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Why did the gospels take over a century to be written after the death of Jesus!?

 
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How can one be an 'idolator', when he only worships the One True God?

That's what you are not understanding.

Jesus is God.
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No hes not!

Numbers 23:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
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You are using this proof text wrong.
English must not be your first language.

This old covenant text says that God does not lie,
like a man does.

God cannot lie.

It is a proof text for the character of our God.

It does not say that God cannot be man (Messiah).

You keep pushing this same proof text in ignorance,
thus proving your ignorance.
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How is it that you follow Jesus but yet ignore what Jesus says about Himself? There's a reason Jesus not only SAID these things, but also that they are recorded as His own words...direct quotes.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. Matthew 7:21
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

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A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


Jesus died on Friday April 13th, AD 29. He was resurrected Sunday April 15th, AD 29. Matthew appears to have written around the time of the 1st Jerusalem council. I date it to c. 48. As Matthew had all the previous census records and proof of Jesus' lineage from the House of David, he was the most qualified to begin the narrative history of Jesus Christ, being both an eyewitness and intimately familiar with all the surrounding details. It wasn't 40 years later. Matthew wasn't even alive 40 years later.

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Mark appears to have been written only slightly later than Matthew. His Gospel appears to have been directed first to the Syrian church at Antioch. Mark had turned away from the work in Perga of Pamphylia, and though Barnabas pleaded with Paul, Paul didn't want to take Mark with them to begin the 2nd missionary journey (viz. Acts 13).

While Mark remained with the church at Antioch, he grew in his maturity. I think Mark never quite forgave himself for having foresaken the work of Christ because he writes himself into the narrative of Mark in the form of a spiritual anachronism, cryptically confessing himself to be unclothed and a coward, having cast off the Linen Shroud and Garment of Christ.

This is Mark's personal signature of his Gospel, and his secret confession of his sin, of which the church of Antioch was fully aware. I put Mark c. 50.

Mark 14

51And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: 52And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

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Because people were afraid...

It was a Death Sentence to speak the name of Jesus, or to get caught with any literature promoting, identifying, or extolling the words of Jesus...

Because - Death Sentence...!
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Several years later, Paul appears to have read through Mark's account of Christ and was pleased at Mark's spiritual stand. Paul got the message of Mark's anachronism. He makes a humorous and inspiring cryptic remark to Timothy about Mark in his 2nd letter to Timothy:

Luke alone is with me. And Mark, now being resurrected, bring with you, for he has become very useful to me for ministry. - 2 Timothy 4:11

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Thanks for the thought provoking posts to this 5 star thread.
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A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


Jesus died on Friday April 13th, AD 29. He was resurrected Sunday April 15th, AD 29. Matthew appears to have written around the time of the 1st Jerusalem council. I date it to c. 48. As Matthew had all the previous census records and proof of Jesus' lineage from the House of David, he was the most qualified to begin the narrative history of Jesus Christ, being both an eyewitness and intimately familiar with all the surrounding details. It wasn't 40 years later. Matthew wasn't even alive 40 years later.
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Prove it.
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Thanks for the thought provoking posts to this 5 star thread.
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A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


Jesus died on Friday April 13th, AD 29. He was resurrected Sunday April 15th, AD 29. Matthew appears to have written around the time of the 1st Jerusalem council. I date it to c. 48. As Matthew had all the previous census records and proof of Jesus' lineage from the House of David, he was the most qualified to begin the narrative history of Jesus Christ, being both an eyewitness and intimately familiar with all the surrounding details. It wasn't 40 years later. Matthew wasn't even alive 40 years later.
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Prove it.
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It was the only year within range to have a Friday Day of Preparation as Passover fell on Shabbat. Dionysius Exiguus had made a four year error in the calendar based upon mistaking the co-regent reign of Tiberius (beginning in 10) for his regnal year of 14. So you have to push back the date from AD 33 to AD 29. When you do, everything falls into place as the year of Jubilee was 26-27, John having baptized in 25, and Jesus having a 3 1/2 year ministry.

Using HDate Hebrew Calendar Linux app for Hebrew Year 3789: Day of Preparation Friday April 13th, Shabbat Passover Eve Nisan 14th / April 14th, Passover Morning Sunday April 15th AD 29 Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

April AD29 Nisan 3789
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5 6/ 6 7/ 7
8/ 8 9/ 9 10/10 11/11 12/12 13/13 14/14
15+15 16+16 17~17 18~18 19~19 20~20 21+21
22+22 23/23 24/24 25/25 26/26 27/27 28/28
29/29 30/30

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Re: Why did the gospels take over a century to be written after the death of Jesus!?
They didn’t .

Matthew had a Gospel in Aramaic in 40BC and was preaching the word.

It’s very rare for documents to last that long... it just was never found
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because they spent 100 years have "this Council" and "that Council",
over which made-up stories were better than others.
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Re: Why did the gospels take over a century to be written after the death of Jesus!?
Christians are in TOTAL DENIAL about the Source of their BS (belief system) because they refuse to accept responsibility for their OWN behavior ...

They have chosen to become "god's" slaves - of their own free will... and to blame his (only) "son" Lucifer for their own ignorance of the "golden rule" of the Universe of Universes --- while ignoring the fact that Our (true) Creator designed NATURE to sustain LIFE - eternally - by providing for the needs of ALL the inhabitants of Earth - UNCONDITIONALLY

Jesus did not establish or participate in any Religion --- early on, he established a symbiotic relationship with NATURE, (supported by his association with the Essene and Nazereans) that revealed to him the Origins and purpose of our Creation, and our Destiny ... and the true Nature of our Creator, that accepts our Sovereignty and Equality
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Christians are in TOTAL DENIAL about the Source of their BS (belief system) because they refuse to accept responsibility for their OWN behavior ...

They have chosen to become "god's" slaves - of their own free will... and to blame his (only) "son" Lucifer for their own ignorance of the "golden rule" of the Universe of Universes --- while ignoring the fact that Our (true) Creator designed NATURE to sustain LIFE - eternally - by providing for the needs of ALL the inhabitants of Earth - UNCONDITIONALLY

Jesus did not establish or participate in any Religion --- early on, he established a symbiotic relationship with NATURE, (supported by his association with the Essene and Nazereans) that revealed to him the Origins and purpose of our Creation, and our Destiny ... and the true Nature of our Creator, that accepts our Sovereignty and Equality

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Christians are in TOTAL DENIAL about the Source of their BS (belief system) because they refuse to accept responsibility for their OWN behavior ...

 Quoting: Shadow Dance


False.

I totally recognize I am a sinner before Almighty Holy God

and there is nothing that I can do to make myself Holy before Him

but to accept and believe what He did for me.

YOU, Shadow Dance, are the one in total denial.

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It's not polite to go messing with the Bride of the Bridegroom. That sort of behavior could get people hurt.

Even now the Axe is laid into the Root of the Trees. - Matthew 3:10



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A period of forty years separates the death of Jesus from the writing of the first gospel. History offers us little direct evidence about the events of this period, but it does suggest that the early Christians were engaged in one of the most basic of human activities: story-telling.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


Jesus died on Friday April 13th, AD 29. He was resurrected Sunday April 15th, AD 29. Matthew appears to have written around the time of the 1st Jerusalem council. I date it to c. 48. As Matthew had all the previous census records and proof of Jesus' lineage from the House of David, he was the most qualified to begin the narrative history of Jesus Christ, being both an eyewitness and intimately familiar with all the surrounding details. It wasn't 40 years later. Matthew wasn't even alive 40 years later.
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Prove it.
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It was the only year within range to have a Friday Day of Preparation as Passover fell on Shabbat. Dionysius Exiguus had made a four year error in the calendar based upon mistaking the co-regent reign of Tiberius (beginning in 10) for his regnal year of 14. So you have to push back the date from AD 33 to AD 29. When you do, everything falls into place as the year of Jubilee was 26-27, John having baptized in 25, and Jesus having a 3 1/2 year ministry.

Using HDate Hebrew Calendar Linux app for Hebrew Year 3789: Day of Preparation Friday April 13th, Shabbat Passover Eve Nisan 14th / April 14th, Passover Morning Sunday April 15th AD 29 Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

April AD29 Nisan 3789
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5 6/ 6 7/ 7
8/ 8 9/ 9 10/10 11/11 12/12 13/13 14/14
15+15 16+16 17~17 18~18 19~19 20~20 21+21
22+22 23/23 24/24 25/25 26/26 27/27 28/28
29/29 30/30
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So you know better than them!? It is simply your opinion.
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They didn’t .

Matthew had a Gospel in Aramaic in 40BC and was preaching the word.

It’s very rare for documents to last that long... it just was never found
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the only "gospel" that Matthew had, was the Torah and the supportive text of gnostic (pre-Messiah) god-worshipers - some, now included as "scripture" in the other books of the Old Testament

When in 382AD, the Roman Empire, decided to create a State Religion to control their multi-cultural slaves - they discarded all but a few "scriptures" (40) that were available from the 700 known writings ... and only kept those that supported their belief in demi-gods who, if you were honest with yourself, are MEN who seek power over others by claiming "favor" with "god"

god's "friends" - including Abraham the incestuous practitioner of blood sacrifice, and Moses the murderer, not to forget Jacob/Israel who was a pedophile - all have one thing in common ... their desire to rule over others - by using god's agenda MURDER FOR GAIN

JESUS was crucified, for pointing out the hypocracy of RELIGION ... to YOU .... and said THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE ... COME- FOLLOW ME and he left the "kingdom of go" and went to a higher dimension, WHILE STILL IN THE BODY

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Christians are in TOTAL DENIAL about the Source of their BS (belief system) because they refuse to accept responsibility for their OWN behavior ...

 Quoting: Shadow Dance


False.

I totally recognize I am a sinner before Almighty Holy God

and there is nothing that I can do to make myself Holy before Him

but to accept and believe what He did for me.

YOU, Shadow Dance, are the one in total denial.

.
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believe what-ever you want about your self, but OUR CREATOR (not to be confused with "god") doesn't make junk that needs to be "fixed" --- he didn't intend for us to be SLAVES - or he would not have given us FREE WILL .... we are perfectly capable of SAVING OUR SELVES

Everything our Creator created is PERFECT ... including Humanity ... but not everyone can appreciate how perfect we are ... how we learn from Experience --- good and bad ... until we choose of our own free will - to do the RIGHT THING, to "do unto others as we would have them do unto us" ... and we perfect ourselves before we gain our FULL potential ... Eternal Life, with Christ-Consciousness

Our Creator doesn't JUDGE us - or punish us - we do that to ourselves, and we learned this behavior from "god"

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Jesus died on Friday April 13th, AD 29. He was resurrected Sunday April 15th, AD 29. Matthew appears to have written around the time of the 1st Jerusalem council. I date it to c. 48. As Matthew had all the previous census records and proof of Jesus' lineage from the House of David, he was the most qualified to begin the narrative history of Jesus Christ, being both an eyewitness and intimately familiar with all the surrounding details. It wasn't 40 years later. Matthew wasn't even alive 40 years later.
 Quoting: Pneumati tou Stomatos


Prove it.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


It was the only year within range to have a Friday Day of Preparation as Passover fell on Shabbat. Dionysius Exiguus had made a four year error in the calendar based upon mistaking the co-regent reign of Tiberius (beginning in 10) for his regnal year of 14. So you have to push back the date from AD 33 to AD 29. When you do, everything falls into place as the year of Jubilee was 26-27, John having baptized in 25, and Jesus having a 3 1/2 year ministry.

Using HDate Hebrew Calendar Linux app for Hebrew Year 3789: Day of Preparation Friday April 13th, Shabbat Passover Eve Nisan 14th / April 14th, Passover Morning Sunday April 15th AD 29 Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

April AD29 Nisan 3789
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5 6/ 6 7/ 7
8/ 8 9/ 9 10/10 11/11 12/12 13/13 14/14
15+15 16+16 17~17 18~18 19~19 20~20 21+21
22+22 23/23 24/24 25/25 26/26 27/27 28/28
29/29 30/30
 Quoting: Pneumati tou Stomatos


So you know better than them!? It is simply your opinion.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


I noticed you're disturbed. It isn't an opinion; it is logical deduction based upon evidence leading to a reasoned conclusion. It's quite simple, really. The difference between I and them is that I'm honest and search for the truth. They don't.

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Prior to Kjetil Eilertsen going off the deep end, he made this and it is worth watching.



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Good video.
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Thank you and I agree. The link I provided is the playlist for the whole thing. Hopefully some others will watch it but I'm not holding my breath.

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How is it that you follow Jesus but yet ignore what Jesus says about Himself?
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I don't ignore what He said about Himself:

John 10:30

"I and the Father are one."


You appear to be the one ignoring this simple verse.
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How is it that you follow Jesus but yet ignore what Jesus says about Himself?
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I don't ignore what He said about Himself:

John 10:30

"I and the Father are one."

You appear to be the one ignoring this simple verse.
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No I'm not ignoring it.

You and other take a few verses and use them to declare that Jesus is either EQUAL to the Father OR the Father Himself.

John 10:30 states that Jesus and the Father are "one in purpose" - doing the same types of works. That and other verses show the true uniqueness of their relationship and level of communication with each other.

Jesus states far too many times that He is NEITHER equal to the Father NOR the Father Himself.

Is Peter actually Satan? By your type of reasoning / logic he is! Check this out.

0. Statement - "Peter, the Apostle, tempted Eve in the Garden."

1. In Genesis 3 the "serpent" tempted Eve.


1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2. Revelation 12 states that the "serpent" is satan / the Devil.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

3. In Matthew 16 Jesus tells Peter to "Get thee behind me satan".

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Summary. So, using those verses and a certain "logic", can it be said that Peter is ACTUALLY Satan?

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Prove it.
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It was the only year within range to have a Friday Day of Preparation as Passover fell on Shabbat. Dionysius Exiguus had made a four year error in the calendar based upon mistaking the co-regent reign of Tiberius (beginning in 10) for his regnal year of 14. So you have to push back the date from AD 33 to AD 29. When you do, everything falls into place as the year of Jubilee was 26-27, John having baptized in 25, and Jesus having a 3 1/2 year ministry.

Using HDate Hebrew Calendar Linux app for Hebrew Year 3789: Day of Preparation Friday April 13th, Shabbat Passover Eve Nisan 14th / April 14th, Passover Morning Sunday April 15th AD 29 Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

April AD29 Nisan 3789
Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
1/ 1 2/ 2 3/ 3 4/ 4 5/ 5 6/ 6 7/ 7
8/ 8 9/ 9 10/10 11/11 12/12 13/13 14/14
15+15 16+16 17~17 18~18 19~19 20~20 21+21
22+22 23/23 24/24 25/25 26/26 27/27 28/28
29/29 30/30
 Quoting: Pneumati tou Stomatos


So you know better than them!? It is simply your opinion.
 Quoting: Warrior Spirit


I noticed you're disturbed. It isn't an opinion; it is logical deduction based upon evidence leading to a reasoned conclusion. It's quite simple, really. The difference between I and them is that I'm honest and search for the truth. They don't.
 Quoting: Pneumati tou Stomatos


I notice you're full of shit and I don't care for your worthless irrelevant unsubstantiated conjecture so piss off fool. You are nothing!
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Christians are in TOTAL DENIAL about the Source of their BS (belief system) because they refuse to accept responsibility for their OWN behavior ...

 Quoting: Shadow Dance


False.

I totally recognize I am a sinner before Almighty Holy God

and there is nothing that I can do to make myself Holy before Him

but to accept and believe what He did for me.

YOU, Shadow Dance, are the one in total denial.

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 Quoting: shoeshy


believe what-ever you want about your self, but OUR CREATOR (not to be confused with "god") doesn't make junk that needs to be "fixed" --- he didn't intend for us to be SLAVES - or he would not have given us FREE WILL .... we are perfectly capable of SAVING OUR SELVES

Everything our Creator created is PERFECT ... including Humanity ... but not everyone can appreciate how perfect we are ... how we learn from Experience --- good and bad ... until we choose of our own free will - to do the RIGHT THING, to "do unto others as we would have them do unto us" ... and we perfect ourselves before we gain our FULL potential ... Eternal Life, with Christ-Consciousness

Our Creator doesn't JUDGE us - or punish us - we do that to ourselves, and we learned this behavior from "god"
 Quoting: Shadow Dance


good summary.
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Re: Why did the gospels take over a century to be written after the death of Jesus!?
How is it that you follow Jesus but yet ignore what Jesus says about Himself?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


I don't ignore what He said about Himself:

John 10:30

"I and the Father are one."


You appear to be the one ignoring this simple verse.
 Quoting: Banjom@n


If that is true, doesn't that make Jesus his own father?
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Re: Why did the gospels take over a century to be written after the death of Jesus!?
They didn’t .

Matthew had a Gospel in Aramaic in 40BC and was preaching the word.

It’s very rare for documents to last that long... it just was never found
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Especially with Rome and the Vatican burning everything written down since the turn of the millenium AD
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Re: Why did the gospels take over a century to be written after the death of Jesus!?
John 10:30

"I and the Father are one."


If that is true, doesn't that make Jesus his own father?
 Quoting: Sasssssssssy



Only in your mind.

You see, we cannot fully understand the triune nature of God, yet the Bible teaches exactly that.
Knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel
-Paul the Apostle of Christ





GLP