Moon Hoax Evidence Analysis | |
hotdogg
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Tour Guide
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Werwolf
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75169334 United States 08/18/2018 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...just ignorance, misinterpretation of the photos, and willful negligence. Author doesn't understand squat about Apollo hardware, and has no interest nor desire to learn. Quoting: hotdogg Unfortunate... You're right. When people challenge evidence of a moon landing, it generally takes about five minutes of online searching to refute their objections. It doesn't matter, though, when you give them the facts, they just don't care. |
Wayfaring Stranger
User ID: 76285781 Canada 08/18/2018 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the 'mini-craters' the object that made them should be in the bottom of the hole rather than vaporizing itself so there is nothing in the hole that was created. None of the rocks show any trace of having rolled to a stop that should have left a trail in the dust that was already on the ground. Some navigation software should be able to use the location and the time to determine if the shadows are pointing in the right direction and are the right length. |
Tour Guide
User ID: 70534200 United States 08/18/2018 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With the fine dust being about 2" deep in all the photos and it originally fell as 'snow' everything should be covered. That means all the rocks sticking out of the dust. They are dust free, is the vid below an example of how the rocks were 'exposed'. Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger In the 'mini-craters' the object that made them should be in the bottom of the hole rather than vaporizing itself so there is nothing in the hole that was created. None of the rocks show any trace of having rolled to a stop that should have left a trail in the dust that was already on the ground. Some navigation software should be able to use the location and the time to determine if the shadows are pointing in the right direction and are the right length. I doubt that there was that much trouble going into this The Sunlight Demands Your Reflection |
Wayfaring Stranger
User ID: 76285781 Canada 08/18/2018 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can take comfort in knowing that somewhere this conversion took place because of you. ' . . . and then he started throwing that logic shit at me, what could I do, I bailed, . . .' 'That Bastard, I hate it when 'they' do that.' |
hotdogg
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Markmer
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hotdogg
User ID: 76788570 United States 08/18/2018 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do the hoaxies really expect billowing clouds of dust in a vacuum??? They really need to get their research skills together. Quoting: hotdogg Yes, and you have your research skills in place as, I'm sure, you just researched and tested rocket propulsion in a vacuum. Please post your results! hint...exhaust overexpansion in a vacuum. Also, remember that the LM descent stage had little fuel (aka "mass) in it's descent stage tanks at landing, so was much lighter (requiring much less thrust) than when it initiated the descent burn. |
zepa
User ID: 76809982 United Kingdom 08/18/2018 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As ive said before The photos are the best proof The un processed film managed to get from earth,through the van allen belts twice and on occasion survived for 8 hours on the moon in nothing more than a thin aluminium box and was able to evade any radiation whatsoever Un processed film is hyper sensitive to radiation,they still use it to guage exposure to in today. It leaves a distinctive fogging on the film once processed. At best they had to fake the photos as the real film didnt make it to the moon and back.Remember the crew said they could see flashes in their eys even when closed.Well that same radiation was utterly destroying the film before it was used. Its only resistant to radiation once its processed. They didnt take a photo lab with them |
zepa
User ID: 76809982 United Kingdom 08/18/2018 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know this as i spent decades in a photo lab and have seen first had what air port security can do to un processed film Or we are to believe that the van allen belts and direct exposure to the sun wouldnt result in any exposure to radiation whatsoever Not one single frame shows any,remember they released every photo In every trip at no time did something hyper sensitive to radiation encounter any. The excuse they use is that they used a type of film thats has a low iso thats resistant to it but youll find its bollocks intended to fool someone that didnt work with the very same film for years |
Markmer
User ID: 46775474 United States 08/18/2018 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do the hoaxies really expect billowing clouds of dust in a vacuum??? They really need to get their research skills together. Quoting: hotdogg Yes, and you have your research skills in place as, I'm sure, you just researched and tested rocket propulsion in a vacuum. Please post your results! hint...exhaust overexpansion in a vacuum. Also, remember that the LM descent stage had little fuel (aka "mass) in it's descent stage tanks at landing, so was much lighter (requiring much less thrust) than when it initiated the descent burn. do the hoaxies really expect billowing clouds of dust in a vacuum??? They really need to get their research skills together. Quoting: hotdogg Yes, and you have your research skills in place as, I'm sure, you just researched and tested rocket propulsion in a vacuum. Please post your results! hint...exhaust overexpansion in a vacuum. Also, remember that the LM descent stage had little fuel (aka "mass) in it's descent stage tanks at landing, so was much lighter (requiring much less thrust) than when it initiated the descent burn. hint...once in the vacuum of space thrust is physically impossible since exhaust molecules must collide with other molecules in place to overcome inertia and propel the so called module in a direction. Overexpansion of gas is impossible in a vacuum!! |
Baal Molech
User ID: 71318064 United States 08/18/2018 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...just ignorance, misinterpretation of the photos, and willful negligence. Author doesn't understand squat about Apollo hardware, and has no interest nor desire to learn. Quoting: hotdogg Unfortunate... ...neither do you, yet you ignorantly defend it as truth...blatant hypocrisy... "I'm more concerned with knowing the truth than feeling good about it." "War is when the government tells you who the enemy is, revolution is when you figure it out yourself." "Being a visionary is a blessing and a curse...you're blessed to see what other people can't, but cursed to sit in it alone" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75169334 United States 08/18/2018 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hint...once in the vacuum of space thrust is physically impossible since exhaust molecules must collide with other molecules in place to overcome inertia and propel the so called module in a direction. Overexpansion of gas is impossible in a vacuum!! Quoting: Markmer You don't understand basic physics. The thrust is generated by pushing against the interior of the engine's combustion chamber. You've been told this before, but you are again showing us your willful ignorance. |
LHP598
User ID: 76679244 United States 08/18/2018 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As ive said before Quoting: zepa The photos are the best proof The un processed film managed to get from earth,through the van allen belts twice and on occasion survived for 8 hours on the moon in nothing more than a thin aluminium box and was able to evade any radiation whatsoever Un processed film is hyper sensitive to radiation,they still use it to guage exposure to in today. It leaves a distinctive fogging on the film once processed. At best they had to fake the photos as the real film didnt make it to the moon and back.Remember the crew said they could see flashes in their eys even when closed.Well that same radiation was utterly destroying the film before it was used. Its only resistant to radiation once its processed. They didnt take a photo lab with them Quantify the radiation you think it should have been exposed to. You'd be the first. If you don't, then all you have is handwaving. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
zepa
User ID: 76809982 United Kingdom 08/18/2018 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Un exposed film is currently used in any application where people are close to radiation Its a nice cheap way to show just how much a person has been exposed too [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] The dosage isnt relivant,un exposed film is very sensitive to radiation.If the crew could see high energy particles in there eyes while shut im guessing high energy particles were passing though the craft and every thing inside.An order of maginitude isnt relivant. Like i said at no point in the whole time any craft that visited the moon did a single frame of film,wether it was inside the craft or strapped to a person on the moon did a single frame of film encounter either a single high energy particle or any radiation whatsoever. Not a single frame Something which occums razor dictates isnt plausable |
Markmer
User ID: 46775474 United States 08/18/2018 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hint...once in the vacuum of space thrust is physically impossible since exhaust molecules must collide with other molecules in place to overcome inertia and propel the so called module in a direction. Overexpansion of gas is impossible in a vacuum!! Quoting: Markmer You don't understand basic physics. The thrust is generated by pushing against the interior of the engine's combustion chamber. You've been told this before, but you are again showing us your willful ignorance. Perhaps it is ignorance, but not willful! So let me understand then, the module is thrust forward by the gases pushing on the engine chamber which is attached intimately to the lunar module and thus the engine itself so by pushing on my back with my hand I can generate forward momentum in my body. And I don't understand basic physics! Get a balloon, blow it up, let it go. Well, a smart guy like you knows what happens! Put a piece of cardboard attached to balloon over where the air exits and observe the balloon remain where it is! |
zepa
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zepa
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LHP598
User ID: 76679244 United States 08/18/2018 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Un exposed film is currently used in any application where people are close to radiation Quoting: zepa Its a nice cheap way to show just how much a person has been exposed too [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] The dosage isnt relivant,un exposed film is very sensitive to radiation.If the crew could see high energy particles in there eyes while shut im guessing high energy particles were passing though the craft and every thing inside.An order of maginitude isnt relivant. Like i said at no point in the whole time any craft that visited the moon did a single frame of film,wether it was inside the craft or strapped to a person on the moon did a single frame of film encounter either a single high energy particle or any radiation whatsoever. Not a single frame Something which occums razor dictates isnt plausable so you can't quantify it then. And I guarantee that you haven't seen every frame to know that none encountered any radiation. Nor have you investigated what protection it did have. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
LHP598
User ID: 76679244 United States 08/18/2018 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dont get me wrong,i still think they went to the moon Quoting: zepa I just think they fooked up the photos and out of embarrassment had to fake them. And were forced to carry it on afterwards Its not like they could go back and take them again lol And yet they had pics available within days of landing that matched the video that had been broadcast. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
LHP598
User ID: 76679244 United States 08/18/2018 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hint...once in the vacuum of space thrust is physically impossible since exhaust molecules must collide with other molecules in place to overcome inertia and propel the so called module in a direction. Overexpansion of gas is impossible in a vacuum!! Quoting: Markmer You don't understand basic physics. The thrust is generated by pushing against the interior of the engine's combustion chamber. You've been told this before, but you are again showing us your willful ignorance. Perhaps it is ignorance, but not willful! So let me understand then, the module is thrust forward by the gases pushing on the engine chamber which is attached intimately to the lunar module and thus the engine itself so by pushing on my back with my hand I can generate forward momentum in my body. And I don't understand basic physics! Get a balloon, blow it up, let it go. Well, a smart guy like you knows what happens! Put a piece of cardboard attached to balloon over where the air exits and observe the balloon remain where it is! If the cardboard is attached to the balloon, yes. Because it then directs the force to the sides. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
zepa
User ID: 76809982 United Kingdom 08/19/2018 05:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Un exposed film is currently used in any application where people are close to radiation Quoting: zepa Its a nice cheap way to show just how much a person has been exposed too [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] The dosage isnt relivant,un exposed film is very sensitive to radiation.If the crew could see high energy particles in there eyes while shut im guessing high energy particles were passing though the craft and every thing inside.An order of maginitude isnt relivant. Like i said at no point in the whole time any craft that visited the moon did a single frame of film,wether it was inside the craft or strapped to a person on the moon did a single frame of film encounter either a single high energy particle or any radiation whatsoever. Not a single frame Something which occums razor dictates isnt plausable so you can't quantify it then. And I guarantee that you haven't seen every frame to know that none encountered any radiation. Nor have you investigated what protection it did have. Well i can see by the pictures taken that the cameras they used were strapped to the front of the space suit.You can also go see the actual camera.Its exactly the same model thats still popular today but they had a special lens made for focusing with gloves on. The film is held in a small aluminium box about 3x2 inch ish,since we have evidence some radiation was passing through the entire craft im guessing it would also pass through this box.The exact same setup wont protect your film from airport scanners since ive seen the results.We can also be sure the film on occasion spent 8 hours on the surface of the moon strapped to the front of a suit.Are we to believe that no radiation would be present on the moon ? And that a thin aluminium box would be able to protect the film from the temperature fluxuations present,it didnt have any cooling whatsoever in the camera. It would also mean since the film is held in a roll inside the case any radiation would have fogged the entire roll. But lets ignore the basic facts and focus on magnitude,its impossible that the film didnt encounter radiation when the crew did |
zepa
User ID: 76809982 United Kingdom 08/19/2018 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dont get me wrong,i still think they went to the moon Quoting: zepa I just think they fooked up the photos and out of embarrassment had to fake them. And were forced to carry it on afterwards Its not like they could go back and take them again lol And yet they had pics available within days of landing that matched the video that had been broadcast. The video that was broadcast was of such low quality im betting you could just about do anything and get away with it. Im guessing youve never actualy worked in a photo lab and have no idea what your talking about when it comes to the handeling of unexposed film |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD
User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 08/19/2018 06:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The un processed film managed to get from earth,through the van allen belts twice and on occasion survived for 8 hours on the moon in nothing more than a thin aluminium box and was able to evade any radiation whatsoever Quoting: zepa Since there is radiation everywhere you've just declared photography an impossibility. The exact same setup wont protect your film from airport scanners since ive seen the results. Quoting: zepa Pray tell, what type of radiation do those scanners use? At which energies and fluxes? Are you even aware that there are several types of radiation? But lets ignore the basic facts and focus on magnitude,its impossible that the film didnt encounter radiation when the crew did Quoting: zepa You are claiming that quantity A (the radiation exposure of the film) was larger than quantity B (the shielding) yet YOU FAILED TO MENTION ANY NUMBERS. IOW you don't actually have any facts, basic or otherwise, you're just making shit up. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
LHP598
User ID: 76679244 United States 08/19/2018 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dont get me wrong,i still think they went to the moon Quoting: zepa I just think they fooked up the photos and out of embarrassment had to fake them. And were forced to carry it on afterwards Its not like they could go back and take them again lol And yet they had pics available within days of landing that matched the video that had been broadcast. The video that was broadcast was of such low quality im betting you could just about do anything and get away with it. Im guessing youve never actualy worked in a photo lab and have no idea what your talking about when it comes to the handeling of unexposed film Thank you for proving you've never looked at much of the video. Only Apollo 11 was low quality. The video from every other mission including the video from inside the spacecraft was all far better. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
LHP598
User ID: 76679244 United States 08/19/2018 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Un exposed film is currently used in any application where people are close to radiation Quoting: zepa Its a nice cheap way to show just how much a person has been exposed too [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] The dosage isnt relivant,un exposed film is very sensitive to radiation.If the crew could see high energy particles in there eyes while shut im guessing high energy particles were passing though the craft and every thing inside.An order of maginitude isnt relivant. Like i said at no point in the whole time any craft that visited the moon did a single frame of film,wether it was inside the craft or strapped to a person on the moon did a single frame of film encounter either a single high energy particle or any radiation whatsoever. Not a single frame Something which occums razor dictates isnt plausable so you can't quantify it then. And I guarantee that you haven't seen every frame to know that none encountered any radiation. Nor have you investigated what protection it did have. Well i can see by the pictures taken that the cameras they used were strapped to the front of the space suit.You can also go see the actual camera.Its exactly the same model thats still popular today but they had a special lens made for focusing with gloves on. The film is held in a small aluminium box about 3x2 inch ish,since we have evidence some radiation was passing through the entire craft im guessing it would also pass through this box.The exact same setup wont protect your film from airport scanners since ive seen the results.We can also be sure the film on occasion spent 8 hours on the surface of the moon strapped to the front of a suit.Are we to believe that no radiation would be present on the moon ? And that a thin aluminium box would be able to protect the film from the temperature fluxuations present,it didnt have any cooling whatsoever in the camera. It would also mean since the film is held in a roll inside the case any radiation would have fogged the entire roll. But lets ignore the basic facts and focus on magnitude,its impossible that the film didnt encounter radiation when the crew did and still no quantification of the radiation expected. I never said no radiation was expected. I'm asking YOU to quantify what and how much YOU say there should be because YOU say what they had shouldn't work. YOU have failed. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75169334 United States 08/19/2018 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and still no quantification of the radiation expected. I never said no radiation was expected. I'm asking YOU to quantify what and how much YOU say there should be because YOU say what they had shouldn't work. YOU have failed. Quoting: LHP598 That's the way the space deniers roll. They sit around, coming up with dumb assumptions, because they once worked in a photo lab. From what research I've done, leads me to guess that NASA had no difficulty protecting the undeveloped film. The assumption that space is overwhelmed with high levels of radiation, comparable to an airport scanner, is false. |
TheSep
User ID: 75043100 United States 08/19/2018 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I hate to be on the hoax bandwagon BUT........... Why else have we lost the ability to go to the moon? Can we really buy the fact that the rocket designers did not keep notes? Horseshit! I think they maybe got as far as orbiting the moon but they never "landed" If they did it in the 60s There should be 0 problem with it today.. That would be the argument I would use.. If i was apart of this hoax stuff... TheSep I came i saw i commented! |