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User ID: 76391582 Brazil 03/24/2018 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? Have you ever woke up after having some weird nightmare, where you indulged in irrational sinful actions, only to think, "why the hell did i do that?". Well, Plato might shed some light on those involuntary sins. In Plato's Republic, Socrates says that there are in every man, unlawful pleasures and appetites that bestir themselves in sleep when, "during the slumbers of that other part of the soul, which is rational and tamed and master of the former, the wild animal part, sated with meat or drink, becomes rampant, and, pushing sleep away, endeavours to set out after the gratification of its own proper character.". He continues saying, "in such moments there is nothing that it dares not do, released and delivered as it is from any sense of shame and reflection. It does not shrink from attempting in fancy unholy intercourse with a mother, or with any man or deity or animal whatever ; and it does not hesitate to commit the foulest murder, or to indulge itself in the most defiling meats. In one word, there is no limit either to its folly or its audacity." Those who remember their dreams well know the truth in this statement. However, he quickly gives a remedy to this folly, stating as follows: "But, I imagine, whenever a man’s personal habit is healthful and temperate, and when before betaking himself to rest, he has stimulated the rational part of him, and feasted it on beautiful discussions and high inquiries, by means of close and inward reflection; while, on the other hand, he has neither stinted nor gorged the appetitive part, in order that it may sleep, instead of troubling with its joys or its griefs that highest part, which may thus be permitted to pursue its studies in purity and independence, and to strain forward till it perceives something till then unknown, either past, present, or future ; and when, in like manner, he has calmed the spirited element by avoiding every hurst of passion, which would send him to sleep with his spirit stirred, when, I say, he proceeds to rest, with two elements out of the three quieted, and the third, wherein wisdom resides, aroused, you are aware that, at such moments, he is best able to apprehend truth, and that the visions, which present themselves in his dreams, are then anything but unlawful." Last Edited by AllisOneisAll on 03/24/2018 03:16 PM"Knock, and He'll open the door. Vanish, and He'll make you shine like the sun. Fall, and He'll raise you to the heavens. Become nothing, and He'll turn you into everything." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74197478 United States 03/24/2018 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? That's great! Got a link to that? |
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User ID: 76391582 Brazil 03/24/2018 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? That's great! Got a link to that?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74197478 [ link to ia601201.us.archive.org (secure)] Page 408. Any translation of plato's republic work. It is the very beginning of book 10. "Knock, and He'll open the door. Vanish, and He'll make you shine like the sun. Fall, and He'll raise you to the heavens. Become nothing, and He'll turn you into everything." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75825630 United States 03/24/2018 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? The real question is, can you go back into your same dream scenario multiple times? I can. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72832184 United States 03/24/2018 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76391582 Brazil 03/24/2018 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? The real question is, can you go back into your same dream scenario multiple times? I can.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75825630 I can't. I just happen to have somewhat more vivid dreams after i became vegetarian and started meditating and such. |
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Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare?
The real question is, can you go back into your same dream scenario multiple times? I can.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75825630 I certainly can. I've experienced many different worlds, bodies, beings as early as I can remember. after 32 years I can still recall dreams that terrified me or brought me enjoyment and bliss from 4 years old. Blessing and a curse. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13897006 Denmark 03/24/2018 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? It's the beast. We all struggle with it at some level or another. It can be a single-minded obsession, or it can be a ferociois appetite for lust, violence or both. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74654943 Mexico 03/24/2018 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? 4 days ago I had some kind of nightmare were I dreamt Satan was my neighbor and I wanted to be his sorcery apprentice or something like that, it was by far one of the most bizarre and sick dreams I have ever had, I woke up with a terrible headache, I'm a Christian btw. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76394125 United States 03/24/2018 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare?
The real question is, can you go back into your same dream scenario multiple times? I can.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75825630 That's nice honey. |
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User ID: 76391582 Brazil 03/24/2018 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ever had a disturbing dream/nightmare? Well, since this got more replies than i expected, i'll add this section of "Pythagoras golden verses": "Never fall asleep after going to bed, Till you have carefully considered all your actions of the day: Where have I gone amiss? What have I done? What have I omitted that I ought to have done? If in this examination you find that you have gone amiss, reprimand yourself severely for it; And if you have done any good, rejoice." "Knock, and He'll open the door. Vanish, and He'll make you shine like the sun. Fall, and He'll raise you to the heavens. Become nothing, and He'll turn you into everything." |