Self-realization

I am beyond space and time and will never return perspective to Earth

Consciousness comes and goes, it is not timeless.

When it goes from Earth, I hope yours goes to your greatest dreams.

Dreams are for the dreamers, I am a realist.

Q: Sir, of what use to me is your telling me that reality cannot be found in consciousness? Where else am I to look for it? How do you apprehend it?

M: It is quite simple. If I ask you what is the taste of your mouth all you can do is to say: it is neither sweet nor bitter, nor sour nor astringent; it is what remains when all these tastes are not. Similarly, when all distinctions and reactions are no more, what remains is reality, simple and solid.
... Just as every wave subsides into the ocean, so does every moment return to its source.

Everything is a dream. 'Reality' is a 'solidified' dream state wherein souls get trapped and forgetful of their true being. They thus then reinforce the reality, the ever growing matrix of faulty beliefs.

for later..

No, the reality and the dreams are different. This thread is about the differences.

The only difference is your belief of it.

Dreams about reality cannot be considered the reality/truth, rather the lies.

There are no beliefs beyond consciousness duh

This thread is about reaching outside the consciousness, beyond the I AM.

One thing I noticed about Nisargadatta is he uses the term, consciousness, to refer to a type of ignorance in duality, which is fine. Other Advaitans, if you will, like Vasistha or Ramana, may use these terms differently. Vasistha refers to reality as the one infinite consciousness. The uses can be seen in context.

Indeed, there has been much confusion about the term Consciousness. I call consciousness only states in which one is conscious, having some kind of will, e.g.not in the deep sleep or the coma ...

The deep calm resulting from meditative work will remove objects of desire from consciousness, like there are no ripples or waves on the surface of still water.

Give up the lies, nothing else.

You had self-knowledge prior the birth. But the world and its experience made you forget.
You yourself are creating your trap by your word concepts. So long as you depend on hearsay you will not be liberated.
Words are within consciousness, they cannot describe the knower. You cannot see the seer with it.
From what point do you recognize yourself?
You are the consciousness not the mind (or the body). In deep sleep and in samadhi mind is not there, you are still there.
It is the consciousness that feels pain or pleasure, not the body or the vital breath.
I am it, not I have it, if you are the absolute, then there is no consciousness.
Once you realize the cause of beingness, the birth, you are liberated.
You experience the waking and sleep states because of the Brahma aperture in the head … sense organs are in different parts of the body but the experiences are in the aperture. It is very tiny
Beingness is the result of the body.
Life is the duration of beingness.
Your beingness is temporary.
With beingness come birth and death but you are eternaly there.
Beingness is not in one´s control.
In the absence of beingness nothing is of any use.
Through it you can describe the world. But the one who sees is beyond.
Prior to the appearance of beingness you were there.
You are not in beingness.
Give attention to the beingness or I am although you are not in it.
You are the eternal principle which witnesses everything.

- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
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... in the simplest terms explained to everybody to get it.

Every religion begins with faith and promises some ecstasy. Is the ecstasy of the real, or the product of faith? For, if it is an induced state, I shall have nothing to do with it. Take Christianity that says: Jesus is your Saviour, believe and be saved from sin. When I ask a sinning Christian how is it that he has not been saved from sin in spite of his faith in Christ, he answers: My faith is not perfect. Again we are in the vicious circle - without perfect faith - no salvation, without salvation - no perfect faith, hence no salvation. Conditions are imposed which are unfulfillable and then we are blamed for not fulfilling them.

You conceptualise that truth is a thing. You conceptualise that permanence is the proof of truth, that what lasts longer is somehow more true. Time becomes the measure of truth. And since time is in in the mind, the mind becomes the arbiter and searches within itself for the proof of truth - a task altogether impossible and hopeless! Now, nothing, no state of the mind can last for ever. Truth (proof) and destiny are in the unconscious. Conscious merit is mere vanity. You do not realise that your present waking state is one of ignorance, the fault of the instrument is no reflection on its user.

You are like a child that says: Prove that the sugar is sweet then only I shall have it. The proof of the sweetness is in the mouth not in the sugar. To know it is sweet, you must taste it, there is no other way. Of course, you begin by asking: Is it sugar? Is it sweet? and you accept my assurance until you taste it. Then only all doubts dissolve and your knowledge becomes first hand and unshakable. Every step proves or disproves itself.

In time and space there is always a limit, because time and space themselves are limiting. And in the timeless the words 'for ever' have no meaning. The same with the 'proof of truth'. In the realm of the timeless everything is complete, its own proof, meaning and purpose. Where all is one, no (proof) supports are needed.

- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
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This sounds interesting.

I am aware that there is a much bossier version of me in my head that I have to appease in order to live, I will assume that to be EGO.

Any way to shut them up?

It is the keeper of rules and laws and is super annoying.

Last Edited by HarshingMyMellow on 12/07/2019 09:02 AM

"There are two wolves fighting inside all of us. The first one is evil, the second one is good… Which wolf will win? The one you feed."

"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai

Putting it simply, true "Self Realization," is realizing we are 'not this body.' We are not the same body that came out of our mothers womb. This body is not you is the first major step.
We have eliminated the body being us, and now that leaves us to realize that our permanent position is as "Spirit Soul," our consciousness, which remains the same.

Consciousness comes and goes. Are you conscious the whole day?

This looks like another case of different uses of the term. Ramana Maharshi I believe would say we are always conscious, even in deep sleep. Nisargadatta I think would use the term awareness for that, and uses consciousness for a dualistic reference and the like.

There's the Ego and then there is what the ego 'appears' to
The Ego has an experience in awareness.

Awareness is prior to everything.

'I have to appease' is Ego having a thought that has come and gone to and in 'awareness'.

English is not my first language. But there has to be discernment b/w consciousness and awareness or some other term. Or the confusion gets only bigger.

Being conscious comes and goes with the 3 state of of the mind, dreaming, deep sleep and waking.

if i were a conductor
i'd have bullfrogs sing the "jaws" theme
if i're a conspirator
i'd advocate the devil's scheme

if i met an enchanter
she'd turn me into a gecko
if i met you in banter
you'd turn toward me to echo

if i were a reflector
it'd be the stillness of a spring
if i wielded a sceptor
i'd be a lonely beehive king

if i gave you a lecture
i'd say always keep learning keen
if i gave you conjecture
i'd say you're blind to what's between

if i shared with you my truth
inspiration would then be mine
if i shared through all my chaos
then the chaos would be sublime

if i offered you a choice
you would realize a true friend
if i offered up my voice
you'd hear the plea to make amend

if i could yield to uncouth
then the darkness would surrender
if i could be less aloof
love would not be put asunder

if i looked to azimuth
of life the past would integrate
if i looked to call your bluff
then maya would disintegrate

if i could be a rector
all wildlife would come to me
but i'm just a projector
of improbable dreams to be


this one's been on my list to be able to recite from memory, a bit of practice seemed pertinent per the topic and your reply :)