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I don't have a good answer for how we get from here to there. Not peacefully anyway. Without an, as we are lead to believe, altruistic group such as Q, I do not see any way to get to what was originally intended without a large amount of violence. Regardless of how it happens, it will not be easy. There are way too many people that are unwilling to think outside their current mindset no matter what.

Voting should require that you are an actual citizen, state issued ID to confirm this will suffice. The federal government's responsibilities include interstate commerce, therefore the federal government can choose recognize whether the state issued ID's meet proper guidelines to allow for interstate travel and commerce, if they do not meet these guidelines the state's ability to participate in federal elections and other programs can be revoked. If for example your state issues ID's to non-residents that would be outside federal guidelines. The minimum age requirement for voting should be no different that the age of majority for all things. If you can join the military, you can vote, just as you should be able to drink or smoke or have sex. Pick an age and stick to it for all things, either you're an adult at 18 or you are not. Whether we choose 16, 18 or 21 really doesn't matter to me, but pick one and stick to it.

Beyond the basic requirement of proving you're a citizen and that you have met age requirements everything else for being qualified to vote is really up to all of us at a local level and not within the scope of what the federal government should be involved with. It will be up to your state and community what you want to do to ensure that everyone who votes understands what a great responsibility it is.

Some of the federal guidelines for valid ID/state elections:

Voting occurs on one designated day, and only one day. ID will be required to vote. Open polls at 12am on designated day and they remain open until 11:59pm that same day. That gives you 24 hours to vote. All paper ballots. Initial count can be electronic, but a second manual hand count to certify the vote is required at local level and again at state level. If that means that results may not be "official" for a week or longer so be it. Chain of custody is required for each and every official ballot printed.

Must vote in person at a designated polling station, period! If you cannot physically make it, you miss out, that's it. Too much possibility for fraud with absentee voting and early voting. For those that are deployed or working away from home (registered voting district), that is the choice you made. It is what it is.

No same day voter registration, if you cannot manage to get registered to vote with two years between major elections then you are not responsible enough to vote.

You must re-register to vote every 4 years. If I have to renew my carry permit (unconstitutional by the way) and DL every few years then we need to do the same for voter registration.

To be issued a state ID you must be able to prove you are a citizen and alive. Voter registration should be linked to state ID since only citizens should be issued ID's If you move to a different state, when you're issued a new ID there should be communication between states to cancel/rescind previous voter/state ID.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Thanks Sol, I feel like at this point if Q does not pull it off, that is getting us back to our original constitutional republic as intended, no one will. The whole violence thing is really frightening, not as cut and dried as back in the civil war. We do not really have north south, we have divisions between neighbors and families based on our politics. How does a armed revolution work when you want to take out politicians who your family supports? The whole thing boggles my mind.

I like your ideas with voting, registration etc. If there was ever to be government via the internet as I envision, I too feel there would need to be both electronic (via internet) and physical ballots that would need to be reconciled.

It will be interesting to see how the Q saga plays out, as the narrative is that they are trying to restore the republic. I hope they succeed because it would have to better then what we currently have. I just have to wonder, is that the best we can do?
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We will know one way or the other by November. If Trump loses and he gives over power then we will know it was larp. If he wins then we wait 4 more years for nothing then it was not larp but a plan to destroy america without firing a single shot.....Im beginning to think its a not a larp but well play cia plot to rule the world. they just destroyed our economy and ruined much or our middle class and so far Trump has not arrested anyone for it. He thinks we care about them spying on his election. I dont give two fucks about that. Not when they kill children and drink their blood and release blood clotting virus's on us.
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Keep note of your vote and talk to others so they know to vote for the right one Trump, that how he got in we the people voted him in, and with the help of God, we were able to get him in. The fight was already foretold, Kim Clement told the story from the words of God to him way before Trump became president. Kim died before Trump became president, he was told about Trump before Trump said he would run for president.

He told about the Judges to the Supreme Court, he told about the try to impeach President Trump, you have to hear it and know he was really saying back then what would happen in the future.

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RR must of just about rubbed all his ball hairs off...I've never seen anyone who spends that much time looking comfortable straddling a fence
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Every year the United States issues:

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—85,000 H1B visas

—100’s of thousands of agriculture visas

RT if we need a full moratorium on ALL visas while more 22 million American citizens are out of work!
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Well, I only skimmed the last 5 pages and blew Right past most of the Fear porn...
I spent my day on a prairie lake in west central Montana, fly fishing for large rainbow trout, watching flocks of snow geese fly by the with the bright sunlit snow covered peaks of the Scapegoat wilderness as a back drop. Fishing was fantastic, We caught over a dozen Trout over 5 pounds each and a few between 1 & 2 pounds, brought one of them home to fillet and deep fry. I had my favorite person, my girl friend of three years (a bernie supporter, who owns a bunch of North Dakota Oil Royalties) yah ... think about that? I also had my springer spaniel along... While enjoying the Big Sky and God's country, God personally told me today that no matter how scary things look, "We Win"

I have no worries other than I hope no one beats me back to my little slice of heaven and my favorite casting rock in the Morning, I'm taking off again at 4:30am
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Hmmm, sounds like your in my neck of the woods, like Nilan reservoir or in that vicinity

Hahaha, I have a close friend whose wife also a huge liberal as is her dad and they own all kinds of guns and have oil royalties in North Dakota...can't wrap my head around that one either.
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I know Nilan well, butt Willow Creek better... I was on the West side of the Divide near Helmville.
In a couple of weeks I mosey on up to Mitten and Duck
sz 16 beadheaded tan scuds are always my go to
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Ok, not as familiar with that side of the divide. I've been so sidetracked the last couple months I haven't even got my license yet, completely missed putting in for tags. Oh well, guess it'll be general hunt this year for me.
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You are very insightful with your thoughts. Nikola Tesla said everything is frequency. I believe the Q team has helped the people to think for themselves, but I think we all need to take it a step further. I think some of us put too much focus on current events instead of focusing on what we want. What if the people unified to create manifestations of what they wanted? So many things in my path have pointed to the people having the power and yet it seems we are watching a screen and waiting for the next move. Recently I have put my focus and thoughts (frequency) into bringing forth events that I wish to see happen. I found a sight that is quite interesting where posts are made and everyone is asked to join in if they choose to help on a particular manifestation or you can post your own. I believe the power is within each and every one of us to make what we want to happen. This is the site if interested:

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That is very kind of you Bluebird, I personally feel there is nothing more powerful than intent in the theta state of consciousness. I myself have managed to manifest certain levels of healing for myself using visualizations (white light for one) and vocalizations during meditations. I am a experiencer of what you have posted and appreciate the link. I do not do facebook but I did recently participate in the 11:11 thread that was posted here this weekend that had the intent of manifesting a better world. I stated in this very thread that I feel that this IS the answer to everything. If we could get the majority of the people on the planet resonating with the intent of loving gratitude...

These are the sort of things I would like to see taught, I always lamented that I never had a proper teacher for the things that interested me. I feel like the corruption of the system has stolen any semblance of real knowledge from our schooling, it is all designed so we become good followers who can regurgitate specific information so we can get a good job (proper slave). The system was corrupted to steal our spiritual power on many levels.
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Well, I only skimmed the last 5 pages and blew Right past most of the Fear porn...
I spent my day on a prairie lake in west central Montana, fly fishing for large rainbow trout, watching flocks of snow geese fly by the with the bright sunlit snow covered peaks of the Scapegoat wilderness as a back drop. Fishing was fantastic, We caught over a dozen Trout over 5 pounds each and a few between 1 & 2 pounds, brought one of them home to fillet and deep fry. I had my favorite person, my girl friend of three years (a bernie supporter, who owns a bunch of North Dakota Oil Royalties) yah ... think about that? I also had my springer spaniel along... While enjoying the Big Sky and God's country, God personally told me today that no matter how scary things look, "We Win"

I have no worries other than I hope no one beats me back to my little slice of heaven and my favorite casting rock in the Morning, I'm taking off again at 4:30am
 Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName


Hmmm, sounds like your in my neck of the woods, like Nilan reservoir or in that vicinity

Hahaha, I have a close friend whose wife also a huge liberal as is her dad and they own all kinds of guns and have oil royalties in North Dakota...can't wrap my head around that one either.
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I know Nilan well, butt Willow Creek better... I was on the West side of the Divide near Helmville.
In a couple of weeks I mosey on up to Mitten and Duck
sz 16 beadheaded tan scuds are always my go to
 Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName


Ok, not as familiar with that side of the divide. I've been so sidetracked the last couple months I haven't even got my license yet, completely missed putting in for tags. Oh well, guess it'll be general hunt this year for me.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


We get our whitetails and an occasional elk around our family cabin in the Seeley Swan, we have a bunch of friends up around Chesterand put in for elk and lopers in the Sweet grass hills every year... Goose, duck and pheasant on some family land that ajoins Nine pipes in the Flathead valley
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I don't have a good answer for how we get from here to there. Not peacefully anyway. Without an, as we are lead to believe, altruistic group such as Q, I do not see any way to get to what was originally intended without a large amount of violence. Regardless of how it happens, it will not be easy. There are way too many people that are unwilling to think outside their current mindset no matter what.

Voting should require that you are an actual citizen, state issued ID to confirm this will suffice. The federal government's responsibilities include interstate commerce, therefore the federal government can choose recognize whether the state issued ID's meet proper guidelines to allow for interstate travel and commerce, if they do not meet these guidelines the state's ability to participate in federal elections and other programs can be revoked. If for example your state issues ID's to non-residents that would be outside federal guidelines. The minimum age requirement for voting should be no different that the age of majority for all things. If you can join the military, you can vote, just as you should be able to drink or smoke or have sex. Pick an age and stick to it for all things, either you're an adult at 18 or you are not. Whether we choose 16, 18 or 21 really doesn't matter to me, but pick one and stick to it.

Beyond the basic requirement of proving you're a citizen and that you have met age requirements everything else for being qualified to vote is really up to all of us at a local level and not within the scope of what the federal government should be involved with. It will be up to your state and community what you want to do to ensure that everyone who votes understands what a great responsibility it is.

Some of the federal guidelines for valid ID/state elections:

Voting occurs on one designated day, and only one day. ID will be required to vote. Open polls at 12am on designated day and they remain open until 11:59pm that same day. That gives you 24 hours to vote. All paper ballots. Initial count can be electronic, but a second manual hand count to certify the vote is required at local level and again at state level. If that means that results may not be "official" for a week or longer so be it. Chain of custody is required for each and every official ballot printed.

Must vote in person at a designated polling station, period! If you cannot physically make it, you miss out, that's it. Too much possibility for fraud with absentee voting and early voting. For those that are deployed or working away from home (registered voting district), that is the choice you made. It is what it is.

No same day voter registration, if you cannot manage to get registered to vote with two years between major elections then you are not responsible enough to vote.

You must re-register to vote every 4 years. If I have to renew my carry permit (unconstitutional by the way) and DL every few years then we need to do the same for voter registration.

To be issued a state ID you must be able to prove you are a citizen and alive. Voter registration should be linked to state ID since only citizens should be issued ID's If you move to a different state, when you're issued a new ID there should be communication between states to cancel/rescind previous voter/state ID.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Thanks Sol, I feel like at this point if Q does not pull it off, that is getting us back to our original constitutional republic as intended, no one will. The whole violence thing is really frightening, not as cut and dried as back in the civil war. We do not really have north south, we have divisions between neighbors and families based on our politics. How does a armed revolution work when you want to take out politicians who your family supports? The whole thing boggles my mind.

I like your ideas with voting, registration etc. If there was ever to be government via the internet as I envision, I too feel there would need to be both electronic (via internet) and physical ballots that would need to be reconciled.

It will be interesting to see how the Q saga plays out, as the narrative is that they are trying to restore the republic. I hope they succeed because it would have to better then what we currently have. I just have to wonder, is that the best we can do?
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You're welcome and I agree about it boggling the mind. When there's no clear enemy and it's a battle of ideals who and how do you fight that? I truly wish I had the answer.

I am also watching to see how things play out. No, I don't think it's the best we can do, but it's a start on the right direction. It took us 100's of years to get here, there is no quick fix. There can be an abrupt change to get us pointed in the right direction but it will take all of us to continue in that direction.
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I don't have a good answer for how we get from here to there. Not peacefully anyway. Without an, as we are lead to believe, altruistic group such as Q, I do not see any way to get to what was originally intended without a large amount of violence. Regardless of how it happens, it will not be easy. There are way too many people that are unwilling to think outside their current mindset no matter what.

Voting should require that you are an actual citizen, state issued ID to confirm this will suffice. The federal government's responsibilities include interstate commerce, therefore the federal government can choose recognize whether the state issued ID's meet proper guidelines to allow for interstate travel and commerce, if they do not meet these guidelines the state's ability to participate in federal elections and other programs can be revoked. If for example your state issues ID's to non-residents that would be outside federal guidelines. The minimum age requirement for voting should be no different that the age of majority for all things. If you can join the military, you can vote, just as you should be able to drink or smoke or have sex. Pick an age and stick to it for all things, either you're an adult at 18 or you are not. Whether we choose 16, 18 or 21 really doesn't matter to me, but pick one and stick to it.

Beyond the basic requirement of proving you're a citizen and that you have met age requirements everything else for being qualified to vote is really up to all of us at a local level and not within the scope of what the federal government should be involved with. It will be up to your state and community what you want to do to ensure that everyone who votes understands what a great responsibility it is.

Some of the federal guidelines for valid ID/state elections:

Voting occurs on one designated day, and only one day. ID will be required to vote. Open polls at 12am on designated day and they remain open until 11:59pm that same day. That gives you 24 hours to vote. All paper ballots. Initial count can be electronic, but a second manual hand count to certify the vote is required at local level and again at state level. If that means that results may not be "official" for a week or longer so be it. Chain of custody is required for each and every official ballot printed.

Must vote in person at a designated polling station, period! If you cannot physically make it, you miss out, that's it. Too much possibility for fraud with absentee voting and early voting. For those that are deployed or working away from home (registered voting district), that is the choice you made. It is what it is.

No same day voter registration, if you cannot manage to get registered to vote with two years between major elections then you are not responsible enough to vote.

You must re-register to vote every 4 years. If I have to renew my carry permit (unconstitutional by the way) and DL every few years then we need to do the same for voter registration.

To be issued a state ID you must be able to prove you are a citizen and alive. Voter registration should be linked to state ID since only citizens should be issued ID's If you move to a different state, when you're issued a new ID there should be communication between states to cancel/rescind previous voter/state ID.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Thanks Sol, I feel like at this point if Q does not pull it off, that is getting us back to our original constitutional republic as intended, no one will. The whole violence thing is really frightening, not as cut and dried as back in the civil war. We do not really have north south, we have divisions between neighbors and families based on our politics. How does a armed revolution work when you want to take out politicians who your family supports? The whole thing boggles my mind.

I like your ideas with voting, registration etc. If there was ever to be government via the internet as I envision, I too feel there would need to be both electronic (via internet) and physical ballots that would need to be reconciled.

It will be interesting to see how the Q saga plays out, as the narrative is that they are trying to restore the republic. I hope they succeed because it would have to better then what we currently have. I just have to wonder, is that the best we can do?
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That divide was there at the start of our republic and it hasn't changed it always been some who are in agreement with the constitution and others who would not know they have freedom if it bites them. Some would rather have a daddy taking care of their needs instead of using their brain and work for what they need. Some come around to liking freedom more when they have to take, then it too late, kind of how they fought in the revolutionary war after it started.

Some live in the mountains and rather not have fought, it was brought to them in a bad way, they didn't fight as the armies did, they taught the military how not to get shot. This new away was more home-style done stand out in the open to get shot, it help win the war believe it or not. It also changed that stupid marching and shooting like gentlemen, well they fought to win not as a person ready to be shot.

I never understood a person standing in a file and the lead shoots and then the next, what kind of nut came up with that way to fight a war? I would not fight in any way people would understand at all. People would disappear as quietly as possible without others knowing it happening at the time, he or she would have just left and not come back.
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I'll say this: I will and am wary of any person or group of people claiming they have a better system to replace our constitutional republic.

IMO it's a fools errand to even attempt such a thing.

Obviously there are problems plaguing our country and it's governance. I think term limits is the best place to start. It's not the only measure to be taken, but hear me out. For that to happen, it will mean a constitutional convention of the states, and for them to vote on an amendment making it so.

This will have a number of immediate impacts. First off, it would be a clear sign from the states that they are tired of being bullied by a small group of powerful people in DC. It will begin the process of getting back to a more limited federal government. It would encourage a shift back to states rights being the foundation of the republic.

It would also shift the focus of the elected officials in DC. It would encourage them to spend their term(s) trying to get things done for their constituents and their state. And a limited time to do so.

It would prevent any one senator or representative from becoming too powerful. It would stop one or two people from controlling committees, from gaining to much influence from lobbyists, etc.

In short, it would be a paradigm shift back to what the founders envisioned and wrote.

You can't govern 350 million people with good intentions and benevolence. Great ideas of a higher morality don't hold up to the realities of life. I mean communism on paper sounds like a great idea. Everything spread evenly between all the people.

But we all know it doesn't work

All this brings me back to why the Constitution is so important, why it is worth fighting and possibly dying for. They put in exactly the tools we need to fix the problems. They knew it wasn't perfect, and couldn't possibly account for all the possible problems.

But it can be amended, and not by "the elites" in DC. That lower rests in the states.

They gave us the 2nd amendment, so that we have a way to ensure that the other amendments are followed, or fight back if they aren't. We don't need a new system, we need to use the system we have to fix the problems caused by corrupt, career politicians that have turned themselves into oligarchs.
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Agree with you mostly. But the part bolded above (last sentence). The "system we have" somehow allowed the "corrupt, career politicians" to take hold.
I don't want to change the system! It is a great system corrupted by evil people. And we all agree that corruption has likely been there almost since inception, but has escalated at ludicrous speed over the last 30 years (or longer). There needs to be a top to bottom audit to close all the corruption loopholes that these "corrupt, career politicians" take full advantage of. These people should not have immunity from anything and shouldn't be able to enrich themselves (due to their "service"), or be above any laws. Their "abuse of power" is currently at absurd levels and we can all see it. And it's so frustrating when "it appears" they never face any repercussions from their corruption.
Some people need to be made examples of, and it needs to be applied consistently every time, all the time. Or else, it (corruption) will reappear over time. Complacency is not your friend. I like the analogy someone made earlier regarding the "weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people, etc." theory. I think there is some truth to that.
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I don't have a good answer for how we get from here to there. Not peacefully anyway. Without an, as we are lead to believe, altruistic group such as Q, I do not see any way to get to what was originally intended without a large amount of violence. Regardless of how it happens, it will not be easy. There are way too many people that are unwilling to think outside their current mindset no matter what.

Voting should require that you are an actual citizen, state issued ID to confirm this will suffice. The federal government's responsibilities include interstate commerce, therefore the federal government can choose recognize whether the state issued ID's meet proper guidelines to allow for interstate travel and commerce, if they do not meet these guidelines the state's ability to participate in federal elections and other programs can be revoked. If for example your state issues ID's to non-residents that would be outside federal guidelines. The minimum age requirement for voting should be no different that the age of majority for all things. If you can join the military, you can vote, just as you should be able to drink or smoke or have sex. Pick an age and stick to it for all things, either you're an adult at 18 or you are not. Whether we choose 16, 18 or 21 really doesn't matter to me, but pick one and stick to it.

Beyond the basic requirement of proving you're a citizen and that you have met age requirements everything else for being qualified to vote is really up to all of us at a local level and not within the scope of what the federal government should be involved with. It will be up to your state and community what you want to do to ensure that everyone who votes understands what a great responsibility it is.

Some of the federal guidelines for valid ID/state elections:

Voting occurs on one designated day, and only one day. ID will be required to vote. Open polls at 12am on designated day and they remain open until 11:59pm that same day. That gives you 24 hours to vote. All paper ballots. Initial count can be electronic, but a second manual hand count to certify the vote is required at local level and again at state level. If that means that results may not be "official" for a week or longer so be it. Chain of custody is required for each and every official ballot printed.

Must vote in person at a designated polling station, period! If you cannot physically make it, you miss out, that's it. Too much possibility for fraud with absentee voting and early voting. For those that are deployed or working away from home (registered voting district), that is the choice you made. It is what it is.

No same day voter registration, if you cannot manage to get registered to vote with two years between major elections then you are not responsible enough to vote.

You must re-register to vote every 4 years. If I have to renew my carry permit (unconstitutional by the way) and DL every few years then we need to do the same for voter registration.

To be issued a state ID you must be able to prove you are a citizen and alive. Voter registration should be linked to state ID since only citizens should be issued ID's If you move to a different state, when you're issued a new ID there should be communication between states to cancel/rescind previous voter/state ID.
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Thanks Sol, I feel like at this point if Q does not pull it off, that is getting us back to our original constitutional republic as intended, no one will. The whole violence thing is really frightening, not as cut and dried as back in the civil war. We do not really have north south, we have divisions between neighbors and families based on our politics. How does a armed revolution work when you want to take out politicians who your family supports? The whole thing boggles my mind.

I like your ideas with voting, registration etc. If there was ever to be government via the internet as I envision, I too feel there would need to be both electronic (via internet) and physical ballots that would need to be reconciled.

It will be interesting to see how the Q saga plays out, as the narrative is that they are trying to restore the republic. I hope they succeed because it would have to better then what we currently have. I just have to wonder, is that the best we can do?
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That divide was there at the start of our republic and it hasn't changed it always been some who are in agreement with the constitution and others who would not know they have freedom if it bites them. Some would rather have a daddy taking care of their needs instead of using their brain and work for what they need. Some come around to liking freedom more when they have to take, then it too late, kind of how they fought in the revolutionary war after it started.

Some live in the mountains and rather not have fought, it was brought to them in a bad way, they didn't fight as the armies did, they taught the military how not to get shot. This new away was more home-style done stand out in the open to get shot, it help win the war believe it or not. It also changed that stupid marching and shooting like gentlemen, well they fought to win not as a person ready to be shot.

I never understood a person standing in a file and the lead shoots and then the next, what kind of nut came up with that way to fight a war? I would not fight in any way people would understand at all. People would disappear as quietly as possible without others knowing it happening at the time, he or she would have just left and not come back.
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I agree fully, an armed America is the Lefts biggest hurdle.
It's not a militia of a Guard unit that scares them, it's the ambush and stalk tactics that every successful Hunter in America has mastered that scares the shit out of the Marxists
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Hmmm, sounds like your in my neck of the woods, like Nilan reservoir or in that vicinity

Hahaha, I have a close friend whose wife also a huge liberal as is her dad and they own all kinds of guns and have oil royalties in North Dakota...can't wrap my head around that one either.
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I know Nilan well, butt Willow Creek better... I was on the West side of the Divide near Helmville.
In a couple of weeks I mosey on up to Mitten and Duck
sz 16 beadheaded tan scuds are always my go to
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Ok, not as familiar with that side of the divide. I've been so sidetracked the last couple months I haven't even got my license yet, completely missed putting in for tags. Oh well, guess it'll be general hunt this year for me.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


We get our whitetails and an occasional elk around our family cabin in the Seeley Swan, we have a bunch of friends up around Chesterand put in for elk and lopers in the Sweet grass hills every year... Goose, duck and pheasant on some family land that ajoins Nine pipes in the Flathead valley
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I normally put in for elk south of Zortman, got skunked last year due to the crazy weather we had early in the season. Got speed goat tags last year for around the family farm outside Fort Benton but weather screwed us there too. Just couldn't get around in all the gumbo. Oh well, that's why they call it hunting and not catching.

Good to see another Montanan here.

Cheers!
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Well, I only skimmed the last 5 pages and blew Right past most of the Fear porn...
I spent my day on a prairie lake in west central Montana, fly fishing for large rainbow trout, watching flocks of snow geese fly by with the bright sunlit snow covered peaks of the Scapegoat wilderness as a back drop. Fishing was fantastic, We caught over a dozen Trout over 5 pounds each and a few between 1 & 2 pounds, brought one of them home to fillet and deep fry. I had my favorite person, my girl friend of three years (a bernie supporter, who owns a bunch of North Dakota Oil Royalties) yah ... think about that? I also had my springer spaniel along... While enjoying the Big Sky and God's country, God personally told me today that no matter how scary things look, "We Win"

I have no worries other than I hope no one beats me back to my little slice of heaven and my favorite casting rock in the Morning, I'm taking off again at 4:30am
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I don't have a good answer for how we get from here to there. Not peacefully anyway. Without an, as we are lead to believe, altruistic group such as Q, I do not see any way to get to what was originally intended without a large amount of violence. Regardless of how it happens, it will not be easy. There are way too many people that are unwilling to think outside their current mindset no matter what.

Voting should require that you are an actual citizen, state issued ID to confirm this will suffice. The federal government's responsibilities include interstate commerce, therefore the federal government can choose recognize whether the state issued ID's meet proper guidelines to allow for interstate travel and commerce, if they do not meet these guidelines the state's ability to participate in federal elections and other programs can be revoked. If for example your state issues ID's to non-residents that would be outside federal guidelines. The minimum age requirement for voting should be no different that the age of majority for all things. If you can join the military, you can vote, just as you should be able to drink or smoke or have sex. Pick an age and stick to it for all things, either you're an adult at 18 or you are not. Whether we choose 16, 18 or 21 really doesn't matter to me, but pick one and stick to it.

Beyond the basic requirement of proving you're a citizen and that you have met age requirements everything else for being qualified to vote is really up to all of us at a local level and not within the scope of what the federal government should be involved with. It will be up to your state and community what you want to do to ensure that everyone who votes understands what a great responsibility it is.

Some of the federal guidelines for valid ID/state elections:

Voting occurs on one designated day, and only one day. ID will be required to vote. Open polls at 12am on designated day and they remain open until 11:59pm that same day. That gives you 24 hours to vote. All paper ballots. Initial count can be electronic, but a second manual hand count to certify the vote is required at local level and again at state level. If that means that results may not be "official" for a week or longer so be it. Chain of custody is required for each and every official ballot printed.

Must vote in person at a designated polling station, period! If you cannot physically make it, you miss out, that's it. Too much possibility for fraud with absentee voting and early voting. For those that are deployed or working away from home (registered voting district), that is the choice you made. It is what it is.

No same day voter registration, if you cannot manage to get registered to vote with two years between major elections then you are not responsible enough to vote.

You must re-register to vote every 4 years. If I have to renew my carry permit (unconstitutional by the way) and DL every few years then we need to do the same for voter registration.

To be issued a state ID you must be able to prove you are a citizen and alive. Voter registration should be linked to state ID since only citizens should be issued ID's If you move to a different state, when you're issued a new ID there should be communication between states to cancel/rescind previous voter/state ID.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Thanks Sol, I feel like at this point if Q does not pull it off, that is getting us back to our original constitutional republic as intended, no one will. The whole violence thing is really frightening, not as cut and dried as back in the civil war. We do not really have north south, we have divisions between neighbors and families based on our politics. How does a armed revolution work when you want to take out politicians who your family supports? The whole thing boggles my mind.

I like your ideas with voting, registration etc. If there was ever to be government via the internet as I envision, I too feel there would need to be both electronic (via internet) and physical ballots that would need to be reconciled.

It will be interesting to see how the Q saga plays out, as the narrative is that they are trying to restore the republic. I hope they succeed because it would have to better then what we currently have. I just have to wonder, is that the best we can do?
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That divide was there at the start of our republic and it hasn't changed it always been some who are in agreement with the constitution and others who would not know they have freedom if it bites them. Some would rather have a daddy taking care of their needs instead of using their brain and work for what they need. Some come around to liking freedom more when they have to take, then it too late, kind of how they fought in the revolutionary war after it started.

Some live in the mountains and rather not have fought, it was brought to them in a bad way, they didn't fight as the armies did, they taught the military how not to get shot. This new away was more home-style done stand out in the open to get shot, it help win the war believe it or not. It also changed that stupid marching and shooting like gentlemen, well they fought to win not as a person ready to be shot.

I never understood a person standing in a file and the lead shoots and then the next, what kind of nut came up with that way to fight a war? I would not fight in any way people would understand at all. People would disappear as quietly as possible without others knowing it happening at the time, he or she would have just left and not come back.
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I agree fully, an armed America is the Lefts biggest hurdle.
It's not a militia of a Guard unit that scares them, it's the ambush and stalk tactics that every successful Hunter in America has mastered that scares the shit out of the Marxists
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Agreed
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I know Nilan well, butt Willow Creek better... I was on the West side of the Divide near Helmville.
In a couple of weeks I mosey on up to Mitten and Duck
sz 16 beadheaded tan scuds are always my go to
 Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName


Ok, not as familiar with that side of the divide. I've been so sidetracked the last couple months I haven't even got my license yet, completely missed putting in for tags. Oh well, guess it'll be general hunt this year for me.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


We get our whitetails and an occasional elk around our family cabin in the Seeley Swan, we have a bunch of friends up around Chesterand put in for elk and lopers in the Sweet grass hills every year... Goose, duck and pheasant on some family land that ajoins Nine pipes in the Flathead valley
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I normally put in for elk south of Zortman, got skunked last year due to the crazy weather we had early in the season. Got speed goat tags last year for around the family farm outside Fort Benton but weather screwed us there too. Just couldn't get around in all the gumbo. Oh well, that's why they call it hunting and not catching.

Good to see another Montanan here.

Cheers!
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I was in a Frat in Blowsman with a ton of Fort Benton guys in the late 70's early 80's and I ran a Welding Supply Company in GF in the second half of the 80's, spent quite a few evenings strolling from one Benton bar to the next, we may have easily crossed paths?
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Ok, not as familiar with that side of the divide. I've been so sidetracked the last couple months I haven't even got my license yet, completely missed putting in for tags. Oh well, guess it'll be general hunt this year for me.
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We get our whitetails and an occasional elk around our family cabin in the Seeley Swan, we have a bunch of friends up around Chesterand put in for elk and lopers in the Sweet grass hills every year... Goose, duck and pheasant on some family land that ajoins Nine pipes in the Flathead valley
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I normally put in for elk south of Zortman, got skunked last year due to the crazy weather we had early in the season. Got speed goat tags last year for around the family farm outside Fort Benton but weather screwed us there too. Just couldn't get around in all the gumbo. Oh well, that's why they call it hunting and not catching.

Good to see another Montanan here.

Cheers!
 Quoting: Sol Neman


I was in a Frat in Blowsman with a ton of Fort Benton guys in the late 70's early 80's and I ran a Welding Supply Company in GF in the second half of the 80's, spent quite a few evenings strolling from one Benton bar to the next, we may have easily crossed paths?
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We may know some of the same people, but that's a little before my time. I couldn't legally bar hop until early 2000's...
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We get our whitetails and an occasional elk around our family cabin in the Seeley Swan, we have a bunch of friends up around Chesterand put in for elk and lopers in the Sweet grass hills every year... Goose, duck and pheasant on some family land that ajoins Nine pipes in the Flathead valley
 Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName


I normally put in for elk south of Zortman, got skunked last year due to the crazy weather we had early in the season. Got speed goat tags last year for around the family farm outside Fort Benton but weather screwed us there too. Just couldn't get around in all the gumbo. Oh well, that's why they call it hunting and not catching.

Good to see another Montanan here.

Cheers!
 Quoting: Sol Neman


I was in a Frat in Blowsman with a ton of Fort Benton guys in the late 70's early 80's and I ran a Welding Supply Company in GF in the second half of the 80's, spent quite a few evenings strolling from one Benton bar to the next, we may have easily crossed paths?
 Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName


We may know some of the same people, but that's a little before my time. I couldn't legally bar hop until early 2000's...
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Yep.... I'd know some of your dad's friends and you'd most likely know a bunch of my boys buddies
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If they do they are truly insane, the internet of things is the easiest to get rid of, this means physically get rid of, totally demolish their whole tie in. You can not control what is totally out of commission and if they start it, there is nothing to lose to take it out. There is good a reason no one really wants what they are selling except, for deluded people, and that would be fools. To be that way you do not understand what a real fool is and the true means. I going to give it to you, it mean they do not believe in the Lord God nor his Son Jesus, that the true meaning, that why I never call a person a fool, only actions make people fools and their mouths because it not what goes into your stomach, it what come into your brain and out of your mouth.
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Is not China currently using the internet to control their citizens? They are using some sort of score, I forget what its called, to determine things you can and cant do? I thought I have heard that is something the 'ds' is pushing for, a similar system for the US, that China is basically the example of where they would like to get to as far as their ruling over us.

If this is the case, I assume you are claiming the white hats would be the ones who could easily destroy the internet control? I suppose so if there are actually white hats, which to some degree I am sure there are. I want to believe in Q, much of it looks good but if it has negative intentions, it would look good.

I am not a religious person, I had enough of people telling me what I should believe. I feel there is a God however I may not agree with people on exactly what God is. I feel Jesus is the example we should all aspire to, everything else is just noise. I try to keep it simple and not push my views on anyone else while respecting others. If that makes me a fool, it would not be the first or last time I considered myself such.

I hope everything you believe in is truth and it works out exactly as you expect.
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Another chatty one...
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RR must of just about rubbed all his ball hairs off...I've never seen anyone who spends that much time looking comfortable straddling a fence
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Another chatty one...
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RR must of just about rubbed all his ball hairs off...I've never seen anyone who spends that much time looking comfortable straddling a fence
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I think he fell off that fence and into the swamp years ago. He may be trying to pull himself out, but he hired and protected the Mueller BS investigation. He Reminds me of "Dr. Smith" from "lost in space"...only out to protect himself anyway possible. Wouldn't doubt if he has been turned by every side multiple times.

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I normally put in for elk south of Zortman, got skunked last year due to the crazy weather we had early in the season. Got speed goat tags last year for around the family farm outside Fort Benton but weather screwed us there too. Just couldn't get around in all the gumbo. Oh well, that's why they call it hunting and not catching.

Good to see another Montanan here.

Cheers!
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I was in a Frat in Blowsman with a ton of Fort Benton guys in the late 70's early 80's and I ran a Welding Supply Company in GF in the second half of the 80's, spent quite a few evenings strolling from one Benton bar to the next, we may have easily crossed paths?
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We may know some of the same people, but that's a little before my time. I couldn't legally bar hop until early 2000's...
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Yep.... I'd know some of your dad's friends and you'd most likely know a bunch of my boys buddies
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Probably so. I grew up in Havre though most the family is from Fort Benton and Great Falls.
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I'll say this: I will and am wary of any person or group of people claiming they have a better system to replace our constitutional republic.

IMO it's a fools errand to even attempt such a thing.

Obviously there are problems plaguing our country and it's governance. I think term limits is the best place to start. It's not the only measure to be taken, but hear me out. For that to happen, it will mean a constitutional convention of the states, and for them to vote on an amendment making it so.

This will have a number of immediate impacts. First off, it would be a clear sign from the states that they are tired of being bullied by a small group of powerful people in DC. It will begin the process of getting back to a more limited federal government. It would encourage a shift back to states rights being the foundation of the republic.

It would also shift the focus of the elected officials in DC. It would encourage them to spend their term(s) trying to get things done for their constituents and their state. And a limited time to do so.

It would prevent any one senator or representative from becoming too powerful. It would stop one or two people from controlling committees, from gaining to much influence from lobbyists, etc.

In short, it would be a paradigm shift back to what the founders envisioned and wrote.

You can't govern 350 million people with good intentions and benevolence. Great ideas of a higher morality don't hold up to the realities of life. I mean communism on paper sounds like a great idea. Everything spread evenly between all the people.

But we all know it doesn't work

All this brings me back to why the Constitution is so important, why it is worth fighting and possibly dying for. They put in exactly the tools we need to fix the problems. They knew it wasn't perfect, and couldn't possibly account for all the possible problems.

But it can be amended, and not by "the elites" in DC. That lower rests in the states.

They gave us the 2nd amendment, so that we have a way to ensure that the other amendments are followed, or fight back if they aren't. We don't need a new system, we need to use the system we have to fix the problems caused by corrupt, career politicians that have turned themselves into oligarchs.
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Agree with you mostly. But the part bolded above (last sentence). The "system we have" somehow allowed the "corrupt, career politicians" to take hold.
I don't want to change the system! It is a great system corrupted by evil people. And we all agree that corruption has likely been there almost since inception, but has escalated at ludicrous speed over the last 30 years (or longer). There needs to be a top to bottom audit to close all the corruption loopholes that these "corrupt, career politicians" take full advantage of. These people should not have immunity from anything and shouldn't be able to enrich themselves (due to their "service"), or be above any laws. Their "abuse of power" is currently at absurd levels and we can all see it. And it's so frustrating when "it appears" they never face any repercussions from their corruption.
Some people need to be made examples of, and it needs to be applied consistently every time, all the time. Or else, it (corruption) will reappear over time. Complacency is not your friend. I like the analogy someone made earlier regarding the "weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people, etc." theory. I think there is some truth to that.
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I agree with this completely. I was replying to the AC who wants a better benevolent system where people agree through the internet or something like that.

That was me who quoted that Maxim about tough times. Something I came across a couple years ago and have found a lot of Truth in it.

I think I got hung up on "the system allowed it" because it didn't "allow it". The checks and balances are to prevent this very thing. But if the people doing the checking are on the same team as the people they are checking, well of course it isn't going to work.

Just like the media. We are supposed to have a free media that published the facts and news. What we have is most media is controlled by 6 companies who publish their opinions and biases and propaganda while selling it as news.

That doesn't mean the idea of a free press is a bad system.
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We may know some of the same people, but that's a little before my time. I couldn't legally bar hop until early 2000's...
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Yep.... I'd know some of your dad's friends and you'd most likely know a bunch of my boys buddies
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Probably so. I grew up in Havre though most the family is from Fort Benton and Great Falls.
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holy shit!! i know folks from all 3 of those places!!!! small freakin world....huh, Big D!!?? lololol
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Right, I was just gonna say Big D needs to be in here. We've known each other for awhile now.
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We will know one way or the other by November. If Trump loses and he gives over power then we will know it was larp. If he wins then we wait 4 more years for nothing then it was not larp but a plan to destroy america without firing a single shot.....Im beginning to think its a not a larp but well play cia plot to rule the world. they just destroyed our economy and ruined much or our middle class and so far Trump has not arrested anyone for it. He thinks we care about them spying on his election. I dont give two fucks about that. Not when they kill children and drink their blood and release blood clotting virus's on us.
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You said it friend..... and so have many others.

Here's a question for ya... At what point does putting off the arrest of murderers and rapists and pedovores not become a crime all by itself, once their crimes are known?

Simple Question, really is.

edit to add some more words..lol...

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I was in a Frat in Blowsman with a ton of Fort Benton guys in the late 70's early 80's and I ran a Welding Supply Company in GF in the second half of the 80's, spent quite a few evenings strolling from one Benton bar to the next, we may have easily crossed paths?
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We may know some of the same people, but that's a little before my time. I couldn't legally bar hop until early 2000's...
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Yep.... I'd know some of your dad's friends and you'd most likely know a bunch of my boys buddies
 Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName


Probably so. I grew up in Havre though most the family is from Fort Benton and Great Falls.
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Lived in great falls for 4 years. Love montana
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We will know one way or the other by November. If Trump loses and he gives over power then we will know it was larp. If he wins then we wait 4 more years for nothing then it was not larp but a plan to destroy america without firing a single shot.....Im beginning to think its a not a larp but well play cia plot to rule the world. they just destroyed our economy and ruined much or our middle class and so far Trump has not arrested anyone for it. He thinks we care about them spying on his election. I dont give two fucks about that. Not when they kill children and drink their blood and release blood clotting virus's on us.
 Quoting: bcjams


You said it friend..... and so have many others.

Here's a question for ya... At what point does putting off the arrest of murderers and rapists and pedovores not become a crime all by itself, once their crimes are known?

Simple Question, really is.

edit to add some more words..lol...
 Quoting: deplorable scottfree


I agree.
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holy shit!! i know folks from all 3 of those places!!!! small freakin world....huh, Big D!!?? lololol
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Montana is a Huge state that thankfully lacks much of a population, any where I go in God's Country I meet people who are acquainted with others we both know... and I've lived in Florida as a beer salesman in the early 80's and Alaska as a deep sea fisherman in the early nineties and I still found people who knew people I knew.

We are all relatives in several degree's

"Say the average person has three children - higher than today, but a conservative assumption historically.
Then, you have 2 siblings.
You have 4 aunts/uncles, therefore 12 first cousins.
You have 8 great aunts/uncles therefore 24 first cousins once removed, therefore 72 second cousins.
You have 16 great great aunts/uncles, therefore 48 first cousins twice removed, therefore 144 second cousins once removed, therefore 432 third cousins.
So, for number of nth cousins, it is 2^(nspam3^n. (To change average number of children, just change the 3 in this formula.)
So for 6th cousins, that is 93,312.
For 11th cousins, that is 725,594,112. (And remember that going back 11 generations, 3 children per couple would be a small family, so it's probably a lot higher than that.)

You also have about 1/160000000th of your genes in common as a result of that relation. (Although you would actually have far more than that, obviously.)

In other words, that degree of relatedness is meaningless. You and I are probably 11th cousins many times over.

As for the probability of each, that would be a lot more complicated to figure out, and have to take into account size of populations, degree of interbreeding, etc. All you can really say about the probability is that it's "a lot higher than you would expect."

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