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Looks Like California Will Require Solar Panels On New Homes & Low-rise Apartment Buildings

 
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California moved a step closer Wednesday to requiring solar panels on new homes and low-rise apartment buildings starting in 2020, the first such mandate nationwide and the state's latest step to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

"Adoption of these standards represents a quantum leap in statewide building standards," said Robert Raymer, technical director for the California Building Industry Association. "You can bet every other of the 49 states will be watching closely to see what happens."

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I'm assuming this will add several thousand to a brand new home. In times people can hardly make ends meet. If it's made so, then we can for sure see all the Liberal states follow. Driving up housing costs. Then just a matter of time before existing housing will be mandated to 'upgrade'.

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The solar energy band wagon is not the holy grail you want it to be. If you use solar panels you must have battery backup or you will only have power during the day. You will require a large bank of batteries and other components for a operational system. Just the amount of environmental damage from the mining of the lead or other metals used in the batteries is huge. Also the batteries will have to be replaced after several years causing problems for the dumps from the chemicals. Solar panels can last up to 25 years so its not really the panels causing the problem.
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Talk to Dane Wigington who lost over 50% of sun value due to geo-engineering ....
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The solar energy band wagon is not the holy grail you want it to be. If you use solar panels you must have battery backup or you will only have power during the day. You will require a large bank of batteries and other components for a operational system. Just the amount of environmental damage from the mining of the lead or other metals used in the batteries is huge. Also the batteries will have to be replaced after several years causing problems for the dumps from the chemicals. Solar panels can last up to 25 years so its not really the panels causing the problem.
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What about a grid tied Solar system?

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Re: Looks Like California Will Require Solar Panels On New Homes & Low-rise Apartment Buildings
The National electric code added a requirement a few years back requiring new houses to be roughed in for future solar energy installs.
Carbon credits here we go.
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

Oh,and screw tepco & the V.A.



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The solar energy band wagon is not the holy grail you want it to be. If you use solar panels you must have battery backup or you will only have power during the day. You will require a large bank of batteries and other components for a operational system. Just the amount of environmental damage from the mining of the lead or other metals used in the batteries is huge. Also the batteries will have to be replaced after several years causing problems for the dumps from the chemicals. Solar panels can last up to 25 years so its not really the panels causing the problem.
 Quoting: Southern Man 1685967


I think the panels are a good idea. Every home should have them on their roof. Even with out a battery bank, you are still offsetting your bill by pushing power back to the grid and then using it at night. Some power companies fuck the home owner with policy that makes grid connection suck. As far as the battery bank, i have a 12 6 volt trojan t105 lead acid batteries for my battery bank and it works just fine. Cost for lead is sky high and makes it not worth it to some. They need to lift the restrictions on shipping lithium batteris due to safer shipping standards and requirements. Lithium is what makes a solar array worth it but the cost, once again, is artificially elevated due to stupid shipping requirments. Teslas new lithium battery factory just might bring those prices down....
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Talk to Dane Wigington who lost over 50% of sun value due to geo-engineering ....
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hesright
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

Oh,and screw tepco & the V.A.



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this is something i could get behind...

for years i have wanted to get a solar system for my home but the prices are too damn high!!

i can get the solar panels for around $3-4000 which is affordable but the battery bank cost $10,000+
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Thats allot of silver @ 2/3 oz per panel average.
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Forcing people to purchase products should be illegal.
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Forcing people to purchase products should be illegal.
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Just another corrupt law to line the pockets of a few
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I don't have a problem with having to put solar panels on my home...
My problem is with it being in California.
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new rule that does not need to be approved by the Legislature of the California PUC.

Very odd.

What about houses that will not receive sunlight due to angle, trees, etc?
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Wonder which Democrat politicians have stakes in solar panel companies...

We know a lot are made in China.
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I don't have a problem with having to put solar panels on my home...
My problem is with it being in California.
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Thank You for the Pin.

I for sure thought this thread would go no place. I also realize I added 'POOL' when I didn't need too. My bad. It's been a long week and it's just half over over.
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There is nothing wrong with Solar Panels on their own.

The problem is that China is by far the biggest producer of solar panels and raw material from which they are made.

Couple that with the fact that China already has a defacto monopoly on lithium for battery production and you have your new overlords.

Bear in mind, batteries as well as solar panels have at most a life span of 10 years.


It's all geopolitical and California has already sold itself to the Chinese communists.
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Thats allot of silver @ 2/3 oz per panel average.
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That's really interesting.

When I was reading the other comments, I thought, don't you have to have some kind of technical ability to use and maintain solar panels and battery banks and especially a connection that feeds your power into the grid?

Aren't there dangers to doing this incorrectly?

Do they really expect everyone to be able to maintain this safely?
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In case you haven't seen the press releases - Tesla has developed and is manufacturing a solar roof. Their roof panels look like standard tile, concrete or even wooden shingles. Yet they are interconnected underneath and are in fact no only a roof, they're also able to generate enough power to run the entire house itself but enough extra power to run the houses next door or the office building across the street as well.

Tesla Solar Roofs do not cost any more than a standard roof of similar design. They're light weight, weather-tight, and warranted for the lifetime of the structure! That's right. They're guaranteed to last as long as the house itself does and keep on producing power at the guaranteed level or more!

Yes, you heard me correctly. For new construction, the cost of a full solar roof from Tesla, a roof that can power your house in addition to keeping it warm or cool and dry and safe from weather, can not power your entire home for thirty years or more. And it can do so at the cost of most conventional roofs or less!

If you can buy a roof that eliminates most of your power bill, or a conventional roof that does not, and they're both the same money, you'd be an idiot to choose the roof without the power generation capabilities.

In addition to the Tesla Roof, they also have batter packs now (also made my Tesla) that can store 20 Killowatt house of electricity made by that solar roof, at no cost to you, for use when the sun is down or there are rainy or over cast days and your solar roof is not making sufficient power to run your home during those times. Or, if you're in an area that "peak power demand billing" using the site-made power from the battery pack could well save you as much as 30 cents per KW/H if you have that ability vs paying the punishing rates charged by some power utilities. Given that a medium sized air conditioner can use as much as 8 killowats of power per hour of operation, or translated into dollars, that means $2.10 cents per hour to run that AC vs paying NOTHING because you're pulling your own power made by your own solar roof perhaps yesterday or the day before and stored in your power pack until it's needed. Believe me, if you're paying 30 cents per KW/Hour - you will be thrilled to have a no-cost of lower cost alternative as you watch your neighbors spending 16 dollars or more for every eight hours their AC unit is running.

Given that power costs are spiraling ever higher, and demand is growing to fast that in many metro areas when it's 3 to 5 PM and on a brutally hot day, and every store and office building in town is trying to keep their employees and customers comfortable, some cities are now experiencing brown outs which means they won't have enough power to meet demand and you and your home may be without power for an hour or two at the most critical times of the day.

A solar roof and power packs can totally eliminate this possibility and keep ti from ever occurring again.
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Conventional solar panels are very expensive.

There are companies that let you finance them but it takes like 10 years to pay them off.
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Do you think the people pushing this law are heavily invested in the technology and stand to make substantial profits if it's implemented?

Do you think the companies making the equipment promised huge kickbacks to the ones forcing people to buy it?

It's that way in other industries, is there anything in place anymore, anywhere, to prevent this kind of corruption? Or is that just normal now and doesn't raise any eyebrows?
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Supplemental solar power for your home is great

State forcing people to do it is fucking walking down the line some more towards a totalitarian United States eventual

Fucking sheep
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all these ugly black rectangles everywhere look one step closer to a distopian totalitarian society.
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Wonder how it compares to what NASA uses.

With the way how long solar panels are supposed to last is pretty shady. It should be more like computers... fast, efficient and cheap that homeowners would pay out of the pockets to save money.
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In case you haven't seen the press releases - Tesla has developed and is manufacturing a solar roof. Their roof panels look like standard tile, concrete or even wooden shingles. Yet they are interconnected underneath and are in fact no only a roof, they're also able to generate enough power to run the entire house itself but enough extra power to run the houses next door or the office building across the street as well.

Tesla Solar Roofs do not cost any more than a standard roof of similar design. They're light weight, weather-tight, and warranted for the lifetime of the structure! That's right. They're guaranteed to last as long as the house itself does and keep on producing power at the guaranteed level or more!

Yes, you heard me correctly. For new construction, the cost of a full solar roof from Tesla, a roof that can power your house in addition to keeping it warm or cool and dry and safe from weather, can not power your entire home for thirty years or more. And it can do so at the cost of most conventional roofs or less!

If you can buy a roof that eliminates most of your power bill, or a conventional roof that does not, and they're both the same money, you'd be an idiot to choose the roof without the power generation capabilities.

In addition to the Tesla Roof, they also have batter packs now (also made my Tesla) that can store 20 Killowatt house of electricity made by that solar roof, at no cost to you, for use when the sun is down or there are rainy or over cast days and your solar roof is not making sufficient power to run your home during those times. Or, if you're in an area that "peak power demand billing" using the site-made power from the battery pack could well save you as much as 30 cents per KW/H if you have that ability vs paying the punishing rates charged by some power utilities. Given that a medium sized air conditioner can use as much as 8 killowats of power per hour of operation, or translated into dollars, that means $2.10 cents per hour to run that AC vs paying NOTHING because you're pulling your own power made by your own solar roof perhaps yesterday or the day before and stored in your power pack until it's needed. Believe me, if you're paying 30 cents per KW/Hour - you will be thrilled to have a no-cost of lower cost alternative as you watch your neighbors spending 16 dollars or more for every eight hours their AC unit is running.

Given that power costs are spiraling ever higher, and demand is growing to fast that in many metro areas when it's 3 to 5 PM and on a brutally hot day, and every store and office building in town is trying to keep their employees and customers comfortable, some cities are now experiencing brown outs which means they won't have enough power to meet demand and you and your home may be without power for an hour or two at the most critical times of the day.

A solar roof and power packs can totally eliminate this possibility and keep ti from ever occurring again.
 Quoting: MarkinAZ


So who is actually using them? Or just a theoretical bullshit as usual.
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But will you be able to use the power in a grid down situation? Will you be forced to sell/give power to the grid?

I doubt this is being done to help people to become less dependent on the “system”
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The Tesla roof tiles will be released in selected areas this year. I hope to be installing them in the Caribbean this fall
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some think it should require a coal fired boiler
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Solar is a scam.. has always been a scam. Unless you have extremely high electric rates like out in Hawaii it generally takes 15-18 years for you to break even on the cost of the panels. By that time you will have to replace your batteries which cost 2000-8000 for most units and by the time your panels are 20 years old they have lost good percentage of their efficiency and are beginning to need replacement. Now if you get a leak in your roof or need to replace your shingles you need to uninstall your panels do the roof and reinstall them which will cost you $2000-$4000 depending on where you live. It’s just a big money scam... by the time you break even you are replacing it all again and paying for your electricity 10-20 years in advance and good luck trying to recoup that cost when you sell the house with those hideous panels on your roof. Not many buyers like the look because let’s be honest, they make your house look hideous
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The Tesla roof tiles will be released in selected areas this year. I hope to be installing them in the Caribbean this fall
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...but are they going to spontaneously combust like the cars.
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