"Be wise as serpents and harmless as a dove?" But was not Adam and Even told not to be wise as the Serpent?

Well considering that humans had already partaken of fruit and had the knowledge of good and evil for countless generations, maybe Christ meant to be aware of how evil thinks but to still be innocent as a dove? You can know how the enemy thinks but maintain a pure heart. There is also a reason for it because we are to be sent as "sheep amongst wolves" so it benefits to be hip to how the evil around you operates and thinks without buying into it and becoming corrupt yourself.

Jesus didn't say to eat of the fruit in the garden. That had already happened back with Adam and Eve. They aren't the same situations at all.

to be "wise" as a serpent implies possessing the same wisdom as the serpent. Being aware of evil does not mean possessing the knowledge of evil. I can be aware of pedophilia but not possess material (illegal pornography) of a pedophile. Do you follow?

What Christ proposed is problematic to a Christian from what I surmise.

If you take it literally, then obviously the God of the old testament was not a good god and the 'sepent' provided the knowledge to understand that.

wise as in wise in what the serpents are doing to you

Logically, if Eve had been as wise as the serpent, she wouldn’t have eaten of the tree.

In Matthew, Jesus tells his disciples to be as wide as the serpent, but to be innocent as doves, that is, to be able to discern what is evil but not to fall into sin.

Discernment and wisdom are much greater than knowledge. Knowledge is simply information. Discernment is being able to do what is right with that information

The Gods of the old testament and new testament, to me, are clearly different gods.

Thinking like a serpent with the peace of a dove doesn't make one wise.

It makes one a reptile dove.

I can see that argument. But let me ask you this. Would you want your pubescent child engaging in sex? I raise that question because there is the maturity factor; I think the God of the old testament felt Adam and Eve were immature to receive that kind of knowledge. The Serpent appears to have wanted to short-circuit original creation.

what the hell is a reptile dove?

Knowledge isn't information, as information can be true and untrue. So to discern what is infact true is seeking to be knowledge-able.

God didn't make man. Lucifer/Prometheus did.

Read it as that and it all makes sense.


BTW serpent is a mistranslation of Angel Nagas

Yes, i see that posibility. That prehaps the creation wasn't ready and that once we were given this understanding by the serpent, we, morally, had to be given a place like earth to exist upon?

three types of creators: (1) biological (2) intellectual (3) spiritual

Which one was Lucifer?

maybe, just physical and nonphysical creation.
We do seem to be 'trapped' in our bodies.

Only a fool would claim to know.

Many myths say a lesser god molded man from clay in secret and when God found out he tried to destroy it.

Lucifer/Prometheus or maybe he was known ny older names we don't know any more was this small g god.

Whether this was Dna manipulation, spirtual or whatever I believe this is what Ridley Scott is talking about in his movies and maybe even why his brother killed himself.

Prince Louis Arthur was born 100 years after Fatima and Our Lady made reference in one vision two two other King Louis.

Prince Luci....fer is reborn.

Did Adam and Eve eat the fruit or not?
They did yes?
So their offspring already are in possession of it.
No problem at all here.
So be wise as a serpent.

Nice try but you failed again.
Congrats on your failure.

Just be silent you idiot, it will save you from future embarrassment.

If humanities collective mind got flipped around due to the events in the Garden; wouldn't it make sense that God would speak to that mind differently?

Be wise like them for even enemies are wise but they are not harmless like doves?

In essence be smarter by not doing what they do.


By the carnal this does not make sense in order to win, you would think you have to do what they do, in order to win. Which is steal, kill, and destroy. But by faith on God and the LORD JESUS we have already won for HE defeated both sin and death. Win by spiritual means through prayer. Through fasting and take the shield of faith and do not doubt. Unite with other members and do this together(church).

Fight like they do and become like them. Then you truly lose in the end.

Knowledge doesn't make a man wise

First off FK Jezeus aka Ceasar Borgia

Enki and Enlil are the duality God's, draconian anunnaki carnal heirarchy trapped independent energies or souls into matter. All ancient civilizations and modern ones in all aspects on all social levels within each class have been fooled by chaotic beings who are forcefully trying to re-enter Order where source is also. Source has them on it's bad side in put chaos, which is the reflection of source to source, all one source. Reflection is the most powerful thing to exist, our creator told me this and showed me this personally. Everything has a reflection not just a physical one but literally it can answer truths and show you hidden meanings of creation, reflective upon micro and macro it works the same if you cross reflect micro to macro. You can decide creation with this method by finding the reflection. Example, Babies, Adults, Elders, babies reflect elders in many ways they progress than at old age turn back into infants, the reflection is the some wave or wave length.

It's about Negus or Nagas ancient Neteru principles or MAAG

It is about naturally having within self both Chaos and Order, but learning balance here on the middle plane and or last stop before entering the pure chaos realms.

This creation is dual, this is where we fell, and we either find balance in chaos and order and ascend back into pure order, or we descend further into real chaos, where order is not found.

Remember the trees don't call you ugly, the lion doesn't apologise to it's prey, the ocean doesn't stop drowning you if you jump in with no knowledge to swim, and the fire doesn't stop burning you if you get caught in it with no Knowledge to avoid it, only human perception exists outside of "what is" "What is" has no reflective perspective towards humans.

We, humans, are the "what is not".

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I agree with both of the above. Not to mention the fact that the Apostles were probably given a wisdom (a gift from Christ) that we don't inherently have.

And yes, before the fall Adam and Eve were perfect and without sin, so God seemed to be different because God didn't have the evil (now within them) to contend with. After the fall, they would necessarily be judged for the evil within them that they, after the fall, did now posses.

OP...You have asked the Wrong Question on the wrong forum...

Until you understand that...you will be suffering the consequences of your unbelief!!!

OP...You have asked the Wrong Question on the wrong forum...

Until you understand that...you will be suffering the consequences of your unbelief!!!