ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study

NONSENSE.

Jesus is the Gospel. Sent by the Father.

The other 11 Apostles taught for 3+ years BEFORE Paul.

What were THEY teaching?

Gospel of salvation was given to Paul?

Point #1

Salvation actually comes from God. The Father...OUR Father...SENT His Son Jesus to us.

And EVERYTHING Jesus said was FROM the Father.

See this.

John 12

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but he Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Point #2

Our Father...Abba...Jehovah...Yahweh...had NUMEROUS prophets telling the people to REPENT in the Old Testament.

AND He told Isaiah to tell the people...

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD : though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

BOTH John the Baptist and Jesus preached repentance.

Matthew 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"

Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Point #3

That said, here's Jesus AGAIN...about both repenting...AND "believe the gospel".

Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel.

Matthew mentioning the "preaching of the Gospel".

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Point #4

The 11 original Apostles and Matthias were preaching the gospel of salvation for at LEAST 3 years BEFORE Paul, as he spent 3 years in the desert.

By YOUR analogy, their preaching meant nothing.

Point #5 - LAST but MOST Important

THESE are the MOST significant words Jesus said about Salvation.

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Paul was just another Apostle sent out by Jesus. No better....no worse. His letters to the various churches dealt with probems in those churches, and documented his efforts to resolve them as much if not more than giving additional instruction.

He was sent NORTH...NOT to the places the OTHER Apostles had already been to.

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They were teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, Paul taught the Gospel of Grace.

Sorry, but your analogy of 2 different gospels is skewed. AND it would require that Paul would have been sent to all the places the other Apostles had been to, which didn't happen.

It's all ONE Gospel.

Grace / forgivenes...comes from repentance...AND from Belief and Faith, which is at the core of what they ALL taught.

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Fake?

Everything I stated was backed up with scripture to prove the points.

Scriptural FACTS.

1. Barnabas took Paul to Jerusalem specifically to see if he was on the SAME PAGE as Peter and the rest of the Apostles.

2. Jesus tells the Apostles that "THE Gospel" is to be preached to ALL the world. NOT "the GOSPELS" (plural - more than one). AND Jesus TOLD them to go to "all the world" -(Matthew 28:19). They taught to some of the same Gentiles as Paul did.

A...Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

B...Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

C...Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

D...Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

E...Luke 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

F...Revelation it's referred to as "the everlasting Gospel".
ONE Gospel - not plural gospels.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

G...Jesus main mission was to Israel, but yet He didn't refuse Gentiles. SAME Gospel to the Gentiles as to the Hebrews.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman / "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

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So what is the "everlasting gospel" I've heard about? *rolls eyes*

Genesis 6:8
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

I didn't know Paul was a time traveller.

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Newsflash: we have always been saved by faith, and grace. That is the everlasting gospel.

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Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

.....

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

.....

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into
all the world, and preach the gospel to
every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission
of sins should be preached in his name
among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

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So Jesus resurrected Himself, sent Himself, begat himself, sits at the right hand of himself, is the mediator between men and Himself, prays to himself, created the world by himself, is his own witness, alone, etc, etc.

That's not Biblical in the least!

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I'm glad you asked...

Jesus raised himself:
St. John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
St. John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
St. John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

God the Father raised Jesus:
Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

The Holy Spirit raised Jesus:
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

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It's 100% biblical just not 100% accepted or 100% understood by you.

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1 Corinthians 6:14
Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power.

Ephesians 1:15-23
which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; read more.

2 Corinthians 4:14
knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Acts 2:24
"But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.

Acts 3:15
but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.

Acts 4:10
let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

Acts 5:30
"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.

Acts 10:40
"God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,

Acts 13:30
"But God raised Him from the dead;

Acts 13:34
"As for the fact that He raised Him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, He has spoken in this way: 'I WILL GIVE YOU THE HOLY and SURE blessings OF DAVID.'

Romans 4:24
but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),

1 Peter 1:21
who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Acts 2:32
"This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.

Acts 3:26
"For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."

Romans 6:4
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,

Acts 17:31
because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."

Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'

Romans 8:34
who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

Inb4 "but Jesus *is* God!!"

No, He's clearly not.

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Easily explained by understanding THIS part of John 10:18

St. John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

The Father COMMANDED His Son Jesus to "raise Himself".

By accepting that, you can now see how Gal 1:1 and Rom 8:11 are MEANT to be understood.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

And from John 5, it's the Father who first "quickens"

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

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The Holy Spirit would NOT tell someone to "follow Paul".

That's utterly rediculous.

Paul has a "secret"?

NONSENSE.

Pauls' gospel? Nonsense.

We don't know everything that Paul taught, but the fact that he regularly checked in at Jerusalem tells us that what he taught was in agreement with what the other Apostles taught...which is what Jesus Himself taught.

Every place Paul went - he went to a synagogue.

IF you actually read the last half of Acts you will see that Paul also ran into Hebrew synagogues in his travels. Even in ROME.

Verses to prove my point about synagogues.

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Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19

Jesus was sent to Israel...but He NEVER rejected Gentile Believers.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman / "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

Finally...Jesus told the Apostles to go throughout the WORLD.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into
all the world, and preach the gospel to
every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission
of sins should be preached in his name
among all nations, beginning at Jerusa-
lem.

Matthew supposedly went as far as Ethiopia
Thomas to India
Peter supposedly went to Rome
John was in Ephesus

Pretty much all the Apostles went OUTSIDE of Israel at some point.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

The phrase "gospel of" occurs 32 times in 31 verses in the KJV.

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Here's a list of the different "names" used in the KJV for the Gospel.

"gospel of the kingdom" occurs 4 times in 4 verses in the KJV.

"gospel of God" occurs 7 times in 7 verses in the KJV.

"gospel of Christ" occurs 11 times in 11 verses in the KJV.

Here's 10 other "gospel of" phrases.

gospel of Jesus Christ
gospel of the grace of God
gospel of his Son
gospel of your salvation
2) gospel of peace
gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
gospel of the blessed God
gospel of the uncircumcision
gospel of the circumcision

Let's see if we can make ONE general "sentence" incorporating most of those phrases.

gospel of God
gospel of the blessed God - "The Gospel, as proclaimed by God,"

gospel of the kingdom
gospel of your salvation
gospel of the grace of God - "concerning the future kingdom, which requires salvation through God's grace,"

gospel of Christ
gospel of Jesus Christ
gospel of his Son
gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ - "through belief in Jesus, His Son, the Christ,"

gospel of peace - "by whom will we receive peace through belief in Him".

...

18 various "_____ gospel" (words other than 'the")

- this gospel - 3 times
- my gospel - 3 times
- Christ's gospel
- our gospel - 3 times
- glorious gospel - 2 times
- another gospel - 2 times
- other gospel - 2 times
- that gospel
- everlasting gospel

...

Here it is: "The Gospel, as proclaimed by God, concerning the future kingdom of God, which requires salvation through God's grace, through belief in Jesus, His Son, the Christ, by whom will we receive peace through belief in Him".

ONE Gospel allows for this verse in Romans to be truly realized as "all encompasing".

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Juu and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

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There's ONE Gospel - which has been given different "names" in the New Testament.
Jesus tells the Apostles several times that "the Gospel" is to be preached to all the world.
That would include Gentiles.
Scriptural proof.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

This verse in Revelation is decisive that there is only one Gospel - "the everlasting gospel".

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

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"The Gospel, as proclaimed by God, concerning the future kingdom of God, which requires salvation through God's grace, through belief in Jesus, His Son, the Christ, by whom will we receive peace through belief in Him".

Paul is the minister of Jesus Christ for today!

Romans 15:15-16 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, 16 that I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Paul has the only gospel of Jesus Christ for today!

Galatians 1:6-9 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Salvation:
Acts 16:30, 31
eph 2:89
gal 2:16
rom 3:23-25
I-COR 15:1-8

if Jesus is just an ordinary man, then who is Jesus's mediator???

NONSENSE.

Paul preached the SAME things as the OTHER Apostles.

Barnabas took Paul to Jerusalem specifically to see if he was on the SAME PAGE as Peter and the rest of the Apostles.

Point - Paul was "chosen" to go to the Gentiles, but his travels, as documented in the (KJV) Book of Acts, show us that EVERYWHERE Paul went - he went to the synagogues FIRST.
This proves that Paul had the same Gospel as the other Apostles, who were to preach "to the world".

Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19


Point - The 10 Commandments are STILL in effect.
Jesus mentions them in Matthew 5 and Matthew 19.
Paul and John mention them in these verses.

1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

1 John 2

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

MANY folks argue that Jesus' 2 commandments replaces the Father's original 10.
Let's compare what was said.

Father God TOLD Jesus what to say while He was on earth. See here in John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

.....

Jesus "2 Commandments" are merely a simplified version of the 10 Commandments.

Notice that if you "LOVE God" as stated Deu 6:5 and Mat 22:37, this ONE statement is basically a "blanket" of the First 4 Commandments of Exodus 20.

Now look at what Jesus said following Mat 22:37.

Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou
shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang
all the law and the prophets.

That SINGLE statement, IF followed, covers the final 6 Commandments quite nicely!

Therefore, by following Jesus' 2 commandments, you should automatically be following the Father's 10.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

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So...only Paul talks about salvation?

Hogwash

"salvation" occurs 119 times in 115 verses in the Old Testament in the KJV.

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John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(1 John 3:23)


Please explain where the ten commandments says to believe in the name of God's Son Jesus Christ?

Please explain where the ten commandments says to love one another as Jesus loves us?


34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
(John 13:34-35)

Jesus "2 Commandments" are merely a simplified version of the 10 Commandments.

Notice that if you "LOVE God" as stated Deu 6:5 and Mat 22:37,
this ONE statement is basically a "blanket" of the First 4 Commandments of Exodus 20.

Now look at what Jesus said following the above verse.

Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou
shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang
all the law and the prophets.

That SINGLE statement, IF followed, covers the final 6 Commandments quite nicely!

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Please read what Jesus's commandments are:

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(1 John 3:23)

Believe in the name of God's Son Jesus Christ.

Love one another as Jesus loves us.

This is not the same as the two greatest commandments in the old testament Law of Moses, Matthew 22:37-40. Not the same.

The ten commandments don't say this: "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."

should read...
" But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them".

NOPE.

There's ONE Gospel. Notice above that Paul says "our Gospel". Who ELSE besides Paul? The other Apostles, ALL teaching the SAME Gospel.

I would BET that you folks haven't even read ANY what I've posted. All you care about is defending your "seperate gospels" nonsense.

-How are we admitted INTO the future kingdom? By the Grace of God, through Belief, repentance and forgiveness of our sins.

-Barnabas took Paul to Jerusalem specifically to see if he was on the SAME PAGE as Peter and the rest of the Apostles.

-Jesus states that "THE Gospel" is to be preached to ALL the world. NOT "the GOSPELS" (plural - more than one). AND Jesus TOLD them to go to "all the world" -(Matthew 28:19)

...Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
...Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.
...Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
...Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
...Luke 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

-Revelation it's referred to as "the everlasting Gospel".
ONE Gospel - not plural gospels.

...Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

-Jesus main mission was to Israel, but yet He didn't refuse Gentiles. SAME Gospel to the Gentiles as to the Hebrews.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman / "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

You're missing the point. And John is mixing Jesus' "love one another" commandment with John 3:16.

IF we "Love one another" - it covers the last 6 of the Father's 10 Commandments. It's a simplified commandment.

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

I won't argue this with you anymore. Stick to the topic as posted in my OP or I'll give you the boot.

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