Friendly discussion and thought exercise to religious people

Is Christianity dying in the UK? Perhaps but there is no net loss. And as Christians stop going to an Anglican state run parish in England, they start going to a mosque! Congratulations atheists. You made things worse because muslims thrown atheists off rooftops and chop off their heads.

Your atheist daughters will muslim men in England. What did you accomplish?

The light is not found in my religion being true to me...but me being true to my religion.

Talk about a “narrow path”. . .!

Here is what is so ironic.

As atheism is a faith based religion and not philosophical whatsoever, then anyone who makes up these topics to dissuade others from being Christian is actually an EVANGELIST.

You are an atheist evangelist! You want us in your cult. You think your voodoo is better!

And the angry antitheists within atheism are angry street preacher evangelists. You know, the ones hated by almost everyone?

Not literally, but we do it with our words all the time. Largely, we seem to be offended at their very existence.

Thread: "You did not choose Me, but I chose you"

Because one finds that ones interpretation of a thing is wrong, does not make the item non-existant. I am on the road along with many others, listening is the key to understanding the way.

This is a strange question but from my experience of my beliefs. We’re more than just flesh and blood there’s a spiritual element to each of us that will be filled. If you don’t believe this fact then why do all tribes worship a being or God’? It’s part of us OP

Hilarious claims

Need to check it out.

Why blindly follow something that was written by a man with no evidence of their claims?

Why blindly follow atheism? Don't you get that?

And atheism is half-baked.

Let's say you disbelieve in marriage. Okay, then what DO you believe?

This is the main problem with atheism. You disbelieve in GOD. Okay, what DO you believe?

Basing a whole life om disbelief is nonsense.

Do you find it logical to get angry about an imaginary being? That is your claim, correct? Do you spend hours on being angry at Osirus?

It's supremely weird that people claiming religion is phony then want to talk exclusively about religion! WTF.

The very basis of atheism is that there is no evidence of its veracity of claim and then it is written by men!

Look in the mirror.

I'm not religious myself but this person was showing to be a willing participant in your exercise but wasn't incapable as much as you were unwilling to even meet half way. This gives you away as insincere & intending to shit stir. Neither of which is intelligent or helpful in a thought exercise.

I suspect you may be trolling xD
Right?
Religion is useless, as is your discussion, there is obviously a Higher Being, call it whatever you want.
If you are unable to see the hand of The Artist on everything arround you, then you are just a very ignorant (probably too young to know better) person.

Yeah OP I tried it.


Took about one second to realize that my religion is not a simple philosophy, or an edict from a book or a religious leader.


My religion is the culmination of a quest. A quest that included studying numerous documents, observing the world, people, and seeking the truth.

It has been very rewarding and helpful in enjoying life.

Thanks for the exercise.

Better define you silly question that you have no desire to ponder since you desire to hobble all who desire to quote the bible in their reply.

Ponder this. If every Christian followed Jesus commandment in Matthew 25 to help the least of these...and then hundreds of years later it was discovered GOD was not real...

Then still it wouldn't matter. Billions would have been helped. Heaven being real would be irrelevent.


Meanwhile what has atheism accomplished?

I think you've read me wrong, I have no qualms of others and their beliefs, but I do question things when religion is used to justify acts of violence and when it has such a pull on a person where they won't question what they're doing with a logical approach...

Religion in itself can be useful and healthy for some, especially when a person has no one or nothing, they need a reason not to revert to primitive animalistic behaviour, IE ripping someone to pieces because they have no one else to awnser too...

Or for some to find comfort in the greif and so on, but there's a boundary that is often crossed and that's when it becomes dangerous to themselves and others, you should always have that option to think clearly about your actions and make those decisions without blindly following the words of someone who wrote something in a book without any evidential fact...

As for atheism, I had religion forced down my throat as a kid, it caused issues when I asked questions like Why, what, when, who and how, I was given a book written by man telling me how to live my life and they expected me not to analyse it...

I'm open to religion, if I'm to be judged when the time comes I'd rather be judged on my actions and what I've learnt through life, not by what a script tells me.

Apologies if any disrespect was felt

No no no. You don't even know what you subscribe to! In philosophy, there is no "lack of belief" in GOD in atheism!

I am assuming you are an intelligent person. When you say that, you sound like a DOLT.

Atheism is very defined in philosophy. It means a disbelief in GOD.

My gosh. Sigh. Please everyone read this.

[link to beliefmap.org (secure)]
Some atheist figureheads—notably Matt Dillahunty—have promoted the idea that, in addition to the word “non-theist”, the word “atheist” is also properly defined as: a person who lacks belief in God(s). This “lack of belief” definition would include agnostics under the definition of atheist, and so would crowd out defining atheism as the positive belief that God does not exist. (This community suggests calling a positive belief in God's non-existence, “strong atheism”). At least as far as there can be an answer to the question of whether a term is being used properly, is this community correct?

Academic sources unanimously answer “NO”
It might come down to the level of precision users want. In academic settings, where precision is aimed for, the answer is unanimous:
• Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (2011): “‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.” [Atheism and Agnosticism, Online]
• Encyclopedia of Unbelief (2007), p. 88: “In its broadest sense atheism, from the Greek a (‘without’) and theos (‘deity’), standardly refers to the denial of the existence of any god or gods.”
• Encyclopedia of Philosophy 2nd ed. (2006), p.358 [in vol. 1 of 10]: “According to the most usual definition, an atheist is a person who maintains that there is no God, that is, that the sentence ‘God exists’ expresses a false proposition. In contrast, an agnostic maintains that it is not known or cannot be known whether there is a God”
• Oxford Companion to Philosophy, New Ed. (2005), p. 65: “Atheism is ostensibly the doctrine that there is no God. Some atheists support this claim by arguments. But these arguments are usually directed against the Christian concept of God, ... Agnosticism may be strictly personal and confessional—‘I have no firm belief about God’—or it may be the more ambitious claim that no one ought to have a positive belief for or against the divine existence.”
• Blackwell Dictionary of Western Philosophy (2004), p. 530: “The belief that God – especially a personal, omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent God – does not exist.”
• Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy (1998), entry by William Rowe: “As commonly understood, atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. So an atheist is someone who disbelieves in God, whereas a theist is someone who believes in God. … the common use of ‘atheism’ to mean disbelief in God is so thoroughly entrenched, we will follow it. We may use the term ‘non-theist’ to characterize the position of the negative atheist.”

Religious are for men. Essenes are from God.

Christianity was an Essenes, now it overtaken by men in power.

You can thanks the Zionist Vatican, they are the sons of Belial false j-ews with the Romans Elites.

Connected the Caesar, Lincoln, JFK dots with the White Romans Pantheon House much..

Do you know what a frame of reference means in philosophical debate? In order to begin a discussion, all parties have the same definitions as frames of reference. Otherwise it's not philosophy, just blather.

In philosophy, just to articipate, you have to state a belief. That was the burden of proof is on each stating beliefs. Then using logic and evidence and overall reason, and the dialectic, you arrive at some semblance of the truth.

If you say you have a lack of belief, you violate this principle, and then you have undefined state, rather like dividing by zero, and then weasel your way out as you have avoided a burden of proof for what you say.

And since when do these mankind who are cordless and cut off from God source have a belief system in them. You do not consider them the same as those with souls. You consider them which is NOT. Half the world today are soulless and they follow those with souls expressions.

They cannot conprehend good and evil, nor holy and unholy, they are neutral.

What is then, a backdrop person?

A backdrop person is best described to a human not really what it is but what it is not. A backdrop person is not a Source expressed individual life form with a direct Source connection. Now of course it is within Source creation, and all things are from Source but it is not a direct creation. You have a direct connection. A backdrop person does not.

Who or what created backdrop people?

They were created by Creator beings as something like empty suits. They have a physicality just like you and all true human beings, but their connection to Source is offline.

Why were they created?

The simple answer is that they were an experiment. The Creator beings were curious about the concept and idea. And they were very easy to create and then to manipulate both for positive reasons and not so positive reasons.

Do they have a soul?

They do not have a soul as you have a soul, but again this is a simplistic answer. They are animated on the “outside“ of their beings, very often by you and other soul expressions.

Do they feel and think like we who are not backdrop people feel and think?

Not exactly the same. But they can feel and think. Yes.

[link to newearthjourneyjournal.com]

And remember we ar ein the wicked generation of vipers.

If this is a serious exercise where we are philosohers specifically discussing GOD ie YHWH then here is how to start.
[By the way, the second you discuss YHWH, you are a philosopher whether you intended this or not.]

Atheist "I disbelieve in YHWH. YHWH is just another go to me, though I recognize he is the Creator in the Judeo-Christian world and some claim he is Allah.

Christian "I believe YHWH is GOD and the source of all being and love. He is both Creator and Master and an aspect of the Trinity. His only begotten Son was Jesus the Christ. And he died on the cross and rose from the dead. By grace we are saved not by good works.

Otherwise you do make very messy nonsensical imprecise statements.

Atheist "I don't believe inyour god."

Christian "Neither do I."

Atheist "WTF!"

Christian "YHWH is GOD. YHWH is not a god. A god is defined as a mythological being and everyone in Christianity agrees that gods are not real."

When some atheist(who ought to know better as they claim to be intellectuals) says, "The burden of proof is on you..." that is WRONG in philosophy.

An atheist does not lack a belief, rather they typically have a strong disbelief in GOD ie YHWH.

This means they have a burden of proof just like the Christian.

This is why it's a stalemate.

Yahweh (peace be unto his holy name).

Nay, God do not create, the spirits of Gods creates art in the universe and God see some of it good and so God formed it from void.

We all with souls are God source and together we are Almighty God like a huge Osmos Sun.

Allah is one of creator beings who is blessed forever also known as Holy spirits.

They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. - Romans 1:25

Connect Israel under Abraham and Ishmael the father of mankind dots:

And the LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people. Behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation." - Exodus 32:9-10 Vulgate Bible

As for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him into a great nation. - Genesis 17:20 Vulgate Bible

I am not trying to convert you atheists.

I am trying to help you communicate intelligently and due to free will, explore what you believe.

When you weakly say the things that uneducated people say about atheism, then you look very ignorant. I know you do not want that. You want to express yourself well and present yourself well.

I am presuming that since you atheists spend more time talking about YHWH than Christians that you wish to communicate accurately and precisely.

Ok! Thanks for your answer!