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Withdrawal from Lifes Addictions

 
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Not sure if this fits here, since it's only addiction to sugary sodas.

So many things bad about them. First the high amount of fructose syrop in them. They have another ingredient put into them to fool the body into drinking the whole thing, otherwise you wouldn't. Second their causal relationship with food intake and weight gain. They spike your insuline and this generates hunger and you eat more than you would otherwise eat if you weren't drinking sugary sodas.

I tried to stop completely, longest period without any consumption was 1 month, but I always returned to daily consumption.

So what I did was simple but efficient.

I started drinking water with sugar. Real sugar, not fructose syrop. So for example I used to drink 4 250-ml bottles of sugary soda per day. First bottle around noon.

First day I put 250 ml of water in a glass and 3 small teaspoons of sugar. This was my first "shot". Did this 2 more times that day. First thing I noticed is the desire for more sugary water was less than if I had consumed sugary soda. And overall, the amount of sugar I took in was less than if I had consumed sodas (only 9 teaspoons that day - I think that's less than in a single soda!).

By day 3, I went on with just the first 250-ml glass of sugary water and 1 banana. Throughout the day I no longer craved sugary water, or other sweet stuff, I was good with that shot and the banana. Also, I ate far less than before, because I was no longer on the insulin spikes generated by the sodas.
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It belongs here.. my overall purpose is on all this sort of stuff....Thankyou for sharing. I can't tolerate fructose syrup myself.. either the regular or the high fructose... Drinks of it would not help my LOW blood sugar migraines of many years ago.. only table sugar did. I keep some on me and at home or work put it into tea...

I do not know what the difference is.. but sucrose is superior.
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Eat a basic whole foods plant based diet.
It reverses inflammation, arthritis, and disease.
And makes you feel better.


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I have done that for years now.. and I have to assume it has improved my life.. but curing.. it has not. Even all those folks on TV who write nutrition books on Diabetes and curing it.. not a one worked for me but I give my body the very best in food and exercise and sleep and a wholistic life.

Hey for fun I started lying in the morning sunbeam now coming thru my door of southern exposure and meditating complete with attending cat... feels good.. I have had an indoor sunbeam period and not in winter at all... I will be continuing that on sunny days.

I would like to be vegan but after some pituitary failure years ago which did rebuild.. I really need cholesterol and I eat at least 2 eggs a day.. and enjoy some yogurt and cheese. I gave up meat around March of 2000 because both was it full of shit chemicals and would not stir fry.. but also I saw with my own eyes HOW truly cruelly animals are raised. One of those was seeing that mother pigs which I had read.. are kept confined between BARS when nursing so they cannot lie down and thus the max of pigs can be stuff in a barn... can you image standing for a few weeks?

Most people do not know that cholesterol is NEEDED to build the adrenalcortical steroids which are essential to life. The chicken was gifted to this planet for its eggs... make sure as much as possible to buy eggs from at least cage free chickens.. but out door chickens make the best eggs in the world. And fortunately they are coming out more and more.. The best farms provide 100+ square feet per chicken outside.

Chicken meat is ideally for pet food.
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We went and stood out in the cold by the airport looking into the darkness for an hour. As you stand outside,no car, isolated, in the darkness, you become smaller and smaller and the world becomes more and more cold and menacing. We build our little shells and drag them across the land, to keep out the mists that rise from the ditches like clutching hands.
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We went and stood out in the cold by the airport looking into the darkness for an hour. As you stand outside,no car, isolated, in the darkness, you become smaller and smaller and the world becomes more and more cold and menacing. We build our little shells and drag them across the land, to keep out the mists that rise from the ditches like clutching hands.
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Standing on a cliff looking at the vast never ending Pacific, you realize how small you are.

Standing on a boat in the middle of the Atlantic as the island chain comes to an end, you feel like you've come to the end of the world.

Standing at an airport, you go inside and find the coffee shop and pay $5 to be reminded of why you should have had a coffee before leaving for the airport.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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Standing at an airport, you go inside and find the coffee shop and pay $5 to be reminded of why you should have had a coffee before leaving for the airport.
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Those big picture epic movie views of danger and isolation sort of move to the background once you know someone who has drowned in a roadside ditch in a few inches of water.
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This is a selection from a book called Phoenix Journal #33. You can make Google your friend in finding the source materials.

The selection is by the returned MICHAEL OF NEBADON/Jesus. It belongs here.. Good teaching which nicely touches on the spiritual development of HUman.


CLOSING THE DOOR through ADDICTIONS!


THE GREAT DESTROYER OF UNFOLDING MAN

As times seem to worsen in many aspects of living, please be aware of that worsening for if you do not, you may be led to believe, through the lies thrust upon you, that “things” are getting better--THEY ARE NOT.

The supreme tragedy of this age is not alone in its wars. Wars destroy the best blood of a small percentage of whole peoples, but alcohol, tobacco and other drugs are destroying an extremely large percentage of men, women and teenage children as well as now oozing into the very young ages and lower grade school children throughout the entire world who are slaves to the slow mental and physical poisoning by nicotine and other damaging substances, other drugs and narcotics. For a century, this decaying process of man has been growing worse upon so huge a scale that tobacco and drugs are rated as two of the five greatest “industries” of the world.

The great danger in the use of such drugs as tobacco lies in the ignorance of people as to what such drugs are doing to them. One of the worst, and most hidden dangers in that which you call smoking of tobacco, is that the processors are of the major cartel which also owns the pharmaceutical corporations worldwide and, in the processing and “curing” of the tobacco, sugar is utilized. Sugar then carmelizes in the burning process which creates a toxic cancer-causing element.

WHAT DRUGS ARE DOING TO THE HUMAN RACE

There is no way to include all the ramifications herein at this point because the consideration must in actuality be inclusive of AIDS spread through infected needles, etc. But we will touch on some most important impacts on the unfolding of the direction of Man's spiritual Self.

Awakening Man is unfolding in the direction of his spiritual divine Self. A small fraction of the human race has already been sufficiently illumined with the Light of God-awareness to deeply desire to live within the Light and know its joy. I do not speak of that which the “religions” preach on a Sunday morning--I speak of the awareness of Higher Source as friend and guide--not the doctrines as laid forth by some half-baked self-proclaimed knower of his own “preferred” doctrine.


To these few of the many, Soul-Will absolutely dominates the matter which is their body. These few are finding the Kingdom of Heaven with their Consciousness and can know its heavenly rhythms by being able to completely forget their bodies as a centering focus of all attention.

Forgetfulness of body and command of body by Soul-Will are the supreme achievements of the mystic and the genius who know the ecstasy of the Divine Light. This does not mean that these humans go about as if they have been struck by rapid-fire lightning of pious revelation and put on a false front of pretending to be that which they are not.

It has taken millions of years and countless re-journeyings for the unfolding of Cosmic Man (Higher Universal Man [human]) to that high stage where he can sever body-sensation from his Consciousness to the extent that he can be entirely freed from domination by his sensed-body and master it by his own Soul.

Millions upon millions of humans who have already arrived at the very door to the Kingdom of Heaven ARE NOW CLOSING THAT DOOR by becoming enslaved by their own bodies through addictions to substances which damage the very fiber of the body tissues and alter the mental functioning. Nicotine is a simple, seemingly harmless enough, but insidious and treacherous slow-acting drug which is closing the long sought door to the Light for countless millions. The emotional reasons are as numerous as the physical for ones who become addicted to anything can not give themselves freedom of forgiveness for that addiction.

People who habitually smoke cannot either forget or rule their bodies for the desire is always pulling attention back into the sensual desire for “another smoke” which simply keeps the person locked into the here and now of the physical demands.

Drug addicts are ruled totally by their bodies to the exclusion of Soul-awareness except at rare intervals when just the right amount of drugs balances their changed normality for a few moments in intervals between the action and reaction cycles of the drug poisonings.

It is claimed that smoking does not injure the body physically. It certainly does. It causes innumerable injuries ranging from stomach ulcers, lung and throat infections, to lung cancers and heart weakness. But that is not the most important fact because the body is not of the first importance. The important fact is that smoking gradually “depolarizes” the reasoning and thought processes to such an extent that time cycles develop in which the body periodically demands nicotine to stimulate the brain cells. At that time, then, the body DEMANDS another cigarette.

The human body is made up of a formula which consists almost entirely of oxygen, hydrogen, carbon and nitrogen. The large portions of these elements total 98-1/2 percent of Man's whole body structure. The other 1-1/2 percent is made up of mineral salts, but in infinitesimally small quantities. There is no nicotine in any of that 1-1/2 percent and that is why it is so injurious. No one can take anything into his body which is not prescribed for him in his body formula without having signs of violation and poisoning.

Nicotine and/or other drugs are not included in it; therefore, they are also injurious to him in many physical ways but more injurious to him mentally. Any drug has a stupefying effect upon the brain cells which makes clear thinking more difficult. It is a strange fact that when the brain is dulled by drugs, the only cure for it is more drugs which bring normalcy back for a while, then more drugs become necessary until the habit is one demanded by the body. Slavery to the substance then follows.

Some smokers bodies will only DEMAND six or so cigarettes a day while others will demand one every twenty minutes. These become “chain smokers” who have lost practically all Soul-Will. Chain smokers are body slaves to a drug. Further, you will note the ones that argue against this fact are the ones who have the addiction! He who would deny his slavery to nicotine, food, alcohol, etc., may prove his freedom from it by asserting his will over the power of the substance.

Not one in a thousand longtime smokers ever succeeds in proving his own will-power over the nicotine but rather usually proves the nicotines power over him.

The fact of body-slavery is the important thing for any Man to ponder over who is in search of his own Soul and its dwelling place in the high heavens of God's Light. Most, however, you will find are not searching for that placement with God at any rate for Man has forgotten the Truth of that which God is.

Man is divine. He is the Son of God when he KNOWS he is--but he can never know it through body-sensing. He can only know it through the ecstasy of inspiration while within the Light.
KD: And not only a SON of God.. but an only begotten SON of the FATHER.. each of you matches no other and that is what only begotten means.

Eternal Man is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent but the body of Man is but sensed-clay and has neither power nor knowledge. Just as long as man is but sensed-clay, he is sensed-clay--and nothing more.

The human race is seeking the Kingdom of Heaven through the Spirit. The Inner Voice of God is always directing every Man to the door of Light--but as long as man is but sensed-clay he cannot hear that Inner Voice. Therein lies the tragedy of Man‟s suicide of the Spirit by the use of these abusive substances.

Habitual uses of these things so effectually change the polarity of their bodies that they more and more effectually shut out the Inner Voice as they suppress Spirit in favor of gratifying the senses. Even the genius Mind who becomes addicted to these substances in excess is unable to express his genius until the stimulation of the drug allows him to become aware of the Light in him for just a short interval, then the substance calls loudly to his senses and he reaches out for the drug to which his body has become the slave.

It is painfully sad when the enslaved cannot remove himself from the trap for the trap is one of ever increasing imprisonment. Think of the tragedy of a great Mind realizing that it can never rise to the height of Self except through the delusions of drugging the containing body.

The great spiritual awakening of unfolding Man can come only through awareness of the Light in Man. Alcohol and other addicting substances taken into the body in sufficient quantities change ones polarity so much that the normal body polarity is lowered to an artificial one and prevents any user of such drugs from manifesting God in him except during those ever-lessening intervals when the drug stimulates him enough to allow him to reach his ARTIFICIAL normalcy.

For brief moments he may even look upon the face of God and create inspired art while momentarily free, but those moments ever lessen as the bonds of slavery tighten to tear him from his high throne of the Spirit of eternal Man to become again but sensed-clay of earth.
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There is a new thread here someplace on Aspartame eithdrawal. I may have done that one long ago but some much at the same time don't know if I could look at it .. so long ago now.. but the shit gave me Mienere's disease and coronary artery spasm which is why I stopped it...

I started this thread for all this sort of stuff... people are addicted to all sorts of things not good for them.
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So who here plans withdrawal from any of Life's addictions as a NEW YEARs Resolution?

:Hapy New Year:

And in the doing so.. did you know more of this will happen?

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KD: Not only addictions to substances and foods.. but also addictive behaviors are signs of being empty.. lack of purpose. The dark brotherhood wants you addicted to substances because it prevents the finding and manifesting of the Inner Father or your Higher self if you are an advanced soul on duty here. That is the purpose of this thread and why I am posting this article..

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"As you are no doubt aware, presently the United States is experiencing an opioid epidemic. There are many reasons for this—one of the most obvious being the reckless over-subscription of opiate-based painkillers by doctors, leading to dependency. But on a psychological level, we have to take into account the strong relationship between addiction and the lack of a sense of purpose.

To some extent, addiction is the result of a lack of purpose. It’s partly the consequence of experiencing what the psychologist Viktor Frankl called the ‘existential vacuum’—feeling as though there is no purpose or meaning to your life. With a strong sense of purpose, we become very resilient, able to overcome challenges, and to bounce back after setbacks. We are also better able to deal with—and perhaps more motivated to overcome - the painful effects of past trauma. We never wake up in the morning with no reason to get out of bed. Life seems easier, less complicated and stressful. Our minds seem somehow tauter and stronger, with less space for negativity to seep in.

But without a sense of purpose, we are more vulnerable to becoming depressed in response to negative events. We become more susceptible to psychological discord—to boredom, frustration and pessimism. We are more liable to feel the residual pain of trauma from the past (and traumatic past experiences in themselves have also been linked to addiction). Drugs and alcohol are therefore appealing as a way of escaping the psychological problems caused by a lack of purpose. But addiction can also be seen as an attempt to find a purpose. After all, when a person becomes an addict, their lives take on a very strong sense of purpose: to satisfy the addiction. I have often heard addicts describe how life simple life becomes in addiction. There is always a clear goal in your mind and a motivation behind every moment of your existence. Everything else is secondary to the overriding purpose of feeding your addiction. "

MUCH MORE AT LINKY
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When I dont take diazepam for a few days is hell but passes after a week... then I get bad muscle spasms and I have to start taking it again, its a cycle.
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You said you were not an addict CKP!
If you go through hell because you stop taking something, and that hell passes after a week, then what you are experiencing are withdrawal symptoms.
You suffer these symptoms because you are addicted.
No hate from me, just making a point. Diazepam fuck with your mind as well eventually. Try asking your doc for a different med if possible.
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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Tramadol withdrawal nearly killed me. It was the worst 6 months of my life. Helped with my nerve pain- but coming off of it, even in small doeses, was horrific. I wanted to die, and nearly did.

NEVER again. Gabapentine offers similar relief without any withdrawals..at least for me.
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I can suggest from some personal experience it takes 6 months to get off stuff taken for years. I have observed that in others too. No only must one drop it.. the body must reconstruct and heal itself.

Morphine took the same 6 months that Klonopin did..for me. I was off the Klonopin in 3 months but it was 6 months before all the seizures were gone and my concentration etc had returned to normal. I am now off it... and learned a big measure of my chronic pain besides arthritis and such.. is diabetic neuropathy and I am taking much better care of the diabetes.. I thought I was until I discovered pain that came on like clockwork when my blood sugar rose above 225 to 250. The solution is not morphine.. its insulin and exercise to get it back down in that situation.


I remind some here if they missed it.. I was put on Klonopin for restless leg syndrome and never took more and more of it.. the same bedtime dose so I could sleep for I think about 3 years or so. When I learned the restless legs were my low magnesium levels and it was.. after I was on magnesium.. I of course came off the Klonopin... TOO FAST and had some really serious problems.. My doctor said to go back on it and try slower. I followed what my sister in law had done to get of Ciggis. decreasing very gradually a tiny bit every 5 days or so. And exercising in a class she enjoyed.

I have counselled several people on getting off that stuff over the years..
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well months have passed since this thread was used.

What improvements are made if there were new year's resolutions? I still fight a bit with "foodie stuff.".. which is life long. I eat when excited and happy and when I am down in the dumps.

I baked banana bread yesterday... and it will call me for a while.. I had planned to give most of it away... I made it to demonstrate the use of barley flour which makes a rich banana bread without so much " whole grain" taste of whole wheat for example for some who don't like whole grains.

Not having made it for years now with stone ground barley.. I forgot its much higher in fiber than oats and wheat... 2.5 times more than oats which have a decent source of fiber.

Well fiber sucks up water. I made the moistness that is useful in other flours and left it a bit before baking because I had to leave the house a short time.. well.. it sucked up that moisture and its dry.. so not giving it away... will share bits with the squirrels and eat the rest over time. It tastes GOOD though.. just dry.

I will work on not letting it call me from my freezer for snacks. Not good for the diabetes. I had to use quite a bit on insulin yesterday after consuming too much. Its that fresh baked thing with butter.

I learned I have pain and morphine was not an addiction. Its gone from my life except for a tiny before bedtime dose which is not for pain.. but for seizure activity that seriously disturbs my sleep. I have taken NO daytime morphine in 10 months . I keep working on the pain using spiritual techniques... and it is lots better... much of it I learned is diabetic neuropathy... I get really angry sometimes over the diabetes which was given to me and lots of others thru vaccination for pneumonia those who are elderly or disabled are encouraged to take.. I never took the newer ones and will not.. vaccines are used to cause illness... genetic damage..

My MS is from the swine flu vaccine and there was never swine flu at all in those days... the MS is has been quiet for years now.

I have some addiction I suppose to fatigue.. its real but now and then I let it rule more than needed being an excuse or a need to cut back.. The cure is to move each and every time though and I do a lot of that or find something challenging to do. I am glad GLP is now funded again.... that should be obvious in my blast of posting... and the ability to again use my own threads.
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This Creator Writing of today is appropriate .. in terms of giving up so many things not needed we are stuck to. What we are stuck to and don’t need to lug around… are addictions or needs that are not really needed… or attachments to others and things … that do not serve the divine growing you.


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JUN 26, 2019

The Long Run…

As you move through this next leap of growth/learning, it is time to take a very close look at what you have chosen to carry thus far. Imagine you are packing for an extended vacation; you have a limited amount of space but, you want to bring what you feel are essentials. Standing before your closet or dresser, there can be limitless possibilities…and there is only so much you can carry. (Smiling)

The Universe is asking you to look within, sort your options and choose what is best for yourself. Ask yourself if the old stuff you have been packing around ‘forever’ is necessary to move forward. Yes, some of those memories, experiences and situations have an emotional resonance but, do you really need them? Even though they may be challenging to release remember that a lighter load makes for easier traveling. You are moving in a direction you have never been before…a bit of preparation is always worth it in the long run. ~ Creator
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General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.

So I began to cut it back.. more than a bit to fast and landed up quite a mess from that. Serious auditory and funny physical type seizures.. and I felt really bad. I went back to my doctor for advice.. a real mess and he said get back on it POST HASTE and then begin a slower withdrawal.

Well I remembered how my sister in law got off her cigarettes finally after many attempts and adapted her method to my Klonopin.. after the seizures stopped from restoring my "normal " dose.

She had first cut back to low nicotine ciggies.. and then began gradual withdrawal along with joining an exercise club.. Jazzarcize I think. Lets say she was on one pack a day.. I don't remember but that would be 20 ciggies. So for a week she smoked 19 a day for a whole week.. removing her most desired smokes one at a time.. When she started she was smoking 2 ciggies during her night.. and dropped one of them first .

Next week 18 a day... and so on and so forth until she was off and she never took it up again and had far less withdrawal issue.

Now I remember... as I write I was 4. I chose 5 days rather than a week. So for the first 5 dats I took 3 3/4 at bedtime.. next 5 days 3 1/2 and so on and so forth.. I adhered to that strickly all the way thru until that last 1/4 tab... I had minor stuff during this but liveable. So that was 3 months or more.. not doing the math today... but it was another 3 months before all the seizure activity was gone and I felt normal.

**************

Fast forward to June 1.. when I began morphine withdrawal.. I had been on morphine for 17 1/2 years and because of all the new rules which are hurting REAL PEOPLE on it for REAL REASONS.. nobody was willing.. to help me... long story on that.

I will cover details in another post.. but I once again had seizures.. but of a different type and it was hell.. its going to take a full 6 months I think this time..

For you ciggie smokers though.. my relatives experience which motivated me to think anew... on the HOW.. it might work for you... she never once during her withdrawal method snuck in an extra ciggie.... and her body made a wonderful recovery.

Lets make this a question and sharing thread on the experience of any withdrawals.. for some it will be FOOD. and of course that is difficult and I took a journey there too.. because you cannot give up food... only moderate it.

I have given counseling to many here and on other forums in terms of giving up Klonopin which is very difficult to do.
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I’m on 1mg a night and if I don’t take it for a couple of days I seriously cannot function
Anxiety thru the roof but the worst is my brain turns into a dummy. I feel like I’m going to die.
It’s the worst drug you can possibly take and I’m now trying to do just .05

The slow dosage I’m on is so addictive it’s scary
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General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.

So I began to cut it back.. more than a bit to fast and landed up quite a mess from that. Serious auditory and funny physical type seizures.. and I felt really bad. I went back to my doctor for advice.. a real mess and he said get back on it POST HASTE and then begin a slower withdrawal.

Well I remembered how my sister in law got off her cigarettes finally after many attempts and adapted her method to my Klonopin.. after the seizures stopped from restoring my "normal " dose.

She had first cut back to low nicotine ciggies.. and then began gradual withdrawal along with joining an exercise club.. Jazzarcize I think. Lets say she was on one pack a day.. I don't remember but that would be 20 ciggies. So for a week she smoked 19 a day for a whole week.. removing her most desired smokes one at a time.. When she started she was smoking 2 ciggies during her night.. and dropped one of them first .

Next week 18 a day... and so on and so forth until she was off and she never took it up again and had far less withdrawal issue.

Now I remember... as I write I was 4. I chose 5 days rather than a week. So for the first 5 dats I took 3 3/4 at bedtime.. next 5 days 3 1/2 and so on and so forth.. I adhered to that strickly all the way thru until that last 1/4 tab... I had minor stuff during this but liveable. So that was 3 months or more.. not doing the math today... but it was another 3 months before all the seizure activity was gone and I felt normal.

**************

Fast forward to June 1.. when I began morphine withdrawal.. I had been on morphine for 17 1/2 years and because of all the new rules which are hurting REAL PEOPLE on it for REAL REASONS.. nobody was willing.. to help me... long story on that.

I will cover details in another post.. but I once again had seizures.. but of a different type and it was hell.. its going to take a full 6 months I think this time..

For you ciggie smokers though.. my relatives experience which motivated me to think anew... on the HOW.. it might work for you... she never once during her withdrawal method snuck in an extra ciggie.... and her body made a wonderful recovery.

Lets make this a question and sharing thread on the experience of any withdrawals.. for some it will be FOOD. and of course that is difficult and I took a journey there too.. because you cannot give up food... only moderate it.

I have given counseling to many here and on other forums in terms of giving up Klonopin which is very difficult to do.
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I’m on 1mg a night and if I don’t take it for a couple of days I seriously cannot function
Anxiety thru the roof but the worst is my brain turns into a dummy. I feel like I’m going to die.
It’s the worst drug you can possibly take and I’m now trying to do just .05

The slow dosage I’m on is so addictive it’s scary
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Always remember if you stop something you have to start something different.
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General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.

So I began to cut it back.. more than a bit to fast and landed up quite a mess from that. Serious auditory and funny physical type seizures.. and I felt really bad. I went back to my doctor for advice.. a real mess and he said get back on it POST HASTE and then begin a slower withdrawal.

Well I remembered how my sister in law got off her cigarettes finally after many attempts and adapted her method to my Klonopin.. after the seizures stopped from restoring my "normal " dose.

She had first cut back to low nicotine ciggies.. and then began gradual withdrawal along with joining an exercise club.. Jazzarcize I think. Lets say she was on one pack a day.. I don't remember but that would be 20 ciggies. So for a week she smoked 19 a day for a whole week.. removing her most desired smokes one at a time.. When she started she was smoking 2 ciggies during her night.. and dropped one of them first .

Next week 18 a day... and so on and so forth until she was off and she never took it up again and had far less withdrawal issue.

Now I remember... as I write I was 4. I chose 5 days rather than a week. So for the first 5 dats I took 3 3/4 at bedtime.. next 5 days 3 1/2 and so on and so forth.. I adhered to that strickly all the way thru until that last 1/4 tab... I had minor stuff during this but liveable. So that was 3 months or more.. not doing the math today... but it was another 3 months before all the seizure activity was gone and I felt normal.

**************

Fast forward to June 1.. when I began morphine withdrawal.. I had been on morphine for 17 1/2 years and because of all the new rules which are hurting REAL PEOPLE on it for REAL REASONS.. nobody was willing.. to help me... long story on that.

I will cover details in another post.. but I once again had seizures.. but of a different type and it was hell.. its going to take a full 6 months I think this time..

For you ciggie smokers though.. my relatives experience which motivated me to think anew... on the HOW.. it might work for you... she never once during her withdrawal method snuck in an extra ciggie.... and her body made a wonderful recovery.

Lets make this a question and sharing thread on the experience of any withdrawals.. for some it will be FOOD. and of course that is difficult and I took a journey there too.. because you cannot give up food... only moderate it.

I have given counseling to many here and on other forums in terms of giving up Klonopin which is very difficult to do.
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I’m on 1mg a night and if I don’t take it for a couple of days I seriously cannot function
Anxiety thru the roof but the worst is my brain turns into a dummy. I feel like I’m going to die.
It’s the worst drug you can possibly take and I’m now trying to do just .05

The SMALL dosage I’m on is so addictive it’s scary
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General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.

So I began to cut it back.. more than a bit to fast and landed up quite a mess from that. Serious auditory and funny physical type seizures.. and I felt really bad. I went back to my doctor for advice.. a real mess and he said get back on it POST HASTE and then begin a slower withdrawal.

Well I remembered how my sister in law got off her cigarettes finally after many attempts and adapted her method to my Klonopin.. after the seizures stopped from restoring my "normal " dose.

She had first cut back to low nicotine ciggies.. and then began gradual withdrawal along with joining an exercise club.. Jazzarcize I think. Lets say she was on one pack a day.. I don't remember but that would be 20 ciggies. So for a week she smoked 19 a day for a whole week.. removing her most desired smokes one at a time.. When she started she was smoking 2 ciggies during her night.. and dropped one of them first .

Next week 18 a day... and so on and so forth until she was off and she never took it up again and had far less withdrawal issue.

Now I remember... as I write I was 4. I chose 5 days rather than a week. So for the first 5 dats I took 3 3/4 at bedtime.. next 5 days 3 1/2 and so on and so forth.. I adhered to that strickly all the way thru until that last 1/4 tab... I had minor stuff during this but liveable. So that was 3 months or more.. not doing the math today... but it was another 3 months before all the seizure activity was gone and I felt normal.

**************

Fast forward to June 1.. when I began morphine withdrawal.. I had been on morphine for 17 1/2 years and because of all the new rules which are hurting REAL PEOPLE on it for REAL REASONS.. nobody was willing.. to help me... long story on that.

I will cover details in another post.. but I once again had seizures.. but of a different type and it was hell.. its going to take a full 6 months I think this time..

For you ciggie smokers though.. my relatives experience which motivated me to think anew... on the HOW.. it might work for you... she never once during her withdrawal method snuck in an extra ciggie.... and her body made a wonderful recovery.

Lets make this a question and sharing thread on the experience of any withdrawals.. for some it will be FOOD. and of course that is difficult and I took a journey there too.. because you cannot give up food... only moderate it.

I have given counseling to many here and on other forums in terms of giving up Klonopin which is very difficult to do.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


I’m on 1mg a night and if I don’t take it for a couple of days I seriously cannot function
Anxiety thru the roof but the worst is my brain turns into a dummy. I feel like I’m going to die.
It’s the worst drug you can possibly take and I’m now trying to do just .05

The SMALL dosage I’m on is so addictive it’s scary
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General purpose thread to post stories of all sorts of withdrawals.

Many years ago maybe about 1998 I was put on Klonopin for serious restless legs.. a single dose at bedtime. I remember taking 3 or 4 of them at bedtime.. and I don't recall the dose in the tablets.

Well in 2000 I found out the restless legs were serious magnesium deficiency... and so I came off the Klonopin.. the total withdrawal time took 6 months.

I was not addicted to it.. same dose for 2 or 3 years every night.. never craving.. just needing the freedom from the restless legs.. it took that dose whatever it was to quiet my legs.

So I began to cut it back.. more than a bit to fast and landed up quite a mess from that. Serious auditory and funny physical type seizures.. and I felt really bad. I went back to my doctor for advice.. a real mess and he said get back on it POST HASTE and then begin a slower withdrawal.

Well I remembered how my sister in law got off her cigarettes finally after many attempts and adapted her method to my Klonopin.. after the seizures stopped from restoring my "normal " dose.

She had first cut back to low nicotine ciggies.. and then began gradual withdrawal along with joining an exercise club.. Jazzarcize I think. Lets say she was on one pack a day.. I don't remember but that would be 20 ciggies. So for a week she smoked 19 a day for a whole week.. removing her most desired smokes one at a time.. When she started she was smoking 2 ciggies during her night.. and dropped one of them first .

Next week 18 a day... and so on and so forth until she was off and she never took it up again and had far less withdrawal issue.

Now I remember... as I write I was 4. I chose 5 days rather than a week. So for the first 5 dats I took 3 3/4 at bedtime.. next 5 days 3 1/2 and so on and so forth.. I adhered to that strickly all the way thru until that last 1/4 tab... I had minor stuff during this but liveable. So that was 3 months or more.. not doing the math today... but it was another 3 months before all the seizure activity was gone and I felt normal.

**************

Fast forward to June 1.. when I began morphine withdrawal.. I had been on morphine for 17 1/2 years and because of all the new rules which are hurting REAL PEOPLE on it for REAL REASONS.. nobody was willing.. to help me... long story on that.

I will cover details in another post.. but I once again had seizures.. but of a different type and it was hell.. its going to take a full 6 months I think this time..

For you ciggie smokers though.. my relatives experience which motivated me to think anew... on the HOW.. it might work for you... she never once during her withdrawal method snuck in an extra ciggie.... and her body made a wonderful recovery.

Lets make this a question and sharing thread on the experience of any withdrawals.. for some it will be FOOD. and of course that is difficult and I took a journey there too.. because you cannot give up food... only moderate it.

I have given counseling to many here and on other forums in terms of giving up Klonopin which is very difficult to do.
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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It is hell. I stopped those cold turkey without tapering off and ended up trying to kill myself. Made it though.

Good thread OP! Thanks for what you are sharing.


hf
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L-theanine 100 to 200 mg on an empty stomach 2-3 times a day helps for quitting smoking A LOT.

Takes all the irritability and edginess away. Very calming without making you sleepy. VERY good stuff. It's a supplement, not pharmaceutical. Helps with focus as brain fog too.

Make sure it doesn't react with any medications if your on any, before trying it.
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When I dont take diazepam for a few days is hell but passes after a week... then I get bad muscle spasms and I have to start taking it again, its a cycle.
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You would be better off taking CBD oil.
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Klonopin has a very long half life which is why it is problematic. Take it slow and be careful. I hope you're doing much better now.

Tramadol was the worse thing I ever stopped taking, Oh my goodness. If you do a search for Tramadol withdrawals you might be surprised at what you see.
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It is hell. I stopped those cold turkey without tapering off and ended up trying to kill myself. Made it though.

Good thread OP! Thanks for what you are sharing.


hf
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coming off Klonopin by method of cold turkey was awfull and I had to switch to gradual reduction over I think it was 3 months.. I may have written it up in this thread.. not sure… I was on it for restless legs. never took extra .. never craved it etc.

Tramadol made me sick and didn’t work so I was on it for only a few days.

I see some of my posting was quoted from earlier in this thread.. Editing now. Anyway.. it was discovered that my restless legs were caused by Magnesium deficiency… that is why I came off it.. because the magnesium worked.


at this time of spiritual clarity development which is why I posted the god piece above today.. glad so many responded…

we have addictions to bad friends that abuse us…. silly addictions to doing some things a certain way… and if the schedule or whatever gets off.. people fry sometimes. Panic attacks in some.. I have seen this.

we often do not realize how many BEHAVIORS that do not truly serve we have.

I would love to see anything and everything one is addicted to discussed here… it will help many to read. I will find some more of min and add them..
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We are going to have some more stress as the change continues… and these so called little addictions ever can raise some ugly heads… its a good experiment to unload some baggage.
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How many of you play continuous LOOPS of old events in your mind.. its time to let those go… forgive them or the others involved and move out of them.. because they take UP YOUR TIME… This is the time of redemption.. and you need not play them.. let them go…. So you have time for NEW. hf

I have played those too… I still play some loops from the horrid eviction process in which my home of 34 years was taken from me… the solutions happened… I am in a much better place… younger well built home… and I have to remind myself now and then to stop playing those tapes.. because that story is DONE… hf

What tapes do each of you perhaps still play? I don’t play most of the family tapes anymore either… it serves no further purpose. Especially give up your WORRY WART stuff. KAN DAEK.
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And beloved Christians.. LIVE YOUR NOW and tell personal stories…

This is NOT thousands of years ago. Religious LIVING is in the NOW… each and every day…. those were olden people in those mistranslated stories.. LOOK AT YOUR WORLD AS IT IS.

Religious living means live in daily contact with your inner Father and striving to become LIKE HIM… ..

You must of course search.. God seeking people do that.. but you ones have addictions… to that book. WRITE YOUR OWN STORIES OF FAITH and LIVE IT… the stories are more important than ancient quotes.
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Good thread. And all these things need to be done with love, gentleness, to bless whatever crutches we have used and then to slowly master recovery from everything. Gently reducing and removing.

People need to start gaining compassion and extend that compassion to themselves.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light!
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Kinda obvious from the rash of porn threads here lately that some posters have sex addiction problems... Which are less than Holy. enough said.
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New plethora of "Christian" etc threads today... The dark shits have produced full fledged addiction to the UNREAL within Christianity to the pont people cannot LIVE without this stuff. IT IS NOT HOW GOD WORKS>

Today we have red heifer stuff again and the temples again and so on and so forth. IT IS NOT REAL.. it is STORIES and nothing more.





GLP