Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury (WBC Heavyweight belt defense on 12-01-18)

Wilder by KO or Fury by decision.

Idk man, I thought Buster Douglas fought phenomenally that night in Tokyo. His speed, power, footwork, consistency made Mike look like a little girl in there.

thanks for the link m8..

Last Edited by _M_ on 12/02/2018 12:23 AM

dont believe he got up

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Last Edited by _M_ on 12/02/2018 12:44 AM

And there we have it. Lol. Terrible. This is why boxing is dying. The banker won the fight.

Well I was wrong, it was anything but boring. Fury won that fight. Glad they both walked away!

I’ve never seen a boxer get up after clearly being out. That was incredible!

fury is a true gentleman

He is that, neither could beat AJ. Good fight from both.

Mayweather was a bitch in boxing. The only person innovating the sport is Vasyl Lomachencko.

The heavyweight division has been owned by Wladimir Klitschko for a couple decades now.

Tyson was a superb fighter.

The most underrated fighter of all time was Marciano.

He knocked out most of the people who are ranked better in the history of boxing than he is.

I'd say a very, small heavyweight who went 50-0 and knocked out all of his bigger opponents through strength training earns the #1 spot for being the best boxer in history.

Ali was fast.

Vasyl is the ONLY person since Tyson that has innovated the sport.

Vasyl is the best boxer in the world. If boxing has improved as a sport, it's because of him.

AJ hasn't fought anyone worth fighting. The heavyweight division is a bunch of bums. AJ has to actually fight and win for a couple decades (because he isn't that great of a fighter) before anyone gives a fuck about AJ. He's just a good boxer (nothing new to the sport) with a long reach (basically a copy of Lewis/Klitschko but really hasn't defended his title, barely fights, and needs to hold the division for a very long time to matter.

He's a rag.

Yeah .. guess alot of viewers were surprised that Fury got up in the 12th after the old 1-2 there. I thought that he wasn't in any shape then to make the count, but he got up suddenly and had a recovery by avoiding more bombs.

Even with the 2 knockdowns, I had Fury winning on points, 8 rounds to 4. 114-112 for Fury (w/two 10-8 rounds for Wilder).

How did you guys score it?

Last Edited by Grey Eagle on 12/02/2018 01:05 AM

Ducking Wilder for 3 years while Fury has been out with drug issues and not giving a fuck about boxing. AJ just wants to hold on to whatever he can, for as many years as he can, for the fame without getting beaten by someone else.

The only person he beat was an elderly Klitschko. Once someone none elderly thats a great fighter like Klitschko comes around....AJ will be ducking the fight.

Wow, split decision draw! Fury will win the rematch. He's been out too long.

Always shocking to me to see so FEW punches THROWN in a heavyweight title fight.

But then I did see the Meldrick Taylor-JCC fight back in '90 or '91.

THAT was a serious punch-out, particularly by an exhausted Taylor. To this day, I have not seen as many punches thrown by any boxer over 12...

And Steele fucking gave it to Chavez in the final SECONDS (yes, the casinos had it RIGGED)...

Follow. The. Money.

Last Edited by Grey Eagle on 12/02/2018 01:15 AM

A draw is the perfect result for the promoters. It guarantees a rematch and disarms AJ of any claim on the winner.

As OP said, follow the money - the future money to be made off of the fighters - and you can successfully handicap 90% of boxing matches.

How in Gods name did Fury get up from that. Still King and unbeaten fair play to him.

The Fury-Wilder bouts will be a 3-fight affair.

We don't know yet who will win #2 ... but you can almost bet that they will split #2 and #3...

And when will AJ get his shot at either one? ...

I think a champ has to be beaten decisively. You have to beat him down and leave no questions about who won.
Getting damm near knocked out doesn't do it. Draw is a good call.

close fight.i might watch it again with american commentators,the brit commentators were a bit biased.fury wasnt busy enough,wilder struggled to connect.4/10 fight but fury getting up in the last..WOW

i presume a third party out bribed the judges and took the pool.

-i remember when jeff brawled in vegas GE,i think he was with iron mike.was a dogged fighter,but kostya tszyu was better.


Last Edited by _M_ on 12/02/2018 06:12 AM

Tyson got more points, but wilder hurt tyson much more badly.

That is what the judges saw.

Champ gets 2 knockdowns..damn near a knockout.

Challenger 0 knockdowns.

No you did not defeat the champ.

“The most underrated fighter of all time was Marciano”.

You’re not wrong there & yes, Vasyl is a credit to the sport. To be honest, & it saddens me to say this, the sport as it currently is doesn’t deserve a Vasyl or a Tyson. It’s not about the boxing anymore & about dragging out the careers of everyone else for the payday’s.

Yep, that’s exactly what I’m doing in a bit. The commentary & the ‘after fight’ review was biased.

I had Fury ahead even with the knockdowns lol. I always look at things objectively & that’s what I had.

But you’re right. As a Pom I look at the points as judged by the boxing itself, the Americans tend to take the drama into account. Who’s right? Well taking the sport as a sport then it should always go on the points as per boxing, but then we all love drama & Wilder delivered more drama so......... I guess sport is for entertainment so I’m torn, but I’m not torn on who won that fight as per ‘boxing rules & regulation’.

Fair play to both. Promoters & greed will destroy the sport.

Anyone remember Jack Johnson & the days when there were “how many rounds...... lol”

Lennox said it well “look, the problem here is getting decent judging, at the end of the day THE PROMOTERS HIRE THE JUDGES. And there’s your problem”.

You’re not right on this though lol.

Wilder has a lethal right hand, no doubt there, but as boxing goes, AJ is superior, he will be patient & jab away at anything coming forward & when an opportunity arises he steps in & takes it. He’s actually a superb boxer.

He hasn’t been avoiding Wilder, Wilder’s camp has just been unrealistic about the details. It is unfortunately a business these days.

Wilder ‘can’ beat AJ, Wilder ‘can’ beat anyone, but unlikely to get the opportunity to land his haymaker against AJ who will wear him down & say good night.

Lewis is absolutely RIGHT on that.

The judge$ all too often collude to serve out the promoter$' intere$t$.

The judge last night who gave it to Wilder (so clearly) on his scorecard ... might need a vision-examination.

My money says Fury wins their 2nd match and then Wilder takes the 3rd one...

A title belt changing hands may favor heavier betting by the fans in the casinos/bookies for their rubber match.

Bottom line ^^^ (as far as my assessment of upcoming bouts).

Of course, who is to say that Deontay will actually go along with that ('gentlemen's agreement') idea, and not try and knock Fury out the 2nd time??

Last Edited by Grey Eagle on 12/02/2018 07:35 PM

Yep, I’d say that’s a fair assessment lol. Sad but true. I also think they have sat down or will soon to have this money making re-matche(s) chat. But I have little doubt that Wilder will play along yet when it comes to the crunch will renege & use an opportunity to knock him on his arse leaving Fury & all involved crying over spilt milk.

Fury would plan on honouring an agreement, it’s a ‘traveller’ thing that goes back to bare knuckle days & is almost ‘tradition’ in those circles to take a dive to make sure all get well paid.

I can’t see Wilder having the same mindset so Fury is going to be the fall guy/patsy in this riddle.

Either way I don’t really care as the sport shouldn’t be like this & we shouldn’t even be having the conversation lol. The plan fo Wilder would be to dispatch Fury & have the AJ opportunity, but he really doesn’t want that fight yet.

AJ is still an unknown entity really & it would suit Wilder not to have to make that fight yet, he does NOT want that regardless of all the talk. Wilder can still walk around as Champ, but an AJ fight now is likely end his career the second the fight is over, AJ will not be bothered with sideway moving now, no rematches unless it’s necessary, even with Hearn in the picture.

AJ is a very smart cookie & Eddie knows it. He is not ‘controllable’ like so many other fighters. He’ll take chances if need be but he will go somewhere quiet & do the math, & not just the money math but the career math, he loves the sport. He is not the greatest or toughest ‘brawler’ but he is the best technical & talented heavyweight boxer in the world right now.

I still can not believe Fury got up from that 2nd knockdown (knockout) lol. He was done, out.

Fair play to both fighters on that. Wilder created the brawling & drama, I watched it again with a fight night US commentary & it does make a difference to how the view ‘The Fight’, but not the scorecard lol. If I were 18 again I would be consumed by the awe of power & drama, but the boxing was clear regardless.

But hey, that’s sport, I was a professional sportsman all my competitive career & now I just coach & train & you take the rough with the smooth & accept there is corruption normally serving multiple parties, it’s not right but it is what it is.

Someone on your thread said Mayweather was a pussy bitch of a boxer lol. I don’t like the guy but that he was not. Manny I really respect.

I would like to see Connor get put on his butt again lol.

Damn.. Great comments/post!

As far as Mayweather goes .. he's smart .. and he looks at the big picture, as far as his longterm health and his record and the money-aspect go.

Why risk a brawl or a slug-out that he would likely lose anyway? He isn't powerful .. he's fast, and very focused, and very skilled and aware of his opponent at all times. And his ring fitness is such that he can routinely win on points late in any fight.

I always thought Floyd's fights were a little boring .. but I have to say that he is the Master at NOT GETTING HIT.

Manny was, admittedly, much more exciting to the majority of fans. Offensives and knockouts do win over the non-boxing fans if the 'fan-oriented personality' is there.

But age begins to show at some point in all boxers and athletes, so Manny was less of a threat to FM when they did finally meet, than had that same fight occurred 4 or 5 years earlier (shades of Leonard repeatedly dodging Hagler as he aged/slowed).

Could AJ beat Fury or Wilder? As of now ... ?

That is what the fans will debate from here onward. But, like you said, AJ isn't BIG enough (aka: a fan-known name) yet to have the other two risk a fight with him just yet.

That risk-to-reward ratio isn't there yet. AJ now needs to beat 1 or 2 other ranked guys and promote his ESTABLISHED brand before Fury or DW give in and accept a match.. If they are still too averse to a meet-up ... then at some point AJ can rightfully accuse last night's principals (or handlers) of dodging him. And the fans will support him.

Last Edited by Grey Eagle on 12/03/2018 01:08 AM