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| Dr Kynes User ID: 192414  United States04/28/2007 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Israelites (apart from Benjamine's tribe) lost 22000 men fighting the evil tribesman of benjamine that protected these rapists. They then prevailed and destroyed all the towns of benjamine even killing the animals in their territories. Judges 20 Israelites Fight the Benjamites 1 Then all the Israelites from Dan to Beersheba and from the land of Gilead came out as one man and assembled before the LORD in Mizpah. 2 The leaders of all the people of the tribes of Israel took their places in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand soldiers armed with swords. 3 (The Benjamites heard that the Israelites had gone up to Mizpah.) Then the Israelites said, "Tell us how this awful thing happened." 4 So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, "I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night. 5 During the night the men of Gibeah came after me and surrounded the house, intending to kill me. They raped my concubine, and she died. 6 I took my concubine, cut her into pieces and sent one piece to each region of Israel's inheritance, because they committed this lewd and disgraceful act in Israel. 7 Now, all you Israelites, speak up and give your verdict." 8 All the people rose as one man, saying, "None of us will go home. No, not one of us will return to his house. 9 But now this is what we'll do to Gibeah: We'll go up against it as the lot directs. 10 We'll take ten men out of every hundred from all the tribes of Israel, and a hundred from a thousand, and a thousand from ten thousand, to get provisions for the army. Then, when the army arrives at Gibeah [a] in Benjamin, it can give them what they deserve for all this vileness done in Israel." 11 So all the men of Israel got together and united as one man against the city. 12 The tribes of Israel sent men throughout the tribe of Benjamin, saying, "What about this awful crime that was committed among you? 13 Now surrender those wicked men of Gibeah so that we may put them to death and purge the evil from Israel." But the Benjamites would not listen to their fellow Israelites. 14 From their towns they came together at Gibeah to fight against the Israelites. 15 At once the Benjamites mobilized twenty-six thousand swordsmen from their towns, in addition to seven hundred chosen men from those living in Gibeah. 16 Among all these soldiers there were seven hundred chosen men who were left-handed, each of whom could sling a stone at a hair and not miss. 17 Israel, apart from Benjamin, mustered four hundred thousand swordsmen, all of them fighting men. 18 The Israelites went up to Bethel and inquired of God. They said, "Who of us shall go first to fight against the Benjamites?" The LORD replied, "Judah shall go first." 19 The next morning the Israelites got up and pitched camp near Gibeah. 20 The men of Israel went out to fight the Benjamites and took up battle positions against them at Gibeah. 21 The Benjamites came out of Gibeah and cut down twenty-two thousand Israelites on the battlefield that day. 22 But the men of Israel encouraged one another and again took up their positions where they had stationed themselves the first day. 23 The Israelites went up and wept before the LORD until evening, and they inquired of the LORD. They said, "Shall we go up again to battle against the Benjamites, our brothers?" The LORD answered, "Go up against them." 24 Then the Israelites drew near to Benjamin the second day. 25 This time, when the Benjamites came out from Gibeah to oppose them, they cut down another eighteen thousand Israelites, all of them armed with swords. 26 Then the Israelites, all the people, went up to Bethel, and there they sat weeping before the LORD. They fasted that day until evening and presented burnt offerings and fellowship offerings [c] to the LORD. 27 And the Israelites inquired of the LORD. (In those days the ark of the covenant of God was there, 28 with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, ministering before it.) They asked, "Shall we go up again to battle with Benjamin our brother, or not?" The LORD responded, "Go, for tomorrow I will give them into your hands." 29 Then Israel set an ambush around Gibeah. 30 They went up against the Benjamites on the third day and took up positions against Gibeah as they had done before. 31 The Benjamites came out to meet them and were drawn away from the city. They began to inflict casualties on the Israelites as before, so that about thirty men fell in the open field and on the roads—the one leading to Bethel and the other to Gibeah. 32 While the Benjamites were saying, "We are defeating them as before," the Israelites were saying, "Let's retreat and draw them away from the city to the roads." 33 All the men of Israel moved from their places and took up positions at Baal Tamar, and the Israelite ambush charged out of its place on the west [d] of Gibeah. [e] 34 Then ten thousand of Israel's finest men made a frontal attack on Gibeah. The fighting was so heavy that the Benjamites did not realize how near disaster was. 35 The LORD defeated Benjamin before Israel, and on that day the Israelites struck down 25,100 Benjamites, all armed with swords. 36 Then the Benjamites saw that they were beaten. Now the men of Israel had given way before Benjamin, because they relied on the ambush they had set near Gibeah. 37 The men who had been in ambush made a sudden dash into Gibeah, spread out and put the whole city to the sword. 38 The men of Israel had arranged with the ambush that they should send up a great cloud of smoke from the city, 39 and then the men of Israel would turn in the battle. The Benjamites had begun to inflict casualties on the men of Israel (about thirty), and they said, "We are defeating them as in the first battle." 40 But when the column of smoke began to rise from the city, the Benjamites turned and saw the smoke of the whole city going up into the sky. 41 Then the men of Israel turned on them, and the men of Benjamin were terrified, because they realized that disaster had come upon them. 42 So they fled before the Israelites in the direction of the desert, but they could not escape the battle. And the men of Israel who came out of the towns cut them down there. 43 They surrounded the Benjamites, chased them and easily [f] overran them in the vicinity of Gibeah on the east. 44 Eighteen thousand Benjamites fell, all of them valiant fighters. 45 As they turned and fled toward the desert to the rock of Rimmon, the Israelites cut down five thousand men along the roads. They kept pressing after the Benjamites as far as Gidom and struck down two thousand more. 46 On that day twenty-five thousand Benjamite swordsmen fell, all of them valiant fighters. 47 But six hundred men turned and fled into the desert to the rock of Rimmon, where they stayed four months. 48 The men of Israel went back to Benjamin and put all the towns to the sword, including the animals and everything else they found. All the towns they came across they set on fire. |
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User ID: 184064 United States04/28/2007 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had read this story in the Bible many times and as always, it upset me greatly that GOD had caused (in mind, at the time) this to happen. This particular time, I was brought very low with this woman’s suffering and pain, and as I sat with the open Bible in my hand, I began to pray. Quoting: CountryI asked GOD “WHY? Why do you dislike women so much? I know Eve sinned in the Garden but so did Adam. Why are we to be treated as less than animals? Why did you do this to this girl?” I was very upset – to the point of tears, and as I prayed, I quickly received the answer to my question, “Why?” It was very simple and to the point, “I DIDN’T – THEY DID.” I felt HIS holy spirit within me and my mind was filled with ‘light’ and then I understood something I never seen before – The Bible is made up of accounts of things that happened – and these things were not necessarily the will of GOD. But were many times, the actions of “MAN”. God has more moral fiber in his little finger than we have collectively, as a people. And if it is wrong to us, it is wrong to HIM also. But HE gave us all freewill, and unfortunately, mankind uses that freewill to do despicable things sometimes. And even have the nerve to say it is in GOD’S name. The man in this story used his freewill, and cost a young woman her life and he (her husband) went down in history as a sniveling, evil little coward. I am going to write some of this account in story form for brevity. The Levite’s Concubine: Judges 19 and 20 There is a young woman known only in the Bible as the Levite’s concubine. After she had been with him for a time, she left him and went back to her father’s house for four months. But her husband went to get her. Jdg 19:3 And her husband arose, and went to speak friendly unto her, and to bring her again, and she brought him into her father's house: Upon arriving at his father-in-law’s home, the man was greeted happily by both his wife and her father. And he stayed there enjoying his host’s hospitality for several days, before leaving for home. On the fifth day, in the evening, they departed. Jdg 19:11 And when they were by Jebus, the day was spent; and the servant said unto his master, Let us turn in into this city of the Jebusites, and lodge in it. Jdg 19:12 And his master said, We will not turn into the city of a stranger, they are not of the children of Israel; Jdg 19:13 And he said unto his servant, Let us draw near to one of these places to lodge all night, in Gibeah, or in Ramah. Upon arriving in Gibeah, a city of the tribe of Benjamin, they could find no lodging, and was waiting in the street when a man coming in from the fields saw them and asked. “Where are you from –and where are you going?’ The Levite explained that they could find no place to lodge for the night and as it was very dangerous in the streets at night, the man offered them lodging at his home. – Which they accepted. “The men of the city, a perverse lot, surrounded the house, and started pounding on the door. They said to the old man, the master of the house, 'Bring out the men who came into your house so that we may ‘know’ (sexually) them. And the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, 'No, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Since this man is my guest, do not do this vile thing. Here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do whatever you want to them; but against this man do not do such a vile thing.” Nothing in God's laws made this man's offer acceptable. Just because someone in the Bible does a thing, does not make it right. This man's actions violated God's laws and God's plan. Instead of protecting the weak as God calls us to, this man offered the weakest of these up to the wolves. “Judges 19:25: But the men would not listen to him. So the man (the Levite) seized his concubine, and shoved her out the door to them. They raped her, and abused her all through the night until the morning. And as the dawn began to break, they let her go.” Because of the Levite's actions, this woman was thrust out the door to be gang raped. Her screams of pain and fear must have echoed through the night, while her husband who the day before had "spoken tenderly" to her, sat safe inside. “Judges 19:26: As morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man's house where her master was, until it was light.” After the men had finished with her, she made it to the door of the house. There she collapsed. There she stayed, alone in the dark until dawn. “Judges 19:27: In the morning her master got up, opened the doors of the house, and when he went out to go on his way, there was his concubine lying at the door of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 'Get up,' he said to her, 'we are going.' But there was no answer. Then he put her on the donkey; and the man set out for his home.” Where before he offered tender words to allay her anger, in her moment of darkness he offers only curt commands. Instead of attending her wounds or offering comfort, he merely puts her on his donkey and heads home. What a jerk he was. “Judges 19:29: When he had entered his house, he took a knife, and grasping his concubine he cut her into twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel.” If you read back through this passage, you will notice some information is missing. When did this young lady die? Did she die alone in the dark? Or while slung over the donkey's back? Or worse, when her husband took his knife to her? The Bible doesn't answer that question, but in my opinion he killed her. It is more likely, that he killed her, as he did not want ‘damaged’ goods. This is not all the story, but it is the part I wanted to relate about the woman. To get the rest of the story read Judges chapter 20. What took you so long to figutre this all out, are you a blonde?  Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Dr_kynes User ID: 192414 United States04/28/2007 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When militant gays want to rape strangers and will also rape anything presented to them. God's judgement is not far off. With the vatican controlled satanic politicians in the US today and the "gay friendly" hate laws they are trying to pass...how long do you think it will be after that that militant gays won't try to do the same sort of things in america ? |
| wing-ed
User ID: 152412 United States04/28/2007 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good ! |
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(OP) User ID: 229715 United States04/28/2007 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Praise The Holy Of Holy::Hello Country,don't feel so bad I have always taken it that the men of the city killed her! When the husband spoke to her she made no sound. She was limp as he place her on the ass[donkey] Later when he told the story that they would have slain him but it was she that is dead!! That says's to me the ones that would have slain him were the killers!!::Jdg 20:5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and beset the house round about upon me by night, and thought to have slain me: and my concubine have they forced, that she is dead. Quoting: wing-edYes, Winged but he left out the part about how he was the one that shoved her out the door to them. I think he was lying - trying to cover for the terrible thing he had done. A man that will not fight for his family (wife) is lower than low. IMO. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
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User ID: 152412 United States04/28/2007 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Praise The Holy Of Holy :: The story starts out showing the husband as hounoring her by taking her back after::Jdg 19:2 And his concubine played the whore against him, and went away from him unto her father's house to Bethlehemjudah, and was there four whole months. :::: Then when you read the things that happened at the old mans house it says the man , the master of the house offered the daughter and the concubine !!!Then it says's the man gave her to them [but you don't know which man the husband or the master} it could be the master of the house was king of the castle and made all the decisions!!!They we both referred to as the man!!Jdg 19:23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. Jdg 19:24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. Jdg 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, :: praise The Lamb: Amen Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good ! |
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(OP) User ID: 229731 India04/28/2007 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Praise The Holy Of Holy :: The story starts out showing the husband as hounoring her by taking her back after::Jdg 19:2 And his concubine played the whore against him, and went away from him unto her father's house to Bethlehemjudah, and was there four whole months. :::: Then when you read the things that happened at the old mans house it says the man , the master of the house offered the daughter and the concubine !!!Then it says's the man gave her to them [but you don't know which man the husband or the master} it could be the master of the house was king of the castle and made all the decisions!!!They we both referred to as the man!!Jdg 19:23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. Quoting: wing-edJdg 19:24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. Jdg 19:25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, :: praise The Lamb: Amen Who ever it was (I still think it was the Levite) - the Levite still knew. He was accountable. What kind of man would allow that? Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
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(OP) User ID: 229731 India04/28/2007 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really, though the whole point of my post was to try to show that all bad things that happened in the Bible were not of GOD'S will. Not how bad men are. LOL But how how bad some of them can be. And one should not blame GOD for their sinful nature. I see many posters on this forum blaming GOD for all the bad things that happen. And it is just not true. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
| Sir_Chancealot
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(OP) User ID: 229731 India04/28/2007 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...A man that will not fight for his family (wife) is lower than low. IMO. Quoting: Sir_ChancealotTry finding a woman who will fight for her family. Are you saying (assuming you have one) that you would not fight for your family? I would and I am a woman. Just try to mess with a woman's children and see how fast she will fight. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
| czygyny User ID: 229736 United States04/28/2007 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What took you so long to figutre this all out, are you a blonde? Quoting: Highlander_----------------- Ephesians 5:1-4 ‘Become, then, imitators of Elohim as beloved children. And walk in love, as Messiah also has loved us, and gave Himself for us, a gift and an offering to Elohim for a sweet-smelling fragrance. But whoring and all uncleaness, or or greed of gain, let it not even be named among you, as is proper among set-apart (holy) ones, neither filthiness, nor FOOLISH TALKING, nor COARSE JESTING, which is NOT FITTING, but rather thanksgiving.’ ----------------- Praise God that this believer HAS found understanding. May more be given to her as she continues searching out the secrets of Elohim. For a woman, it is very difficult to move past some of the denigrating things we find in scripture. The OP has come upon an important truth that escapes many---the account of what men do in scripture is not necessarily condoned by God, and if fact there is a whole lot of disobedience going on. Your 'joke' has no place here, Highlander. |
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(OP) User ID: 229731 India04/28/2007 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Praise God that this believer HAS found understanding. May more be given to her as she continues searching out the secrets of Elohim." Yes, this was about 12 years ago when that happened and He has shown me many things. So many things, that sometimes I can barely contain myself from shouting them out to the world. But I think it is not time yet. Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Here in America - in GOD we still trust... Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet! Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
| ButchHowdy
User ID: 216592 United States04/28/2007 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sure there is a 'grace' parallel to the event. Lot offered his daughters to the men of Sodom but the men of Sodom wanted to 'know' the 'angelic messengers' instead. The story of Hosea and his harlot wife Gomer was a picture of how Israel also went a'whoring but how God graciously took them back and cleaned them up time after time. As to man's free will, man cannot have free will and God be sovereign at the same time. One or the other. |
| wing-ed
User ID: 152412 United States04/28/2007 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...A man that will not fight for his family (wife) is lower than low. IMO. Quoting: CountryTry finding a woman who will fight for her family. Are you saying (assuming you have one) that you would not fight for your family? I would and I am a woman. Just try to mess with a woman's children and see how fast she will fight. Praise The Holy Of Holy ::The husband brought his people to settle the matter::Jdg 20:48 And the men of Israel turned again upon the children of Benjamin, and smote them with the edge of the sword, as well the men of every city, as the beast, and all that came to hand: also they set on fire all the cities that they came to. Praise the Lamb: Amen Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good ! |
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| ButchHowdy
User ID: 216592 United States04/28/2007 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible is a book of lessons. If you break the commandments your life will be unstable. If you live by the laws you will have a calm and prosperous life....unless you have some demon on your lines....then life can be complicated. Quoting: ladyinabag 229739Only Jesus was able to flawlessly live by the law. God set the 'law bar' so high to prove that man needed a Savior. Jesus said we would have tribulation. Even His elect live lives far from calm and man's perception of 'prosperous', |
| czygyny User ID: 229736 United States04/28/2007 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible is a book of lessons. If you break the commandments your life will be unstable. If you live by the laws you will have a calm and prosperous life....unless you have some demon on your lines....then life can be complicated. Quoting: ladyinabag 229739WHOA there...click only ONCE! LOL As far as generational demons, even they must flee from God. When you recognize them working in your life, bring it before the Throne, rid yourself of all behavior that gives them a legal 'foot-in-the-door' in your life, then you will be protected from them. But, even if you keep His commandments, you will still have persecution in this world, because the world hated Him first. |
| wing-ed
User ID: 152412 United States04/28/2007 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bible is a book of lessons. If you break the commandments your life will be unstable. If you live by the laws you will have a calm and prosperous life....unless you have some demon on your lines....then life can be complicated. Quoting: ladyinabag 229739Praise The Holy Of Holy :: The bible is The Holy Of Holy's divine inspirational correspondence to his children!! He offers the old laws to bring you directly to him and he offers his only begotten son Jesus to save those who fallow him!!Praise The Lamb: Amen Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good ! |
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