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Much has been written about when one dies ... NOT going into the light will persevere your memories +- and allow one to join a higher group of beings vs our past earth associates that are again trapped in the reincarnation cycle

Any comments ?
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There is a 'universal agreement' if you will with a lot of these spirits. It's why Christ says not to bound yourself with any sort of 'contract' and it's why this world often operates on contracts.

Your bank, your citizenship, your phone, your computer, based of legal contract agreements.

Often times, you'll be tricked into renewing your reincarnation cycle from: bogus mind tricks, deception, 'karma' guilt, list goes on. You'll 'agree' to these terms...

And I often ask if this scenario is even ethical, which it's not! If we are born in material world chaos, grow up enmeshed in chaos, death, decay... how can one have any fighting chance to move out of 'the pit'?

You don't.. and that in lies the 'Savior' theory. There's an excellent doctoral paper I recently read about a group of Gnostics that studied rituals and preparations to change one's 'fate'. As Christ said, you can move mountains with Faith but changing fate takes an extreme amount of belief.

This book and thesis demonstrated the rituals, the studies of the belief, and how to manipulate the Archon known as Fate. Of course, the Orthodox church will scream, "blasphemy!" and burn you at the stake.. and in lies the worst part. Forget your material body, it's the spiritual 'mind wiping' to make you forget this knowledge and not repeat it.

I've come to a conclusion that I'll have to start a new Christian Gnostic movement in a few years. The world has been deceived too long about the first believers of Yeshua/Christ. But since I've studied this knowledge, comprehended it, and used it to my advantage as a 'confirmation bias' (which indeed, this Gnostic/Christian belief system does work. Very much the same way with Jesus, Peter, and floating on water), I HAVE to spread the Good News of these truths.

Here's why:

"And the savior/Christ showed these things to him that he might write them down and keep them safe. And he said to him, "Doomed be everyone who will trade these things for a present or for food or for water or for robes or for any other material thing." And these were presented to him in a mystery, and he disappeared from him. And he went to his brethren disciples and related to them what the savior had said."
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LET ME SAY ALMOST all of this is BS dear one... You must be a zionist?


I could care less about this planet or world..

You can have, or not have, your zion of this world.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

For what.. a mansion of gold? some milk, or honey, to sustain your body that eats, shits, and pisses itself everyday?

Why not be like Enoch and create things into being with just the Word/Logos?

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Much has been written about when one dies ... NOT going into the light will persevere your memories +- and allow one to join a higher group of beings vs our past earth associates that are again trapped in the reincarnation cycle

Any comments ?
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As far as I can tell, you'll want to leave the Material World all together.

Have you heard of Baphomet, or Abrasax/Abraxas? Though they have negative cannotations to their names being 'demonic' spirits, I'm not sure..

See, you'll see research into the Watchers from Enoch and notice they taught man: metallurgy, make up, warfare, but oddly enough, 'magic'. These beings are inherently 'bad' from what I can tell because they taught man materialism, lust, and warfare/death.

As for Bapthomet, Abrasax, Sophia, Aeonic spirits, they transcend material worlds. This is a material world and while one occupies such a place, atomic structures are its building blocks. Powerful entities can manipulate this place, as often seen with magicians (which the old terms in Greece/Christian times are Magus', and the occult often call higher ranking members Magus, magician, etc).

My theory on this world is this: it's a material prison.

If you're a prisoner, and all you've known in the prison life, you'll try to find ways to excel in such an environment: death, murder, drugs, gangs. From what I can see, we are the prisoners while the guards are material being 'archons'; with their leader as Ialdabaoth. But... that's scratching the surface.

Who pays for the prison facility? Aeonic spirits. What government do they identify with? Aeonic realms. Which country does it fall under? Adamu, Man, Nous?...

I'm really confounded.. and to be honest, this world is a joke compared to what really exists.
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Damn all that just to cover up for that your over and you think your going to heaven. I told you your over and you sleep with over women.


When it comes to black friday, I'll stand down by the door, and catch the grey men when they dive from the 14th floor


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I sleep with women? Yes.

I also slandered, gluttoned, and lusted after many things.

Why? It is because I, we, and countless others, were born into sin. I once, as did everyone born into 'this world', have the false spirit of the devil. It is not our fault I and others are born into material bodies, material sin, in a material world.

"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

I am done with you Sir.

Do not listen to me if you believe I am false but do listen to the perfect man.
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Ultimately though, when you read all of those NDE accounts- as I did years ago- initially they appear to be very comforting...
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


I've been exploring/contemplating the NDE literature (in depth) sporadically since the early 2000's...

There are in fact what they call 'distressing' NDE's... NDE Researcher Nancy E. Bush wrote a book about them, and conducted research into the matter...

- Some NDE's are distressing for the experiencer simply because of their prior frame of reference and how they subjectively respond to the content...

- Two people can have NDE's that feature roughly the same type of experience and environment - and one of those individuals can describe that experience as amazing/profound/enlightening - and one of those individuals can describe that similar experience as alarming/frightening/disconcerting... Again, this ties back to the element of subjectivity and one's frame of reference...

- Some people have NDE's that start off as distressing and then change/transition into something that is uplifting/rewarding/eye-opening

- Some individuals have NDE experiences that are only distressing/alarming (but these too can be utilized as vehicles for growth after the fact)

According to the author/researcher referenced above - there is no identifiable reason why certain individuals have different types of experiences... That there is no apparent causal link between the type of experience had and one's religion/philosophy, character/personality, etc... That it wasn't simply 'bad people' having distressing NDE's, or non-religious people only having distressing NDE's...

For most of my life, I was an atheist. I believed that even if there was a 'god'- it wouldn't be a god that I could worship. Observing how religious ideology (for the most part) played out on this planet only served to strengthen those views for me.
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I agree with how religious ideology does not impart a certain quality of character in individuals who profess belief in it.. It's predominantly mind-based (physical mind based)... Anyone can claim any ideology as their own and then act however they please and still claim their religious identity and believe that it entitles them to special status or or a special reward when they die...

And if we're going to emphasize the importance of one's character and the ability to feel/express various virtues (compassion, empathy, selflessness, love/acceptance, forgiveness, altruism, etc) - well it's readily apparent to me that you do not require any external religious ideology to do this or to lead by example or to find value in the virtues and peoples' actual character/nature (regardless of any ideological affiliation).

Moreover, I couldn't see why living a good honest life, irrespective of religious belief, would preclude you from entering 'heaven'- didn't seem very fair to me, or how a benevolent 'god' would operate.
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Yes it doesn't make any sense as presented. Apparently convicted rapists and murderers can enter 'heaven' alongside their victims - because they went to prison and found the right religion/ideology.... Yet your little old agnostic lady neighbor dies of a sudden heart attack and apparently she can't go to 'heaven' because she forgot to choose the 'right' beliefs/ideology before she passed... Again, doesn't make sense and does not speak to any higher principle of justice, fairness, equanimity, love, compassion...

Anyway, what struck me with the NDE accounts was the recurring theme of 'judgement'. Mainly, that it seemed impossible to get it right in this world, short of holing yourself up in a cave and avoiding all contact with other living beings... it's the nature of the dynamic here that you're going to fuck up, you're going to inadvertently hurt others, you're going to have regrets, things that you're ashamed about and things that you wished you could do differently.
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I'm not sure which site(s) or book(s) you exposed yourself to but I can tell you in my decade plus of exploring this material the 'life review' process/experience is one of the most commonly reported aspects of NDE's and the message that is frequently reported is that all sense of 'judgement' was originating from WITHIN - not from any external 'beings' or 'deities'... It was coming from a higher perspective within the individual, or let's say the soul-level awareness. And these reviews are not simply focused on 'negative' experiences or behaviors that an individual endured through - it can/will feature everything that is of value... The individual experiences a multi-dimensional awareness whereby they are shown or directly experience the point of view, the perspective, the awareness of other people who one came into contact with, and how they were affected by the interactions and relations (both 'positive' and 'negative'. So it's not all centered around reviewing things that may make someone feel uncomfortable or bad... All the ways in which someone helped others, the selfless actions, the positive interactions and acts of selflessness - that's all 'recorded' and there to, to be reviewed. Even all the 'small things' and 'little things' that most people convince themselves don't really matter or account for anything.... They do...

It's very important to acknowledge and understand that in these special non-ordinary states brought about by NDE's - the individual is experiencing an entirely enhanced state of being (state of awareness). So far removed from the normal everyday state of being (state of awareness) experienced in the embodied state. A lot of what is experienced during the NDE is done so through a different perspective, a different reference point. From the state of awareness that is no longer identified with the human character (human identity) as a source of self (as one's identity). Many individuals report having no attachment to their lifeless physical body. There is no sense of having lost anything simply because the body is incapacited and near death.

So in order to really understand the literature and the implications of it - you must somehow account for this change in perspective, change in reference points, and the fact that this is an entirely enhanced state of being (state of awareness) in which these experiences are playing out. You can't get an accurate reading and understanding for what is transpiring and the implications of it all if you try to process it all from the awareness and prespective of primarily being identified with your human character/identity as one's source of self. That's not the correct reference point for understanding the multi-dimensional nature of reality/existence because everything form-based in this physical dimension/reality is temporary. These bodies, these possessions, the stories we make up about ourselves and our identities as it relates to experiencing this world...

Example: the notion of incarnating here takes on an entirely different light to the individual who is experiencing the soul-level awareness that knows it is eternal and ultimately cannot be harmed - and it takes on an entirely different light to the individual who is experiencing the state of awareness that is rooted in individuality, separateness, and the physical world... The individual whose conscious state is rooted in the soul-level awareness will not fear physical 'death', because he/she knows it is only the temporary vessel that gets shed. However the individual whose conscious state is primarily rooted in the physical world, the physical body, and physical identity and the stories weaved around it - that individual has every reason to fear 'physical death' because from that limiting reference point, the very thought/imagination of 'dying' represents a perceive very real threat to one's identity/existence...

Does this make sense how one's state of awareness and reference point or perspective greatly influences how reality/existence is perceived? The light in which it is perceived changes substantially as an individual's state of awareness changes & expands....

And whilst these near-death experiencers reported an overwhelming sense of 'acceptance' and 'love', the message coming through time and time again was that they had to repeat the human experience to 'get it right', to 'learn about love' to 'evolve' and 'improve'...
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Commonly people report being told that they had to return to their body and their human experience because there was still work to be done and experiences to be had. Not that they had to 'live another life' or that once they really died they would have to repeat this experience.

The human identity is illusory because it's temporary and impermanent. It doesn't last... The only thing that you bring with you when you leave here is your conscious energy (state of consciousness) and the connections that you've formed with the conscious energy of other 'beings" (people, animals, etc)... This is why refining your conscious energy (state of consciousness) is reinforced and valued - because that's all that lasts and has permanence... That's what you take with you as you travel reality/existence... The external forms are always transient and subject to change...

Think about it, if there are a multitude of dimensions (dimensional environments) to experience as part of your larger existence - how would one gain access to experience them? By way of physical accomplishments in this physical world? By way of choosing a certain religion and claiming certain ideological beliefs?

Or how about by way of refining and evolving one's state of consciousness and state of awareness - and thereby literally changing one's conscious energy (soul) in the process and unlocking new perceptions. How about by elevating/enhancing one's ability to feel and express the various virtues?

Wouldn't that seem most fair and just? That you put in the challenging/hard work to refine and evolve your own state of being - and through doing so you enhance/elevate the manner in which you are able to experience your existence... Certainly doesn't seem fair/just to me for anyone to claim that people should earn this through claiming religious/ideological affiliation, or from any 'worldly accomplishments'... It has to be cultivated from within...

What I'm saying is, how do we learn and improve? We learn from past mistakes in order to not repeat them hopefully.
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The process of learning, if it is legit/valid, changes you... It changes your state of being (state of consciousness, state of awareness). Let's say one of your parents really hurt you and did you wrong in this lifetime - but through years of challenging inner-work - you brought yourself to a state of being able to accept what you experienced and to find forgiveness for that individual. That is a major life lesson and one that has a significant impact on your state of consciousness. Once you endure through something like that, you find that you have naturally developed the ability to forgive others, not just that one individual (parent). And you know what, since that experience of forgiving that parent altered your state of consciousness and changed you - you do not require your memory of of the details/circumstances surrounding your interactions with that parent in order to forgive other individuals. Memory of the past is not required at all - you changed yourself and now you know the value/wisdom/importance of finding forgiveness and you cultivated the ability to accomplish this...

Once you know that the stove is hot you do not need to recall your memory of burning yourself when you were 4 in order to know as an adult not to touch the stove... You KNOW on the level of awareness - not on the level of physical memories... It's the same with 'life lessons', I do not need to conscious recall every earlier life experience in order to have benefitted from the lessons or the growth that I experienced as a result of what I went through. The memory of the actual event or physical circumstances is not primary, it's not necessary... What is necessary is that you altered, changed, transformed your state of consciousness. And you carry that enhanced state of awareness with you every where you go.


So how does a memory wipe and a new life in a new body possibly aid our spiritual advancement? Furthermore, how does incarnating into a nuthouse like planet Earth teach us anything of the 'spiritual'??
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It's not really a 'wipe', nothing is being 'erased', or lost. All of the information is retained/recorded/stored... That is why individuals experiencing NDE's often report that in that special state of awareness, they could sense or intuitively know information pertaining to prior incarnations... They report that all of the information was there/accessible... That they could think of a question and immediately intuit the answer (and it made sense while experiencing that special state)

It is actually the experience of incarnating into the physical body that serves to temporarily impart the veil of forgetfulness... It's the physical body that limits your soul (conscious energy) from recalling everything that you have access to in the disembodied state... Which is exactly why NDE experiencers so commonly report experiencing this greatly expanded state of awareness in which they have access to all the answers to their questions, while in that state... It's because their conscious energy and state of awareness is no longer being restricted/limited by the physical body (by physical embodiment)...

Think about it - you go blind in this lifetime and you greatly restrict your ability to perceive and be aware of this physical world. If you go deaf, same story. If you suffer a traumatic brain injury, you may lose memory of your life experiences prior to sustaining that injury. So it's clear, even in this lifetime with a limited reference point - that the physical body is a source of limitation as it relates to your perception.

Understanding/perceiving that your lack of remembering what goes on outside this physical dimension is only a temporary form of amnesia, or forgetfulness... It doesn't last, it's not permanent... Nothing is lost, and there aren't any evil interdimensional beings 'wiping' or 'erasing' your memories... The physical body does that, just like it restricts/limits us in various ways while we're experiencing it...


It doesn't! If anything, it teaches the opposite- how do the kind, benevolent, generous and pacifist humans fare on this planet? Relative to the psychopathic predators? We're ingrained with this notion that karma will get them in the end- it really doesn't though, or at least no more than it does for innocent people just trying to get by...
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This paragraph speaks to the reference point issue that I alluded to earlier. You are trying to interpret a model that has spiritual/trascendental implications - but you're trying to do it from the human reference point, or the human-derived state of awareness... Suffering experienced here is not indicative of an existence of suffering everywhere and at all times - it does not mean that you will experience suffering at all times and in all environments.... Yet the experience of suffering here can greatly skew your perceptions and your view of reality - and lead one to believe that this is a fixed state or orientation that will be experienced everywhere...

The notion that 'karma' is going to get someone back is largely rooted in a physical mind based state in which someone is hoping for revenge or retribution against someone for a perceived injustice. In reality what these individuals are going to be shown or become aware of when they die is exactly how their decisions, choices, actions affected the conscious experience of others. If they caused others suffering, they are going to realize that because they will be shown the perspective or state of awareness of the individuals that were affected by their actions (that they hurt). And that revelation or experience of 'knowing' the cause & effect of their actions is what's going to ultimately impact their conscious state of being and this will affect them in the course of trying to move forward...

Because we'd prefer to cling onto the 'nice' soft and fuzzy explanations. New Age teachings then picked up where religions left off. Setting people off down the wrong path until they're too enmeshed to just stop, accept it's all bullshit and start again. Kept busy with work and various distractions, never really challenging that 'received wisdom' because there's no perceivable benefit to doing so.
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Organized, externalized ideologies are often more of a distraction or impediment - then they are of any help. Many were designed to be manipulative and controlling, and others are only based on human psychology and they are designed to appeal to people only on a psychological level - often fueling egoic tendencies and impulses...

Long story short, it made me question the motives of whatever was operating in the 'afterlife'- lovebombing you just like any good sociopath does, telling you what you want to hear so you'll be easier to manipulate going forward.
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The 'love' that is sensed and experienced in the NDE state is not the 'love' that you are referring to by the use of the term 'love-bombing'... It is very important to make this distinction between the two - because it's not in any way the same...

How can we define the concept of authentic/genuine 'love' so that it is not conditional and doesn't carry a different meaning depending on the circumstances and the individuals involved?

I've thought about this a good deal - and I will offer that authentic/genuine 'love' is represented by a feeling of closeness and connectedness with another 'being', and also the direct awareness of being connected to that other 'being'... In definining it in this manner it doesn't matter whether you are talking about 'love' in reference to your Grandma, your wife, your brother, your sister, your friend, your dog/cat... The more you are aware and feel/experience a certain closeness and feeling of connection to those other individuals/beings - the more you would say you 'love' them... And the more you 'love' them, the more you feel that closeness/connectedness to them, and this is exactly why your sense of individuality and sense of separateness gets blurred and erroded the more you 'love' someone. It starts to feel like they are a part of you, and you a part of them. This is why when someone you deeply 'love' and care for is hurting, you have such an empathetic response it's like you are experiencing their pain, it's like what they're going through is happening to you...

This notion of 'love-bombing'... That is entirely psychological... It's done on the level of human psychology and using human language to elicit psychological reactions from individuals. Someone can psychologically manipulate someone else simply by telling them things they want to hear, or using psychology to influence that individual's emotions... There is nothing spiritual/transcendental and nothing deep about 'love bombing'... Imagine the guy who goes to bars and approaches women he doesn't know and immediately tries to run his 'game' of flattering them and telling them how beautiful/sexy they are... He doesn't even know these individuals on any personal nor deep level - there is nothing about this type of interaction that speaks to a real sense of closeness and connectedness with the parties involved. The interaction is entirely psychological and the male individual is motivated by a self-serving desire to obtain physical gratification/satisfaction through influencing the other party.

The type of 'love' that is reported to be experienced by NDE's is not the result of having other individuals/beings use psychology to communicate flattering things to oneself.

The type of 'love' reported in NDE's is an radiant, universal, accepting, all-encompassing 'love' that is rooted in experiencing the direct awareness (state of awareness) of one's 'closeness' and 'connectedness' with ALL THAT EXISTS, with the WHOLE... This is why the experience of the light can convey this experience/feeling of 'love'... It's because while experiencing it, one is returned to the state of awareness of being connected to everyone and everything. There is no longer the experience of separateness (separation), the notion of existing only as this individual being that is different and separate from everything else... That's what causes the real affliction, pain, suffering... The experience of stepping out of our natural state and experiencing the opposite (separation, disconnection).... Many individuals who have had a glimpse/preview of what it's like to return to that transcendental, disembodied state via having an NDE - they often describe it as feeling undeniably like 'home'...

So please, I strongly encourage to reconsider the literature - but this time with the mindfulness and the awareness to realize that we cannot rely on our more limiting human reference points to try to explain something which is supposed to transcend (rise above) the temporary human experience and all the limitations imparted by it... We can't understand a transcendental existence or state of being by relying on our 'human thinking', or the type of thinking that is only relevant within the confines of the human experience... Quick example: the notion of having a racial identity (thinking you are your race) or a national identity (being really patriotic) - these are excellent examples of limiting reference points that provide only a superficial sense of identity, and which would have absolutely zero value from the context of having departed this physical world and no longer experiencing it. The physical body and its skin color/complexion no longer has any significance... The man-made borders and the human created 'country' in which you were born - that reference point similarly holds no significance any longer. Yet look at how individuals go through life perceiving that their race is some form of identity, or that their birth country and their nationalism/patriotism somehow speaks to their identity (or sense of self).... Again, limiting reference points which need to be identified and shed (released) in order for the individual to perceive the 'bigger picture'...

Why is it that after so many tens of thousands of NDE accounts, globally and spanning back throughout history, that 'humanity' has no real answers?! Surely this would be the Number One question that every human on the planet would want answered?!
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'Humanity' is not the primary reference point because the human experience is always a temporary one, your human body always carries an expiration date... What I'm saying is that being 'human' is not a real identity, only a temporary one...

In other words if you are to survive physical death - you must exist as something which actually transcends the human experience... When you continue to cultivate this awareness, it will eventually completely change your reference point and how you are 'approaching' these questions & circumstances....

Most people don't want to think about (physical) death because they are busy being identified with their bodies and their human characters - therefore the topic of 'death' comes across as threatening and alarming to them, because they perceive that they are these bodies/characters! Just like I alluded to above, the more consciously identified a person is with the temporary aspects of this human experience - the more frightening/scary the prospect of (physical) death is to them... So there is a psychological reason and 'defense mechanism' in play for many people that deters them from entertaining thoughts/ideas surrounding 'death' which would otherwise cause them to experience psychological distress...

And yet it's still a niche topic. Avoided by anyone who wants to be taken seriously- because they don't want us digging too deeply, looking into it too much or asking any awkward or difficult questions.
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It was certainly 'niche' in the 60's and 70's (in the U.S.) - but it's increasingly becoming more popular and widespread as each decade has passed... The amount of books available on this subject matter has similarly skyrocketed. Lots of websites dedicated to hosting accounts of NDE's, lots of NDE networks and conferences/presentations springing up globally. You have more and more doctors feeling comfortable speaking about their experiences concerning being around individuals going through the 'dying' process. It's certainly not nearly as 'taboo' anymore...

Then when you stumble onto the Gnostic texts- which the establishment of the time tried so hard to suppress- well then it all starts to fall into place.

It did for me, anyway!
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The only value I found from the gnostic ideology was the emphasis placed on 'personal knowing' and personal revelation by way of inward experience... That is supremely important and lies in opposition to how many organized religions operate where they hand you book claiming it has all the answers for you and you just need to believe it all - oh and you're not allowed to disbelieve any of it!...
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Much has been written about when one dies ... NOT going into the light will persevere your memories +- and allow one to join a higher group of beings vs our past earth associates that are again trapped in the reincarnation cycle

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It's a misguided theory that isn't rooted in any wisdom or personal 'knowing'... It doesn't understand why the 'light' is experienced... It doesn't even account for the fact that no individual alive today can tell you to do X, Y, and Z when you die because if they had actual knowledge of this, then they would have experienced this alleged alternative outcome (avoiding the light) and they wouldn't be here to even tell you about this theory! Right? So who are you really listening to when you read about this theory? Someone who hasn't experienced what they're telling you to do - yet they have convinced themselves that this rises to the level of 'knowledge' and 'truth'?

Humans are naturally inclined towards 'quick fixes' and getting rewarded with the least amount of work/sacrifice possible. So of course when a theory comes along claiming that you just have to remember to do X, Y, and Z when you die and the you'll be rewarded - it's attractive to people... Just like ideologies that try to convice (manipulate) you into thinking you'll be granted a special reward if you just claim these beliefs before you die... It's playing on human impulses/tendencies... It also feeds on feelings of paranoia and persecution...

Tell you what, find ONE person who advocates the 'light trap' theory and ask them if they can personally vouch for the claims of the theory by way of personal experience (and therefore knowledge)... You will only hear the sound of crickets in response...

I've written about this topic in greater length in older threads - I don't have the energy to write about it at any greater length (at least not right now)... I would highly encourge you to question the shit out of this theory so that you will identify all of the elements that do not make sense and do not contribute to any personal understanding and realization of who/what you really are (the actual nature of your existence)...
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Haven't read this entire thread. But wanted to comment...

I think this is what Jesus came to Earth to do. To release us from the control of this prison existence

And it not that we have to be good to be in Gods grace as much as it is we need to avoid sin to keep us from aligning with the prison guards here.

Sin will align us with the dark beings...thereby being easier to control

Repentance is a key to disengage from the lock they have upon us.
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OP YOU CAN`T HIDE IT ANYMORE.
I CAN FEEL YOUR PRESENCE. YOU R KABOOM. YOUR STYLE IS THE SAME. OR U BELONG TO THE SAME GROUP.


YOU CAN`T LIE STRONGMAN SHELFORD....

be good with the good ole strongman. I am a protected soul.

I like your teachings but you can`t hide from strongman...
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Kaboom is too enmeshed into movies.

I've taken a more historical theology/Christian/occult look into it, along with archaeology. You'll notice that with ancient ruins in the pacific/Mu, while some somewhat existing in Atlantis, it has ancient clues.

Many centuries/millenia old buddhist temples hoard this secret of there being a 'Heavenly Father' of sorts; and this predates most modern civilizations. But, with that said, which heavenly father do we speak of?

If we talk Torah, we look into the YHVH/AHYH/Elohim/Yahweh conspiracy, and with jewish doctoral students, they'll let you know that this is an oddity that many overlook on purpose, which is a disservice to revealing the Messiah/Christ.
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All that waste of time researching only to come up with nothing, now your just like everyone else trying to cover up for that your over. What part of that you can never make yourself over don't you understand? I told you, it's absolute.


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Nothing, you say...?

Hah, not so, my friend. The reason for my research is to find answers on how to escape this place and 'move up' the spiritual ladder.

This isn't for the faint of spiritual heart and very few spend a lifetime to inquire such a question.

But Christ says it best, ""The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it."

Leave this world, it's material objects and beings. It's not worth staying here. They want you to stay, regardless of how you are treated, because we are the foundation of this world; but how much weight 'should' the innocent bear?
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Why was scurvy cured by limes and only limes? So many other things have high levels of vit. C. Rosehips. Barbados Cherry.
Sauerkraut.
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You've done well. Figured a lot of it out. The greys are Lucifer/the Watchers/Fallen. They blew up their planet which is now the asteroid belt. This event coincides with the falling of the canopy over Eden (Earth). They've been here ever since. Also, 666 IS the number of man, not the "antichrist" or "Satan." Good job on that.

Human body temp. = 98.6
Water freezes @ 32
Water boils @ 212

Move the Fahrenheit scale down 32 degrees and what happens?

Water freezes @ zero.
Water boils @ 180 (number of degrees in a triangle, which is also the alchemical symbol for water. Also weird that degrees are used for temp. and angles)
Human body temp. = 66.6

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You've done well. Figured a lot of it out. The greys are Lucifer/the Watchers/Fallen. They blew up their planet which is now the asteroid belt. This event coincides with the falling of the canopy over Eden (Earth). They've been here ever since. Also, 666 IS the number of man, not the "antichrist" or "Satan." Good job on that.

Human body temp. = 98.6
Water freezes @ 32
Water boils @ 212

Move the Fahrenheit scale down 32 degrees and what happens?

Water freezes @ zero.
Water boils @ 180 (number of degrees in a triangle, which is also the alchemical symbol for water)
Human body temp. = 66.6
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What a smoking crock!
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Do not listen to me if you believe I am false but do listen to the perfect man.
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Ours (Egyptian) is a bit older then Jesus's. Jesus was speaking about what he knew at the time, that was 2000 years ago, he died 100% clean and non over. That has nothing to do with what is going on in these modern day times with these modern day over humans. What have you done the let the remaining non over people in the Orient know to keep themselves clean and non over and to don't ever make themselves this way (over)?
Now who's speaking of lies character personage? You are not the original person you once were that was born of procreation if you were even born of procreation. You are a character personage, someone that looks like the person you once were, someone that is trying to act like the person you once were, you have an I.D. card that says you are that person. You've seen the movie Dark City right?


You think your the original person you once were just because you can still speak english and can talk a good one?
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Why was scurvy cured by limes and only limes? So many other things have high levels of vit. C. Rosehips. Barbados Cherry.
Sauerkraut.
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You gonna play that shit huh? There is another definition for scurvy it's (worthless or contemptible.).
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Ultimately though, when you read all of those NDE accounts- as I did years ago- initially they appear to be very comforting...
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


I've been exploring/contemplating the NDE literature (in depth) sporadically since the early 2000's...

There are in fact what they call 'distressing' NDE's... NDE Researcher Nancy E. Bush wrote a book about them, and conducted research into the matter...

- Some NDE's are distressing for the experiencer simply because of their prior frame of reference and how they subjectively respond to the content...

- Two people can have NDE's that feature roughly the same type of experience and environment - and one of those individuals can describe that experience as amazing/profound/enlightening - and one of those individuals can describe that similar experience as alarming/frightening/disconcerting... Again, this ties back to the element of subjectivity and one's frame of reference...

- Some people have NDE's that start off as distressing and then change/transition into something that is uplifting/rewarding/eye-opening

- Some individuals have NDE experiences that are only distressing/alarming (but these too can be utilized as vehicles for growth after the fact)

According to the author/researcher referenced above - there is no identifiable reason why certain individuals have different types of experiences... That there is no apparent causal link between the type of experience had and one's religion/philosophy, character/personality, etc... That it wasn't simply 'bad people' having distressing NDE's, or non-religious people only having distressing NDE's...

For most of my life, I was an atheist. I believed that even if there was a 'god'- it wouldn't be a god that I could worship. Observing how religious ideology (for the most part) played out on this planet only served to strengthen those views for me.
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


I agree with how religious ideology does not impart a certain quality of character in individuals who profess belief in it.. It's predominantly mind-based (physical mind based)... Anyone can claim any ideology as their own and then act however they please and still claim their religious identity and believe that it entitles them to special status or or a special reward when they die...

And if we're going to emphasize the importance of one's character and the ability to feel/express various virtues (compassion, empathy, selflessness, love/acceptance, forgiveness, altruism, etc) - well it's readily apparent to me that you do not require any external religious ideology to do this or to lead by example or to find value in the virtues and peoples' actual character/nature (regardless of any ideological affiliation).

Moreover, I couldn't see why living a good honest life, irrespective of religious belief, would preclude you from entering 'heaven'- didn't seem very fair to me, or how a benevolent 'god' would operate.
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


Yes it doesn't make any sense as presented. Apparently convicted rapists and murderers can enter 'heaven' alongside their victims - because they went to prison and found the right religion/ideology.... Yet your little old agnostic lady neighbor dies of a sudden heart attack and apparently she can't go to 'heaven' because she forgot to choose the 'right' beliefs/ideology before she passed... Again, doesn't make sense and does not speak to any higher principle of justice, fairness, equanimity, love, compassion...

Anyway, what struck me with the NDE accounts was the recurring theme of 'judgement'. Mainly, that it seemed impossible to get it right in this world, short of holing yourself up in a cave and avoiding all contact with other living beings... it's the nature of the dynamic here that you're going to fuck up, you're going to inadvertently hurt others, you're going to have regrets, things that you're ashamed about and things that you wished you could do differently.
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


I'm not sure which site(s) or book(s) you exposed yourself to but I can tell you in my decade plus of exploring this material the 'life review' process/experience is one of the most commonly reported aspects of NDE's and the message that is frequently reported is that all sense of 'judgement' was originating from WITHIN - not from any external 'beings' or 'deities'... It was coming from a higher perspective within the individual, or let's say the soul-level awareness. And these reviews are not simply focused on 'negative' experiences or behaviors that an individual endured through - it can/will feature everything that is of value... The individual experiences a multi-dimensional awareness whereby they are shown or directly experience the point of view, the perspective, the awareness of other people who one came into contact with, and how they were affected by the interactions and relations (both 'positive' and 'negative'. So it's not all centered around reviewing things that may make someone feel uncomfortable or bad... All the ways in which someone helped others, the selfless actions, the positive interactions and acts of selflessness - that's all 'recorded' and there to, to be reviewed. Even all the 'small things' and 'little things' that most people convince themselves don't really matter or account for anything.... They do...

It's very important to acknowledge and understand that in these special non-ordinary states brought about by NDE's - the individual is experiencing an entirely enhanced state of being (state of awareness). So far removed from the normal everyday state of being (state of awareness) experienced in the embodied state. A lot of what is experienced during the NDE is done so through a different perspective, a different reference point. From the state of awareness that is no longer identified with the human character (human identity) as a source of self (as one's identity). Many individuals report having no attachment to their lifeless physical body. There is no sense of having lost anything simply because the body is incapacited and near death.

So in order to really understand the literature and the implications of it - you must somehow account for this change in perspective, change in reference points, and the fact that this is an entirely enhanced state of being (state of awareness) in which these experiences are playing out. You can't get an accurate reading and understanding for what is transpiring and the implications of it all if you try to process it all from the awareness and prespective of primarily being identified with your human character/identity as one's source of self. That's not the correct reference point for understanding the multi-dimensional nature of reality/existence because everything form-based in this physical dimension/reality is temporary. These bodies, these possessions, the stories we make up about ourselves and our identities as it relates to experiencing this world...

Example: the notion of incarnating here takes on an entirely different light to the individual who is experiencing the soul-level awareness that knows it is eternal and ultimately cannot be harmed - and it takes on an entirely different light to the individual who is experiencing the state of awareness that is rooted in individuality, separateness, and the physical world... The individual whose conscious state is rooted in the soul-level awareness will not fear physical 'death', because he/she knows it is only the temporary vessel that gets shed. However the individual whose conscious state is primarily rooted in the physical world, the physical body, and physical identity and the stories weaved around it - that individual has every reason to fear 'physical death' because from that limiting reference point, the very thought/imagination of 'dying' represents a perceive very real threat to one's identity/existence...

Does this make sense how one's state of awareness and reference point or perspective greatly influences how reality/existence is perceived? The light in which it is perceived changes substantially as an individual's state of awareness changes & expands....

And whilst these near-death experiencers reported an overwhelming sense of 'acceptance' and 'love', the message coming through time and time again was that they had to repeat the human experience to 'get it right', to 'learn about love' to 'evolve' and 'improve'...
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


Commonly people report being told that they had to return to their body and their human experience because there was still work to be done and experiences to be had. Not that they had to 'live another life' or that once they really died they would have to repeat this experience.

The human identity is illusory because it's temporary and impermanent. It doesn't last... The only thing that you bring with you when you leave here is your conscious energy (state of consciousness) and the connections that you've formed with the conscious energy of other 'beings" (people, animals, etc)... This is why refining your conscious energy (state of consciousness) is reinforced and valued - because that's all that lasts and has permanence... That's what you take with you as you travel reality/existence... The external forms are always transient and subject to change...

Think about it, if there are a multitude of dimensions (dimensional environments) to experience as part of your larger existence - how would one gain access to experience them? By way of physical accomplishments in this physical world? By way of choosing a certain religion and claiming certain ideological beliefs?

Or how about by way of refining and evolving one's state of consciousness and state of awareness - and thereby literally changing one's conscious energy (soul) in the process and unlocking new perceptions. How about by elevating/enhancing one's ability to feel and express the various virtues?

Wouldn't that seem most fair and just? That you put in the challenging/hard work to refine and evolve your own state of being - and through doing so you enhance/elevate the manner in which you are able to experience your existence... Certainly doesn't seem fair/just to me for anyone to claim that people should earn this through claiming religious/ideological affiliation, or from any 'worldly accomplishments'... It has to be cultivated from within...

What I'm saying is, how do we learn and improve? We learn from past mistakes in order to not repeat them hopefully.
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The process of learning, if it is legit/valid, changes you... It changes your state of being (state of consciousness, state of awareness). Let's say one of your parents really hurt you and did you wrong in this lifetime - but through years of challenging inner-work - you brought yourself to a state of being able to accept what you experienced and to find forgiveness for that individual. That is a major life lesson and one that has a significant impact on your state of consciousness. Once you endure through something like that, you find that you have naturally developed the ability to forgive others, not just that one individual (parent). And you know what, since that experience of forgiving that parent altered your state of consciousness and changed you - you do not require your memory of of the details/circumstances surrounding your interactions with that parent in order to forgive other individuals. Memory of the past is not required at all - you changed yourself and now you know the value/wisdom/importance of finding forgiveness and you cultivated the ability to accomplish this...

Once you know that the stove is hot you do not need to recall your memory of burning yourself when you were 4 in order to know as an adult not to touch the stove... You KNOW on the level of awareness - not on the level of physical memories... It's the same with 'life lessons', I do not need to conscious recall every earlier life experience in order to have benefitted from the lessons or the growth that I experienced as a result of what I went through. The memory of the actual event or physical circumstances is not primary, it's not necessary... What is necessary is that you altered, changed, transformed your state of consciousness. And you carry that enhanced state of awareness with you every where you go.


So how does a memory wipe and a new life in a new body possibly aid our spiritual advancement? Furthermore, how does incarnating into a nuthouse like planet Earth teach us anything of the 'spiritual'??
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It's not really a 'wipe', nothing is being 'erased', or lost. All of the information is retained/recorded/stored... That is why individuals experiencing NDE's often report that in that special state of awareness, they could sense or intuitively know information pertaining to prior incarnations... They report that all of the information was there/accessible... That they could think of a question and immediately intuit the answer (and it made sense while experiencing that special state)

It is actually the experience of incarnating into the physical body that serves to temporarily impart the veil of forgetfulness... It's the physical body that limits your soul (conscious energy) from recalling everything that you have access to in the disembodied state... Which is exactly why NDE experiencers so commonly report experiencing this greatly expanded state of awareness in which they have access to all the answers to their questions, while in that state... It's because their conscious energy and state of awareness is no longer being restricted/limited by the physical body (by physical embodiment)...

Think about it - you go blind in this lifetime and you greatly restrict your ability to perceive and be aware of this physical world. If you go deaf, same story. If you suffer a traumatic brain injury, you may lose memory of your life experiences prior to sustaining that injury. So it's clear, even in this lifetime with a limited reference point - that the physical body is a source of limitation as it relates to your perception.

Understanding/perceiving that your lack of remembering what goes on outside this physical dimension is only a temporary form of amnesia, or forgetfulness... It doesn't last, it's not permanent... Nothing is lost, and there aren't any evil interdimensional beings 'wiping' or 'erasing' your memories... The physical body does that, just like it restricts/limits us in various ways while we're experiencing it...


It doesn't! If anything, it teaches the opposite- how do the kind, benevolent, generous and pacifist humans fare on this planet? Relative to the psychopathic predators? We're ingrained with this notion that karma will get them in the end- it really doesn't though, or at least no more than it does for innocent people just trying to get by...
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This paragraph speaks to the reference point issue that I alluded to earlier. You are trying to interpret a model that has spiritual/trascendental implications - but you're trying to do it from the human reference point, or the human-derived state of awareness... Suffering experienced here is not indicative of an existence of suffering everywhere and at all times - it does not mean that you will experience suffering at all times and in all environments.... Yet the experience of suffering here can greatly skew your perceptions and your view of reality - and lead one to believe that this is a fixed state or orientation that will be experienced everywhere...

The notion that 'karma' is going to get someone back is largely rooted in a physical mind based state in which someone is hoping for revenge or retribution against someone for a perceived injustice. In reality what these individuals are going to be shown or become aware of when they die is exactly how their decisions, choices, actions affected the conscious experience of others. If they caused others suffering, they are going to realize that because they will be shown the perspective or state of awareness of the individuals that were affected by their actions (that they hurt). And that revelation or experience of 'knowing' the cause & effect of their actions is what's going to ultimately impact their conscious state of being and this will affect them in the course of trying to move forward...

Because we'd prefer to cling onto the 'nice' soft and fuzzy explanations. New Age teachings then picked up where religions left off. Setting people off down the wrong path until they're too enmeshed to just stop, accept it's all bullshit and start again. Kept busy with work and various distractions, never really challenging that 'received wisdom' because there's no perceivable benefit to doing so.
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Organized, externalized ideologies are often more of a distraction or impediment - then they are of any help. Many were designed to be manipulative and controlling, and others are only based on human psychology and they are designed to appeal to people only on a psychological level - often fueling egoic tendencies and impulses...

Long story short, it made me question the motives of whatever was operating in the 'afterlife'- lovebombing you just like any good sociopath does, telling you what you want to hear so you'll be easier to manipulate going forward.
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The 'love' that is sensed and experienced in the NDE state is not the 'love' that you are referring to by the use of the term 'love-bombing'... It is very important to make this distinction between the two - because it's not in any way the same...

How can we define the concept of authentic/genuine 'love' so that it is not conditional and doesn't carry a different meaning depending on the circumstances and the individuals involved?

I've thought about this a good deal - and I will offer that authentic/genuine 'love' is represented by a feeling of closeness and connectedness with another 'being', and also the direct awareness of being connected to that other 'being'... In definining it in this manner it doesn't matter whether you are talking about 'love' in reference to your Grandma, your wife, your brother, your sister, your friend, your dog/cat... The more you are aware and feel/experience a certain closeness and feeling of connection to those other individuals/beings - the more you would say you 'love' them... And the more you 'love' them, the more you feel that closeness/connectedness to them, and this is exactly why your sense of individuality and sense of separateness gets blurred and erroded the more you 'love' someone. It starts to feel like they are a part of you, and you a part of them. This is why when someone you deeply 'love' and care for is hurting, you have such an empathetic response it's like you are experiencing their pain, it's like what they're going through is happening to you...

This notion of 'love-bombing'... That is entirely psychological... It's done on the level of human psychology and using human language to elicit psychological reactions from individuals. Someone can psychologically manipulate someone else simply by telling them things they want to hear, or using psychology to influence that individual's emotions... There is nothing spiritual/transcendental and nothing deep about 'love bombing'... Imagine the guy who goes to bars and approaches women he doesn't know and immediately tries to run his 'game' of flattering them and telling them how beautiful/sexy they are... He doesn't even know these individuals on any personal nor deep level - there is nothing about this type of interaction that speaks to a real sense of closeness and connectedness with the parties involved. The interaction is entirely psychological and the male individual is motivated by a self-serving desire to obtain physical gratification/satisfaction through influencing the other party.

The type of 'love' that is reported to be experienced by NDE's is not the result of having other individuals/beings use psychology to communicate flattering things to oneself.

The type of 'love' reported in NDE's is an radiant, universal, accepting, all-encompassing 'love' that is rooted in experiencing the direct awareness (state of awareness) of one's 'closeness' and 'connectedness' with ALL THAT EXISTS, with the WHOLE... This is why the experience of the light can convey this experience/feeling of 'love'... It's because while experiencing it, one is returned to the state of awareness of being connected to everyone and everything. There is no longer the experience of separateness (separation), the notion of existing only as this individual being that is different and separate from everything else... That's what causes the real affliction, pain, suffering... The experience of stepping out of our natural state and experiencing the opposite (separation, disconnection).... Many individuals who have had a glimpse/preview of what it's like to return to that transcendental, disembodied state via having an NDE - they often describe it as feeling undeniably like 'home'...

So please, I strongly encourage to reconsider the literature - but this time with the mindfulness and the awareness to realize that we cannot rely on our more limiting human reference points to try to explain something which is supposed to transcend (rise above) the temporary human experience and all the limitations imparted by it... We can't understand a transcendental existence or state of being by relying on our 'human thinking', or the type of thinking that is only relevant within the confines of the human experience... Quick example: the notion of having a racial identity (thinking you are your race) or a national identity (being really patriotic) - these are excellent examples of limiting reference points that provide only a superficial sense of identity, and which would have absolutely zero value from the context of having departed this physical world and no longer experiencing it. The physical body and its skin color/complexion no longer has any significance... The man-made borders and the human created 'country' in which you were born - that reference point similarly holds no significance any longer. Yet look at how individuals go through life perceiving that their race is some form of identity, or that their birth country and their nationalism/patriotism somehow speaks to their identity (or sense of self).... Again, limiting reference points which need to be identified and shed (released) in order for the individual to perceive the 'bigger picture'...

Why is it that after so many tens of thousands of NDE accounts, globally and spanning back throughout history, that 'humanity' has no real answers?! Surely this would be the Number One question that every human on the planet would want answered?!
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


'Humanity' is not the primary reference point because the human experience is always a temporary one, your human body always carries an expiration date... What I'm saying is that being 'human' is not a real identity, only a temporary one...

In other words if you are to survive physical death - you must exist as something which actually transcends the human experience... When you continue to cultivate this awareness, it will eventually completely change your reference point and how you are 'approaching' these questions & circumstances....

Most people don't want to think about (physical) death because they are busy being identified with their bodies and their human characters - therefore the topic of 'death' comes across as threatening and alarming to them, because they perceive that they are these bodies/characters! Just like I alluded to above, the more consciously identified a person is with the temporary aspects of this human experience - the more frightening/scary the prospect of (physical) death is to them... So there is a psychological reason and 'defense mechanism' in play for many people that deters them from entertaining thoughts/ideas surrounding 'death' which would otherwise cause them to experience psychological distress...

And yet it's still a niche topic. Avoided by anyone who wants to be taken seriously- because they don't want us digging too deeply, looking into it too much or asking any awkward or difficult questions.
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It was certainly 'niche' in the 60's and 70's (in the U.S.) - but it's increasingly becoming more popular and widespread as each decade has passed... The amount of books available on this subject matter has similarly skyrocketed. Lots of websites dedicated to hosting accounts of NDE's, lots of NDE networks and conferences/presentations springing up globally. You have more and more doctors feeling comfortable speaking about their experiences concerning being around individuals going through the 'dying' process. It's certainly not nearly as 'taboo' anymore...

Then when you stumble onto the Gnostic texts- which the establishment of the time tried so hard to suppress- well then it all starts to fall into place.

It did for me, anyway!
 Quoting: Know.Thyself


The only value I found from the gnostic ideology was the emphasis placed on 'personal knowing' and personal revelation by way of inward experience... That is supremely important and lies in opposition to how many organized religions operate where they hand you book claiming it has all the answers for you and you just need to believe it all - oh and you're not allowed to disbelieve any of it!...
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Thanks Wolf for taking the time to compose such a detailed and considered response- I guess the easiest way to reply is to break down a few of the points and my thoughts on them?

“According to the author/researcher referenced above - there is no identifiable reason why certain individuals have different types of experiences... That there is no apparent causal link between the type of experience had and one's religion/philosophy, character/personality, etc... That it wasn't simply 'bad people' having distressing NDE's, or non-religious people only having distressing NDE's... “

I’d have to disagree with this, straight off the bat. For example, muslims rarely report positive NDEs of meeting with allah/muhammad or whatever, and in the rare instances that maybe they do (I’ve not come across anything convincing), I’d suspect a bit of taqiyya at play. See vid below…




Similarly, those who commit suicide also tend to experience less pleasant NDEs. The overlap with DMT experiences is also an interesting parallel, given that the brain allegedly releases huge amounts of DMT upon death.

“I'm not sure which site(s) or book(s) you exposed yourself to but I can tell you in my decade plus of exploring this material the 'life review' process/experience is one of the most commonly reported aspects of NDE's and the message that is frequently reported is that all sense of 'judgement' was originating from WITHIN - not from any external 'beings' or 'deities'... It was coming from a higher perspective within the individual, or let's say the soul-level awareness.”

I’ve thought about this also- that it is perhaps the ‘higher self’ informing the judgement, as opposed to an external force or ‘adjudicator’. HOWEVER, I’d have to say that one major defining difference that I’ve observed in terms of the humans on this planet, is that there are maybe three but certainly at least two ‘types’- those with conscience (empaths for want of a better word) and those without conscience (psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists… general cluster B types). The latter would be better described as predators, whilst the former tend to be their prey/energy source. Obviously this view is quite distinct from the ‘we’re all ONE consciousness’ narrative. Rather, much as in nature, there are predators and there are prey. Why does a predator kill? For energy- food/sustenance. Why does a psychopath target the 'weak'? For energy- power/loosh.

So with that in mind, those individuals who tend towards psychopathy/sociopathy might arguably be described as those who would most benefit from a few ‘life lessons’. Yet it is precisely their lack of inner self-awareness and empathy for others that defines their mindset. So where and how is the ‘higher self’ operating within these individuals? Or does it just magically spring forth after death? And if so, what a pointless exercise!!

Look to the satanic elite- do they seem the least bit perturbed about future consequences of their actions, in the spiritual dimensions? Do they fear ‘judgement’? One must assume that they have access to more information, pieces of the puzzle etc than we do- we know the Vatican alone has sequestered away unimaginable amounts of information pertaining to our human history.

What are they hiding, and how has it informed their actions?

I'm putting to you that the same dynamics we see playing out every day in nature, all around you- the weak get eaten- either by larger predators or smaller parasitical entities seizing advantage of any weakness in the biological organism- those same dynamics are operating on a larger scale also. Humans are NOT at the top of the food chain. Much as we require food for energy, higher dimensional beings also require sustenance- very likely in the form of our life force or 'soul' or 'spirit' or whatever label you want to give it.

Humans did NOT simply evolve from a chemical soup billions of years ago, to become the highly complex organisms we are today. Even Darwin had to acknowledge the ludicrousness of suggesting that an eyeball alone could simply 'evolve' via random mutation and natural selection. It's bullshit.

So if we didn't evolve- who put us here? And WHY??

“So in order to really understand the literature and the implications of it - you must somehow account for this change in perspective, change in reference points, and the fact that this is an entirely enhanced state of being (state of awareness) in which these experiences are playing out. You can't get an accurate reading and understanding for what is transpiring and the implications of it all if you try to process it all from the awareness and prespective of primarily being identified with your human character/identity as one's source of self.”

I would totally agree with this, and say that once we’re released from the limiting confines of our 3D physical body, our awareness expands way beyond the limited sensory experience we’re subjected to on Earth. And that is my point- given that we’re far more expansive in terms of our consciousness than the Earth experience allows, one has to ask- why is that?? Of what benefit is it, in spiritual terms, to be operating on a limiting system? Akin to running, I don’t know- say windows 10 on a commodore 64 or something- you get the analogy.

So how odd then, that there just so happens to be these ‘beings’ ready and waiting to ‘guide us’ huh? To steer us, like a sheepdog corrals the sheep, back into the pen.

“Commonly people report being told that they had to return to their body and their human experience because there was still work to be done and experiences to be had. Not that they had to 'live another life' or that once they really died they would have to repeat this experience.“


Yes and commonly these same people report absolutely NOT wanting to return to their earthly bodies, and many also report feeling a sense of anger, abandonment, and rejection because of their ‘dismissal’ from the ‘heavenly realms’.

In terms of repeating the experience, i.e., reincarnation, obviously that kind of information cannot come from NDE reports because it’s a later stage in the process- by which time the experiencer would indeed be… dead. Insight into that aspect came primarily from hypnotic inductions- the Michael Newton books for example. But also, abduction reports and the fact that reincarnation was a tenet of pretty much all the religions, including original Christianity (before it was omitted from the Biblical canon). The topic has intrigued certain respected researchers who've followed up the accounts of little children reporting on their previous life, how they died, where they lived etc... only to find amazing correlations that go way beyond the realms of 'chance'. The reincarnation literature is fascinating and very persuasive.

“Think about it, if there are a multitude of dimensions (dimensional environments) to experience as part of your larger existence - how would one gain access to experience them? By way of physical accomplishments in this physical world? By way of choosing a certain religion and claiming certain ideological beliefs?

Or how about by way of refining and evolving one's state of consciousness and state of awareness - and thereby literally changing one's conscious energy (soul) in the process and unlocking new perceptions. How about by elevating/enhancing one's ability to feel and express the various virtues?”


NDE reports pretty much unanimously state that the experiencers had a sense of ‘all knowing’ once freed from the confines of the physical. What I’m putting to you is that THAT is ALREADY our natural state and we DO NOT need to experience life on Earth to ‘unlock new perceptions’... I mean our perceptions in terms of the full range of ‘reality’ available to us are quite frankly laughable! We perceive but a tiny slither of the full EM spectrum and at present science postulates that 96% of the universe (or thereabouts) is composed of dark matter and dark energy. In other words… who the fuck knows.

In terms of learning from our experiences with others… meh. Sorry but just that. What’s the expression? No good deed goes unpunished? How was Jesus rewarded for offering his insights to the world?? And in the intervening 2000-odd years, has the nature of human behaviour really changed so much? Have we stopped stoning people to death, raping, torturing, abusing, murdering? So IF this was about soul evolution, about refinement of the spirit akin to the alchemist’s ‘lead into gold’ analogy… wouldn’t you think that we’d be seeing some kind of evidence for that by now??

At no point in all of human history has humanity EVER been at ‘peace’. We’re no more AT PEACE now than we were thousands of years ago- so whatever this HIGHER SPIRITUAL PLAN is, it ain’t exactly working- is it?

I’m not using cap locks to shout or be aggressive, but just to emphasize certain points :)

I’ll try and reply to the rest of your message later as I’ve no time now- but genuinely I appreciate bouncing ideas around on this because it’s a pretty big deal hahaha!

Honestly a bit of research into the high strangeness of the moon etc, like I say- something very fucky is afoot if you ask me...
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No problem....

I’d have to disagree with this, straight off the bat. For example, muslims rarely report positive NDEs of meeting with allah/muhammad or whatever, and in the rare instances that maybe they do (I’ve not come across anything convincing), I’d suspect a bit of taqiyya at play. See vid below…
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How many muslim NDE's have you explored that you would feel comfortable making broader generalizations about the nature of those experiences for an entire demographic that exceeds something like 2 billion people?

I myself would not feel comfortable doing so as I've not personally encountered any wide database or collection of NDE accounts from individuals self-identifying as muslim. The other thing we really need to be mindful of is that with this particular demographic - there is significant concern about under-reporting and non-reporting of experiences because within heavily religious cultures, any individual reporting transcendental (spiritual) experiences that do not conform to the rigid tenents/doctrines of the religion in question are going to be met with criticism, scorn, shunning, (maybe even violence) etc.... So for psychological/sociological reasons - an individual who experiences something that cannot be adequately reinforced/supported by preexisting religious ideology is extremely unlikely to be forthcoming about one's experience and even more unlikely to allow it to be widely known in the form of being published (publicly). So one has to wonder how many individuals out there are actually having profound, life-changing Near-Death Experiences, but have to more or less keep it to themselves and for valid reasons are extremely reluctant to share those details/experiences with others.

Also, I'm not sure that we should hold the expectation that everyone who identifies as religious should somehow experience seeing a character/figure tied to those religions. If everyone received (experienced) what is reinforced by their preexisting beliefs/ideologies then we would expect that self-identified atheists would experience nothing. And these experiences beyond this dimension paint the picture of a multi-dimensional existence where forms & appearances are not rigid, but malleable (changeable).


Similarly, those who commit suicide also tend to experience less pleasant NDEs.
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I've read from one researcher's finding that there are individuals who harmed themselves and experienced distressing NDE's and there are individuals who harmed themselves and experienced profound and radiant NDE's... Of course no one should view harming oneself as a real answer to their plight - and no one returning from an NDE has ever advocated harming oneself as a solution (quite the opposite). However when you consider the state of mind and the strong mental/emotional influences that lead up to one harming oneself - it would not surprise me to learn that one's mental/emotional state could have a considerable influence in determining the nature of the (NDE) experience that followed.

I’ve thought about this also- that it is perhaps the ‘higher self’ informing the judgement, as opposed to an external force or ‘adjudicator’.
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Yes many people hear of NDE experiencers reporting that the judgement originates from within and they immediately reject this idea - why? Because they are (incorrectly) assuming that this judgement is originating from egoic identity that is so commonly experienced during the human experience, from that state of awareness. The one in which people are likely to make excuses for their behavior and employ defense mechanism to protect their physical-mind derived 'sense of self' (identity). And of course that's not the correct context at all because the individuals providing these accounts report experiencing a entirely different state of being far removed from their human state of consciousness/awareness. And they universally report that nothing is hidden or obscured during this process, that there is complete transparency. That you cannot lie to yourself in such a context or environment.

HOWEVER, I’d have to say that one major defining difference that I’ve observed in terms of the humans on this planet, is that there are maybe three but certainly at least two ‘types’- those with conscience (empaths for want of a better word) and those without conscience (psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists… general cluster B types).
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Respectfully, I strongly feel that any time we attempt to take our incredibly complex reality and attempt to define or describe it using a limited number of 'types' or 'groups' or 'sides' (duality) - we inevitably result in diminishing the actual nature of it (reality) and this leads to reduced perception/awareness of what actually is... In other words it does not contribute to yielding heightened awareness for what it is that we are attempting to describe and observe.

I'm certain that there are some individuals out there branded as sociopaths who - if you could become intimately aware of their personal history, you would discover they endured through significant abuse/neglect during their life experince and that this factored significantly into their state of being, later in life. Of course this does not excuse harming others - but it raises the question as to what the outcome would have been had these individuals not been impacted by such external influences. If they had instead experienced growing up in a nurturing, non-abusive environment...

So with that in mind, those individuals who tend towards psychopathy/sociopathy might arguably be described as those who would most benefit from a few ‘life lessons’. Yet it is precisely their lack of inner self-awareness and empathy for others that defines their mindset. So where and how is the ‘higher self’ operating within these individuals? Or does it just magically spring forth after death? And if so, what a pointless exercise!!
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That's a great question... And there are a lot of great questions that can be posed which we are not going to find a perfect or completely fulfilling answer to - not from this vantage point (while still experiencing these limited physical bodies).

Let's say you have an incredibly vivid nightmare... Almost like a lucid dream experience, which feels ultra realistic. When you awake in your bed started - what you just experienced feels absolutely real (valid). The conscious experience of it was nearly indistinguishable from your waking reality. Yet when you wake up in bed, there is quickly the experience or realization of having 'awakened' or shifted to a greater reality - and (physical) reality that feels 'more real' than that dream environment you just experienced. So there is this sense/experience of shifting from one reality (in this example the dream state/reality) to a broader, more expansive, more comple reality (in this example our physical world/reality).

If you can get comfortable with the idea of that conscious transition (as it is experienced) - then it's not too difficult to connect with the idea that the conscious experience of leaving this physical world/reality could yield a similar experience. Namely, the experience of physical death will result in your conscious energy (soul) not only departing from this physical dimension (reality), but essentially 'awakening' out of this more limiting physical reality and into a broader, more expansive, more complex, multi-dimensional reality. This would not be a brand new experience - but it would be akin to waking up from your vivid/lucid nightmare (dream). That you would find yourself connecting with a greater, more complex reality that would in turn completely change/alter how you would view what is now perceived as a temporary and significantly more limited reality (human life in the physical dimension).

I would again reinforce the notion that the experience of the physical body itself is limiting in that it influences your conscious energy to strongly identify with the body and to strongly identify with all the temporary forms of the physical world. I perceive that individuals who display no empathy have worked themselves into a state where they have become so self-centered and so strongly consciously identified with the illusory perception of being separate from everyone/everything else - therefore they can only think of themselves and their own needs/desires/impulses... They are experiencing a gross distortion of the truth of their reality/existence... However the physical body is a significant influence here because it contributes to the perception (illusion) of everything existing as a separate form. So after death, you are removing the context by which the physical body is contributing to these limited perceptions - and as we've discussed that disembodied state yields a multi-dimensional awareness that is going to be distinctly unique as compared to the state of awareness that would have been experienced by those individuals in the embodied state. And I'm not suggesting this would magically or instantly change someone's state of consciousness - certainly not suggesting that. Only that these individuals may reconnect with a state of awareness that will enable them to accurately perceive what transpired during their human incarnation/experience. To perceive the actual nature of what they lived/experienced. I don't believe there are any free passes and if they worked their way into a certain, undesirable state of being (state of consciousness) - they will be faced with the task of gradually working their way out of it (by whatever means we are afforded to accomplish this)...

Look to the satanic elite- do they seem the least bit perturbed about future consequences of their actions, in the spiritual dimensions? Do they fear ‘judgement’? One must assume that they have access to more information, pieces of the puzzle etc than we do- we know the Vatican alone has sequestered away unimaginable amounts of information pertaining to our human history.
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I would stop yourself right there... Why would we assume that the 'satanic elite' possess wisdom? If they had cultivated wisdom within themselves, if they were wise - well then they certainly wouldn't be operating in a manner that seeks to manipulate and cause widespread harm to others - right?

They control, manipulate, and cause harm through material and psychological means. They control through wealth (resources), and psychological influence. They control the means of production and have huge financial interests in the resources that make the world go round. That's where their 'power' originates from. Take away their financial/material resources and what ability do they have to control the world? None... They can possess intelligence, and the psychological understanding of how to manipulate people and the masses - but this is not wisdom, because with wisdom (awareness) comes empathy and a greater sense of connectedness with others. Nothing about their actions speaks to having cultivated and posessing wisdom - which would shield empathy, compassion, altruism, selflessness, etc...

If they were wise then why the neverending fixation with the pursuit of wealth, material possessions, and power/control over others?

If they had any real awareness & understanding of what people from all over the globe report experiencing during Near-Death Experiences regarding the 'life review' - do you really think they would continue intentionally causing harm to others if they also realized that they are going be made directly aware of how their actons affected the conscious experience of others? Of course not...

Also, books in and of themselves do not automatically yield enhanced awareness, wisdom, and character-growth in the individuals who possess them or have access to them (the books/texts). Simply reading something, even professing belief in what you've read - does not necessarily produce any significant & lasting changes in one's state of consciousness.

The significant and lasting changes to one's conscious state require years of challenging inner-work and the eventual relinquishment of limiting and unhealthy attachments. No book can give this to anyone, but a book could inspire a person to pursue this path.... Yet that individual still has to do all of the heavy lifting, all of the 'work' to get the results. So simply possessing a book or having access to a book, no matter how profound and wise the contents could be - it speaks nothing to the state of consciousness (state of conscious development) of the individual in question. If anything, they could be hiding materials that would inspire people to 'wake up' and thereby disrupt the world's current control grid/structure.

Again, if they possessed real wisdom, they would be experienced a state of heightened/enhanced awareness - and in that state they no be seeking to harm/manipulate others, and they would not exhibit such a ridiculous unhealthy attachment to worldly things (wealth, money, material possessions, image/status, controlling others)... Everything about what they do and how they operate speaks to these individuals not being 'spiritually' aware and not possessing any significant degree of wisdom... Their conscious experience seems entirely identified with this human life and they operate in manners that reinforce experiencing such a state/condition. These are not psychologically healthy individuals - yet all you ever see or hear of them is what's displayed publicly, or printed in the (controlled) media... I strongly suspect if you could know the intimate details of their private, internal lives - you would discover individuals with major insecurities, fears, and afflictions... In other words, no sense of peace, no sense of contentment, and no sense of self-acceptance and wholeness...

What are they hiding, and how has it informed their actions?
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What are they hiding? Their selfishness, their lack of wisdom, their lack of character development that would otherwise lead to feeling empathy for others and selfless acts of altruism...

I'm putting to you that the same dynamics we see playing out every day in nature, all around you- the weak get eaten- either by larger predators or smaller parasitical entities seizing advantage of any weakness in the biological organism- those same dynamics are operating on a larger scale also. Humans are NOT at the top of the food chain.
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The only thing that can make the existence and the experience of the 'food chain' in this physical reality tolerable is the realization that all of the physical forms that perish are animated by a field of energy that can never perish. That those physical experiences are always temporary and the underlying eternal energy always survives and continues on...

Much as we require food for energy, higher dimensional beings also require sustenance- very likely in the form of our life force or 'soul' or 'spirit' or whatever label you want to give it.
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I would respectfully caution you against the practice of taking certain attributes that are distinctly rooted in this physical reality and upholding them as a model or blueprint for the entirety of existence within a multi-dimensional reality.

Eating in the context of this physical reality/dimension is only to sustain the physical vessel (body/form). The very same physical vessel that is born with a guaranteed but unknown expiration date, and which is only temporary. So how do you reckon that having to consume food to sustain a clearly temporary body/form is analogous to 'higher beings' feeding on energy outside of this physical dimension? Why would these 'higher beings' in a disembodied (non-physical) state require energy to survive/sustain? And how does one 'consume energy' since our only other reference point here is strictly a physical act of consuming food and then our physical body has a physical organs and a physical process which digests that food?

The very context of 'higher beings' in a non-physical dimension works against all human reference points we have for the act of 'eating/feeding' - does it not?

And to further test/challenge this practice of taking traits inherently part of the human experience and extrapolating or applying them to contexts entirely different than the human experience - why stop at the act/pratice of eating/feeding? For example, do 'higher beings' also have to urinate and take dumps? Do they have to sleep and take naps to sustain themselves? Do they have to have physical sex to procreate? Do they grow old and have to experience the 'death' of their physical form? If asking these additional questions doesn't sound like it makes any sense in the context of 'higher beings' in another dimension - that's good, because it shouldn't. The notion of having to eat/consume to survive is rooted in experiencing a temporary, physical form - one in which requires physical consumption, physical digestion, physical defecation, and physical sex for reproduction. Unless you can sufficiently explain how non-physical beings would be bound by the same processes of beings experiencing physical embodiment (such as the human experience) - I don't see how any reasonable analogy can be made... If you're not actively experiencing a temporary, physical form - why would you need to eat anything to live/survive? There would be nothing to sustain, no physical meat suit which demands/requires sustenance...

Does it make more sense how the notion of 'higher beings' in a non-physical dimension would have no need or requirement for a process that is distinctly tied to your physical embodiment in this limiting physical reality (dimension) that was always intended to be a temporary experience? You're not eating to sustain your existence, you are eating to sustain your temporary meatsuit... The notion of 'higher beings' eating to sustain their existence is clearly not the same as the context we experience here and where we pull all reference points for eating/consuming... So the two contexts are not analogous when sufficiently scrutnized...

So if we didn't evolve- who put us here? And WHY??
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Great question... Are you certain that there are only two ways of looking at/into this? It sounds like you are currently only allowing for two possibilities in your mind. The 'darwin' perspective of randomness and spontaneous creation with seemingly no rhyme, reason, or purpose - versus the 'some external actor or force' must have done this to us... What if neither of these two sides/options paints an accurate depiction of the actual truth of the matter? What if both viewpoints prove to be insufficient & inadequate?

Human society tries to pigeon-hole you into choosing from a very limited number of 'options' to adopt... It does not encourage nor reward outside the box thinking/perceiving - because that would disrupt the existing paradigms and conceptual models and inevitably result in others feeling uncomfortable/insecure... So there is this pervading societal pressure to conform your mind to these limited options/sides...

The actual truth of the matter is not going to be found through identification with our prepackaged belief systems about reality which you will find significant portions of the human population professing belief in... It will only come through one's hard (internal) work that results in changes in one's state of consciousness that will pave the way for self-discovery (akin to gnosis), which is on the level of personal 'knowing', and no longer on the level of 'believing' something (professing belef, but not knowing). The difference, when all is said and done, is night & date... And when I say 'knowing', I'm not saying this in reference to knowing the answer to a specific question - I'm saying 'knowing' in the context of knowing on the level of direct experiential awareness that you do not exist as the human character that you are (temporarily) experiencing, and therefore this drastically alters all prior reference points and changes the light in which you perceive the nature of the human experience. It no longer serves as the foundation for understanding one's existence and takes on a much less 'threatening' appearance... Context is crucial and an individual can experience the exact same set of circumstances, only with two distinct states of awareness which result in vastly disparate perceptions about those circumstances....

I would totally agree with this, and say that once we’re released from the limiting confines of our 3D physical body, our awareness expands way beyond the limited sensory experience we’re subjected to on Earth. And that is my point- given that we’re far more expansive in terms of our consciousness than the Earth experience allows, one has to ask- why is that?? Of what benefit is it, in spiritual terms, to be operating on a limiting system? Akin to running, I don’t know- say windows 10 on a commodore 64 or something- you get the analogy.
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Yes this is like the ultimate question/mystery... The notion of 'cosmic boredom' has been proposed by some... That the field of eternal, intelligent, omnipresent energy (of which you are integral and inseparate element) would otherwise exist in a state of complete monotony and thus, boredom... So it segments itself and creates entirely new reference points, and with that, adventures in consciousness (complete with illusions, restrictions, limitations, action, drama, etc)... It creates experiences whereby these segmented units of consciousness can experience forgetting itself and then go through the process/joy of rediscovery. And perhaps when and as that unfolds - it results in something 'more' than what was present before... This is speculative of course and coming from our vantage point which is experiencing significant limitation by way of physical embodiment. There are an ample number of NDE accounts whereby the individuals report asking questions about the mysteries of the universe/existence - and either intuiting or receiving 'answers' that made absolute sense. However they report that they were not able to sufficiently bring that awareness back with them into their physical embodiment. It's like they remember the experience - but they can't integrate the fine details back into their waking state of consciousness (in the body), at least not right away.

There is some intriguing commentary on this topic that you can listen to if you're interesting, youtube search 'the cosmic game stanislav grof' and look for the video that's 1:11:44 long and has the video preview image of the tree in front of the cosmos background. (Warning, it starts off a little slow for the first 9 minutes but then really picks up).

So how odd then, that there just so happens to be these ‘beings’ ready and waiting to ‘guide us’ huh? To steer us, like a sheepdog corrals the sheep, back into the pen.
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What's the prevent you from questioning any 'being' that you encounter, for any reason? I can't see any reason why you couldn't choose that course of action...

Yes and commonly these same people report absolutely NOT wanting to return to their earthly bodies, and many also report feeling a sense of anger, abandonment, and rejection because of their ‘dismissal’ from the ‘heavenly realms’.
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Some of the terms you used above are not one's that I would personally use to describe those circumstances... Anger, disappointment, longing, frustration, yes... But I would not personally employ terms like rejection or abandonment... And these initial mental/emotional reactions are typically just that - initial... What's really fascinating is the research that's been conducted into the types of changes that occur to the individuals who had these types of experiences - over the following months and years after the NDE. Kenneth Ring has an excellent book on this topic ('Heading Toward Omega'). For me I sometimes like to say that the 'proof is in the pudding' and if these same individuals who initially reported feeling anger, disappointment, non-acceptance for their return to human life should later go on to experience profound conscious growth/refinement/evolution which results not only in their own healing but in a state of being in which they are inspired to engage in altruism and to find real value in helping/supporting others. If that was the outcome of what was initially strong and difficult/challenging emotions of anger & disappointment - would that not have a significant effect on how we perceive the notion of having to return from an NDE? By evaluating the eventual 'fruits' that it yielded?


the Michael Newton books for example.
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You know it's interesting - despite the popularity of his books I had never found myself reading any of his material, not for maybe the first 10 years of me exploring and investigating this subject matter. By the time I finally came across and decided to read his works - I already had developed a strong foundation by which to process and interpret the material. After reading 'Journey Of Souls' - it just left me with a feeling or impression that something was a bit 'off' about it... I'm not claiming it was all B.S., or that the author was intentionally being deceptive - it's just that something about the material and how it was presented seemed incomplete and insufficient to me (like something important was missing)... This is my subjective reaction of course but his writing did not strike a chord with me and that's not due to any aversion to this topic and the kind of material associated with it.

But also, abduction reports and the fact that reincarnation was a tenet of pretty much all the religions, including original Christianity (before it was omitted from the Biblical canon). The topic has intrigued certain respected researchers who've followed up the accounts of little children reporting on their previous life, how they died, where they lived etc... only to find amazing correlations that go way beyond the realms of 'chance'. The reincarnation literature is fascinating and very persuasive.
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Right...

NDE reports pretty much unanimously state that the experiencers had a sense of ‘all knowing’ once freed from the confines of the physical. What I’m putting to you is that THAT is ALREADY our natural state and we DO NOT need to experience life on Earth to ‘unlock new perceptions’...
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Ever wonder why these same individuals reporting experiencing that 'natural state' do not return with the message "We do not need to experience life on Earth and this is all just a huge waste/lie"... ???

That's not the message that they bring back... But that is your interpretation (which you are perfectly entitled to)... What do you think accounts for the disparity between how they interpret and react to that experience - and how you feel one should interpet and react to such an experience?

hmm

In terms of learning from our experiences with others… meh. Sorry but just that. What’s the expression? No good deed goes unpunished? How was Jesus rewarded for offering his insights to the world?? And in the intervening 2000-odd years, has the nature of human behaviour really changed so much? Have we stopped stoning people to death, raping, torturing, abusing, murdering? So IF this was about soul evolution, about refinement of the spirit akin to the alchemist’s ‘lead into gold’ analogy… wouldn’t you think that we’d be seeing some kind of evidence for that by now??
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There's lots of expressions out there that I don't find much value in - and 'no good deed goes unpunished' would fit that bill (for me)...

And there is A LOT written in religious texts that I don't find to be realistic or even believable (possible) - so I cannot respond to narratives taken from religious texts that I don't have any confidence in to begin with... If that makes sense...

At no point in all of human history has humanity EVER been at ‘peace’. We’re no more AT PEACE now than we were thousands of years ago- so whatever this HIGHER SPIRITUAL PLAN is, it ain’t exactly working- is it?
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Again, it sounds like you are operating with a mindset that places 'humanity' at the front & center and makes it the foundation or focal point of existence... And I'm certainly not saying this as a criticism either because I lived most of my life perceiving that my entire existence revolved around my human experience and this physical world... I'm saying that as an observation... We are one mega-astroid impact and one supervolcano eruption away from all of these human forms being wiped out... So how can we hold onto the concept of 'humanity' as something that's supposed to reach some perfected, idealized state when we can simply look around at the nature and mechanisms of the phyical world (universe) and see that it was never intended to preserve/protect these temporary physical forms? That can't be the meaning or higher purpose behind it because all of this is transient (temporary)...

Even if humans collectively evolved to create some idealized experience - it's still one cosmic collision and one supervolcanic eruption away from almost entirely being wiped out... So 'humanity' cannot be the primary reference point, because it doesn't last... The experience of it doesn't last either...

During the course of your life experience - do you perceive any ways in which you have experienced the refinement of your state of consciousness, strengthened your character, enhanced your ability to feel/express compassion, empathy, kindness, selflessness, altruism, generosity, etc? Has experiencing struggle/limitation in any context serves to contribute to meaningful growth?

I will share this with you... In this lifetime I experienced such a substantial degree of mental suffering and internal affliction that for many years I walked around feeling like a merely an 'empty shell' of a person and truthfully during those years I would have proclaimed that I preferred to be 'dead' (anything to be removed from this reality)... So I am not writing any of this from the perspective of someone who has been spared the experience of enduring through agonizing internal suffering and hardship. But it was this very life experience that brought me to a critical breaking/turning point - and when that happened, things began to 'shift' inside and this would steer me in a different and new direction. One which would ultimately result in profound healing and experiencing a state of being that would seem to lie in polar opposition to the state of being that defined the first phase of my life experience... And the wild thing is that there was nothing significant that had changed about my external life circumstances, all of the meaningful 'changes' transpired internally...

If you had asked me when I was in my early 20's what I thought about the human experience, this physical world, and the notion of experiencing multiple incarnations - my responses would have given you the impression that you were communicating with an entirely different person than the one you are today...

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I’m not using cap locks to shout or be aggressive, but just to emphasize certain points :)
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Acknowledged!

I’ll try and reply to the rest of your message later as I’ve no time now- but genuinely I appreciate bouncing ideas around on this because it’s a pretty big deal hahaha!
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First off, let me say this: most beings that have inter-stellar travel are NOT YOUR FRIENDS. If they rely on technology, they most likely cannot ascend spiritually and MUST rely physical world manipulation for inter-dimensional and inter-stellar travel.

I've been studying Christian theology, occult conspiracy, and conspiracy theory for around 12+ years now. To say the least, I've spent thousands on rare texts on forgotten realms/eras (Mu, Atlantis, Vril/Agartha), scoured the depths of occult secrets and christian conspiracies (mostly judaic), and all around conspiracy from my teenage years.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Old Testament has been doctored by the Masoretic society. The Torah has indeed been controlled by select jewish tribes who have possession of the oldest scrolls/codex's of the Torah. Long story short, Yahweh/YHVH/AHYH/Elohim are all different entities. Only one is the correct 'Father' that Christ talks of, the other genocides groups of people for the 'greater good', and another is the Michael (in Hebrew means: he who is like God). I won't get into the Abrahamic semantics on what I am saying is 'blasphemy' but after years of research, taking Strong's concordance of Hebrew, Paleo-Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Coptic, compare and contrasting all of these ancient FIRST EDITION texts (politically correct/academia play for the globalist team and are corrupt), you will find suttle hints of the truth. Unless you devote hours, years, of life to figure this stuff out, you'll just have to take my word for it. If you don't, I highly recommend you learn Hebrew and Greek, perhaps coptic, and compare all of the old codex's/scrolls yourself. Long story short, Yeshua/Son of Man is real but not in the sense that you think. The first 'christians' were indeed Gnostics and were heavily intertwined with Greek philosophy; that is until the Orthodox church genocided them based on their 'heretical' standards they set themselves (NOT Christ's standards). Know this: Christ would never promote death. Those who kill in the name of a faith are not of Christ.

Anyhow, let's continue. Why did I bring up all this Abrahamic mumbo jumbo? Because there is no eventual return of Christ, well, not in your lifetime. You see, the flesh is weak but the spirit is strong; as in, eternal. The architects of this world/universe we live in KNOW this and depend on spiritual energy to keep this place running. For you, we live in their world while being kept as obedient 'residents' in a world THEY crafted. For them, we are simply farm animals that are given 'some' freedom to roam the planet but this is at their will/bidding; they way they see it. You see, they are not only envious on our spiritual inheritance but they are also spiteful of it as well.

Many of times, people will die from various events on this planet and they experience the separation of the spirit from the body. There's the physical body, the astral/etheric body, and finally the spirit. Every living thing has soul but not everyone has a spirit. It's why animals, plants, and even other humans/aliens, have life/personality but true divine nature. You can think of the living as advanced programs/AI that are coded in a way to adapt, evolve, and comprehend the environment. The spirit, on the other hand, gathers energy mostly from the heart. Did you now that the heart has much more power and much more electricity running through it versus the mind? Google scholar that.

Anyhow, I'm here to summarize the events that some have experienced that have spirits. See, when a living person dies without a spirit but just a soul, it easily becomes recycled back to the what the occultist call 'the ouroboros', or World Soul, or World Snake; leviathan. It is up to the Archons/architects to RECYCLE as much as they can; to include spirits that belong to the Father. With souls, it's easy to accomplish. It's just an life force, that once is plugged into a flesh suit, it keeps it going through eating, sleeping, shitting/pissing, until that flesh suit eventually breaks down and viola, the process repeats for a LONG TIME (not eternally though). This soul belongs to the Architect of this world and he/they believe that you, we, are property which they have rights over. Technically true but NOT ACCORDING TO SPIRITS.

Spiritual beings also inhabit the body, along with the soul, incorporated/imprisoned in a flesh suit but the spiritual experience of: sadness, joy, frustration, etc, give off precious energy called 'loosh' that must be harvested. The more shittiness spirits experience in this world, the more loosh energy is emitted off the human. It's why when you get in arguments, are flustered from work, are sad that you live a life pay check to pay check, fornicate with random people, that you feel EXHAUSTED from these endeavors. It's because your spiritual essence has been drained and given to the Saturn/Moon harvesting.

I won't go into detail on Moon/Saturn matrix conspiracy but overall, Saturn/Father Time is responsible to usher in linear time/linear death into this world, while the Moon/Mother Goddess, takes your spirit/soul and recycles back into another flesh suit; for as long as your remain spiritual ASLEEP/dead. No rest for the wicked and you CANNOT rest when you are dead!

A Jewish theology doctor, Dr Shmuel Asher, who has studied Hebrew/paleo hebrew his entire academic career has began to discover this conspiracy and phenomena. It is outlined in the Pentateuch/Torah, as well as all the Gospels/forbidden books that Christ's apostles and followers wrote BUT...! The Orthodox church took these books out on PURPOSE to withold the truth from you. They have brainwashed the world to believe that anything outside of the Catholic/Orthodox 'Holy Bible' is not 'canon' and thus, automatically labeled heretical. Did you know the Pope was questioned on this and asked, "Are these non-canonical books not holy and heretical?" To which the pope replied, "No, they are also divinely inspired but 'we felt' as if they were not necessary to know." Thus lies the orthodox bias. There are DOZENS of scrolls that the Holy Bible DOES NOT include talking about YESHUA/JESUS that reveal So.. Much.. Truth..!

Let us begin on what happens to you, you spirit that is reading this, when you die and become separated from your flesh suit. I will write verbatim on what Dr Asher has written, "One of the best examples in understanding how to stop the Archons cold in their tracks is found in Matthew 13:24-30 of the Orthodox new testament. This well known passage is often entiteled 'the parable of the wehat and the darnel, or tares'.

Although I believe this parable to be mostly misunderstood by them in general, in this teaching Yehshua points out that within any given time or generation, the Prime Creator's (the Father that Christ says he was sent on his behalf) messengers will know the identity of who the actual righteous wheat are, opposed to that of the false wheat or darnel.

It is depicted that an enemy has commingled the fake wheat within the authentic wheat in the field but that they will be allowed to grow together until the harvest, at which time both will be fatherd. First, the fake darnel will be gathered, bundled, and burned. Then the good wheat will be taken into the Father's barn.

It should be understood at this point that the fake wheat/souls/people (those belonging to the Uroboros/leviathan/worldly souls), were not bron this way or predestined to be evil. They are those who 'allow' themselves to REMAIN ASLEEP and manipulated by the false control narratives, by way of deception, most likely to such a depth that they are irretrievable during "that" generation. There are also those that are very few by comparison to the majority regardless of earthly religious affiliation, who will never be returned because of their knowing (such as those who know Christ but reject him).

This good or true wheat is referring to those souls/spirits who have found The Father's original instructions (give all your faith to the Father and treat others how you want to be treated), and thus taking the action of living them out to enlightenment to ascension and out of this system! As much as Yehshua taught this same instruction, few outside of Judaism understand this expressed Hebrew thought."

Those who REMAIN ASLEEP is important to highlight. Remember that Christ says the Kingdom of Heaven is within; not outside as you look up into the heavens. That's the Archons/Architects 'false heaven' and though yes, we are technically made of stars, don't forget that are bodies are made of MATERIAL atoms; the building blocks of stars. Our SPIRITS transcend matter, star matter, atoms, and we belong to the spiritual realm, NOT the material realm of atomic structure.

Now, let me go into further detail on this 'benevolent aliens' that like to post on this website. I remember one of them said that they have technology to wipe the memory of spirits and recycle them into another flesh prison. Those who experience Near Death Experience and Death Experiences say they meet these 'ancient aliens'... but DONT BE FOOLED! Just like user 'KABOOM THE MOON' says, aliens are NOT YOUR FRIENDS! They depend on spiritual energy to keep this place alive and will, at all cost, try to keep you ASLEEP to be RECYCLED at the MOON RECYCLING CENTER at ALL...COSTS...

Read this passage here:

"Moreover, and of far greater importance to all spirits is the discovery of who these entities/archons are. Are these alleged aliens our rebellion leaders disguised or a lower creation provided with technological advancements who are also created from the dust of this earth or another earth by those rebellion leaders themselves? (We are dealing with the Watchers ladies and gentlement, the fallen ones from the Book of Enoch and are aided by demonic beings). My think is that they are both the rebellion leader themselves, and other soulless beings that they created to aid their endeavors (the AI/matrix flesh suits with only energy souls but not divine personality spirits; Soros, Obama, or those who have souls taken out and replaced with demonic spirits). As it is their ultimate and unchanging goal, they perpetuate yet another false narrative of an advanced alien culture visiting earth (LIES!). Hoever, as always these false narratives are used to divert mankind from seeking its true Creator/the Father. Later used to prove these alleged aliens as being our supposed original creators (while technically true, we were hijacked and imprisoned into the material bodies we know inhabit).

It must then be, that we are considered unique because we, unlike them, are a direct creation of our original source Creator/the Father (Luke 12:7 "And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So do not be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.") We are ETERNAL LIVING SPIRITS! they are not! My educated guess is that no other demigod created entity within this creation level has been afforded a living-soul to go with their 666/carbon based lifeforms, making us unique even within our temporary physicality.

Truth is, no created being can create as the Prime Eternal Creator/the Father, but rather they are only able to emulate and manipulate what has already been created."

They do not original thought, creativity, but can only steal from true artists/creators, emulate them, mix/match what has been done, and but never originality.

What is entirely frightening is that they have technology that can rip souls from bodies, guide them into other bodies or hold them hostage, and swap them out with others. Prime example, look at Kanye West. Has been manhandled by the elite ever since he spoke out against Hillary Clinton, a high ranking witch (the real meaning behind trumps 'nasty woman' comment).

Lastly, I will depart this short write up with one things for my fellow believers in Christ. KNOW that the Kingdom of Heaven is within, NOT IN THE SKIES or HEAVENS in this false illusion world of linear time. DO NOT go to the MOON if you die. Do not trust in aliens/archons, as they are most likely the Watchers/Fallen from the Book of Enoch and Genesis. We are the strangers in their world they crafted. Christ said himself, "I am not of this world." Neither are we, my fellow spirits and we must go back to the Father where we BELONG! Leave this place and have the Archons become doomed, as they see us as slaves, property, and prisoners for their bidding.

This man in this YouTube video tells of his first hand experience with the Archons, details on how their soul wiping/memory wiping technology, and how they recycles souls (and SPIRITS who are still ASLEEP! Those who have ears, let them hear! -Yehshua Christ). Have faith in the Father, Holy Spirit, and in Christ! The best offense is not a good defense... the best offense is NOT playing in their game at all and instead spending your life knowing the Father and the Kingdom of Heaven within to escape their Prison Matrix Linear Time world. Stay away from the FALSE LIGHT TRAP! Kaboom the Moon is correct!!!


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1. Stop eating ORMUS
2. Stop eating LSD
3. Stop smoking Meth
4. Stop injecting DMT
5. Stop smoking DMT
6. Go to the 'Big Thicket' in Texas.
7. Use a 4 wheel drive
8. Drive as far in on any dirt road you find
9. Pack a lunch or two and bring it with you
10. Wait
11. Do not exit the vehicle
12. Piss in a bottle
13. It may take up to three days
14. They will come out
15. They will start by throwing rocks
16. They will howl a little
17. They will then come up to your vehicle
18. I forgot make sure you have a full tank of gas
19. When you finally see them, you should probably run/drive away
20. Once you've seen them, you'll probably stop worrying about this other shit and start to realize you're not in Kansas any more and this other shit is far less important than you thought it was.
21. I'm not lying about any of this
22. You can also drive instead to the Sam Houston National forest and the same thing will happen.
23. There's no reason to label them, we have no idea what they really are
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Why was scurvy cured by limes and only limes? So many other things have high levels of vit. C. Rosehips. Barbados Cherry.
Sauerkraut.
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You gonna play that shit huh? There is another definition for scurvy it's (worthless or contemptible.).
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Going to sea was the same as being one of Mcnamara's Morons? How did they all not drown?

Making a fruit from a particular area the miracle cure for a common condition opens up trade to that country.

Does citrus have any special benefit for idiocy? Is that why they pushes liminocella so much? Is that because of its amphetamine like properties?
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The simulation is an excuse for people to engage with the Coming NWO, no wage just an electronic correction for you Mr Pavlov.

The simulation is simulation and the only reality is the one you are losing.

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Thanks Wolf for taking the time to compose such a detailed and considered response
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No problem....

I’d have to disagree with this, straight off the bat. For example, muslims rarely report positive NDEs of meeting with allah/muhammad or whatever, and in the rare instances that maybe they do (I’ve not come across anything convincing), I’d suspect a bit of taqiyya at play. See vid below…
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How many muslim NDE's have you explored that you would feel comfortable making broader generalizations about the nature of those experiences for an entire demographic that exceeds something like 2 billion people?

I myself would not feel comfortable doing so as I've not personally encountered any wide database or collection of NDE accounts from individuals self-identifying as muslim. The other thing we really need to be mindful of is that with this particular demographic - there is significant concern about under-reporting and non-reporting of experiences because within heavily religious cultures, any individual reporting transcendental (spiritual) experiences that do not conform to the rigid tenents/doctrines of the religion in question are going to be met with criticism, scorn, shunning, (maybe even violence) etc.... So for psychological/sociological reasons - an individual who experiences something that cannot be adequately reinforced/supported by preexisting religious ideology is extremely unlikely to be forthcoming about one's experience and even more unlikely to allow it to be widely known in the form of being published (publicly). So one has to wonder how many individuals out there are actually having profound, life-changing Near-Death Experiences, but have to more or less keep it to themselves and for valid reasons are extremely reluctant to share those details/experiences with others.

Also, I'm not sure that we should hold the expectation that everyone who identifies as religious should somehow experience seeing a character/figure tied to those religions. If everyone received (experienced) what is reinforced by their preexisting beliefs/ideologies then we would expect that self-identified atheists would experience nothing. And these experiences beyond this dimension paint the picture of a multi-dimensional existence where forms & appearances are not rigid, but malleable (changeable).


Similarly, those who commit suicide also tend to experience less pleasant NDEs.
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I've read from one researcher's finding that there are individuals who harmed themselves and experienced distressing NDE's and there are individuals who harmed themselves and experienced profound and radiant NDE's... Of course no one should view harming oneself as a real answer to their plight - and no one returning from an NDE has ever advocated harming oneself as a solution (quite the opposite). However when you consider the state of mind and the strong mental/emotional influences that lead up to one harming oneself - it would not surprise me to learn that one's mental/emotional state could have a considerable influence in determining the nature of the (NDE) experience that followed.

I’ve thought about this also- that it is perhaps the ‘higher self’ informing the judgement, as opposed to an external force or ‘adjudicator’.
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Yes many people hear of NDE experiencers reporting that the judgement originates from within and they immediately reject this idea - why? Because they are (incorrectly) assuming that this judgement is originating from egoic identity that is so commonly experienced during the human experience, from that state of awareness. The one in which people are likely to make excuses for their behavior and employ defense mechanism to protect their physical-mind derived 'sense of self' (identity). And of course that's not the correct context at all because the individuals providing these accounts report experiencing a entirely different state of being far removed from their human state of consciousness/awareness. And they universally report that nothing is hidden or obscured during this process, that there is complete transparency. That you cannot lie to yourself in such a context or environment.

HOWEVER, I’d have to say that one major defining difference that I’ve observed in terms of the humans on this planet, is that there are maybe three but certainly at least two ‘types’- those with conscience (empaths for want of a better word) and those without conscience (psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists… general cluster B types).
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Respectfully, I strongly feel that any time we attempt to take our incredibly complex reality and attempt to define or describe it using a limited number of 'types' or 'groups' or 'sides' (duality) - we inevitably result in diminishing the actual nature of it (reality) and this leads to reduced perception/awareness of what actually is... In other words it does not contribute to yielding heightened awareness for what it is that we are attempting to describe and observe.

I'm certain that there are some individuals out there branded as sociopaths who - if you could become intimately aware of their personal history, you would discover they endured through significant abuse/neglect during their life experince and that this factored significantly into their state of being, later in life. Of course this does not excuse harming others - but it raises the question as to what the outcome would have been had these individuals not been impacted by such external influences. If they had instead experienced growing up in a nurturing, non-abusive environment...

So with that in mind, those individuals who tend towards psychopathy/sociopathy might arguably be described as those who would most benefit from a few ‘life lessons’. Yet it is precisely their lack of inner self-awareness and empathy for others that defines their mindset. So where and how is the ‘higher self’ operating within these individuals? Or does it just magically spring forth after death? And if so, what a pointless exercise!!
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That's a great question... And there are a lot of great questions that can be posed which we are not going to find a perfect or completely fulfilling answer to - not from this vantage point (while still experiencing these limited physical bodies).

Let's say you have an incredibly vivid nightmare... Almost like a lucid dream experience, which feels ultra realistic. When you awake in your bed started - what you just experienced feels absolutely real (valid). The conscious experience of it was nearly indistinguishable from your waking reality. Yet when you wake up in bed, there is quickly the experience or realization of having 'awakened' or shifted to a greater reality - and (physical) reality that feels 'more real' than that dream environment you just experienced. So there is this sense/experience of shifting from one reality (in this example the dream state/reality) to a broader, more expansive, more comple reality (in this example our physical world/reality).

If you can get comfortable with the idea of that conscious transition (as it is experienced) - then it's not too difficult to connect with the idea that the conscious experience of leaving this physical world/reality could yield a similar experience. Namely, the experience of physical death will result in your conscious energy (soul) not only departing from this physical dimension (reality), but essentially 'awakening' out of this more limiting physical reality and into a broader, more expansive, more complex, multi-dimensional reality. This would not be a brand new experience - but it would be akin to waking up from your vivid/lucid nightmare (dream). That you would find yourself connecting with a greater, more complex reality that would in turn completely change/alter how you would view what is now perceived as a temporary and significantly more limited reality (human life in the physical dimension).

I would again reinforce the notion that the experience of the physical body itself is limiting in that it influences your conscious energy to strongly identify with the body and to strongly identify with all the temporary forms of the physical world. I perceive that individuals who display no empathy have worked themselves into a state where they have become so self-centered and so strongly consciously identified with the illusory perception of being separate from everyone/everything else - therefore they can only think of themselves and their own needs/desires/impulses... They are experiencing a gross distortion of the truth of their reality/existence... However the physical body is a significant influence here because it contributes to the perception (illusion) of everything existing as a separate form. So after death, you are removing the context by which the physical body is contributing to these limited perceptions - and as we've discussed that disembodied state yields a multi-dimensional awareness that is going to be distinctly unique as compared to the state of awareness that would have been experienced by those individuals in the embodied state. And I'm not suggesting this would magically or instantly change someone's state of consciousness - certainly not suggesting that. Only that these individuals may reconnect with a state of awareness that will enable them to accurately perceive what transpired during their human incarnation/experience. To perceive the actual nature of what they lived/experienced. I don't believe there are any free passes and if they worked their way into a certain, undesirable state of being (state of consciousness) - they will be faced with the task of gradually working their way out of it (by whatever means we are afforded to accomplish this)...

Look to the satanic elite- do they seem the least bit perturbed about future consequences of their actions, in the spiritual dimensions? Do they fear ‘judgement’? One must assume that they have access to more information, pieces of the puzzle etc than we do- we know the Vatican alone has sequestered away unimaginable amounts of information pertaining to our human history.
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I would stop yourself right there... Why would we assume that the 'satanic elite' possess wisdom? If they had cultivated wisdom within themselves, if they were wise - well then they certainly wouldn't be operating in a manner that seeks to manipulate and cause widespread harm to others - right?

They control, manipulate, and cause harm through material and psychological means. They control through wealth (resources), and psychological influence. They control the means of production and have huge financial interests in the resources that make the world go round. That's where their 'power' originates from. Take away their financial/material resources and what ability do they have to control the world? None... They can possess intelligence, and the psychological understanding of how to manipulate people and the masses - but this is not wisdom, because with wisdom (awareness) comes empathy and a greater sense of connectedness with others. Nothing about their actions speaks to having cultivated and posessing wisdom - which would shield empathy, compassion, altruism, selflessness, etc...

If they were wise then why the neverending fixation with the pursuit of wealth, material possessions, and power/control over others?

If they had any real awareness & understanding of what people from all over the globe report experiencing during Near-Death Experiences regarding the 'life review' - do you really think they would continue intentionally causing harm to others if they also realized that they are going be made directly aware of how their actons affected the conscious experience of others? Of course not...

Also, books in and of themselves do not automatically yield enhanced awareness, wisdom, and character-growth in the individuals who possess them or have access to them (the books/texts). Simply reading something, even professing belief in what you've read - does not necessarily produce any significant & lasting changes in one's state of consciousness.

The significant and lasting changes to one's conscious state require years of challenging inner-work and the eventual relinquishment of limiting and unhealthy attachments. No book can give this to anyone, but a book could inspire a person to pursue this path.... Yet that individual still has to do all of the heavy lifting, all of the 'work' to get the results. So simply possessing a book or having access to a book, no matter how profound and wise the contents could be - it speaks nothing to the state of consciousness (state of conscious development) of the individual in question. If anything, they could be hiding materials that would inspire people to 'wake up' and thereby disrupt the world's current control grid/structure.

Again, if they possessed real wisdom, they would be experienced a state of heightened/enhanced awareness - and in that state they no be seeking to harm/manipulate others, and they would not exhibit such a ridiculous unhealthy attachment to worldly things (wealth, money, material possessions, image/status, controlling others)... Everything about what they do and how they operate speaks to these individuals not being 'spiritually' aware and not possessing any significant degree of wisdom... Their conscious experience seems entirely identified with this human life and they operate in manners that reinforce experiencing such a state/condition. These are not psychologically healthy individuals - yet all you ever see or hear of them is what's displayed publicly, or printed in the (controlled) media... I strongly suspect if you could know the intimate details of their private, internal lives - you would discover individuals with major insecurities, fears, and afflictions... In other words, no sense of peace, no sense of contentment, and no sense of self-acceptance and wholeness...

What are they hiding, and how has it informed their actions?
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What are they hiding? Their selfishness, their lack of wisdom, their lack of character development that would otherwise lead to feeling empathy for others and selfless acts of altruism...

I'm putting to you that the same dynamics we see playing out every day in nature, all around you- the weak get eaten- either by larger predators or smaller parasitical entities seizing advantage of any weakness in the biological organism- those same dynamics are operating on a larger scale also. Humans are NOT at the top of the food chain.
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The only thing that can make the existence and the experience of the 'food chain' in this physical reality tolerable is the realization that all of the physical forms that perish are animated by a field of energy that can never perish. That those physical experiences are always temporary and the underlying eternal energy always survives and continues on...

Much as we require food for energy, higher dimensional beings also require sustenance- very likely in the form of our life force or 'soul' or 'spirit' or whatever label you want to give it.
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I would respectfully caution you against the practice of taking certain attributes that are distinctly rooted in this physical reality and upholding them as a model or blueprint for the entirety of existence within a multi-dimensional reality.

Eating in the context of this physical reality/dimension is only to sustain the physical vessel (body/form). The very same physical vessel that is born with a guaranteed but unknown expiration date, and which is only temporary. So how do you reckon that having to consume food to sustain a clearly temporary body/form is analogous to 'higher beings' feeding on energy outside of this physical dimension? Why would these 'higher beings' in a disembodied (non-physical) state require energy to survive/sustain? And how does one 'consume energy' since our only other reference point here is strictly a physical act of consuming food and then our physical body has a physical organs and a physical process which digests that food?

The very context of 'higher beings' in a non-physical dimension works against all human reference points we have for the act of 'eating/feeding' - does it not?

And to further test/challenge this practice of taking traits inherently part of the human experience and extrapolating or applying them to contexts entirely different than the human experience - why stop at the act/pratice of eating/feeding? For example, do 'higher beings' also have to urinate and take dumps? Do they have to sleep and take naps to sustain themselves? Do they have to have physical sex to procreate? Do they grow old and have to experience the 'death' of their physical form? If asking these additional questions doesn't sound like it makes any sense in the context of 'higher beings' in another dimension - that's good, because it shouldn't. The notion of having to eat/consume to survive is rooted in experiencing a temporary, physical form - one in which requires physical consumption, physical digestion, physical defecation, and physical sex for reproduction. Unless you can sufficiently explain how non-physical beings would be bound by the same processes of beings experiencing physical embodiment (such as the human experience) - I don't see how any reasonable analogy can be made... If you're not actively experiencing a temporary, physical form - why would you need to eat anything to live/survive? There would be nothing to sustain, no physical meat suit which demands/requires sustenance...

Does it make more sense how the notion of 'higher beings' in a non-physical dimension would have no need or requirement for a process that is distinctly tied to your physical embodiment in this limiting physical reality (dimension) that was always intended to be a temporary experience? You're not eating to sustain your existence, you are eating to sustain your temporary meatsuit... The notion of 'higher beings' eating to sustain their existence is clearly not the same as the context we experience here and where we pull all reference points for eating/consuming... So the two contexts are not analogous when sufficiently scrutnized...

So if we didn't evolve- who put us here? And WHY??
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Great question... Are you certain that there are only two ways of looking at/into this? It sounds like you are currently only allowing for two possibilities in your mind. The 'darwin' perspective of randomness and spontaneous creation with seemingly no rhyme, reason, or purpose - versus the 'some external actor or force' must have done this to us... What if neither of these two sides/options paints an accurate depiction of the actual truth of the matter? What if both viewpoints prove to be insufficient & inadequate?

Human society tries to pigeon-hole you into choosing from a very limited number of 'options' to adopt... It does not encourage nor reward outside the box thinking/perceiving - because that would disrupt the existing paradigms and conceptual models and inevitably result in others feeling uncomfortable/insecure... So there is this pervading societal pressure to conform your mind to these limited options/sides...

The actual truth of the matter is not going to be found through identification with our prepackaged belief systems about reality which you will find significant portions of the human population professing belief in... It will only come through one's hard (internal) work that results in changes in one's state of consciousness that will pave the way for self-discovery (akin to gnosis), which is on the level of personal 'knowing', and no longer on the level of 'believing' something (professing belef, but not knowing). The difference, when all is said and done, is night & date... And when I say 'knowing', I'm not saying this in reference to knowing the answer to a specific question - I'm saying 'knowing' in the context of knowing on the level of direct experiential awareness that you do not exist as the human character that you are (temporarily) experiencing, and therefore this drastically alters all prior reference points and changes the light in which you perceive the nature of the human experience. It no longer serves as the foundation for understanding one's existence and takes on a much less 'threatening' appearance... Context is crucial and an individual can experience the exact same set of circumstances, only with two distinct states of awareness which result in vastly disparate perceptions about those circumstances....

I would totally agree with this, and say that once we’re released from the limiting confines of our 3D physical body, our awareness expands way beyond the limited sensory experience we’re subjected to on Earth. And that is my point- given that we’re far more expansive in terms of our consciousness than the Earth experience allows, one has to ask- why is that?? Of what benefit is it, in spiritual terms, to be operating on a limiting system? Akin to running, I don’t know- say windows 10 on a commodore 64 or something- you get the analogy.
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Yes this is like the ultimate question/mystery... The notion of 'cosmic boredom' has been proposed by some... That the field of eternal, intelligent, omnipresent energy (of which you are integral and inseparate element) would otherwise exist in a state of complete monotony and thus, boredom... So it segments itself and creates entirely new reference points, and with that, adventures in consciousness (complete with illusions, restrictions, limitations, action, drama, etc)... It creates experiences whereby these segmented units of consciousness can experience forgetting itself and then go through the process/joy of rediscovery. And perhaps when and as that unfolds - it results in something 'more' than what was present before... This is speculative of course and coming from our vantage point which is experiencing significant limitation by way of physical embodiment. There are an ample number of NDE accounts whereby the individuals report asking questions about the mysteries of the universe/existence - and either intuiting or receiving 'answers' that made absolute sense. However they report that they were not able to sufficiently bring that awareness back with them into their physical embodiment. It's like they remember the experience - but they can't integrate the fine details back into their waking state of consciousness (in the body), at least not right away.

There is some intriguing commentary on this topic that you can listen to if you're interesting, youtube search 'the cosmic game stanislav grof' and look for the video that's 1:11:44 long and has the video preview image of the tree in front of the cosmos background. (Warning, it starts off a little slow for the first 9 minutes but then really picks up).

So how odd then, that there just so happens to be these ‘beings’ ready and waiting to ‘guide us’ huh? To steer us, like a sheepdog corrals the sheep, back into the pen.
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What's the prevent you from questioning any 'being' that you encounter, for any reason? I can't see any reason why you couldn't choose that course of action...

Yes and commonly these same people report absolutely NOT wanting to return to their earthly bodies, and many also report feeling a sense of anger, abandonment, and rejection because of their ‘dismissal’ from the ‘heavenly realms’.
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Some of the terms you used above are not one's that I would personally use to describe those circumstances... Anger, disappointment, longing, frustration, yes... But I would not personally employ terms like rejection or abandonment... And these initial mental/emotional reactions are typically just that - initial... What's really fascinating is the research that's been conducted into the types of changes that occur to the individuals who had these types of experiences - over the following months and years after the NDE. Kenneth Ring has an excellent book on this topic ('Heading Toward Omega'). For me I sometimes like to say that the 'proof is in the pudding' and if these same individuals who initially reported feeling anger, disappointment, non-acceptance for their return to human life should later go on to experience profound conscious growth/refinement/evolution which results not only in their own healing but in a state of being in which they are inspired to engage in altruism and to find real value in helping/supporting others. If that was the outcome of what was initially strong and difficult/challenging emotions of anger & disappointment - would that not have a significant effect on how we perceive the notion of having to return from an NDE? By evaluating the eventual 'fruits' that it yielded?


the Michael Newton books for example.
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You know it's interesting - despite the popularity of his books I had never found myself reading any of his material, not for maybe the first 10 years of me exploring and investigating this subject matter. By the time I finally came across and decided to read his works - I already had developed a strong foundation by which to process and interpret the material. After reading 'Journey Of Souls' - it just left me with a feeling or impression that something was a bit 'off' about it... I'm not claiming it was all B.S., or that the author was intentionally being deceptive - it's just that something about the material and how it was presented seemed incomplete and insufficient to me (like something important was missing)... This is my subjective reaction of course but his writing did not strike a chord with me and that's not due to any aversion to this topic and the kind of material associated with it.

But also, abduction reports and the fact that reincarnation was a tenet of pretty much all the religions, including original Christianity (before it was omitted from the Biblical canon). The topic has intrigued certain respected researchers who've followed up the accounts of little children reporting on their previous life, how they died, where they lived etc... only to find amazing correlations that go way beyond the realms of 'chance'. The reincarnation literature is fascinating and very persuasive.
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Right...

NDE reports pretty much unanimously state that the experiencers had a sense of ‘all knowing’ once freed from the confines of the physical. What I’m putting to you is that THAT is ALREADY our natural state and we DO NOT need to experience life on Earth to ‘unlock new perceptions’...
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Ever wonder why these same individuals reporting experiencing that 'natural state' do not return with the message "We do not need to experience life on Earth and this is all just a huge waste/lie"... ???

That's not the message that they bring back... But that is your interpretation (which you are perfectly entitled to)... What do you think accounts for the disparity between how they interpret and react to that experience - and how you feel one should interpet and react to such an experience?

hmm

In terms of learning from our experiences with others… meh. Sorry but just that. What’s the expression? No good deed goes unpunished? How was Jesus rewarded for offering his insights to the world?? And in the intervening 2000-odd years, has the nature of human behaviour really changed so much? Have we stopped stoning people to death, raping, torturing, abusing, murdering? So IF this was about soul evolution, about refinement of the spirit akin to the alchemist’s ‘lead into gold’ analogy… wouldn’t you think that we’d be seeing some kind of evidence for that by now??
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There's lots of expressions out there that I don't find much value in - and 'no good deed goes unpunished' would fit that bill (for me)...

And there is A LOT written in religious texts that I don't find to be realistic or even believable (possible) - so I cannot respond to narratives taken from religious texts that I don't have any confidence in to begin with... If that makes sense...

At no point in all of human history has humanity EVER been at ‘peace’. We’re no more AT PEACE now than we were thousands of years ago- so whatever this HIGHER SPIRITUAL PLAN is, it ain’t exactly working- is it?
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Again, it sounds like you are operating with a mindset that places 'humanity' at the front & center and makes it the foundation or focal point of existence... And I'm certainly not saying this as a criticism either because I lived most of my life perceiving that my entire existence revolved around my human experience and this physical world... I'm saying that as an observation... We are one mega-astroid impact and one supervolcano eruption away from all of these human forms being wiped out... So how can we hold onto the concept of 'humanity' as something that's supposed to reach some perfected, idealized state when we can simply look around at the nature and mechanisms of the phyical world (universe) and see that it was never intended to preserve/protect these temporary physical forms? That can't be the meaning or higher purpose behind it because all of this is transient (temporary)...

Even if humans collectively evolved to create some idealized experience - it's still one cosmic collision and one supervolcanic eruption away from almost entirely being wiped out... So 'humanity' cannot be the primary reference point, because it doesn't last... The experience of it doesn't last either...

During the course of your life experience - do you perceive any ways in which you have experienced the refinement of your state of consciousness, strengthened your character, enhanced your ability to feel/express compassion, empathy, kindness, selflessness, altruism, generosity, etc? Has experiencing struggle/limitation in any context serves to contribute to meaningful growth?

I will share this with you... In this lifetime I experienced such a substantial degree of mental suffering and internal affliction that for many years I walked around feeling like a merely an 'empty shell' of a person and truthfully during those years I would have proclaimed that I preferred to be 'dead' (anything to be removed from this reality)... So I am not writing any of this from the perspective of someone who has been spared the experience of enduring through agonizing internal suffering and hardship. But it was this very life experience that brought me to a critical breaking/turning point - and when that happened, things began to 'shift' inside and this would steer me in a different and new direction. One which would ultimately result in profound healing and experiencing a state of being that would seem to lie in polar opposition to the state of being that defined the first phase of my life experience... And the wild thing is that there was nothing significant that had changed about my external life circumstances, all of the meaningful 'changes' transpired internally...

If you had asked me when I was in my early 20's what I thought about the human experience, this physical world, and the notion of experiencing multiple incarnations - my responses would have given you the impression that you were communicating with an entirely different person than the one you are today...

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I’m not using cap locks to shout or be aggressive, but just to emphasize certain points :)
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Acknowledged!

I’ll try and reply to the rest of your message later as I’ve no time now- but genuinely I appreciate bouncing ideas around on this because it’s a pretty big deal hahaha!
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It's a good basis for discussion because neither of us are debating the after-death experience or the premise of reincarnation. Where we essentially differ is in terms of the 'purpose' of that- whether it's ultimately benevolent or malevolent.

When I first started reading the NDE literature I had a similar outlook to yourself- not that I'm suggesting you're a newbie to this as admittedly I haven't been following it for ten years- maybe five or so.

So the basis behind me changing from someone who viewed all of this very positively, to someone who started to sense something sinister operating in the background, was taking a wide-view on the subject. Yes, for me as an individual, it could be argued that life offers experiences and opportunities for growth. However, for something to hold 'true' it needs to be evident in certainly most if not all examples.

So what of the baby born into an environment of sexual abuse. It's an awful example but in the spirit of truth it needs to be said- of what spiritual 'benefit' to the soul is a short life of horror and abuse before an untimely end?

We could say the 'soul' learns that abuse is 'bad'?? I mean- that's a stretch. How many of us would willingly volunteer to incarnate into a helpless body only to be used, exploited, and subjected to horrific pain by sadistic psychopaths?

If there's some higher order at play, then it absolutely does allow for such horrors and abuses and it's not good enough to say that outside of the physical 3D realm none of it matters.

IT DOES MATTER.

I always think back to this video (below), because it highlighted to me the absolute distinction between people in terms of their cognisance. The exchange is not dissimilar to ours, although the woman- whilst certainly appearing to have all the answers, lacks authenticity (for me). I'm not equating you with this woman for one minute- only that she gives me the serious creeps- the audience appear brainwashed, under a spell and unwilling to go against the herd or actually think for themselves- it's all a bit bizarro.

Probably 95% of people would totally vibe with this woman's message. But it just sets my bullshit detectors off- because whilst I can appreciate some of the truths she's offering, the overall message and conclusions just do not resonate with me on a deeper level.



Again though you've made some great points which I'm not deliberately ignoring- I just need a bit more spare time to address it all with the attention it deserves!

To be continued!

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I mean, you can even hear the audible hiss that punctuates all of her speech- it's some weird hypnotic NLP stuff she has going on there.

What's the AGENDA behind all of this New Age indoctrination? Who's been funding it and to what end?

8:05 in that video above- she suggests that by expanding his questioning to those less fortunate than himself, he's effectively 'taking the weight of the world onto his shoulders'! Shut it down!! Whereas I would say, that's a perfectly valid query!! The kid starving in Africa- can they honestly just focus their intent on a roast dinner next week and it'll magically materialise?! Are they starving of hunger because their thinking was coming from a place of 'lack', as opposed to a place of abundance? It's just insulting, it truly is.

So if it doesn't exactly apply outside of the cocooned existences of middle-class housewives, can we truly in good conscience genuinely call it 'Truth'?!

And at 14:05- I mean, that is just something else. Haha, it's ace- that anyone could actually go along with that! "Well we can't actually address your point but we do know better- so suck it up because we're all a lot happier living in delusion than you are"!

Again, reminds me of the 'patience is wearing thin' sketch in that Janeway scene:



This is GLP- damn I'd love to believe it was all fluffy pink clouds and dancing unicorns but ya know...

When an entire movement has been funded since the sixties (Timothy Leary et al) to indoctrinate the 'outliers' into lapping up this whole 'we're all one' ideology... sorry but at what point do you start to suspect that maybe there's an agenda at play here.

I embrace my individual consciousness. I don't want to merge with the collective consciousness having seen what it largely entails. This whole 'drop the ego' mantra is just another means of basically saying, adopt the hive mind- we are the Borg.
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OP, the book in this thread has the exact same take on things as you layout in you op, it's a good read...

Thread: The Divine Secret Garden - For the True Seeds.

Also, explore Wes Penre, lots on the Moon Matrix.

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What if you have children, family, friends that you know are just lost? Do you just leave them to their fate or stay to try and guide them out of the labyrinth?
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I don’t trust NDE stories at all.
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"A nope theology doctor, Dr Shmuel Asher, who has studied Yebrew/Paleo Yebrew his entire academic career"
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What academic career?
Where did he study?
Where did he get his Phd from?

Do a searh for his name. "Dr Shmuel Asher"

Then try things like...

"biographyy" "credentials" "received a Phd from"

NOTHING to be found.

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