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Self-realization

 
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I was self realized!

I learned I had to do everything by myself!
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You did not give life yourself, nor the air to breathe, nor water, nor the planet to walk upon ....
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Observe the happening while it's happening and realize that you are the happening letting it happen. You may happen to become aware of something that you never have happened to have happen to you and thus you happen to continue observing the continual happening because it happens to lead you somewhere you happen to never have happened upon.

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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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I did. All it did was expose the demons that are at every turn. No thanks.
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Toothless demons, actually.. We all must go through the dark night of the soul to experience the light. Anything less is spiritual stagnation
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It is the seeker that is being sought. There is no goal, nor a way to reach it. You are the way and the goal.
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There is no goal?
But the seeker being sought isn't a goal?

You are the way and the goal to what?
The previous sentence just said there was no goal.


This is some f*ed up game.
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When the shadow is seen to be a shadow only, you stop following it. You turn round and discover the sun which was there all the time - behind your back! Similar, that what is being sought is the seeker himself. It is the seeker that is being sought. There is no goal, nor a way to reach it. You are the way and the goal.
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<3 <3 <3
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True,

but almost everyone thinks they are exempt, courtesy of the Narcissus

I have fought the Narcissus. It is a handful of fury and nothing. Everyone thinks they are special.
This is the problem.

problems are not "special"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76637345


Narcissists suck w/o doubt.

But there is really something special about every one alive. It is the Consciousness. All else just appears (within it), consciousness actually is.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76020565


Are you saying that a program is conscious?
It's not real.
Who is this ''every one'' you speak of?

This consciousness of yours, why is it engaged in a non-real program while putting out information that continues the belief that it's real?
These beliefs take your so-called consciousness right to the edge of it and then loops it back in.

I see that scenario in all belief/teachings and your Nisagardatta's is no different.

However, sometimes Maurice Frydman translated Nisagardatta's work so even Nisagardatta didn't recognize it as his writing.
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It is the seeker that is being sought. There is no goal, nor a way to reach it. You are the way and the goal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76087321


There is no goal?
But the seeker being sought isn't a goal?
 Quoting: shoosh 75235038


You are the seeker. It is like searching for lost glasses everywhere else than on your face. rofl5
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True,

but almost everyone thinks they are exempt, courtesy of the Narcissus

I have fought the Narcissus. It is a handful of fury and nothing. Everyone thinks they are special.
This is the problem.

problems are not "special"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76637345


Narcissists suck w/o doubt.

But there is really something special about every one alive. It is the Consciousness. All else just appears (within it), consciousness actually is.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76020565


Are you saying that a program is conscious?
It's not real.
Who is this ''every one'' you speak of?
 Quoting: shoosh 75235038


Consciousness is the same in everyone and everywhere, awareness of being. Only the intensity differs ... people get programmed/scripted most of the day.
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It is the seeker that is being sought. There is no goal, nor a way to reach it. You are the way and the goal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76087321


There is no goal?
But the seeker being sought isn't a goal?
 Quoting: shoosh 75235038


You are the seeker. It is like searching for lost glasses everywhere else than on your face. rofl5
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Forget dogmas, explore the believer.
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Realization of the Self is much more important than any self-realization.
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True,

but almost everyone thinks they are exempt, courtesy of the Narcissus

I have fought the Narcissus. It is a handful of fury and nothing. Everyone thinks they are special.
This is the problem.

problems are not "special"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76637345


Narcissists suck w/o doubt.

But there is really something special about every one alive. It is the Consciousness. All else just appears (within it), consciousness actually is.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76020565


Are you saying that a program is conscious?
It's not real.
Who is this ''every one'' you speak of?
 Quoting: shoosh 75235038


Consciousness is the same in everyone and everywhere, awareness of being. Only the intensity differs ... people get programmed/scripted most of the day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77832301


This is the reason why freedom and self-determination are so much important in evolution of man, to get mindful. Mindfulness is the necessity needed to find yourself again. Without knowing yourself you cannot get to know the Self aka God.
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-

Yet Indians still shit in the streets.

LOL
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76087321


-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-

Yet Indians still shit in the streets.

LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75400781


Do homeless Americans not shit in the streets too?
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Narcissists suck w/o doubt.

But there is really something special about every one alive. It is the Consciousness. All else just appears (within it), consciousness actually is.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76020565


Are you saying that a program is conscious?
It's not real.
Who is this ''every one'' you speak of?
 Quoting: shoosh 75235038


Consciousness is the same in everyone and everywhere, awareness of being. Only the intensity differs ... people get programmed/scripted most of the day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77832301


This is the reason why freedom and self-determination are so much important in evolution of man, to get mindful. Mindfulness is the necessity needed to find yourself again. Without knowing yourself you cannot get to know the Self aka God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77832301


hesright
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Be yourself, no one else.
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The fact remains that all knowledge is a form of ignorance: The most accurate map is yet only paper. All knowledge is in memory; it is only recognition (consciousness), while reality is beyond the duality of the knower and the known.

- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
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The fact remains that all knowledge is a form of ignorance: The most accurate map is yet only paper. All knowledge is in memory; it is only recognition (consciousness), while reality is beyond the duality of the knower and the known.

- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
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"The ink is not the message, nor is the reader's mind (knower) the message - but they all make the message possible."

"You are like the point of the pencil (on the paper) - by mere contact with you (the sense I AM) the mind draws its picture of the world. You are single and simple - the picture is complex and extensive. Don’t be misled by the picture - remain aware of the tiny point - which is everywhere (and nowhere) in the picture."

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The fact remains that all knowledge is a form of ignorance: The most accurate map is yet only paper. All knowledge is in memory; it is only recognition (consciousness), while reality is beyond the duality of the knower and the known.

- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77950803


"The ink is not the message, nor is the reader's mind (knower) the message - but they all make the message possible."

"You are like the point of the pencil (on the paper) - by mere contact with you (the sense I AM) the mind draws its picture of the world. You are single and simple - the picture is complex and extensive. Don’t be misled by the picture - remain aware of the tiny point - which is everywhere (and nowhere) in the picture."

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... like a hole in the paper is both in the paper and yet not of paper, so is the supreme state.
- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
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The fact remains that all knowledge is a form of ignorance: The most accurate map is yet only paper. All knowledge is in memory; it is only recognition (consciousness), while reality is beyond the duality of the knower and the known.

- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77950803


"The ink is not the message, nor is the reader's mind (knower) the message - but they all make the message possible."

"You are like the point of the pencil (on the paper) - by mere contact with you (the sense I AM) the mind draws its picture of the world. You are single and simple - the picture is complex and extensive. Don’t be misled by the picture - remain aware of the tiny point - which is everywhere (and nowhere) in the picture."

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77950803


... like a hole in the paper is both in the paper and yet not of paper, so is the supreme state.
- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77950803



"Like the story of the ‘tenth man’ thought as lost, but it is actually yourself; for you missed to count yourself!

The ideas of 'me' and 'mine' are at the root of the states when you are not conscious. It is not possible for anyone to see anything of the things that actually exist unless he becomes like them. You became those things.... So in this place you see everything (in the world) and do not see yourself, you missed to count yourself!"

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Question the questioner, and let the questions alone.
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Self-inquiry is an examination into our true nature, which is pure consciousness beyond body and mind. This is a very different process from psychological analysis, which is an inquiry into our personal, historical, ego-based individuality.
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Self-inquiry is an examination into our true nature, which is pure consciousness beyond body and mind. This is a very different process from psychological analysis, which is an inquiry into our personal, historical, ego-based individuality.
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... gets mixed up with western psychology and can get caught in examining the mind rather than going beyond the mind. ... turning Self-inquiry into an examination of the personal self, our fears and desires.
Naturally some clarity about our psychology can be of initial help, but it is not the goal of practice.
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Modern physics is looking for a unitary field of consciousness to explain the coherence of the laws of nature. Such a universal consciousness is proposed behind and beyond all time, space and energy, as their origin and end. It is the ultimate frontier of knowledge and existence.
Yogic spirituality has long taught how to discover this unitary field of consciousness within us as our true Self-awareness behind body and mind.
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... bringing consciousness into the senses by linking the outer senses with an inner awareness – for example, joining the outer eye with the inner eye or the outer ear with an inner power of listening. If we use our senses in a conscious, contemplative manner, rather than as tools of self-indulgence, they carry our awareness within. Then our senses link us to the spirit in nature and allow our consciousness to shine forth.
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developing the power of attention to give greater energy to our consciousness. Concentration increases the power of consciousness by consistently focusing its energy.
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... living in the field of consciousness, not merely limited to the field of the senses.
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"Bringing consciousness into all the we do is much more important than any technique, and is the highest secret of both healing and spiritual growth."

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Knowing without awareness is impossible.
Awareness without knowledge means witnessing.
The source of awareness is the witness.
The witness is primary to any knowledge.
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If the Road that you followed led you to this point, then what use was the Road?
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Whether you are remembering the past or speculating about the future, it is always now. Memory is only a thought in this moment and so is speculation.
- Shri Nissargadata Maharaj





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