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Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!

 
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Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
They try to point to sharks as the exception.

Bigger fish eating smaller fish destroyed the fossils necessary to prove that all fish species are as ancient as sharks. See how that works?

They sure as hell didn't start walking one day and talking the next.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Even current ocean ecology proves this is the case.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Everything in the Ocean gets eaten by something else. Unless the swim up to shore and die on the beach. Then birds and other predators eat them.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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everything around them was becoming something else but they remained the same.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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I was getting to that.

Pound for pound, Insects are the world's largest food source for the widest range of all other living creatures.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
They try to point to sharks as the exception.

Bigger fish eating smaller fish destroyed the fossils necessary to prove that all fish species are as ancient as sharks. See how that works?

They sure as hell didn't start walking one day and talking the next.
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Lolololol.

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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
I should develop a Theory that God is a bug...as they are not subject to evolutionary change, while everything else on Earth is.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Evolution/adaptation before your eyes...

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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Liberals think humans are evolving into gender fluid soy boys.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
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you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
You are what you are and have always been.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
What would they evolve to? Aquaman?
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
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you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
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you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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You were stronger as a child. You smashed with ruthless abandon. Today, not so much.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
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you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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Those are mutations. Mutations are not a sustained line of species. Stop trying to conflate mutation with something else. Hybrids can be. Jury still out on that.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9348565


you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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You were stronger as a child. You smashed with ruthless abandon. Today, not so much.
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You were stronger as a child...? Logic fail.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
Insects, also, were not subject to Evolution, apparently.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
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you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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so apes and humans are the same thing...is that what you implied?
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9348565


you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76717746


Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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Those are mutations. Mutations are not a sustained line of species. Stop trying to conflate mutation with something else. Hybrids can be. Jury still out on that.
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An adaptation is a mutation, or genetic change, that helps an organism, such as a plant or animal, survive in its environment. Due to the helpful nature of the mutation, it is passed down from one generation to the next. ... The mutation has become an adaptation.
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Rofl.

The most feared and panic-causing insect in New York isn't the cockroach--it's the bedbug. In the late 1990s, after a half-century of "relative inactivity," as we noted back in May, the bedbug suddenly reappeared, stronger than ever. Turns out the bedbug had evolved in ways that make it much harder to eradicate, including a thick, waxlike exoskeleton that repels pesticides, a faster metabolism to create more of the bedbug's natural chemical defenses, and dominant mutations to block search-and-destroy pyrethroids. You almost have to admire the little monsters.

[link to www.popsci.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9348565


you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76717746


Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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so apes and humans are the same thing...is that what you implied?
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Not at all. They are the closest relative on the planet though.
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you mean that bedbugs Adapted...I noticed that smashing a Wasp with a heavy stone is far more difficult today than it was when I was a child. They are harder, I think.

But it is still a Wasp.
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Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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so apes and humans are the same thing...is that what you implied?
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Not at all. They are the closest relative on the planet though.
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so adaptation and evolution are not the same thing, correct?
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
my left thumb has developed callous, as I use it often to 'flick my bic'.

the callous is my thumb adapting to the environment.

should I expect my offspring to have larger thumbs with thicker skin?
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
What would they evolve to? Aquaman?
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My point exactly.

Little aquamen would be eaten just like Nemo's parents.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
my left thumb has developed callous, as I use it often to 'flick my bic'.

the callous is my thumb adapting to the environment.

should I expect my offspring to have larger thumbs with thicker skin?
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Or evolve a lighter in their thumb.
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Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.

In biology, adaptation has three related meanings. Firstly, it is the dynamic evolutionary process that fits organisms to their environment, enhancing their evolutionary fitness. Secondly, it is a state reached by the population during that process. Thirdly, it is a phenotypic or adaptive trait, with a functional role in each individual organism, that is maintained and has been evolved by natural selection.

I gave you a link to fish that recently adapted/evolved too.
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so apes and humans are the same thing...is that what you implied?
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Not at all. They are the closest relative on the planet though.
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so adaptation and evolution are not the same thing, correct?
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No they are. A mutation is an adaptation which are both part of evolution. A mutation is not necessarily an adaptation until it become generational. If it becomes generational and enough of them occur you get a new species.
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so apes and humans are the same thing...is that what you implied?
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Not at all. They are the closest relative on the planet though.
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so adaptation and evolution are not the same thing, correct?
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No they are. A mutation is an adaptation which are both part of evolution. A mutation is not necessarily an adaptation until it become generational. If it becomes generational and enough of them occur you get a new species.
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so again...you believe Apes and Humans are the same? you won't escape this.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
my left thumb has developed callous, as I use it often to 'flick my bic'.

the callous is my thumb adapting to the environment.

should I expect my offspring to have larger thumbs with thicker skin?
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Strictly speaking, maybe.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
There is an extensive fossil record of fish and every other animal's evolution. The evidence is overwhelming; that's why biologists who earn their living in that field find evolution essential to make sense of their work.
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Not at all. They are the closest relative on the planet though.
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so adaptation and evolution are not the same thing, correct?
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No they are. A mutation is an adaptation which are both part of evolution. A mutation is not necessarily an adaptation until it become generational. If it becomes generational and enough of them occur you get a new species.
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so again...you believe Apes and Humans are the same? you won't escape this.
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Your logic is circular and has nothing to do with evolution. I already answered the question and broke it down to crayon level. If you are stuck on the whole hominid thing, I'm sorry I can't help you.
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Re: Contrary to Junk Science... Fish have not evolved ever!
my left thumb has developed callous, as I use it often to 'flick my bic'.

the callous is my thumb adapting to the environment.

should I expect my offspring to have larger thumbs with thicker skin?
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No. Having a callous is not a genetic mutation which makes it more likely that your offspring will survive and pass on the same mutation...THAT'S ALL EVOLUTION IS





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