Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people

"friendly"

Confidence in sharing one's idea of Truth is not the same as the physicial and monetary domination by/of Judaism and Islam. Catholicism has practiced domination of Protestants and non-catholic Christians, as well as Jewish. And did fight battles with militant Islam for control of land. But Catholicism is different than Christianity by many standards.

Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking

Well aren't you a smart ass.

I suspect that you will be getting your answer soon enough - if you should live so long.

It's a rational question to ask yourself.

5* for asking people to think op. You may not like all the answers you get though. You asked.

Sure thing!

Life is what you made of it. It is full of happy, joy, fulfillment, hopes and dreams. Some of your dreams and expectations will be achieved, some will not. Some of your hopes will fade, happiness don't last forever and joy can become boring. Life can suck sometimes. You'll feel depressed, impotent, frustrated, mad, angry, sad, defeated and many other "down" feelings. To cope with that is what makes you thrive or succumb. Humans are obsessed for answering questions. "I don't know" is not enough for most people. Religion offers easy, packed and ready to consume answers to all your problems.

Notice, I said RELIGION. To me, religion is a mechanism to cope with the frustration of being ignorant.

So people get attached to religion for easy, ready to go answers for problems. But this creates another problem, reality is not even close to what religion describes, I mean the scientific know reality. We know now much more than we did a thousand years ago, religion became irrelevant. This is way too hard for most people to accept, because they made their lives around religion.

So there could be multiple "right" gods? I mean we come from somewhere and yet the Bible and any other religious text were all written by humans and probably also translated/mistranslated numerous times so they're going to be flawed.

Maybe the better way to put it is what is spiritual truth?

Religion is a philosophy of existence that takes into account the possibilities of the supernatural and the after -life.

To me, any such "religion" that includes/demands the domination of non-group members, should not rightly be considered a religion, but rather an ideology of supremacism.

As such. they would necessarily be considered as different categories in "laws of the Land," and such ideologies considered anathema to any Republic of Law, and receive no protection of the Law.

Ignorant?

Your hatred of God and Believers shines through and true.

And what you just said is the whole point about Belief in God and His Son Jesus.

You claim all that as "facts", when all you really did was list a bunch of various emotions that can happen during the course of a life.

Religion MAY be a "mechanism to cope" for some.

True Belief puts those "emotions" aside...that they don't produce any benefit. We prefer to live in the KNOWING that God will take care of us and provide as we need, no matter the circumstance.

That is OUR reality...that God DOES exist...and helps us through this life...and tries to prepare us for the next life, after our human bodies have expired.

Billions of people believe that God is the Creator.

One look at the intricately, fine-tuned universe, and we can see it easily.

And you are too ignorant to see it.

The internal conflicts within Christianity have been there from the jump, and regardless of how they played out, the underlying assumption is that faction x saw itself as possessing the one true faith, while all the other factions were mistaken, never mind anyone outside Christianity. In this regard, it's exclusivity is akin to supremacy.

Am I being unfriendly in any of my posts? I answered politely in every single one.

Thanks! I'm aware that religious people don't welcome rationality too well, the threats and agressiveness were expected.

Do you understand what "ignorant" means? Or are you ignorant on that too?

Yes, the idea of "conflicts" within any ideology or religion suggests one must be "better" than another. However, when each individual has his own choice and is not compelled nor punished for his decisions, it is not remotely the same as physical compulsion.

YES....you called people ignorant.

See my post above this one.



What do you expect when you are unpolite?

It's real easy for us to say that you are ignorant of the fact that God exist's.

Its a thought exercise, an abstraction exercise. If you can, imagine that all you know about your specific religion is a lie. Like all the religions along history that arise, faded and die, think that your religion is also a lie. What would you do?

- If you can't do it and go with the path "It can't be" or "I just can't cope with such an idea", don't bother posting.
- Don't quote the bible, its pointless for the exercise, if you can't do it, you fall under the category above, of people incapable of abstract thinking

Well, it's impossible to show proof it isn't true.

Because faith is what people have-which is believing in things unseen.

So, my question to you is, when Faith is what people use to believe in God, how can you EVER prove it untrue?

The very essence of faith is believing in things with no proof.

So yours is a moot point.

Proof is the burden of one making a positive claim. If you say "God exists" you have to provide proof, but you cannot use "you can't prove me wrong, thus I might be right" because it is a fallacy.
There are dragons, unicorns, pixies, fairies and blob monsters around. Can you prove me wrong? If no, then it means they are real. Its the same analogy.

It comes down to this:

Either nothing made everything or Someone made
everything. The truth is self-evident. ( It
has already been proven mathematically that
the complex nature of life CAN NOT occur by
chance. Sir Fred Hoyle tornado going through
a junkyard creating a working 747. )

Either DNA made itself or it didn't. What other options besides God as maker of DNA are available?

Why does your freedom end where others begin?
If there is no God than there is no external wrong or right. The world becomes only what you can get away with.
If there is no wrong or right than there should be no problem with someone stealing your car, lying about it and sayings its theirs. You would have no problem with that.
But we all know that that would be an act of injustice. Each of us has an inner sense of wrong and right. This is not relative with each person having their own wrong or right. This comes from an external source.

The fact that you said that your freedom ends where another begins proves that you have an internal sence of wrong and right. Thus you have proven the existence of God.