Kel Tec CMR-30 Range Report and Impressions

Even single shots?!


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You're right about the barrel length issue. Max 22 mag velocities seem to be achieved with a 17" barrel. I would still call the Savage A22 and A17 rifles a lot more practical than the Kel Tec though. Savage would do well to offer these in carbines.

The Volquartsen rifles are very nice but I would never pay that much for a rimfire rifle.

If I were you, I would check out the Kel Tec. Actually go out and shoot one. The mags are not as unreliable as you think. Yes, I had some trouble with mine. However, they ran fine loaded to 28 rounds. The early PMR/CMR mags had a problem with flexing but that's not the case anymore. The Zytel that Kel Tec is using now is extremely rigid. Seriously, it sounds like the CMR-30 is right up your alley. It sure as fuck costs way less than a Volquartsen.

And yet you can blast away all day long on your own property with a VZ-58. Canada's gun laws make so much sense...

Single shot ARs?! Thats a new one. Dont let the California state legislature hear about it!

If it's a standard AR receiver, it's restricted by name.

Oh gosh...

What defines 'standard'?

Can't a few different angles + cuts less do the trick?


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I had hope for the CMR but since the stock can be tucked in, the problem becomes the overall lenght. We can't have anything below 26". Another problem is the fact that the mag fits both the pmr and the cmr hence it's capped at 10 cause it can be used in a pistol.


They're using the same logic to limit the .22lr ruger mags since they can be used in the pistol version, the charger.
There's no .22mag charger so anything goes for this caliber.

On the other hand we can fit a 10" charger barrel on a .22lr np as long as the oal is above 26".

I don’t own a Kel Tec but came close to buying their 30 round pistol, PMR30 I believe. Man the WMR ammo costs more than 9mn and you could really plow through the rounds pretty fast.
I think I read that loading the mags you should load 5-6 rounds and tap the back of the mag on a hard surface to seat the rounds properly. Don’t know if anyone makes a speed loader for the Kel Tecs yet.
I just bought a Ruger 10/22 takedown Davidson’s exclusive and love it. Cheap and accurate to shoot. I have the the big boom boom guns but for the range it’s 9mm and 22lr.

I guess they do have a speed loader for $12.00-14.00 on Amazon made by Makershot .

if you can fit an upper or a lower it's an AR

but things like Troy pump action ARs are non-restricted. They don't have a hole for the buffer tube and you can't fit a regular upper on the troy lower.

I hunt with an T/C Kathadin in 460s&w.
I even hunt small games with 410 shell with it.
1 rifle does it all.

but I would like some semi auto in 22mag or 17wsm for fun
and Volqs are a bit $$$ just for fun

What if the stock on the CMR is permanently pinned open to its max length? Sure, that would defeat the purpose of the collapsible stock design but it would still be a nice little carbine.

As for the 10-round mags...FUCK. That sucks, dude. If you were to get a CMR, I would just mail you some real 30-round mags for it if you wanted. They're only $25 here.

check out some numbers on barrel lenght for the 22 mag
[link to www.rimfirecentral.com]

I wonder how well they work. Because of the rimmed cartridges, these mags have to be loaded in a special way.

Good info. Here, you can see where I got my info:

[link to www.ballisticsbytheinch.com]

For premium 22 mag ammo (like the CCI Maxi Mag JHPs that I used for my range test), you'll be paying more than 9mm FMJ prices unless you find it on sale online (unlikely).

Since I generally plink with 9mm, 357 mag and 5.56mm, the price doesnt bother me much. However, I certainly won't pass up a good deal on 22 mag ammo if I come across it on sale.

A lot of people want to compare the price of 22 mag to 22 LR but you've got to keep in mind that 22 mag is made to higher quality standards and generally features jacketed projectiles (which adds another process to manufacturing them). Also, you get a BIG performance increase over 22 LR.

Sure, 22 mag and 22 LR are both rimfire rounds and are the same caliber but they're completely different in performance, manufacturing and (sadly) price.

One thing I will say, though, is that those fancy clear plastic boxes that CCI (and others like Fiocci) sell their ammo in add zero value for the customer. Just how much are we paying for those fancy little boxes?!

yeah that's a nice site
I got it all on a local drive

what I did for the 22mag or for other calibers was set the bar at 90% muzzle energy and see what barrel length it needed to reach that. The results for the 22lr were fun to read... it was like 7-8 inches lol

I have a Kel tech ksg and it is one of the best guns that I owne. Thousands of rounds zero problems and one of the best looking tactical shotguns. Plus it’s a bull pup.

It would have to be pinned at the factory lol
otherwise its prohibited and that's the worst
I wouldn't even be able to import it

You're a smart guy!

Damn. I'm sorry to hear that. Well, sometimes you've just got to make do with the laws that you've got (as irrational as they may be).

I got friends in the military
anything goes at their range :)

I hear they're pretty great. Kel Tec is always coming out with new, unique and (frankly) weird firearms. I've got a lot of respect for them because of that. There's no way that S&W, Remington or Ruger would ever release bold and risky designs like Kel Tec does. Savage is pretty innovative though (but nowhere near as daring as Kel Tec).

Absolutely! But, still, it sucks that you have to enjoy your weapons "in hiding" (so to speak).

there's no hiding, everything is legal
i just don't own any of the fun guns/pistols
the prohibited stuff are from their museum so it's all legal
messing with illegal guns is a big no no

Oh OK. Well, at least you can have some fun on the range with your buddies.

But, yeah--illegal guns are bad and no one anywhere should own them, think about them or talk about them. They're that dangerous.