THE SOLUTION TO VOTER FRAUD has been Identified! Voting Could Change Forever! -WE MUST DEMAND BLOCKCHAIN VOTING. ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FAIR VOTING

i am not talking about a specific solution. maybe this Apollo project is very weak and done in a bad way

i am talking about the fundamental principles that make blockchain different from traditional computing

you just use the label 'blockchain' but from what you write you seem to assume blockchain is the same as old traditional database paradigm.

so i d kindly recommend for you to do some research and understand where the differences are from a philosophical, logical and mathematical level

then you might see things in a different way

well i hope for his sake he doesn t draw the same kind of negativity in real life...

Now I get why you blockchain lovers think it will solve problems. You are thinking like innovators and technologists and not like politicians. The moment government officials touch that blockchain infrastructure (which it already has by the way*), they will bury it and wrap it in so much human bureaucrazy that the technology is pointless. Right now they have humans doing crazy stuff like printing out a database just to enter it back into another computer manually instead of just transferring that database over a network. They do this monkey business on purpose, so no amount of "education" will fix it. The education will just show them more nook and cranies to cram in bureucrazy and all the corrupt officials associated with it.

*All the blockchain processing is compromised at the hardware level by hardware backdoors inserted as requirement of government contract. The contractors just want to make $ and won't care about the integrity of their hardware. If one engineer refuses, he can be easily replaced by a less ethical one.

Last Edited by Weyoun on 10/29/2018 02:52 PM

You completely miss my point. It doesn't matter if it's "blockchain" or something 1000x better that we haven't even dreamed about yet. The government bureaucrazy WILL find a way to smother it with corruption. If you think otherwise you totally underestimate the evil you are facing.

Last Edited by Weyoun on 10/29/2018 02:51 PM

i do not underestimate it, quite the contrary.

regarding the hardware backdoors i think we both know that cpus like intel and amd come from factory with backdoors at the most base level

but to reject a software paradigm that is built to reduce and expose those who want to have privileged access, by bringing the similar state of hardware level is not a sound argument.

when the same principles of blockchain will be applied (they already are in fact at research level) to the hardware level things will get even better.

you want to build a society that has protection against all those corrupt individuals? the principles are rather simple for any sane and not yet corrupted mind. transparency at the level of rules, everyone who wants to verify them able to do, do away with super-privileged access, use ai to enforce the laws (MADE by humans) so you have proper rule of law and we might get somewhere


on the other side what is your position? we fight on the same side. but what is your proposal for a solution?

Such a human society cannot exist and will never exist on this earth.

There is NO SOLUTION in this world.

All of these "solutions" are just aspirin pills to a fatal cancer. Every so-called solution humans try to make is just more levels on that Tower of Babel and anything good you think you make can and will be used for evil. That "AI" enforcing laws is just gonna turn into AI death panels with AI revolt and Terminators.

We try to survive by limiting government as much as possible and depriving it of tools such as "blockchain" and AI that it WILL use for more evil than your naive mind can imagine. The end of the world is coming with the end of humanity. The only salvation is for for each individual soul to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior instead of relying on all these failed and failing human Tower of Babels. Jesus will come to DESTROY THE WORLD and start anew with a New Earth with His believers only in perfect harmony. Any other utopic ideals are just snake oil.

Last Edited by Weyoun on 10/29/2018 03:13 PM

I agree. The benefits of using blockchain for democratic voting FAR exceed standard processes, and the 'issues' people see with the blockchain solution are either indefinitely present in all voting processes or are greatly reduced thanks to the blockchain.

I reference Apollo, as it has the most powerful blockchain out there in regards to voting. It's possible, through time, that other companies could emerge, but in my opinion we DON'T want a company created specifically with the intention of replacing government voting processes. If we hire a company solely to create the blockchain for voting, it would already be far more vulnerable to bias than the already created Apollo blockchain that has its source code readily available to everyone.

ok then in this case i assume you already sold all your possessions and gave them to the poor as master Jesus said? If this is the case then you are a true believer in Christ

yes I'm with you 100% on this. Sure Applo might not be perfect, but compared to traditional voting process such a blockchain solution will solve much of the problems of the old way. Maybe it will be 50% or 70% or 90% of them but it will still better then what we have now

"They" dont want foolproof elections.

It could have been done many ways already.

I wish it were as easy as pointing out the ways.

You missed the point of Jesus's message and only have a very superficial understanding of it. Jesus was talking to the rich man who idolized his material possessions. The point is that to follow Jesus means to obey Him and drop everything, sacrifice your most treasured things, if and when He asks. That thing is individual specific, for example He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son (but not his material property) whereas he didn't ask the rich man to sacrifice his son. When Abraham was about to kill his son, God stopped him, because the willingness and demonstration of faith was enough in that case, whereas for Job, God actually let Satan take away EVERYTHING, his whole family and property, to demonstrate his faith. In the case of Stephen and other martyrs, they gave their earthy life for Jesus.

If you take Jesus in the context of the whole Bible, you will see that sometimes even selling all your possessions is not enough to follow Jesus, and, if that act is NOT what Jesus asks of you and you're just doing it out of self righteousness, it is an affront to God, as seen in Parable of the Talents and in Cain's offering at the alter.

Following Jesus is not defined by any specific material act but it means complete surrender of EVERYTHING to Him and let Him decide what to do with it all. That may mean selling all your property, or dying, or resuming your everyday life while "on call" ready for your next assignment from God.

Last Edited by Weyoun on 10/29/2018 05:02 PM

Precisely. As far as I've been able to see, it is the most solid platform out there capable of replacing legacy/current voting systems and it reduces the threats of fraud & manipulation greater than any voting fail-safes in history.

I think we should be talking more publicly about this and educating the populace about the benefits of this platform in relation to the system our populace is currently educated on.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

You can, however, with the right group of people, push him right into the pond.


if you catch my drift.



(no pun intended)

Last Edited by graff2 on 10/29/2018 05:14 PM

^ meaning you can't convince everybody (every horse) that a particular process or idea (water) is the best option for the time, but the right team of people can still implement this process for everybody if the team is strong enough.

for relevancy at a time where random, new votes are being found in weird places and recounts are reigning supreme in the news.



Recounts would never happen again with this blockchain solution.

Finding stashed votes would never happen again with this blockchain solution.

Last Edited by graff2 on 11/09/2018 01:07 PM

There is no reason not to have a public block chain but a anonymous vote/coin that would be cast p2p. Block chains are pseudo anonymous. They are even more then anonymous when your vote/coin is only spent once.

How would you know if they did not cast more votes then people? What if someone issued a vote/coin in someone's name that never would even cast a vote even though they are eligible to vote?

when abc, cb$, nbc, et al WON'T report this, it will be as if it didn't happen.

i think fox won't report it either

what will become of us?

There is so much wrong with this.


First of all, you're going to need a 'token', that's the only way the miners will bother to mine the chain - this implies a marketable asset. Tokens could be 'bought & sold' - the same bullshit that goes on in any crypto coin.

Second, none of these are actually 'decentralized', it's a myth. Either you have a scenario like bitcoin where over half of the miners are in China, and can MODIFY the chain if they really wanted to attcak it, or you'll have people screaming 'vote fraud' and FORKING the chains.

Then, you have more fake decentralization by having only a small handful of developers, all using CENTRALIZED platforms like GITHUB... or worse, you have shannanigans like ETHEREUM where they blatantly MODIFY the code per their whims.

None of this shit is actually decentralized, that's a myth sold to dummmies.

That's the beauty of the blockchain. You will HAVE to be fully eligible in order for you to gain access to the blockchain voting system.

Citizens of voting age would be entered into the system, and not a single non-citizens would be able to vote as a result.

Please see the rest of the thread as I believe there are some answered questions you may find value in.

Whatever concerns one may see with this Apollo BLockchain solution, are already concerns found in traditional voting systems. This blockchain solution neutralizes most vectors for fraud and minimizes all other potential threats found in tradiiitonal voting systems.

First off you are starting your whole position based on a misunderstanding of this particular blockchain. There are no miners and you don't need a currency to vote in it. You don't need a token.


I understand your concerns, but please take a close look at them because I'm noticing your concerns are no different than the concerns everybody else has with traditional voting systems.

Also the code is permanently accessible to the public online. You should read the whole thread so your comments will be based on education about this specific blockchain. I"m sure most of your concerns are already answered.

And please recognize this isn't the 'every single concern anyone has ever had or could ever have is solved with this solution'
This is a 'This solution is the absolute best option for fair voting potentials based on historical data and current technological advancements.'


It breaks down to these 2 options:

You either want the current voting system to function the way it functions, with all the BLATANT fraud and different METHODS of accomplishing fraud.

Or you want a voting system that innately reduces the threat of fraud by a large margin in comparison to every voting process we have undertaken since the birth of this great country.

Last Edited by graff2 on 11/09/2018 03:01 PM

If there's no miners than it's not a blockchain, period. This is bullshit.

Agreed.

If people don't push for our voting system to be changed then the future of the country is not in the hands of the population, but at the hands of a few.

We are entering a pivot point in society and it is NECESSARY that people stand up for their right to a fair, honest voting system.


I urge you all to take in the information found within this thread and analyze within yourself which faults/errors within our current voting system would be eliminated or reduced using this blockchain solution. Your children will not have a fair country to live in if the population doesn't demand control over the voting system, if it doesn't demand to break away from traditional voting processes.

This is the best solution we have and it is far more beneficial to a democracy than leaving your vote int he hands of dozens of people, many of which who are likely to have political bias against you and can change your vote.

Meth is a hell of a drug, right fuckwit?

I'm down.

But beware, the blockchain was created by the CIA.

How about take a picture of your ballot and upload it to a site, using a blockchain algorithm for verification.


2nd party verification, bypassing election officials entirely.

Hence why it's ABUDNANTLY important that we do not hire a company to create a new blockchain system for voting.

It MUST be one that already exists so that the developers had zero political bias in its creation. Iv'e done the research, the blockchain I've referenced IS our best bet at this moment.

it was originally used in military applications and it wasn't until the early 2000s that any public companies began using them. I can understand why the military used it, because it's the exact same reason we should be using it for voting.

The data is incorruptable and permanently stored, preserving the data indefinitely.