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US F-16's violate Turkish airspace

 
Dervish
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It could have been an accident, it could have been a warning.
Either way,its not good.

Northern Iraq is kurdish controlled, and a relatively stable area. CAS(close air support) flights of F-16's are usually not needed.
The Turkish view that its a warning to not invade kurdish Iraq may be accurate.

If thats the case, we will be forcing the Turkish military(very secular) away from the US and NATO and closer to a more pro-east and anti US position with its pro-islamic party in power now.

As I posted before, this war in Iraq risks alot of our interests. The continuity of NATO being one of them.

Heads up D.B.
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What else could possibly go wrong? We are really inviting the Chinese and Russians to come to Turkey & Iran's aid now. Bush wanted a legacy...at least the Shah of Iran had somewhere to go.
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no link so i yell bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag
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no link so i yell bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag
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till dervish gets back.....

here is your link

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US F-16's violate Puerto Rico airspace
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US F-16's violate Irak airspace !!
I had seen many time F-117A Nighthawk flying in Mexican city border of Juarez-El Paso Tx.
rolleyes
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Gul On Turkish Air Space Violation By US Warplanes
Published: 5/28/2007







ANKARA - Turkish Deputy PM and FM Abdullah Gul said on Monday that Turkish General Staff has not given detailed information about the incident yet.

Two U.S. warplanes briefly violated Turkish airspace near Iraq last week, the Turkish General Staff said on its internet site on Sunday.

FM Gul told reporters in Ankara that these kind of incidents usually happen in border areas.

"Detailed information about such incidents are given to Ministry of Foreign Affairs by Air Forces and General Staff. And we carry on necessary initiatives. The fact in this incident will be revealed after the detailed information. Was it a coincidence? Was it intentional? How long did it take? All these are detailed information and we will act according to that information," Gul said.

Asked whether Turkey would deliver a note to USA or summon the U.S. ambassador to the ministry, Gul said, "(we will act) according to information and the way it (the incident) happened."

[link to www.turkishpress.com]
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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag
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Turkish tanks cannot cross into northern Iraq'

Monday, May 28, 2007

Amid ongoing domestic debates focusing on the likelihood of a military incursion by Turkey into northern Iraq to stop infiltrations by PKK terrorists, a senior Iraqi Kurdish official says the world will not allow such an action, claiming Turkish tanks and panzers cannot cross into the north

ANKARA - Turkish Daily News

Safin Dizai, a senior official from the Iraqi Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and a close aide to Iraqi Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani, underlined that Turkish tanks would not be allowed to cross into northern Iraq, Turkish news reports said yesterday.

Dizai pointed to the ongoing domestic debates in Turkey about a possible cross-border operation to crack down on the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) camps based in northern Iraq in the face of ongoing attacks inside the country.

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Not good? Try, who gives a flying fuck.

What the F do you think might happen? Turkey and the USA might to war?
Dervish  (OP)

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Try the Turks pulling out of NATO.
Try Incirlik Air Base being closed.
Try the Turkish contingent to the International Security Force in Afganistan being pulled out.

Just a few options the Turks have.
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Wasn't Gul the fellow that 100k's of turkish people held a protest over a couple of weeks ago because he wants to turn the country into a secular Islamic nation? It seems kind of a stretch that a member of Nato with at least 2 USAF bases in the country is going to get freaked because of a flyover. There is a strict SoF agreement with Turkey and I also remember they would not let US ground forces attack Iraq thru their country. This sounds like someone is stirring the pot here at GLP.
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::warhawk::

Foreign policy....listen to no one, except altar boy yes men, like Blair, and piss everyone else off.
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I had two A10's violate my beach space today, they flew down the coast of lake michigan

just showing off for the chicks i bet..

the turks and the kurds are going to go at it, no doubt about it, and no matter what we do, it is going to happen

i was reading that the saudis extended an olive branch to iran this past week, interesting how things are lining up
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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I had two A10's violate my beach space today, they flew down the coast of lake michigan

just showing off for the chicks i bet..

the turks and the kurds are going to go at it, no doubt about it, and no matter what we do, it is going to happen

i was reading that the saudis extended an olive branch to iran this past week, interesting how things are lining up
 Quoting: malu

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i was reading that the saudis extended an olive branch to iran this past week, interesting how things are lining up
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Yeah I saw a small clip of them getting ready for historic meeting, these two countries worry me the most, for one ths Saudis have nearly all of our oil supply, the next, would the saudis want to merge thier oil suppies with Iran , maybe China gas deals,for, umm, lets say a common goal.??!!
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lol bush reloaded pretty cool ..
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How in the hell can the US violate the airspace of a country that allows them to have a major airbase in said country?
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Actually Dervish could be right so lay off the Dervish bashing. Quite apart from the F-16 development there have been many other signs of serious trouble brewing between Turkey and the Kurds.
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How in the hell can the US violate the airspace of a country that allows them to have a major airbase in said country?
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USA has a very strict airspace corridor they have to confirm to, Turk government does not want thier citizens seeing American fighters flying all around.The Turkish people doesn't want the USA in thier country at all, the Turk goevernment has been catching hell from it's citizens already.
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Actually Dervish could be right so lay off the Dervish bashing. Quite apart from the F-16 development there have been many other signs of serious trouble brewing between Turkey and the Kurds.
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Thanks for the support. You and the a/c above.
When we see hundreds of thousands of Turks protesting the election of the Islamic Party Presidential candidate, we assume that the numbers are against them. But they have something no Turkish political party has had in a long time- A majority of the popular vote. The protestors are in the minority. A growing anti American sentiment, a pro islamic government, historical ties to northern Iraq, and an Iron clad animosity to the formation of a kurdish state could unify the secular military and the religous political parties.

I do not make a prediction, just a heads up.
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who cares, never liked turkey anyway
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US withdraw northern Iraq (tomorrow).
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[link to www.thememriblog.org]

Turkish Media: U.S. To Withraw From Northern Iraq Next Week; U.S. Military:Withdrawal Tomorrow

Turkish Media: U.S. To Withdraw From Northern Iraq Next Week; U.S. Military: Withdrawal Tomorrow


Most Turkish dailies reported today that Jabbar Yaver, spokesman for the Kurdish Region Defense Force in Northern Iraq, has announced that, with an official ceremony to take place in Erbil next week, the U.S. will withdraw its forces from Dohuk, (near Turkey), Erbil, and Suleymaniya and will transfer security responsibilities for these cities to the Kurdish peshmerga.

However, the U.S. military has announced that security responsibilities for the northern Iraq cities would be transferred tomorrow, not next week. It said that following a recent evaluation, it was decided that the regional Kurdish authority was ready to assume security responsibilities for that region.


Sources: Milliyet, Hurriyet, Turkey , May 29, 2007
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I fail to see how thats possible considering Turkey gave the US permission to use an airbase there just recently. Thats why there's a squadron of F-16's and tanker aircraft there.
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Better than having a Turk violate your anal space...
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yes, the things are going so well in Iraq, that the turks feel a need to invade the country to deal with the kurds:


NICOSIA, Cyprus -- Warning that "our patience has run out," the Turkish government has authorized the army to draft a plan for a major military thrust into Iraq to smash Kurdish rebel bases there "once and for all."
Opinions are divided on whether the expected attack will take place before or after the nation's July 22 parliamentary elections. According to Turkish sources, a pre-election attack would likely dominate the electoral campaign and dwarf other issues of greater importance to the contending parties.
Another factor is the government's hope to persuade the United States to lift its opposition to a military action in Iraq, which Washington fears would exacerbate the current turmoil.
Any significant Turkish military thrust into Iraq without American backing would almost certainly damage Turkish-U.S. relations, which already are strained by Ankara's opposition to Washington's Iraq policy.
For nearly a year, the United States has been appealing to Turkey for caution despite growing pressure from the Turkish armed forces for action against the Kurds. In February, Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul and Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, chief of the general staff, returned from a tour of the United States disappointed with their failure to win more support.
Turkish politicians are convinced that the United States is doing everything it can not to antagonize the Iraqi Kurds, who are considered the only genuinely pro-American faction on the fragmented Iraqi battlefield. Turkey also fears that growing Kurdish power and autonomy in northern Iraq will inspire resistance among Turkey's own Kurdish minority.
The government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has introduced laws to improve the status of Turkey's Kurds, but many Kurdish leaders feel that the measures have been inadequate. They certainly have not satisfied leaders of the banned Kurdistan Workers Party, whose guerrilla war on the Turkish state has cost more than 30,000 lives and destroyed entire villages.
According to the Turkish army, the Kurdish rebels maintain a network of camps and training bases in the mountains of northern Iraq, aided by the local Kurdish population. They estimate the number of Kurdish fighters -- known as peshmergas -- at close to 4,000 in Iraq with more than 2,000 roaming the mountains on the Turkish side.
The Kurdish separatist movement apparently has also infiltrated huge Kurdish settlements known as "gecekondu" ("built overnight") on the outskirts of Ankara and Istanbul.
Turkey regards Kurdish claims to autonomy as dynamite under the republic's foundations and has rejected all such demands in the past. In official statements, the government points to the example of assimilated Kurds, some of whom have reached high positions.
Some foreign analysts still consider the Kurdish population in Turkey to be economically and political marginalized and thus prone to violent opposition against the state.
In his most recent statement, Mr. Erdogan said his government could not refuse the army's demand for an incursion into Iraq, and urged the United States to join in such an action.
"If the terrorist organization is based in northern Iraq, then the United States must fulfill its responsibility," Mr. Erdogan said. "For us, it is out of the question to fall into disagreement with our security forces and soldiers on this issue."
Mr. Gul, the foreign minister, said the Kurdish rebels were posing "the greatest threat to Turkey" and were using arms and explosives smuggled from depots of the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
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