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THE SOLUTION TO VOTER FRAUD has been Identified! Voting Could Change Forever! -WE MUST DEMAND BLOCKCHAIN VOTING. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FAIR VOTING

 
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People loose their crypto wallets all the time through philshing and other identity theft methods, which democrats use to steal elections, and this would NOT be solved by blockchain at all. I see legit people going to vote only to realize they can't because someone already voted for them.
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This OP's posts in this thread read like an infomercial.
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People loose their crypto wallets all the time through philshing and other identity theft methods, which democrats use to steal elections, and this would NOT be solved by blockchain at all. I see legit people going to vote only to realize they can't because someone already voted for them.
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Blockchain would make it PUBLIC knowledge if someone else voted for you. You could invalidate the vote and make a new digital signature. Registration could be done with fingerprints/iris scan. It's not like losing all your crypto funds. Right now it's all behind closed doors, you think that's better? Our current system is trash.
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If there were 3.5m more registered voters than adults alive in the USA.. then also think about the fact that not every adult votes either.. so A LOT more than 3.5 millions of those registered voters are fraudulent.
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Exactly.

GLP REALLY needs to come together and promote the Apollo blockchain to replace government voting.

It can verify if voters are alive
if voter counts are above current registered voters, or above current adult count for the city/county/state
It reduces voter fraud potential to ZERO
Alleviates the potential for any illegals to vote (unless they've stolen someones ID, which the blockchain would be able to identify if people wanted it that way)
NOT TO MENTION THIS COULD BE USED IMMEDIATELY FOR THE MIDTERMS. There is allllmost no setting up required



THERE IS SO MUCH REASON TO PROMOTE THIS BLOCKCHAIN, AND VOTING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON. Please advertise it. The democracy, I mean the REPUBLIC depends on it!
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Have you Tweeted this info to POTUS? Also call White House comment line (202)456-1111 M-F 9-4 EST And call your Congressman/Senator/Governor, unless they are libtards
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If there were 3.5m more registered voters than adults alive in the USA.. then also think about the fact that not every adult votes either.. so A LOT more than 3.5 millions of those registered voters are fraudulent.
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Have you Tweeted this info to POTUS? Also call White House comment line (202)456-1111 M-F 9-4 EST And call your Congressman/Senator/Governor, unless they are libtards
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The above is an excerpt from the thread Thread: U.S. Has 3.5 Million More Registered Voters Than Live Adults — A Red Flag For Electoral Fraud (Page 2)


The Apollo foundations Blockchain was created with voting in mind. Being based on a blockchain, it's literally impossible to fool the system. Perimeters can be set to fully and effectively reduce potential for double voting, entirely destroy any attempt for dead people to 'cast votes,' for the entirety of the future. It would never allow more people to vote than are actually registered. It can be set up and save taxpayers TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars every voting season, as the blockchain would literally do all of the work for the people. If enough people share it, it WILL be noticed by POTUS, and you KNOW he wants a fair voting system. He always talks about wanting the power to be in the hands of the people, WELL THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW HIM WHAT PEOPLE WANT FOR THE FUTURE.

..and all anyone ever has to do to help set this voting system in place, is sharing about it. Tell people in person and tell people online. Every comment you leave WILL make an impact of some sort!

If we can collectively get this voting system in place for our country, it could be one of Trumps most long-standing and irrefutably beneficial actions of his entire presidency, I believe. Voter Fraud has been common ever since the US was nothing more than a group of colonies, so we can confidently say that voter fraud has been around for hundreds of years. It is only NOW that technology and society have lined up perfectly for the implementation of a new, effective, fool proof form of voting.

This is IT. The solution to voter fraud is upon us. And all we have to do is tell enough people about it, and as seen above, it could help to call our senators and tell them /their staff directly!

As Dr. Fraud so compassionately put it, it's our civic duties to spread this information to help preserve our Republic.
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Seems to me the solution is paper ballots and organizations based upon precinct that allow every voter to self check the accuracy of their vote.


Only one side needs authentication, then compared to a list of actual, living voters fraud can be identified.
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Blockchain would make it PUBLIC knowledge if someone else voted for you. You could invalidate the vote and make a new digital signature. Registration could be done with fingerprints/iris scan. It's not like losing all your crypto funds. Right now it's all behind closed doors, you think that's better? Our current system is trash.
 Quoting: 444888


You think they can't hack/fake iris/fingerpint scans? If you can invalidate the vote, someone pretending to be you could invalidate your vote too.

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Blockchain would make it PUBLIC knowledge if someone else voted for you. You could invalidate the vote and make a new digital signature. Registration could be done with fingerprints/iris scan. It's not like losing all your crypto funds. Right now it's all behind closed doors, you think that's better? Our current system is trash.
 Quoting: 444888


You think they can't hack/fake iris/fingerpint scans? If you can invalidate the vote, someone pretending to be you could invalidate your vote too.
 Quoting: Weyoun


And we would know about it because it's public... everyone would complain that's it not working, prompting a system upgrade. It's a lot harder to hack the scans than throw my vote in the wrong pile lol

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Apollo you say? Like Apollo the destroyer? Or a “Beast” system potentially?

No thanks.....a very simple solution is Required ID for voting

If you need ID for anything else why not Voting? FRAUD
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And we would know about it because it's public... everyone would complain that's it not working, prompting a system upgrade. It's a lot harder to hack the scans than throw my vote in the wrong pile lol
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So basically you'd end up with a bunch of invalidated elections and votes, and no one not knowing who's the real voter or fake voter, which vote was casted by the real or fake voter, and if it was invalidated by a real or fake voter, and we are back to square one. So much for a fool proof system.

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I don't get why we can't use state or federal ID's for voter verifying?
It's not an invassion of privacy, because if you're registered to vote, your name, address, and what party you're registered as, are all in a public database. So how does verifying someone with their state ID a privacy invasion? (or whatever type of rights invasion that's been given as a reason to not use ID's for voting?)
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It doesn't, requiring ID to vote is a form of defense against voter fraud.
But having people flash an ID card at voting still doesn't prove they are actual citizens, nor does it prove those people on the ID cards are still alive. This link shows some good examples of what types of voter fraud are common, provable, and many which can be completely avoided with the apollo blockchain solution.

[link to www.heritage.org (secure)]

The blockchain solution would only allow people who are legal, registered, LIVING citizens to vote, which in of itself already makes the voting ecosystem MANY x safer (honest) than simply asking someone to show an ID card as there are not many fail safes against dead people voting, especially fail-safes that would immediately identify if someones ID card belongs to a deceased individual.

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This OP's posts in this thread read like an infomercial.
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Sigh, I get that about a lot of topics I speak about and believe in. I do, however, tend to publicly differentiate my opinions from objective facts.
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I don't get why we can't use state or federal ID's for voter verifying?
It's not an invassion of privacy, because if you're registered to vote, your name, address, and what party you're registered as, are all in a public database. So how does verifying someone with their state ID a privacy invasion? (or whatever type of rights invasion that's been given as a reason to not use ID's for voting?)
 Quoting: BremertonHardcorePunk


It doesn't, requiring ID to vote is a form of defense against voter fraud.
But having people flash an ID card at voting still doesn't prove they are actual citizens, nor does it prove those people on the ID cards are still alive. This link shows some good examples of what types of voter fraud are common, provable, and many which can be completely avoided with the apollo blockchain solution.

[link to www.heritage.org (secure)]

The blockchain solution would only allow people who are legal, registered, LIVING citizens to vote, which in of itself already makes the voting ecosystem MANY x safer (honest) than simply asking someone to show an ID card as there are not many fail safes against dead people voting, especially fail-safes that would immediately identify if someones ID card belongs to a deceased individual.
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The current problem is the voter databases are filled with dead people. If your block chain is running ID against a broken database, it will still product erroneous results. Since the identities of American citizens and whether they are dead or alive is solely dependent on government (that is, the government registers/documents such citizenships and records who is dead or alive), any corrupt government official with enough credentials can input fake data into those databases, such as Osama's fake birth certificate. The problem remains unsolved. It also does not solve the problem of, for example, an illegal alien posing as a real live American citizen by stealing the identity through philshing or other criminal means. Unless you want people to subject to DNA blood tests everytime they vote, but then some democrats will pull off a Gattaca and defeat that as well.

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Blockchain would make it PUBLIC knowledge if someone else voted for you. You could invalidate the vote and make a new digital signature. Registration could be done with fingerprints/iris scan. It's not like losing all your crypto funds. Right now it's all behind closed doors, you think that's better? Our current system is trash.
 Quoting: 444888


You think they can't hack/fake iris/fingerpint scans? If you can invalidate the vote, someone pretending to be you could invalidate your vote too.
 Quoting: Weyoun


There are many ways around this as well, including each individual being given a random computer generated HASH to enter at the time of voting. We're getting into some technical aspects here that I'm not fully versed on, so I won't be able to supply educated responses against all oppositions.

I can say, however, that when it comes to the premier voting system we have at our disposal, this blockchain solution is seemingly still, by far, superior to any voting structure that has existed to date. There is no objection people could have to this blockchain solution that isn't already an issue/objection with modern voting systems. The blockchain simply minimizes fraud vectors in almost every direction. Of course, if we can develop a list of all weaknesses of blockchain voting, who is to say an intelligent think tank wouldn't be able to create a publicly accepted version of a patch or cure to such issues?

I fully believe in blockchain voting and have full confidence in its ability to create the most fair & honest voting system in existence. (On Earth, that is.)
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I don't get why we can't use state or federal ID's for voter verifying?
It's not an invassion of privacy, because if you're registered to vote, your name, address, and what party you're registered as, are all in a public database. So how does verifying someone with their state ID a privacy invasion? (or whatever type of rights invasion that's been given as a reason to not use ID's for voting?)
 Quoting: BremertonHardcorePunk


It doesn't, requiring ID to vote is a form of defense against voter fraud.
But having people flash an ID card at voting still doesn't prove they are actual citizens, nor does it prove those people on the ID cards are still alive. This link shows some good examples of what types of voter fraud are common, provable, and many which can be completely avoided with the apollo blockchain solution.

[link to www.heritage.org (secure)]

The blockchain solution would only allow people who are legal, registered, LIVING citizens to vote, which in of itself already makes the voting ecosystem MANY x safer (honest) than simply asking someone to show an ID card as there are not many fail safes against dead people voting, especially fail-safes that would immediately identify if someones ID card belongs to a deceased individual.
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The current problem is the voter databases are filled with dead people. If your block chain is running ID against a broken database, it will still product erroneous results. Since the identities of American citizens and whether they are dead or alive is solely dependent on government (that is, the government registers/documents such citizenships and records who is dead or alive), any corrupt government official with enough credentials and input fake data into those databases, such as Osama's fake birth certificate. The problem remains unsolved. It also does not solve the problem of, for example, and illegal alien posing as a real live American citizen by stealing the identity through philshing or other criminal means. Unless you want people to subject to DNA blood tests everytime they vote, but then some democrats will pull off a Gattaca and defeat that as well.
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This is one of the best parts about the blockchain. Where traditional databases don't have a box that says, 'this person is dead so don't count the vote,' the apollo blockchain CAN do this flawlessly. The only cases where this wouldn't work would be when someone dies after registering to vote, but before the voting itself. Someone would be able to cast the vote for that person just like with all other traditional voting methods.

I don't assume the apollo blockchain would be updated live as people leave this Earth, but I do assume it would run updates quite often to keep the information as 'live' as possible, particular in regards to its voting functions, and ESPECIALLY in the weeks/months leading up to a major vote. Any newly deceased people could be 'redefined' in the blockchain as to disallow any votes to be accepted from the deceased personnel.

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Guys your comments have been awesome here. Thank you all for the great conversation, opinions, and insights! Please keep it up. We NEED to upgrade our voting system, so these conversations are extremely valuable towards our solution.
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There are many ways around this as well, including each individual being given a random computer generated HASH to enter at the time of voting. We're getting into some technical aspects here that I'm not fully versed on, so I won't be able to supply educated responses against all oppositions.
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This HASH can still be swiped through philshing, such as a fake terminal installed over a real terminal or other such criminal activity, like credit card copiers which is a rampant problem. Even with the strongest encryption, if the private key is stolen through criminal activity, the encryption is killed. If someone finds out they got their key stolen and asks for new one, then you run into the problem of someone pretending to be someone who go their key stolen which also happens with credit card scammers who social engineer credit card issuers. By the time all this gets resolved somehow, the election is over and the person's false vote is counted or the real person just never gets his vote counted.

I can say, however, that when it comes to the premier voting system we have at our disposal, this blockchain solution is seemingly still, by far, superior to any voting structure that has existed to date. There is no objection people could have to this blockchain solution that isn't already an issue/objection with modern voting systems. The blockchain simply minimizes fraud vectors in almost every direction. Of course, if we can develop a list of all weaknesses of blockchain voting, who is to say an intelligent think tank wouldn't be able to create a publicly accepted version of a patch or cure to such issues?
 Quoting: graff2


Any think thank can and will be infiltrated and corrupted just like the "think tank" called the government we have now. Same old problem.

I fully believe in blockchain voting and have full confidence in its ability to create the most fair & honest voting system in existence. (On Earth, that is.)
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It still relies on people to trust some authority over the whole system and databases which can and will be corrupted. We know the silicon valley big shots who will all buy their stake in this are communist as hell. You can try to start with a "pure" system but once politicians touch it, it is screwed.
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I don't get why we can't use state or federal ID's for voter verifying?
It's not an invassion of privacy, because if you're registered to vote, your name, address, and what party you're registered as, are all in a public database. So how does verifying someone with their state ID a privacy invasion? (or whatever type of rights invasion that's been given as a reason to not use ID's for voting?)
 Quoting: BremertonHardcorePunk


It doesn't, requiring ID to vote is a form of defense against voter fraud.
But having people flash an ID card at voting still doesn't prove they are actual citizens, nor does it prove those people on the ID cards are still alive. This link shows some good examples of what types of voter fraud are common, provable, and many which can be completely avoided with the apollo blockchain solution.

[link to www.heritage.org (secure)]

The blockchain solution would only allow people who are legal, registered, LIVING citizens to vote, which in of itself already makes the voting ecosystem MANY x safer (honest) than simply asking someone to show an ID card as there are not many fail safes against dead people voting, especially fail-safes that would immediately identify if someones ID card belongs to a deceased individual.
 Quoting: graff2


The current problem is the voter databases are filled with dead people. If your block chain is running ID against a broken database, it will still product erroneous results. Since the identities of American citizens and whether they are dead or alive is solely dependent on government (that is, the government registers/documents such citizenships and records who is dead or alive), any corrupt government official with enough credentials and input fake data into those databases, such as Osama's fake birth certificate. The problem remains unsolved. It also does not solve the problem of, for example, and illegal alien posing as a real live American citizen by stealing the identity through philshing or other criminal means. Unless you want people to subject to DNA blood tests everytime they vote, but then some democrats will pull off a Gattaca and defeat that as well.
 Quoting: Weyoun


This is one of the best parts about the blockchain. Where traditional databases don't have a box that says, 'this person is dead so don't count the vote,' the apollo blockchain CAN do this flawlessly. The only cases where this wouldn't work would be when someone dies after registering to vote, but before the voting itself. Someone would be able to cast the vote for that person just like with all other traditional voting methods.

I don't assume the apollo blockchain would be updated live as people leave this Earth, but I do assume it would run updates quite often to keep the information as 'live' as possible, particular in regards to its voting functions, and ESPECIALLY in the weeks/months leading up to a major vote. Any newly deceased people could be 'redefined' in the blockchain as to disallow any votes to be accepted from the deceased personnel.
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How will the blockchain know if someone is dead or alive? There will needs to be a human to determine that (doctor or coroner to prounounce death), and another human to record it, and another to input that in a database and so on. One of those humans in the chain is gonna be corrupt or click the wrong thing, maybe even record the wrong person as dead (this has happend!) and dead people will still be registered to vote.

There are dead people who keep getting mail in ballots mailed to them every voting season because somewhere someone along the chain screwed up, either on purpose or out of negligence (government workers aren't exactly cream of the crop), and so the database never got updated that person's death. So, with blockchain, that dead person would still get assigned a hash and some immoral democrat will vote with that hash.

Some democrat official somewhere is gonna create a bunch of fake birth certificates to fictional people (like Barack Osama) and get a bunch of hash keys for fictional Americans to vote with, and the original problem remains.

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It is not hard to program any traditional database to check against list of deceased, no fancy block chain required. It is so easy that a software patch for it can be done in hours. The problem is corrupt politicians REFUSE to make it so, or put fictional Americans (Barack Osama's birth certificate) in database generating extra ballots they vote with, or something or the other. Blockchain cannot solve any of this.

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It doesn't, requiring ID to vote is a form of defense against voter fraud.
But having people flash an ID card at voting still doesn't prove they are actual citizens, nor does it prove those people on the ID cards are still alive. This link shows some good examples of what types of voter fraud are common, provable, and many which can be completely avoided with the apollo blockchain solution.

[link to www.heritage.org (secure)]

The blockchain solution would only allow people who are legal, registered, LIVING citizens to vote, which in of itself already makes the voting ecosystem MANY x safer (honest) than simply asking someone to show an ID card as there are not many fail safes against dead people voting, especially fail-safes that would immediately identify if someones ID card belongs to a deceased individual.
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The current problem is the voter databases are filled with dead people. If your block chain is running ID against a broken database, it will still product erroneous results. Since the identities of American citizens and whether they are dead or alive is solely dependent on government (that is, the government registers/documents such citizenships and records who is dead or alive), any corrupt government official with enough credentials and input fake data into those databases, such as Osama's fake birth certificate. The problem remains unsolved. It also does not solve the problem of, for example, and illegal alien posing as a real live American citizen by stealing the identity through philshing or other criminal means. Unless you want people to subject to DNA blood tests everytime they vote, but then some democrats will pull off a Gattaca and defeat that as well.
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This is one of the best parts about the blockchain. Where traditional databases don't have a box that says, 'this person is dead so don't count the vote,' the apollo blockchain CAN do this flawlessly. The only cases where this wouldn't work would be when someone dies after registering to vote, but before the voting itself. Someone would be able to cast the vote for that person just like with all other traditional voting methods.

I don't assume the apollo blockchain would be updated live as people leave this Earth, but I do assume it would run updates quite often to keep the information as 'live' as possible, particular in regards to its voting functions, and ESPECIALLY in the weeks/months leading up to a major vote. Any newly deceased people could be 'redefined' in the blockchain as to disallow any votes to be accepted from the deceased personnel.
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How will the blockchain know if someone is dead or alive? There will needs to be a human to determine that (doctor or coroner to prounounce death), and another human to record it, and another to input that in a database and so on. One of those humans in the chain is gonna be corrupt or click the wrong thing, maybe even record the wrong person as dead (this has happend!) and dead people will still be registered to vote.

There are dead people who keep getting mail in ballots mailed to them every voting season because somewhere someone along the chain screwed up, either on purpose or out of negligence (government workers aren't exactly cream of the crop), and so the database never got updated that person's death. So, with blockchain, that dead person would still get assigned a hash and some immoral democrat will vote with that hash.

Some democrat official somewhere is gonna create a bunch of fake birth certificates to fictional people (like Barack Osama) and get a bunch of hash keys for fictional Americans to vote with, and the original problem remains.
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When someone dies, the government is notified innately via electronic communication. This communication is likely sent in a very specific format, which could easily be read & reflected into the blockchain without Human intervention. This type of program is very easy to create--the IT department at my place of employment has done this on a number of occasions for communications sent in excel and Word. I think the bigger disruptive threat would actually be corrupt people sending in death notices of people who DIDNT die to keep them from voting, rather than what you mentioned above. But even still, with this process in mind it would be very very easy to identify the people behind the fake submissions of death to the govt. There are way more solutions than problems here.

There is always going to be issues when Humans are handling any of the data, but no solutions minimize these issues like the blockchain.

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Re: THE SOLUTION TO VOTER FRAUD has been Identified! Voting Could Change Forever! -WE MUST DEMAND BLOCKCHAIN VOTING. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FAIR VOTING
It is not hard to program any traditional database to check against list of deceased, no fancy block chain required. It is so easy that a software patch for it can be done in hours. The problem is corrupt politicians REFUSE to make it so, or put fictional Americans (Barack Osama's birth certificate) in database generating extra ballots they vote with, or something or the other. Blockchain cannot solve any of this.
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Yep they refuse it alright, but they won't be able to with blockchain. One major benefit to the blockchain is that it decreases the amount of people necessary to be involved in counting/processing/verifying votes by a massive margin, which benefits the country and its people by preserving tax money for other necessary infrastructure (or other) projects.
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Re: THE SOLUTION TO VOTER FRAUD has been Identified! Voting Could Change Forever! -WE MUST DEMAND BLOCKCHAIN VOTING. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FAIR VOTING
blockchain used properly is what will change this world for the better on so many levels, including the one this topic is about
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It is not hard to program any traditional database to check against list of deceased, no fancy block chain required. It is so easy that a software patch for it can be done in hours. The problem is corrupt politicians REFUSE to make it so, or put fictional Americans (Barack Osama's birth certificate) in database generating extra ballots they vote with, or something or the other. Blockchain cannot solve any of this.
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i don t think you get the essence of the blockchain

the problem with traditional databases and computing is that there will always be some people that have the super admin access, they can edit, delete, modify data and the rest will never know.

blockchain eliminates this possibility if built properly, so there won t be any way to manipulate data as was the case with traditional computing
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Re: THE SOLUTION TO VOTER FRAUD has been Identified! Voting Could Change Forever! -WE MUST DEMAND BLOCKCHAIN VOTING. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FAIR VOTING
When someone dies, the government is notified innately via electronic communication. This communication is likely sent in a very specific format, which could easily be read & reflected into the blockchain without Human intervention. This type of program is very easy to create--the IT department at my place of employment has done this on a number of occasions for communications sent in excel and Word. I think the bigger disruptive threat would actually be corrupt people sending in death notices of people who DIDNT die to keep them from voting, rather than what you mentioned above. But even still, with this process in mind it would be very very easy to identify the people behind the fake submissions of death to the govt. There are way more solutions than problems here.

There is always going to be issues when Humans are handling any of the data, but no solutions minimize these issues like the blockchain.
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How are these electronic communication generated with no human intervention? An AI is scanning everyone's vitals at all times in real time? That is serious scary territory I don't even want to consider.

The "blockchain" provides pseudo-solution that doesn't solve the main problems we have right now with corrupt officials rigging the vote one way or another. The same corrupt official that monkeys with ballots today would just be creating fictional Americans instead (Barack Osama's birth certificate). We don't need to be wasting tax payer monies on pseudo solutions just to line pockets of contractors and politicians (kickback scams) even more.
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Yep they refuse it alright, but they won't be able to with blockchain. One major benefit to the blockchain is that it decreases the amount of people necessary to be involved in counting/processing/verifying votes by a massive margin, which benefits the country and its people by preserving tax money for other necessary infrastructure (or other) projects.
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Politicians always find a way to insert officials everywhere despite all the promised automation. You are naive if you think blockchain is going to change that. They will just create useless layers of human bureaucracy all over that blockchain and come up with some smooth talking to justify it.
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Re: THE SOLUTION TO VOTER FRAUD has been Identified! Voting Could Change Forever! -WE MUST DEMAND BLOCKCHAIN VOTING. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FAIR VOTING
It is not hard to program any traditional database to check against list of deceased, no fancy block chain required. It is so easy that a software patch for it can be done in hours. The problem is corrupt politicians REFUSE to make it so, or put fictional Americans (Barack Osama's birth certificate) in database generating extra ballots they vote with, or something or the other. Blockchain cannot solve any of this.
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and there is nothing fancy with blockchain in terms of hardware costs

what is absolutely different though is that is built upon a logic geared towards truth, immutability and no one above the law(code)

blockchain is akin with the american constitution where no man was in position to modify the holy ammedments

while traditional computing is akin to the corrupted politics we now have around the world

they could work perfect in theory but you need to rely on the honesty and trust of those having privileged access, and sooner or later in such positions there will be a man which can and will be corrupted

and this is how you get a bit later facebook selling private data of hundred of millions of people

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i don t think you get the essence of the blockchain

the problem with traditional databases and computing is that there will always be some people that have the super admin access, they can edit, delete, modify data and the rest will never know.

blockchain eliminates this possibility if built properly, so there won t be any way to manipulate data as was the case with traditional computing
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The data will be manipulated at the human bureaucracy level. If you think blockchain is gonna magically remove government bureacrazy, you are naive.
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When someone dies, the government is notified innately via electronic communication. This communication is likely sent in a very specific format, which could easily be read & reflected into the blockchain without Human intervention. This type of program is very easy to create--the IT department at my place of employment has done this on a number of occasions for communications sent in excel and Word. I think the bigger disruptive threat would actually be corrupt people sending in death notices of people who DIDNT die to keep them from voting, rather than what you mentioned above. But even still, with this process in mind it would be very very easy to identify the people behind the fake submissions of death to the govt. There are way more solutions than problems here.

There is always going to be issues when Humans are handling any of the data, but no solutions minimize these issues like the blockchain.
 Quoting: graff2


How are these electronic communication generated with no human intervention? An AI is scanning everyone's vitals at all times in real time? That is serious scary territory I don't even want to consider.

The "blockchain" provides pseudo-solution that doesn't solve the main problems we have right now with corrupt officials rigging the vote one way or another. The same corrupt official that monkeys with ballots today would just be creating fictional Americans instead (Barack Osama's birth certificate). We don't need to be wasting tax payer monies on pseudo solutions just to line pockets of contractors and politicians (kickback scams) even more.
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man really do you even understand what is the essence of blockchain?

no, it s not about bitcoin

no, it s not about mining

it s simply about using mathematics to give the best guarantee information can not be corrupted
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fuck off with your cheap ass blockchain trolling
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Dude, I have never seen someone with so many negatives.

What's up with that?

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