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Utility emailed woman about problems 1 day before fire

" A day before a deadly blaze destroyed a California town, the giant utility Pacific Gas & Electric Co. got in touch with Betsy Ann Cowley, saying they needed access to her property because their power lines were causing sparks.

. . .

On Monday, fire investigators declared the area surrounding power lines on Cowley’s property, in an oak-filled canyon, a crime scene. Security guards would not let PG&E inspectors pass.

. . .

Publicly, PG&E has said it experienced a problem on an electrical transmission line near the site of the massive fire, minutes before the blaze broke out.

. . .

The area where CalFire says the blaze started, and where PG&E says sparks were detected on Cowley’s property is roughly the same, according to an AP reporter at the site."

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Man, if they knew this thing was throwing off sparks and she wasn't there to give them permission, then they should have just fixed it due to the potential of imminent harm without her permission or cut the power to the lines.

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The Transmission Failings can be a sideeffect of scalar-wave (DEW) targeting. Causing massive electrostatic potentials - what comes naxt: spark-discharges!
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It's an excuse, power companies are too rich for that shit, they're lying.
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It's an excuse, power companies are too rich for that shit, they're lying.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


I'm totally confused by your post. Power companies are too rich what for shit? Who's lying? The woman who said she received the email?
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It's an excuse, power companies are too rich for that shit, they're lying.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


I'm totally confused by your post. Power companies are too rich what for shit? Who's lying? The woman who said she received the email?
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


:calmdown:
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The Transmission Failings can be a sideeffect of scalar-wave (DEW) targeting. Causing massive electrostatic potentials - what comes naxt: spark-discharges!
 Quoting: Alahndro


I seriously doubt that DEWs are causing these fires, but I wanted to take some time to try to research the issue a little better. Based upon what I have been seeing, I would expect the effect to cause the fire instantaneously not have the DEW targeting done and then the fire starts the next day. In all of the previous fires where people are claiming DEWs started them, I could find no evidence that people thought that the DEWs were causing the electrical grid to start the fires.
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Surely protocol is granted to the power company due to emergency access?
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Surely protocol is granted to the power company due to emergency access?
 Quoting: clock


I would assume so. I mean I live in an apartment complex and my lease clearly states they have the right to enter the premises without my permission in an emergency and to prevent harm to others. Why they left the scene when she didn't answer the door to give them permission makes no sense to me if they knew that it was throwing off sparks on her property.
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Plus they give all three of her names... And we know what THAT means.
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Re: Utility Emailed Woman About Problems 1 DAY Before Fire
The Transmission Failings can be a sideeffect of scalar-wave (DEW) targeting. Causing massive electrostatic potentials - what comes naxt: spark-discharges!
 Quoting: Alahndro


I seriously doubt that DEWs are causing these fires, but I wanted to take some time to try to research the issue a little better. Based upon what I have been seeing, I would expect the effect to cause the fire instantaneously not have the DEW targeting done and then the fire starts the next day. In all of the previous fires where people are claiming DEWs started them, I could find no evidence that people thought that the DEWs were causing the electrical grid to start the fires.
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


Funny you say that because the internet is littered with the stuff..
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The Transmission Failings can be a sideeffect of scalar-wave (DEW) targeting. Causing massive electrostatic potentials - what comes naxt: spark-discharges!
 Quoting: Alahndro


I seriously doubt that DEWs are causing these fires, but I wanted to take some time to try to research the issue a little better. Based upon what I have been seeing, I would expect the effect to cause the fire instantaneously not have the DEW targeting done and then the fire starts the next day. In all of the previous fires where people are claiming DEWs started them, I could find no evidence that people thought that the DEWs were causing the electrical grid to start the fires.
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


Funny you say that because the internet is littered with the stuff..
 Quoting: newworldicon


Stuff saying that it is causing the electric lines to cause the fires? I did do the research and found nothing saying that they thought the DEWs were causing power lines to start the fires.
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It's an excuse, power companies are too rich for that shit, they're lying.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


I'm totally confused by your post. Power companies are too rich what for shit? Who's lying? The woman who said she received the email?
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


I've watched this unfold from the beginning like many and they didn't come out with the power line excuse until at least two days into it, right about the time DEW and other alternative theories started proliferating.

The power companies are too rich and powerful to take that kind of heat, much less just out and admitting it that far in. Remember the east coast neighborhood gas explosions? Whatever happened to the gas company that caused it (but blamed it on a worker)? I don't know myself even, I'm just saying.

I don't buy for one second that they'd step up and admit something that big when no one would have known otherwise.
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Re: Utility Emailed Woman About Problems 1 DAY Before Fire
It's an excuse, power companies are too rich for that shit, they're lying.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


I'm totally confused by your post. Power companies are too rich what for shit? Who's lying? The woman who said she received the email?
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


I've watched this unfold from the beginning like many and they didn't come out with the power line excuse until at least two days into it, right about the time DEW and other alternative theories started proliferating.

The power companies are too rich and powerful to take that kind of heat, much less just out and admitting it that far in. Remember the east coast neighborhood gas explosions? Whatever happened to the gas company that caused it (but blamed it on a worker)? I don't know myself even, I'm just saying.

I don't buy for one second that they'd step up and admit something that big when no one would have known otherwise.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


They aren't admitting to the email or to reports of sparks the day before the fire. Also, it didn't take 2 days.

"PG&E declined to discuss the email it sent Cowley with AP, saying it has provided an 'initial electric incident report' with state regulators and will fully cooperate with any investigations.

Publicly, PG&E has said it experienced a problem on an electrical transmission line near the site of the massive fire, minutes before the blaze broke out.

In its Friday filing to the state Public Utilities Commission, it said it had detected an outage on an electrical transmission line near the site of the blaze. It said a subsequent aerial inspection detected damage to a transmission tower on the line."

[link to www.apnews.com (secure)] (Emphasis added)

This article is dated Friday:

Dispatch calls suggest downed PG&E power lines may have started deadly Camp Fire

"Cal Fire radio transmission suggests utility giant PG&E could be to blame for the deadly Camp Fire burning in Butte County.

PG&E shared its initial electric incident report to the Safety and Enforcement Division of the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) with ABC7 News.

In the report, the utility explained that roughly 15 minutes before the deadly Camp Fire began turning the town of Paradise into an apocalyptic scene, PG&E detected a transmission line outage across the Feather River from Poe Dam."

[link to abc7news.com (secure)]

In this article, you can see an email that is dated the day of the fire at 6:06 p.m. talking about the power lines:

[link to www.sfchronicle.com (secure)]

Screenshots of the email:

[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]


You apparently don't know the law that well. If they blame one of their employees for what happened in that gas explosion, then they are just as liable. It's called respondeat superior:

"If an employee causes an accident or injury while doing his or her job, acting on the employer’s behalf, or carrying out company business, then the employer will usually be held liable. This rule holds employers responsible for employee carelessness and misconduct as a cost of business. It also encourages employers to make careful hiring decisions and to be vigilant about who they choose to represent their company."

[link to www.alexanderlaw.com (secure)]

However, it does not appear to me that they are blaming the employee upon doing a little research.

Federal prosecutors open criminal investigation into Massachusetts natural gas explosions

"A federal grand jury is gathering evidence for a criminal investigation into the deadly natural gas explosions that rocked three Massachusetts towns in September, the company that operates the system disclosed Thursday.

. . .

The NTSB has said that Columbia Gas gave bad work orders to crews replacing old, cast-iron pipes in Lawrence, Massachusetts. Those orders failed to take into account a pressure-sensing feedback line, causing the system to pump high-pressure gas into the system.

. . .

Attorneys who represent victims of the explosions said they appreciate NiSource's recognition of its responsibility" and said the company should speed efforts to get life back to normal.

. . .

The disaster has cost the company about $462 million so far, the company reported.

. . .

The costs include $415 million in third-quarter expenses for personal injuries, property and infrastructure damage, and payments to other utilities that aided with the restoration effort, the company said.

NiSource faces legal action from victims of the blasts, including a possible class-action lawsuit."

[link to www.usatoday.com (secure)]
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"We sent an e-mail!!!!!!!"

Why didn't you go to the home? and be sure the occupants were aware of the issue?

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"We sent an e-mail!!!!!!!"

Why didn't you go to the home? and be sure the occupants were aware of the issue?

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 Quoting: Shappie


Apparently, they were there and left because she wasn't there:

"Cowley said she was on vacation last Wednesday when she got a surprise email from PG&E. Details of that exchange, described to The Associated Press, combined with the utility’s track record in California wildfire history has again brought the company under scrutiny.

The email said that crews needed to come to her property to work on the high-power lines, Cowley said. PG&E told her 'they were having problems with sparks,' she said. They visited her property but she said she wasn’t there Wednesday and was not aware of their findings."

[link to www.apnews.com (secure)]
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It's an excuse, power companies are too rich for that shit, they're lying.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


I'm totally confused by your post. Power companies are too rich what for shit? Who's lying? The woman who said she received the email?
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


I've watched this unfold from the beginning like many and they didn't come out with the power line excuse until at least two days into it, right about the time DEW and other alternative theories started proliferating.

The power companies are too rich and powerful to take that kind of heat, much less just out and admitting it that far in. Remember the east coast neighborhood gas explosions? Whatever happened to the gas company that caused it (but blamed it on a worker)? I don't know myself even, I'm just saying.

I don't buy for one second that they'd step up and admit something that big when no one would have known otherwise.
 Quoting: AeonSpirit


They aren't admitting to the email or to reports of sparks the day before the fire. Also, it didn't take 2 days.

"PG&E declined to discuss the email it sent Cowley with AP, saying it has provided an 'initial electric incident report' with state regulators and will fully cooperate with any investigations.

Publicly, PG&E has said it experienced a problem on an electrical transmission line near the site of the massive fire, minutes before the blaze broke out.

In its Friday filing to the state Public Utilities Commission, it said it had detected an outage on an electrical transmission line near the site of the blaze. It said a subsequent aerial inspection detected damage to a transmission tower on the line."

[link to www.apnews.com (secure)] (Emphasis added)

This article is dated Friday:

Dispatch calls suggest downed PG&E power lines may have started deadly Camp Fire

"Cal Fire radio transmission suggests utility giant PG&E could be to blame for the deadly Camp Fire burning in Butte County.

PG&E shared its initial electric incident report to the Safety and Enforcement Division of the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) with ABC7 News.

In the report, the utility explained that roughly 15 minutes before the deadly Camp Fire began turning the town of Paradise into an apocalyptic scene, PG&E detected a transmission line outage across the Feather River from Poe Dam."

[link to abc7news.com (secure)]

In this article, you can see an email that is dated the day of the fire at 6:06 p.m. talking about the power lines:

[link to www.sfchronicle.com (secure)]

Screenshots of the email:

[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]


You apparently don't know the law that well. If they blame one of their employees for what happened in that gas explosion, then they are just as liable. It's called respondeat superior:

"If an employee causes an accident or injury while doing his or her job, acting on the employer’s behalf, or carrying out company business, then the employer will usually be held liable. This rule holds employers responsible for employee carelessness and misconduct as a cost of business. It also encourages employers to make careful hiring decisions and to be vigilant about who they choose to represent their company."

[link to www.alexanderlaw.com (secure)]

However, it does not appear to me that they are blaming the employee upon doing a little research.

Federal prosecutors open criminal investigation into Massachusetts natural gas explosions

"A federal grand jury is gathering evidence for a criminal investigation into the deadly natural gas explosions that rocked three Massachusetts towns in September, the company that operates the system disclosed Thursday.

. . .

The NTSB has said that Columbia Gas gave bad work orders to crews replacing old, cast-iron pipes in Lawrence, Massachusetts. Those orders failed to take into account a pressure-sensing feedback line, causing the system to pump high-pressure gas into the system.

. . .

Attorneys who represent victims of the explosions said they appreciate NiSource's recognition of its responsibility" and said the company should speed efforts to get life back to normal.

. . .

The disaster has cost the company about $462 million so far, the company reported.

. . .

The costs include $415 million in third-quarter expenses for personal injuries, property and infrastructure damage, and payments to other utilities that aided with the restoration effort, the company said.

NiSource faces legal action from victims of the blasts, including a possible class-action lawsuit."

[link to www.usatoday.com (secure)]
 Quoting: TrustNoOneKS


Not buying it, sorry.





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