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GLP. It's time to really talk about this because it's coming to everyone. Red Flag Laws | |
| Noble Six
Offer Upgrade  User ID: 73869720  United States11/15/2018 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't agree with this Pre-Crime ideology. I don't agree with how ANYONE can file a complaint to a sitting Judge and then have your #2A stripped for a minimum of one year and then be reviewed and potentially stripped indefinitely. Understand the underlying point here. You can be tried without DUE PROCESS. Zero defense. Surrender your firearms or else. Maryland's Red Flag Law that is hailed to be a success has already claimed the life one man. We don't even know WHY the petition was filed, but we do know this much, the man spoke his mind and that my fellow GLPers is why a member of his OWN FAMILY filed suit against him without his knowledge. The cops showed up at his home at 0500hrs. He answered the door with his gun in hand, for this I have no reckoning, he set his pistol down. Heard what the cops had to say. They attempted to take his gun. He grabbed it. A melee ensued. his firearm discharged, the supporting cop shot the man. He died on site at his home. His niece testified that none of this was even necessary. [link to revolutionradio.org] Oregon has gone straight communist on this too. Unless there really is a silent majority of #2A supporters in Oregon, that State is overrun with total disarmament insanity. [link to revolutionradio.org] I do not know where many swing on this topic, but for those of you that are #2A like me, this warrants your attention in terms of awareness. Think about that. To those of you that are either anti-#2A or simply afraid of guns, think about this. The police are not mandated to protect you, they will protect their own before they opt to lay down their life for you. Chew on this for a bit. [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] [link to www.firearmsandliberty.com (secure)] Understand this much, it's not a complex situation here. Only the Office of the Sheriff is mandated to go above and beyond. They have the flexibility to do so. Also, the most important aspects of the Office of the Sheriff is their accountability to the Constitution of the United States of America. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Combine what you know here and what you all will discover through independent investigation and you will find a very bad fight fixin' to happen here. Many sheriff's offices will not go along with this Red Flag Law. It's un-Constitutional. Talk to your local Sheriff's Offices on the matter and see where they stand on this. Otherwise, expect people to die over this felonious "law" and see retaliation come both politically and physically. The Left is playing their hands in the clear. Get hip to this and educate others. Stand ready.  That is all for now. Stay frosty.  NobleSix “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” - Mahatma Gandhi "Socialists destroy the economy piece by piece, but Fascists step in during the chaos and kill the host." - The GoldenJackass "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." - Reid Henrichs - Valor Ridge "Marcus. Never end the fight!" - Lt.Mike "Murph" Murphy USN SEAL - Team Leader of Spartan 01 - Operation Red Wings 06/28/05 "Why don't you go preach that in all those wealthy Arab countries who are taking zero refugees, pope? Oh, right. Because preaching, at all, over there, will get your head cut off." "These people aren't fleeing oppression. They're spreading it." - Revbo "Your comment is not only illogical; it promotes a double standard that tells women they can act without accountability. That's not #Equality: that's #Impunity. Congratulations to you for advocating sexism against men." -Firebrand Central |
| Wondering Mind
User ID: 73265267 United States11/15/2018 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that without due process was authorized on a federal level through round table discussions with the ones wanting to do away with guns all together. They are just like Hitler and other under him did call everybody crazy if they felt like it, as we can see today there are many who had no problem lying and turning on their own people to tag them as crazy. Messing with what worked as far as due process went for citizens will be the wholesale way to take them out. From Government level people being taken out to the common people being taken out. Tweaking your Constitution and its rights one little tweak at a time. Sometimes sneak tweaks laced into bills that had nothing to do with the Constitution or its rights. There are Constitutional things being used to campaign off of, to stir people up for it and then there must the opposite to that, you get those who oppose a Constitutional Right. Gaming your National Law away one law at a time. Last Edited by Wondering Mind on 11/15/2018 02:53 PM The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds. |
| Well She Hates Me
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| Wondering Mind
User ID: 73265267 United States11/15/2018 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There should be a law enacted to make it illegal to politically campaign to remove a part or all of our Constitution and its rights, or to use it as political bargaining chips, as though you can give it away unto those you draw in to take it away from the entire Nation with out their consent. There should be an off limit line for such as our Constitution, not everything is up for give away for play. Last Edited by Wondering Mind on 11/15/2018 02:58 PM The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds. |
| Wondering Mind
User ID: 73265267 United States11/15/2018 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is fine you can agree with the loss of your due process when your State turns into one that does not recognize it. Last Edited by Wondering Mind on 11/15/2018 03:00 PM The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds. |
| burneracct
User ID: 1712129 United States11/15/2018 03:00 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Last Edited by burneracct on 11/15/2018 03:02 PM Pfizer redefining rare. |
| Wondering Mind
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| Noble Six
(OP) User ID: 73869720 United States11/15/2018 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's ok. That's why she hates you...  NobleSix “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” - Mahatma Gandhi "Socialists destroy the economy piece by piece, but Fascists step in during the chaos and kill the host." - The GoldenJackass "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." - Reid Henrichs - Valor Ridge "Marcus. Never end the fight!" - Lt.Mike "Murph" Murphy USN SEAL - Team Leader of Spartan 01 - Operation Red Wings 06/28/05 "Why don't you go preach that in all those wealthy Arab countries who are taking zero refugees, pope? Oh, right. Because preaching, at all, over there, will get your head cut off." "These people aren't fleeing oppression. They're spreading it." - Revbo "Your comment is not only illogical; it promotes a double standard that tells women they can act without accountability. That's not #Equality: that's #Impunity. Congratulations to you for advocating sexism against men." -Firebrand Central |
| Noble Six
(OP) User ID: 73869720 United States11/15/2018 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Quoting: burneracct All the more reason to be aware of this "law". This man's death should be waking people up to what's coming. NobleSix “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” - Mahatma Gandhi "Socialists destroy the economy piece by piece, but Fascists step in during the chaos and kill the host." - The GoldenJackass "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." - Reid Henrichs - Valor Ridge "Marcus. Never end the fight!" - Lt.Mike "Murph" Murphy USN SEAL - Team Leader of Spartan 01 - Operation Red Wings 06/28/05 "Why don't you go preach that in all those wealthy Arab countries who are taking zero refugees, pope? Oh, right. Because preaching, at all, over there, will get your head cut off." "These people aren't fleeing oppression. They're spreading it." - Revbo "Your comment is not only illogical; it promotes a double standard that tells women they can act without accountability. That's not #Equality: that's #Impunity. Congratulations to you for advocating sexism against men." -Firebrand Central |
| Noble Six
(OP) User ID: 73869720 United States11/15/2018 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The're not evening hiding their hate anymore. They're done with incrementalism. They want whole kit & kaboodle. NobleSix “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” - Mahatma Gandhi "Socialists destroy the economy piece by piece, but Fascists step in during the chaos and kill the host." - The GoldenJackass "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." - Reid Henrichs - Valor Ridge "Marcus. Never end the fight!" - Lt.Mike "Murph" Murphy USN SEAL - Team Leader of Spartan 01 - Operation Red Wings 06/28/05 "Why don't you go preach that in all those wealthy Arab countries who are taking zero refugees, pope? Oh, right. Because preaching, at all, over there, will get your head cut off." "These people aren't fleeing oppression. They're spreading it." - Revbo "Your comment is not only illogical; it promotes a double standard that tells women they can act without accountability. That's not #Equality: that's #Impunity. Congratulations to you for advocating sexism against men." -Firebrand Central |
| 4thhorseman
User ID: 76632592 United States11/15/2018 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  SICSEMPERTYRANIS Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum Vi veri universum vivus vici "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact". Arthur Conan Doyle "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth". Arthur Conan Doyle MOLON LABE [link to www.usavsus.info] |
| Weyoun
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77064257 United States11/15/2018 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he was harmless he would've given them the gun and then gotten it back through due legal process. With extra money for his pain and suffering if the request was without cause.Lawyers are better than bullets. The dangers of guns vs. everything else really needs some hard data. While the old wheezing vietnam veteran who was so ready for service they sent him to somewhere that was not vietnam and only let him handle a rifle once in his military career can still have his huge gun falling out of his pants on the ball field at the elementary school as he shuffles around muttering about Masons always having things lined up east to west, but we have to keep dispensaries a thousand feet away from the kids? |
| Noble Six
(OP) User ID: 73869720 United States11/15/2018 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he was harmless he would've given them the gun and then gotten it back through due legal process. With extra money for his pain and suffering if the request was without cause.Lawyers are better than bullets. Quoting: Asmodée The dangers of guns vs. everything else really needs some hard data. While the old wheezing vietnam veteran who was so ready for service they sent him to somewhere that was not vietnam and only let him handle a rifle once in his military career can still have his huge gun falling out of his pants on the ball field at the elementary school as he shuffles around muttering about Masons always having things lined up east to west, but we have to keep dispensaries a thousand feet away from the kids? You do understand that the minimum wait time on having your firearms taken under the Red Flag Laws are one year, right? NobleSix “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” - Mahatma Gandhi "Socialists destroy the economy piece by piece, but Fascists step in during the chaos and kill the host." - The GoldenJackass "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." - Reid Henrichs - Valor Ridge "Marcus. Never end the fight!" - Lt.Mike "Murph" Murphy USN SEAL - Team Leader of Spartan 01 - Operation Red Wings 06/28/05 "Why don't you go preach that in all those wealthy Arab countries who are taking zero refugees, pope? Oh, right. Because preaching, at all, over there, will get your head cut off." "These people aren't fleeing oppression. They're spreading it." - Revbo "Your comment is not only illogical; it promotes a double standard that tells women they can act without accountability. That's not #Equality: that's #Impunity. Congratulations to you for advocating sexism against men." -Firebrand Central |
| burneracct
User ID: 1712129 United States11/15/2018 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If he was harmless he would've given them the gun and then gotten it back through due legal process. With extra money for his pain and suffering if the request was without cause.Lawyers are better than bullets. Quoting: Asmodée The dangers of guns vs. everything else really needs some hard data. While the old wheezing vietnam veteran who was so ready for service they sent him to somewhere that was not vietnam and only let him handle a rifle once in his military career can still have his huge gun falling out of his pants on the ball field at the elementary school as he shuffles around muttering about Masons always having things lined up east to west, but we have to keep dispensaries a thousand feet away from the kids? through due legal process? perhaps you dont realize innocent until proven guilty perhaps you dont realize the right to life liberty and property perhaps you dont realize this was illegal seizure without probable cause perhaps you dont realize right to bear arms shall not be infringed. perhaps you dont realize the right to face your accuser. perhaps you dont have any clue about legal due process at all. Pfizer redefining rare. |
| darkwolf007
User ID: 77086694 United States11/15/2018 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Quoting: burneracct I really wonder if there's a questionnaire for new cops. If one does such exist and there's a question, "What is the U.S. Constitution?". Cops who answer correctly are summarily dismissed, and cops who are clueless or against our Constitution are promptly given their shiny new badge and gun. Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
| Noble Six
(OP) User ID: 73869720 United States11/15/2018 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Quoting: burneracct I really wonder if there's a questionnaire for new cops. If one does such exist and there's a question, "What is the U.S. Constitution?". Cops who answer correctly are summarily dismissed, and cops who are clueless or against our Constitution are promptly given their shiny new badge and gun. Municipal Police Departments are not obligated to follow and/or protect the Constitution. Only the Office of the Sheriff is. So many people do not know this. NobleSix “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” - Mahatma Gandhi "Socialists destroy the economy piece by piece, but Fascists step in during the chaos and kill the host." - The GoldenJackass "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others." - Reid Henrichs - Valor Ridge "Marcus. Never end the fight!" - Lt.Mike "Murph" Murphy USN SEAL - Team Leader of Spartan 01 - Operation Red Wings 06/28/05 "Why don't you go preach that in all those wealthy Arab countries who are taking zero refugees, pope? Oh, right. Because preaching, at all, over there, will get your head cut off." "These people aren't fleeing oppression. They're spreading it." - Revbo "Your comment is not only illogical; it promotes a double standard that tells women they can act without accountability. That's not #Equality: that's #Impunity. Congratulations to you for advocating sexism against men." -Firebrand Central |
| darkwolf007
User ID: 77086694 United States11/15/2018 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Quoting: burneracct I really wonder if there's a questionnaire for new cops. If one does such exist and there's a question, "What is the U.S. Constitution?". Cops who answer correctly are summarily dismissed, and cops who are clueless or against our Constitution are promptly given their shiny new badge and gun. Municipal Police Departments are not obligated to follow and/or protect the Constitution. Only the Office of the Sheriff is. So many people do not know this. Yes. Conspiracy Theorist is nothing more than a derogatory title used to dismiss a critical thinker. A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." -- St. Anthony The Great Social Credit Loser here. |
| burneracct
User ID: 1712129 United States11/15/2018 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Quoting: burneracct I really wonder if there's a questionnaire for new cops. If one does such exist and there's a question, "What is the U.S. Constitution?". Cops who answer correctly are summarily dismissed, and cops who are clueless or against our Constitution are promptly given their shiny new badge and gun. Municipal Police Departments are not obligated to follow and/or protect the Constitution. Only the Office of the Sheriff is. So many people do not know this. In my area the police officers must take an oath... "On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the Constitution, my community, and the agency I serve." Pfizer redefining rare. |
| TheUnknownSoldier
User ID: 71144984 United States11/15/2018 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They destroyed the 1st , 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment rights of this man all at once. Quoting: burneracct I really wonder if there's a questionnaire for new cops. If one does such exist and there's a question, "What is the U.S. Constitution?". Cops who answer correctly are summarily dismissed, and cops who are clueless or against our Constitution are promptly given their shiny new badge and gun. Municipal Police Departments are not obligated to follow and/or protect the Constitution. Only the Office of the Sheriff is. So many people do not know this. In my area the police officers must take an oath... "On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the Constitution, my community, and the agency I serve." Most don't I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. ~It's interesting how many atheists are willing to risk eternity over something they can't possibly know is true. It's like standing on the train tracks, blind and deaf, convinced that there is no such thing as trains~ |
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| burneracct
User ID: 1712129 United States11/15/2018 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: darkwolf007 I really wonder if there's a questionnaire for new cops. If one does such exist and there's a question, "What is the U.S. Constitution?". Cops who answer correctly are summarily dismissed, and cops who are clueless or against our Constitution are promptly given their shiny new badge and gun. Municipal Police Departments are not obligated to follow and/or protect the Constitution. Only the Office of the Sheriff is. So many people do not know this. In my area the police officers must take an oath... "On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the Constitution, my community, and the agency I serve." Most don't  Pfizer redefining rare. |
| Nexus-9
User ID: 68597439  Germany11/15/2018 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Talk to your local Sheriff's Offices on the matter and see where they stand on this. Quoting: Noble Six Uhm, I wouldn't talk to any cop about that, unless that cop was a friend who I can talk to as another person. But, nope wouldn't bring the matter up at all with them. "Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc" - William Blake, America a Prophecy (...also misquoted in Blade Runner by Roy Batty) "Tempus est optimus iudex" - "Time is the best judge" "The very word "'secrecy'" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings." - John F. Kennedy, New York City, April 27, 1961 |
| burneracct
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| Graboid_Hunter
User ID: 76258609 United States11/15/2018 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Red Flag laws are one of those things where when they're done right, they can save lives and make the world a better place... and when done wrong, they're a nightmare. In most cases these are not laws where based on some jilted ex's say so, they take all your guns and run them through a shredder. That's not how it's supposed to work. The problem is, you can't take guns away from EVERYBODY because that's clearly unconstitutional. And you can't let people who are adjudicated as crazy acquire guns. There's still a problem with those people that are crazy and potentially violent ENOUGH that everyone who knows them can see it a mile off, but they haven't actually DONE anything yet that categorizes them as a prohibited person. The object here is to get help for people who need it, before they cause irreparable harm to themselves or others. An ounce of prevention being worth more than a pound of cure. Before they make a mess that no amount of tears can clean up. If you're doing a fair amount of interviewing people who know the person up front, and yup, they all think he's getting to the point where he's running dangerously off the rails, and you only keep the firearms a short time before the person has representation and a day in court to have his side heard... if they can get their weapons returned in good shape after having cleared up the misunderstanding or gotten treatment... then to me, that's not a big deal. If you're not doing those things, then yes, it's potentially a big deal especially if it's more than one person in 10,000 that you're subjecting to this process. A well-crafted and well-implemented Red Flag law would take 90% of the wind out of anti-gunner's sails to restrict EVERONE'S access to guns when it's only the criminals and crazies we need to be concerned about. Liberals - you don't like the NRA? Quickest way in the world to make the NRA irrelevant is to QUIT TRYING RESTRICT FIREARMS RIGHTS OF ORDINARY LAW ABIDING PEOPLE! The NRA would quickly become insignificant and we could move on to more productive discussions and you'd find a lot of decent gun owners on your side about many social or fiscal issues. But if the only reason you don't like the NRA is because they protect gun owners from people that want to take something away from them... then you are the author of your own problem there. Last Edited by Graboid_Hunter on 11/15/2018 04:31 PM |
