ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study

NOPE.

There's ONE Gospel. Notice above that Paul says "our Gospel". Who ELSE besides Paul? The other Apostles, ALL teaching the SAME Gospel.

I would BET that folks haven't even read ANY what I've posted. All you care about is defending your "seperate gospels" nonsense.

-How are we admitted INTO the future kingdom? By the Grace of God, through Belief, repentance and forgiveness of our sins.

-Barnabas took Paul to Jerusalem specifically to see if he was on the SAME PAGE as Peter and the rest of the Apostles.

-Jesus states that "THE Gospel" is to be preached to ALL the world. NOT "the GOSPELS" (plural - more than one). AND Jesus TOLD them to go to "all the world" -(Matthew 28:19)

...Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
...Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.
...Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
...Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
...Luke 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

-Revelation it's referred to as "the everlasting Gospel".
ONE Gospel - not plural gospels.

...Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

-Jesus main mission was to Israel, but yet He didn't refuse Gentiles. SAME Gospel to the Gentiles as to the Hebrews.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman / "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

Act 1:7-8 Jesus speaking

7 And he said unto them,

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons,

which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:

and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem,

and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,

and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

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Ephesians 4 is very clear One , One , One... That is why we are having correction time right now. To many Gospels , Moses taught what Daniel taught what John the Baptist taught , what Jesus taught what the Apostles taught.


Thanks for thread we are to avoid those of division...Romans 16

...they killed Jesus and rejected the priesthood... the priesthood had ZERO concept of the "dispensation of grace" revealed to only Paul...

"For this cause, I Paul am the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles.

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God, which is given me to youward,

3 That is, that God by revelation hath showed this mystery unto me (as I wrote above in few words,

4 Whereby when ye read, ye may know mine understanding in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not opened unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy Apostles and Prophets by the Spirit,"

Peter admits Pauls teaching are hard for him to comprehend...

"And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you.

16 As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction.

Peter had a hard time understanding Pauls message...why? if they are teaching the same message...

Please show me ONE instance where ANY of the 12 talk about the "body of Christ"...

The "great mystery" that was revealed was that Father God had a SON.

"12 priests"? Hogwash

Jesus told the Apostles to teach to "ALL the world".
That meant that EVERYTHING that Jesus taught would ALSO be taught.

Revelation CLEARLY states "everlasting Gospel".

That's ONE Gospel.

NOT "gospels".

You're the one who's been blinded by "man's doctrines" of "multiple gospels".

How is that "relevant"? It doesn't matter what terminology Paul used.

-Barnabas took Paul to Jerusalem specifically to see if he was on the SAME PAGE as Peter and the rest of the Apostles.

-How are we admitted INTO the future kingdom? By the Grace of God, through Belief, repentance and forgiveness of our sins.

-Revelation it's referred to as "the everlasting Gospel".
ONE Gospel - not plural gospels.

...Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

-Jesus main mission was to Israel, but yet He didn't refuse Gentiles. SAME Gospel to the Gentiles as to the Hebrews.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman / "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

Whose Gospel is it really that Paul is talking about?

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel
of Christ: for it is the power of God unto
salvation to every one that believeth; to
the Juu first, and also to the Greek.

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For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Paul was the apostle to Gentiles. He says it. He was given things not revealed to the other disciples. He actually understood what they were teaching better than they did. Christ revealed the age of Grace, the harpazo, no such thing as J-s or Gentiles in the body of Christ, the body of Christ....all of these things were revealed to Paul. He was teaching the other disciples. They were preaching salvation by the sacrifice of Christ to the J-s....the J-s had been looking for a person to rule the world.

Work cannot be combined with grace for saving us. That immediately nullifies the work of Christ on the cross and places the burden on us to be "good enough" to be saved. Paul said, thank God for Christ, I cannot do what I want to do.

The ten commandments were never given to us to be able to follow and make us holy. They were given as a mirror to show us how terrible we are and how we needed a savior.

A baby Christian may not grow hardly at all over a lifetime. God may work through them mightily, and all glory goes to God. The glory for the "law keeping" Christian....which doesn't actually exist, except in their prideful minds....that glory is all about how well they are doing.


God does work differently in different dispensation. He did miracles and signs and wonders in the OT and inspired the Scripture via men. Jesus came and died for our sin and did it all. The age of grace is about faith and resting in Christ and allowing God to work through us, the body of Christ. We add nothing to His work on the cross. When the Rapture happens, the body of Christ leaves and there will be signs and wonders and it will be saved by faith, but the Bible says explicitly to Christian's in that period, the Tribulation Saints, that if they take the mark of the Beast, they will not be saved. So faith plus works in that dispensation is a real thing.

If you can't read Paul's teachings plainly and rightly dovide like he tells us to in Timothy, then none of it makes much sense. This is why some have tried to call Paul a heretic and ignore him, etc. They want to work their way to heaven and be glorified. All glory is to Jesus Christ.

Indeed
Peter : 7After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days, God made a choice among you that the nations would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith.

10Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Please show me where ANY of the 12 mention the "body of Christ"

Antioch is where the followers of Paul were first called "Christian" why not the temple in Jerusalem...

Who does James address as being under the law... Israel

None of the 12 were given the mysteries... in fact, "Blindness in part has come unto the house of Israel until the fullness of the gentiles be come

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the Law, but under grace."

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the Law, but under grace? God forbid."

I'm under grace... NOT law...

So you're saying that the Gentiles that the OTHER Apostles taught recieved a DIFFERENT Gospel than those taught by Paul?

Pauline Bullshit.

The other Apostles ALSO taught Gentiles. Matthew went to Ethiopia and Thomas to the Far East. Peter and John, among others, went to some of the places Paul had taught.

The teachings would HAVE to be the SAME.

In ALL the places Paul taught, he went to the synagogues FIRST. Scripture PROVES this. Verses to prove my point about synagogues....

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Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19

Paul taught the SAME things as the other Apostles.

Thread: To Understand Paul - His Letters Don't Tell Us All of What He Originally Preached - Bible Study

You folks can't argue against the fact of ONE Gospel.

Scripture PROVES it.

Instead of merely POST your Pauline DOCTRINE, go back and READ the scriptural things that I have posted...

...THEN TRY to refute them.

Gospel-
a thing that is absolutely true:

synonyms
the truth, the whole truth, the naked truth, gospel truth, God's truth, ...

antonyms
a lie


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Romans 10
"For everyone who will call the name of THE LORD JEHOVAH shall be saved." *

14Therefore, how would they call to This One unless they believed in him, or how would they believe him unless they heard him, or how would they hear without a preacher?

15Or how will they preach, unless they will be sent, as it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of The Messengers of peace and of The Messengers of good things!"...

...18But I say, "Have they not heard?", and, "Behold, their report has gone out into all The Earth and their words to the ends of the world.'"


Joel 2:32

32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved;+
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape,+ just as Jehovah has said,
The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

Zephaniah 3:9

9 For then I will change the language of the peoples to a pure language,
So that all of them may call on the name of Jehovah,
To serve him shoulder to shoulder.’*+

Acts 2:21

21 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”’+

You Pauline folks like to bring up this verse to defend your stances on doctrine.

It fails miserably.

First off, the only scripture that existed in Paul's (Biblical ) days was the Old Testament and other writings.

Rightly dividing what exactly?

Pretty much all of them are a "mixture" of...

1. History - roughly 4000 years of God's interaction with mankind.
2. Father God's "directions" given to the prophets for the CURRENT times.
3. Father God's "prophecies" given to the prophets for the FUTURE times.

The New Testament is can be divided similarly.

1. History - about 100 years from the birth of Jesus to John's writing of Revelation.
2. Jesus' "parables" - teachings to the general public.
3. Jesus' explanations of the parables to the Apostles & other disciples.
4. Jesus' prophecies of the "end times".
5. Writings of the Apostles after Jesus' death.

Paul's teachings to Gentiles would HAVE to be the SAME as what the other Apostles taught.

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"Body of Christ" is merely a phrase that Paul coined. The phrase is NOT necessary for teaching Salvation.
And if you think that ONLY Gentiles make up the "body of Christ", you are sadly mistaken.

Mysteries?

Jesus told the Apostles...

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

You think the 10 Commandments DO NOT APPLY to Gentiles?

Paul - 1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

1 John 2

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

who was Jesus addressing in his earthly ministry...

"Now I say, that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision, for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers."

I don't see anything in there to the gentiles... do you?

NONSENSE.

And can you NOT SEE that the writing there by Paul were EARLY - BEFORE he went to Jerusalem?

Paul went to Jerusalem...and Peter agreed that circumcision WAS NOT necessary, and pointed out his OWN experience.

Read the end of Acts 10 and the beginning of Acts 11.

At Pentecost 33 CE
Acts 2
5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem dzewws, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
6 And when this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speaking in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying, Behold, are not all these that speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia, 10 in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both dzewws, and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God.

"Into all the earth their sound had gone out" as Romans 10 says , quoting OT, as does practically every word in that chapter. And the result when holy spirit was first poured out , there were devout , faithful dzewws and proselytes from EVERYWHERE, who already knew the scriptures and immediately were able to hear in their own languages, how Jesus had fulfilled The Law and Prophets.

the word of GOD is not nonsense... show me were Peter, or any of the 12, state that you are saved by FAITH ALONE... show me where Jesus told the priesthood they were saved by faith alone... Paul, and only Paul, gives us this revelation from an ascended Jesus...the dispensation of grace...
I'll wait...

...and Peter addresses these people as "ye men of Israel"...
see any mention of gentiles in there...

Either include book/chapter/verse #'s or I will BAN you.

Yet how is it that we are "graffed into Israel"?
We surely do NOT replace them.
And the "Good News" was taught to ALL.

Jesus denied / refused NO ONE.

The "crumbs" / Caananite woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

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Jesus tells the Apostles several times that "the Gospel" is to be preached to all the world.
That would include Gentiles.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Your Paulinistic arrogance is starting to show.

Whose "grace" is it?
Father God's.

Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Faith alone? What do you suppose "fruits" are?
The works done AFTER receiving salvation and the Holy Spirit.
What works?

The WILL of the Father - just as Jesus taught.



Yet Jesus TOLD the Apostles to preach the Gospel to ALL the world.

You KNOW the verses.

Not the same Gospel?

John TAUGHT WITH Paul for a while - see Acts 13.

5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Je-ws: and they had also John to their minister.

Paul did not teach the "gentiles"
As you stated, he went to the synagogues... in the nations ...

Acts 9:15 better translation that I have read analysing the koine Greek
"Sent to ththe kings and sons of Israel in the nations"

The made up English word "gentiles" I believe has led to this 'two gospel' belief

Where does the Bible say that the other disciples were "amazed" about Paul?

It doesn't.

There is no pre-trib rapture. Read what Jesus said. He returns AFTER the tribulation.

Paul wasn't the ONLY person who taught Gentiles. John traveled with Paul for a while - end of Acts 12 > Acts 13. Matthew went as far as Ethopia - Thomas to the Far East. Several of the Apostles also went to places that Paul originally went to.

Jesus tells the Apostles several times that "the Gospel" is to be preached to all the world.
That would include Gentiles.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....

Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Mark 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

I don't "refuse" Paul.
He originally taught the SAME things the other Apostles did.

Thread: To Understand Paul - His Letters Don't Tell Us All of What He Originally Preached - Bible Study

NOPE.

READ the SCRIPTURES. ALL of them.

Not just Paul.

I refuse to idolize Paul.

That's why so many folks are lost these days.
People take Paul's words over what Jesus actually says.

And idiots like you don't even bother addressing the topic at hand - nor the scriptural argument I show.

All you do is make persoanl accusations.

Even Paul says there's ONE Gospel

Galatians 1:6-10 King James Version (KJV)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Paul said the restrainer has to be removed before the antichrist can appear. The restrainer is the Holy Spirit in born again believers.

Thess 2:6-7

6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 

7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

Jesus is coming after the Tribulation. To destroy the antichrist and his armies and judge the world. The harpazo, ie rapture, Paul taught happens before the antichrist can come into power. The harpazo is Christians disappearing (the blink of an eye) and meeting Christ in the sky, and having a 7 year wedding feast. We are the bride of Christ. We are not meant for wrath, either.

Thess 5:9

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Paul is clearly teaching a pre trib rapture. No disputing it. And to say you listen to what Christ taught, not Paul, is nonsense, as Paul was taught directly by Christ and all of the apostles accepted him and Paul knew more of the coming age than they did.

Yes Jesus did say to preach the Gospel to the whole world. The disciples that had been with Him were converting the J--s. Paul was converted on the road to Damascus and taught directly by Christ, taken into the third heaven, shown things the others had not seen. From Christ. It isn't a different gospel, Paul simply fleshes it out. Paul was a genius and a scholar, Jesus used Paul as his mouthpiece for more revelation. All of the apostles loved Paul and called him disciple. So you are disputing Jesus calling it "Pauline garbage" or whatever you are trying to do. It is from Jesus Christ.

If you believe the harpazo happens at the same time as the Trib, that is not a salvation issue, and it should not divide the body of Christ. You are causing major division with your attitude and how you are acting. I am not mad at you. But try just debating with facts and love and kindness, rather than anger and pride.

Christians were divided centuries ago with the "Pauline" nonsense that has invaded the minds of Believers. It's the interpretation of Paul's words - when they are NOT compared to what Jesus says - that causes the problems.

Pauline folks do it constantly.
The "2 gospels" nonsense is just one of several.
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Both Jesus and Paul state that there are Believers STILL on earth when Jesus comes back. Believers WILL go through tribulation but NOT WRATH.

Paul NEVER says we avoid tribulation. Jesus states PLAINLY that we will see tribulation.

Let's compare these passages.

1 Thessalonians

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Notice that Verse 16 is pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in His FOUR Gospel descriptions.

Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

One final note about ONE Gospel.

Some of you think that there's 2 gospels.

1. Gospel of the kingdom
2. Gospel of grace

Consider this - and see just how SIMPLE things really are.

Q HOW do we gain entrance into the kingdom of God?
A By the GRACE of God. Faith, Belief, Repent & Baptise

Q What does God's GRACE give us?
A Entrance INTO the kingdom of God