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New post on danger of addictions from the Michael of Nebadon.. Christ Jesus..I just made today Jan 21.

General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.

So I began to cut it back.. more than a bit to fast and landed up quite a mess from that. Serious auditory and funny physical type seizures.. and I felt really bad. I went back to my doctor for advice.. a real mess and he said get back on it POST HASTE and then begin a slower withdrawal.

Well I remembered how my sister in law got off her cigarettes finally after many attempts and adapted her method to my Klonopin.. after the seizures stopped from restoring my "normal " dose.

She had first cut back to low nicotine ciggies.. and then began gradual withdrawal along with joining an exercise club.. Jazzarcize I think. Lets say she was on one pack a day.. I don't remember but that would be 20 ciggies. So for a week she smoked 19 a day for a whole week.. removing her most desired smokes one at a time.. When she started she was smoking 2 ciggies during her night.. and dropped one of them first .

Next week 18 a day... and so on and so forth until she was off and she never took it up again and had far less withdrawal issue.

Now I remember... as I write I was 4. I chose 5 days rather than a week. So for the first 5 dats I took 3 3/4 at bedtime.. next 5 days 3 1/2 and so on and so forth.. I adhered to that strickly all the way thru until that last 1/4 tab... I had minor stuff during this but liveable. So that was 3 months or more.. not doing the math today... but it was another 3 months before all the seizure activity was gone and I felt normal.

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Fast forward to June 1.. when I began morphine withdrawal.. I had been on morphine for 17 1/2 years and because of all the new rules which are hurting REAL PEOPLE on it for REAL REASONS.. nobody was willing.. to help me... long story on that.

I will cover details in another post.. but I once again had seizures.. but of a different type and it was hell.. its going to take a full 6 months I think this time..

For you ciggie smokers though.. my relatives experience which motivated me to think anew... on the HOW.. it might work for you... she never once during her withdrawal method snuck in an extra ciggie.... and her body made a wonderful recovery.

Lets make this a question and sharing thread on the experience of any withdrawals.. for some it will be FOOD. and of course that is difficult and I took a journey there too.. because you cannot give up food... only moderate it.

I have given counseling to many here and on other forums in terms of giving up Klonopin which is very difficult to do.
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During my Klonopin withdrawal... the first few days of doing it too fast... I felt like I was going to die... and I got up.. walked part family in the living room from my bedroom to get paper and pen and put an emergency WILL thumbtacked to the wall above my bed for them to find if I died .

That night I had an experience of contact with my soul mate who educated me that it was the withdrawal that was causing that problem and that I was not going die... but I left the will on the wall for a long time in case.

I certainly learned first had what substance withdrawal could cause...
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Maybe if you can admit that to yourself, go to rehab to get some real help.
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Rehab? With its offensive jargon that separates people from society and its 7% success rate? Its opiate abusers dying of overdoses the second they are released


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Public officials in Congress and the Obama administration are now promoting several major initiatives focused on expanding treatment, but taxpayers have already shelled out $1 trillion over the past four decades fighting illicit drug use. The National Institutes for Health estimates that by the end of the decade annual expenditures for drug and alcohol treatment will exceed $42 billion, almost as big as the entire medical diagnostic and laboratories industry.
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I removed the nasty post above by BreezeNine. If this thread is used violently against the intent.. I will remove it. Some need to walk in others shoes before they attack. I put up the thread for a viable reason.

It matters not what started something one needs to withdraw from.. it matters the sharing of HOW. :hugs 1: BreezeNine apparently left the green but otherwise nasty thumb... and I should have reported the abuse before I deleted the post. NONE OF THAT HERE... The lack of peace on this world IS directly related to how people treat each other.. let alone members of other cultures and races. Shit happens.. its life and I am not and never have been an addict.

And te programs starting with Obama and continued now.. and I might cover some of that.. deny human rights in many arenas.. over the use of drug.

To BreezeNine.. It is RARE on this world that someone doesn't have issues and needs related to booze.. ciggies... foods and drugs given to problems at the time that later cause problems.

I was not addicted at all to Klonopin... but many drugs damage the body and the nervous and cause problems when they are dropped... or cause problems period if it is not understood damages produced.

DO NOT JUDGE THOSE IN WHOSE FOOT STEPS YOU HAVE NOT WALKED. THAT WAS VISCOUS what you said based on knowing NOTHING.
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This thread is about compassion.. not hate. Get that or don't post in it. It is about others and the sharing of experiences. My Klonopin experience taught me something new and as I said I have engaged many a time in helping others thru Klonopin.. right here on GLP in fact. I put my experience out there to HELP.

When I was put on Klonopin for the serious restless legs that were killing my sleep... the Doctor never considered that mineral deficiency could be cause and test for it. I have been on Potassium since I was in high school for a deficiency at effects the beating of my heart and the energy in my nervous system.

I am still on Potassium for that 54 years later. And I know a lot of folks with heart irregularities whose doctors probably did not consider inability for the body to hold on to enough potassium as a cause for their heart irregular beating issues.

I assure you that my having to use magnesium and Potassium has nothing to do with addiction. I get genuine PVC's of my heart when it drops. Since back when I was 17 years old.. I assume a genetic factor.. I don't know. But I have to carry it and magnesium in my back pack I use as a "purse"..

The biggy cause of fibromyalgia... and its remain mostly unknown is dairy abuse... is the inability to process all the phosphates in dairy and also in other foods the thugs are adding phosphates too. because they know its the leading cause of osteo arthritis... and they make money on your arthritis that way

Do you realize many people untreated properly for body issues take stuff to cope with it ? And other issues of life.. stop the judgement.
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
 Quoting: Electronic Scribe


I got over it in 2000 beloved... if you meant me.. thanks for your explanation and use of words "half life"...

Fortunately for me in treatment of my Chronic pain for which I did go to morphine... Tramadol didn't work and I felt really icky on it.. so I didn't have to withdraw from it.hf Feel free to share that if you wish.

For those that judged me here.. and do not know my history which I have always been forthright about here and other forums... is that I was given MS by the fake swine flu vaccine when Reagan was President.. 1976 I think. I have had arthritis also since high school and have fairly severely bent spine from stenosis and I suppose a somewhat shorter leg did not help that.

I have had many nerve compressions.. who know why that have needed surgical fixing.. two fusions and several other ruptured disk procedures and back then.. they didn't have the nicer surgeries available now. I have had about 30 surgeries in my life for varying reasons.

I received the "gift" of diabetes from the 2nd pneumonia vaccine I took. It is severe. And besides nerve injuries from stenosis and carpel tunnel and others.. I now have diabetic neuropathy. I am supposed to have pain.. OK...its how it works.

We can discuss here all sorts of such stuff but any abusive posts will be reported (next time) and then removed. That is not the purpose of this thread and since aging alone is a disability on this planet.. for which we have no cure yet.. and there are cures for that... you don't get to cut others short in this thread.
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This is the "green" rude thumb I got... I assume from the poster whose post I removed here... but cannot prove of course except the "matching".

Today's thread explains (to me) why your thinking and reasonsing skills are so poor. May The All Mighty Creator of Heaven and earth have mercy on you.

Anybody that reads me and also knows me.. knows I do not have problems with reasoning... But the planetary population over all does which is why the return of Christ Jesus to this very HURTING WORLD.

Understand people are the product of their cultures from which their beliefs arise that so often cause so much trouble in this world.

and because of that.. the people of this world will destroy their planet without INTERVENTION from the Divine. We have one destroyed planet in this solar system.. up there in the asteroid belt... and the folks of Mars had to be "raptured" to earth after they destroyed the atmosphere playing weather war. it caught fire and millions of souls left their crispy bodies and we brought to grow up on this planet.. and it goes on.

Normal people do suffer the thugs and nasty stuff here and they do then smoke.. drink.. and so on and so forth. So here are flowers for you who suffer or did. :Flowers for you:

And a big hug. :hugs 1:
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Most drugs do not cure, instead the retrain the body into accepting the paticular short coming and continue needing the the drug. Cures do not create wealth.
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Most drugs do not cure, instead the retrain the body into accepting the paticular short coming and continue needing the the drug. Cures do not create wealth.
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And some things cannot be cured and its right to provide proper pain relief in such situations.. the Obama and now Trump thing is hurting real people while attacking street drug problems... there is mis focus.


Pain relief is a HUMAN GOD GIVEN RIGHT and always does a planet in its evolution of life.. produce pain relief medicines too as well as many others.. ask any intuitive bear on that one.

Some people genuinely have chronic pain that interferes with LIVING and it is right to give something for that where there is no treatment.

Always however to any behavior changes cause change to something else ... its how wisdom and such happens. I can agree with that post above.

there is physical pain of course and emotional pain.. the emotional pain is probably the harder to deal with for people and on this planet much must be overcome and some cannot do that.
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Well I've never had such serious challenges. Little ones...

Cigarettes: till 1995 I had been smoking 3 pk/day. One night after giving a cig to a date... she ripped the filter and said "if I'm gonna smoke I wanna taste it". So I did that too... but funny we smoked less total that night. And better... the next day I figured "well I can skip my wakeup smoke"... and later "nah I can wait for a smoke"... procrastinated to near 0 smokes/day. 30 years later I still try to smoke by bumming OPs whenever I can.

Food: I had gained to 245 lbs, had Type 2 Diabetes… and reversed/healed the T2 by diet only (low carb/sugar/starch) within 3 months. Thus I figured I could loose weight the same way... watching what I ate... and called it "calories awareness". So I went from 245 lbs to 165 in about 3 months. When I did that I was scared by the low-blood-sugar sensations (huger pangs, light head, brow-sweat)… which are more about blood sugar dips rather than absolute numbers (for me dipping from 250 to 150 was milder but similar to what my hypoglycemic wife experienced). So at that time I decided to go back to 200 lbs... stayed there till last year (wife died, hmmm less weight worth it). So in the last year I've reduced from 200 lbs to about 175 now. What was really really nice was seeing an old co-worker/friend today after about 2 years ago telling him that story. He's lost 50 lbs... doing 16 hr fasts (similar to calories awareness). He looked great today, what a blessing to see what worked for me help a grate man/father/producer such as him.

Diabetes:

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And some things cannot be cured and its right to provide proper pain relief in such situations.. the Obama and now Trump thing is hurting real people while attacking street drug problems... there is mis focus.
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No the problem is PEOPLE who want RULES rather than their personal freedom. I for one believe EVERYTHING should be legal to anyone over 16 (military adult, and f-the-21 idea).

Darwin would clear out most zombies and idiots quickly, and the medical establishment would get the managerial effectiveness pressure of market-demand (and be fukin devistated like they've done to soooo many people).
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And some things cannot be cured and its right to provide proper pain relief in such situations.. the Obama and now Trump thing is hurting real people while attacking street drug problems... there is mis focus.
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No the problem is PEOPLE who want RULES rather than their personal freedom. I for one believe EVERYTHING should be legal to anyone over 16 (military adult, and f-the-21 idea).

Darwin would clear out most zombies and idiots quickly, and the medical establishment would get the managerial effectiveness pressure of market-demand (and be fukin devistated like they've done to soooo many people).
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I agree... and making things illegal creates more problems that allowance. And people do want rules.. that is the great test right now on this planet.. who will run free and who wants the government to run them. Only thing I want age things on is voting. NONE before 25 years and only after passing essential testing.. We are an immature society ....


I have done similar with my type 2 and I still have it. I still make some of my own insulin... this summer during a heavy move I tried on advice a huge lessening of food period and only needed some insulin if I cheated... but the dizziness and being off balance was horrid and after 3 weeks I went back to eating and insulin. I lost about 10 pounds during that.

I don't take any vaccines anymore for any reason.. seen too much. A bunch of people where was living took the shingles one and got shingles for their efforts. Others had no problems. But vaccines are used to kill anymore ..... long slow deaths for many.
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Currently withdrawaling from 3-HO-PCP & 3-HO-PCE. Been self medicating with moderate functional doses almost everyday for a couple months for pain because doctor won't prescribe anything but Ibuprofen. Though I've been taking a slightly higher dose the past couple weeks due to tolerance. I've become slightly addicted to it but managed not to take any today & feel somewhat shitty physically. Hopefully my order of 1,4-BDO which is a Prodrug to GHB will finally arrive from Poland tomorrow. Going to switch over to that for my Fibromyalgia symptoms as studies have been done proving GHB to help, however the FDA refused to approve it. It used to be completely legal/unscheduled until all the date rape bullshit smh...
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Currently withdrawaling from 3-HO-PCP & 3-HO-PCE. Been self medicating with moderate functional doses almost everyday for a couple months for pain because doctor won't prescribe anything but Ibuprofen. Though I've been taking a slightly higher dose the past couple weeks due to tolerance. I've become slightly addicted to it but managed not to take any today & feel somewhat shitty physically. Hopefully my order of 1,4-BDO which is a Prodrug to GHB will finally arrive from Poland tomorrow. Going to switch over to that for my Fibromyalgia symptoms as studies have been done proving GHB to help, however the FDA refused to approve it. It used to be completely legal/unscheduled until all the date rape bullshit smh...
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Well I get to look up that stuff. My doctor was forced to give up his pain folks and I didn't even know I was a pain folk until the office gave me a list... he is a gastroenterologist and and two pharmacies here .. big major ones are not filling pain meds for HIM AND OTHER doctors that are not pain specialists. Only one doctor on the list I was given practiced where I could get on the bus.. the others were far away and the one didn't have openings for a couple months.. being flooded with people from other doctors.

The pharmacies that won't fill his are WalMarts and King Soopers. I got mine at WalMarts for a few years after King Soopers stopped filling them. Then last time this summer after I was off the long acting.. and I got an RX for 30 quick acting for bad times which I was having periodically.. Walmarts would not fill that. This is criminal in my mind. I went walgreens and they filled it. But I don't know if that would continue.

I cannot take NSAIDS... I can take 2 ibuprofen rarely and cannot take a repeat dose because my mouth breaks out.. and I get problems breathing.. I cannot take others either..

Tylenol gets my liver.. not possible for long term use and its not great anyway.

On your fibromyalgia also look at the amount of dairy you consume. I was properly diagnosed with both fibromyalgia and CFS a long time ago.

A strange little herb gives me at least the relief of aspirin.. its called Wild Lettuce... and had I know something of that.. I had it growing heavily in my old yard and had no clue.. there are directions to cook it down on you tube... I have just bought capsules.

It does help with general aching..

People have a god given right to pain relief and the Planet provides it... I cannot use any of the artificial drugs.. never could.. such as Demerol and I assume that is why others are also toxic to me that are synthetic.
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Eat a basic whole foods plant based diet.
It reverses inflammation, arthritis, and disease.
And makes you feel better.


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When I dont take diazepam for a few days is hell but passes after a week... then I get bad muscle spasms and I have to start taking it again, its a cycle.
Cannabis destroys the heart and vascular system, dangerously lowers blood pressure and causes psychosis and paranoia

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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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Tramadol withdrawal nearly killed me. It was the worst 6 months of my life. Helped with my nerve pain- but coming off of it, even in small doeses, was horrific. I wanted to die, and nearly did.

NEVER again. Gabapentine offers similar relief without any withdrawals..at least for me.
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Thank you for your encouraging words about quitting smoking cigarettes....hf

I used to smoke only two or three cigs a day, but then my father died last year, and I nearly chain smoked through my shock and grief. So, I'm right about at five or six cigs a day now, sometimes even a few more.

I've never really wanted to quit smoking until the last couple of months....heh, I know that all earthly addictions need to be given up, because eventually we will not have them, and I don't want to take an addiction to cigs with me to the afterlife.

I am going to start buying light cigarettes as a place to start....hf it's an excellent idea!

gaah...just the other day I google searched about how to quit smoking. The first return was for the nicotine gum, this I'd been thinking about...and then I saw its cost. Can't/won't go that way. Too much money.

I can't really use a vape stick because it jacks my blood pressure up high. Even now while taking high blood pressure medicine I can indeed feel the tell tale signs of my blood pressure raising....and I'm pretty much thinking the nicotine gum will do the same thing.

Heh, I'd probably be able to get off the BP med if I did quit smoking.

And I know me....dammit, I know that I could tell you all or anyone that I'm going to quit smoking, but I know I'll end up smoking, like in the closet, feeling very embarrassed at myself, and feeling like a complete loser.

At least smoking light cigs instead of full flavored cigs is a rock solid way to start to taper off the damnable nicotine addiction.
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I switched from cow milk to rice milk in my coffee recently and have been craving real milk ever since.

Not as bad as morphine, I know, but it still sucks.

However, my arteries are coming back to life, so probably worth it.
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Maybe if you can admit that to yourself, go to rehab to get some real help.
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Rehab? With its offensive jargon that separates people from society and its 7% success rate? Its opiate abusers dying of overdoses the second they are released


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"The vast majority of addicts who enter treatment programs fail multiple times—not because they are incapable of recovery, but because they’ve been largely denied the therapeutic interventions most likely to produce success.

Public officials in Congress and the Obama administration are now promoting several major initiatives focused on expanding treatment, but taxpayers have already shelled out $1 trillion over the past four decades fighting illicit drug use. The National Institutes for Health estimates that by the end of the decade annual expenditures for drug and alcohol treatment will exceed $42 billion, almost as big as the entire medical diagnostic and laboratories industry.
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Ok, so you delete things that offend you... Lol
Who else in our society does that?...
No matter how hard you try to cover it, you have shown your true colors.

I removed the nasty post above by BreezeNine. If this thread is used violently against the intent.. I will remove it. Some need to walk in others shoes before they attack. I put up the thread for a viable reason.

It matters not what started something one needs to withdraw from.. it matters the sharing of HOW. :hugs 1: BreezeNine apparently left the green but otherwise nasty thumb... and I should have reported the abuse before I deleted the post. NONE OF THAT HERE... The lack of peace on this world IS directly related to how people treat each other.. let alone members of other cultures and races. Shit happens.. its life and I am not and never have been an addict.

And te programs starting with Obama and continued now.. and I might cover some of that.. deny human rights in many arenas.. over the use of drug.

To BreezeNine.. It is RARE on this world that someone doesn't have issues and needs related to booze.. ciggies... foods and drugs given to problems at the time that later cause problems.

I was not addicted at all to Klonopin... but many drugs damage the body and the nervous and cause problems when they are dropped... or cause problems period if it is not understood damages produced.

DO NOT JUDGE THOSE IN WHOSE FOOT STEPS YOU HAVE NOT WALKED. THAT WAS VISCOUS what you said based on knowing NOTHING.
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Listen, it is only in your lack of understanding of my words and your quickness to be offended with other peoples views, that caused you to misdefine the word rehab.
Rehab = Rehabilitation.
Rehabilitation can come from people, things, God, or specific groups.
But one cannot find Rehabilitation until they Admit they have an ISSUE to THEMSELVES.
Then one can find Rehabilitation.

And since your post is going to attract people with real addictions.
I think my point is valid. Since I too have lived though it and overcome.
Also, why would I have to destroy myself and be addicted to something that causes me damage, equivalent to YOU, for my point to be valid. Such Arrogance.
But hey, enjoy yourselves in here...
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General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.
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Do not be fooled people.
We have science to prove this statement false.
I am not bashing this person one bit. In fact I commend them for recovery.
But only a fool or someone spreading misinformation would say eating 3-4 Klonopin a day for 2 -3 years, wasn't addicted...
There is a such thing a chemical addiction.
But in the same story, they say I wasn't addicted. Makes no sense.
They even prove they had Chemical Addiction by stating it took 6 months for their body to not need it anymore.
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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I used Tramadol recently, only temporarily, however I think it gave me chest pain
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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I used Tramadol recently, only temporarily, however I think it gave me chest pain
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I get prescribed that regularly. Never actually taken it. I read the insert blink
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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Tramadol withdrawal nearly killed me. It was the worst 6 months of my life. Helped with my nerve pain- but coming off of it, even in small doeses, was horrific. I wanted to die, and nearly did.

NEVER again. Gabapentine offers similar relief without any withdrawals..at least for me.
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I was on it for around 3 years till June when I got cutoff due to a seizure I had as Tramadol can reduce the seizure threshold. Doctor replaced it with combo of max daily dose of Ibuprofen & Tylenol because he refuses to prescribe anything stronger than Tramadol for my condition. I gave up on taking NSAIDS though cause they don't help one bit. Thankfully my withdrawal was minor & only lasted a couple weeks. I take Lyrica as well which is very similar to Gabapentin but two times more potent. It helps some but it helped a lot more when I was taking Tramadol with it. My pain has been getting worse again for months now which is why I've basically been forced to self medicate...

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Most drugs do not cure, instead the retrain the body into accepting the paticular short coming and continue needing the the drug. Cures do not create wealth.
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Exactly! I had a stroke a few years ago and left the hospital on over a DOZEN medications! Now I'm down to two, and could be down to one if I totally gave up sugarrockon


Rest, CBD/THC, diet and calmness/meditation is what helped me, but that stuff is cheap and TPTB lose money, so of course it isn't recommendedredface

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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
 Quoting: Electronic Scribe


Tramadol withdrawal nearly killed me. It was the worst 6 months of my life. Helped with my nerve pain- but coming off of it, even in small doeses, was horrific. I wanted to die, and nearly did.

NEVER again. Gabapentine offers similar relief without any withdrawals..at least for me.
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I was on it for around 3 years till June when I got cutoff due to a seizure I had as Tramadol can reduce the seizure threshold. Doctor replaced it with combo of max daily dose of Ibuprofen & Tylenol because he refuses to prescribe anything stronger than Tramadol for my condition. I gave up on taking NSAIDS though cause they don't help one bit. Thankfully my withdrawal was minor & only lasted a couple weeks. I take Lyrica as well which is very similar to Gabapentin but two times more potent. It helps some but it helped a lot more when I was taking Tramadol with it. My pain has been getting worse again for months now which is why I've basically been forced to self medicate...

Sigh
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I take Lyrica as well. Gabapentin is used on the months where the pain is minor. I let those darn doctors put a mesh plate in me to heal a inguinal hernia back in '11. Nice lawsuit but lifelong pain as a result. I made my bed!
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Not sure if this fits here, since it's only addiction to sugary sodas.

So many things bad about them. First the high amount of fructose syrop in them. They have another ingredient put into them to fool the body into drinking the whole thing, otherwise you wouldn't. Second their causal relationship with food intake and weight gain. They spike your insuline and this generates hunger and you eat more than you would otherwise eat if you weren't drinking sugary sodas.

I tried to stop completely, longest period without any consumption was 1 month, but I always returned to daily consumption.

So what I did was simple but efficient.

I started drinking water with sugar. Real sugar, not fructose syrop. So for example I used to drink 4 250-ml bottles of sugary soda per day. First bottle around noon.

First day I put 250 ml of water in a glass and 3 small teaspoons of sugar. This was my first "shot". Did this 2 more times that day. First thing I noticed is the desire for more sugary water was less than if I had consumed sugary soda. And overall, the amount of sugar I took in was less than if I had consumed sodas (only 9 teaspoons that day - I think that's less than in a single soda!).

By day 3, I went on with just the first 250-ml glass of sugary water and 1 banana. Throughout the day I no longer craved sugary water, or other sweet stuff, I was good with that shot and the banana. Also, I ate far less than before, because I was no longer on the insulin spikes generated by the sodas.

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Now we know why you're completely insane.

Good work!

I was wondering what the fuck was wrong with you.
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I reported your abuse. I see I cannot remove your post. Your lack of perfection needs some perfecting beloved... I am not insane at all and I function extremely well in society. :hugs 1: and I suggest you have an addiction to your brand of Christianity.... which as so many holes in it as does that whole religion Christ never started. When you do have experience with your believed errors perhaps you will come back to this thread about the religion addiction.

Religion is the personal relationship with the indwelling Father. Christ taught that...But your religion has not which is a major problem on this world. LOOK AT THIS WORLD AND STUDY IT.

And by the way I gave up the morphine.. and I did learn that a goodly portion of the pain is diabetic neuropathy. The withdrawal was quite toxic.. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy but not once did I loose my sanity during it. I had major changes in my life and one reason I chose the TIME to withdraw was to combine many pressures into one bundle... like an extremely difficult move after a year of being in court over having my house of 34 years stolen from me by eviction.. That would make a huge thread all by itself. IT WAS MY HOUSE.. I owned it free and clear since 1995 or so...

I was left without personal ability to get a mortgage or even get into a subsidized senior apartment due to 2 year and longer waiting lists...and not a nice place to be at 70 years old let me assure you. My disability is PHYSICAL.. never was mental.

You see my faith got me thru and the necessary people came into my life and I live in a really decent house now that is only 6 years old... LIFE IS GOOD...:Sparkly Heart:





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