God is the same as he was in Moses times....

No it doesn't.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. Matthew 7:21
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

facts are not truth, nor wisdom nor understanding.....fact are the lowest form of informational experience.....

seeing a car is a fact......without understanding how to start it the fact is useless.....seeing it, starting it AND driving it correctly is wisdom.....the TRUTH about the car may be that it is old and useless verses a new car's ability.

don't remember calling you anything.....i apologize if so.....

i twist nothing is scripture ..... it is what i know.....about scripture .....you mention the wisdom of the world.....as i speak to you about the scripture with scripture.....

it doesn't work that way ......there is more to every scripture written......much more....

you do realize it can't possibly be this OR that when it is written, RIGHT.

it is written 'i and my father are one' AND all the scripture you mentioned.

all them MUST be TRUTH....as they are written in the Bible....to disprove one or the other one has to become a Bible denier ....or a denier of God's word. THUS CONFUSION AND ARGUMENT......

don't work.....that way ....that is luciferian light....dark light .

the struggle is to put the pieces back together not to driver deeper the wedge of divide.

The verses ARE all truth.

The point is that when Jesus said "the Father and I are one" it does NOT MEAN that He IS THE FATHER HIMSELF.

It means that they are one in purpose...one in goal...one in HOW to do things.

Jesus said: "i and my father are one" AND 'i go to the father'..... he sits at the 'right hand of the father'

we/US are on a journey .....after rewards...NO!

back to Our Father....Jesus said that was his purpose.

BACK WHERE?

back to THOUGHT.....creative thought.....expanding thought....living thought.

THOUGHT resides on the left hand hemisphere of our brain....

Speech resides on the right hand hemisphere......where Jesus SITS DOWN....

You cant have continual creative expanding SPEECH without first there is THOUGHT.

The Father is THOUGHT....divine revelatory thought.....

The Son is SPEECH.....divine revelatory thought reverberating in existence as LOGOS creating and forming existence...

speech in existence always falls to a lower position as it looses its correctness/accuracy because of the construct of existence itself.....

speech/son is not the Father.....and IS only because of the Father/thought....speech always returns to thought to be honed into a more accurate vessel .....

This is why only the WORD deserves to be saved..... and will be saved and is able to save. In this ALL ARE SAVED. NOT ALL FILTH....ALL WORD WORTH OF CONFORMING TO THE PREDESTINATION OF THE WORD......that became/becomes flesh and walks with men....

The SPIRIT of THE FATHER....fashioned in the SON is TRUTH....

The SPIRIT is our MOTHER always the NEW JERUSALEM from above....BUT SHE fell into existence to her lowest form as KNOWLEDGE.... laying with all men....

We/US struggles to raise her up.... up through understanding the greatest of all to be sought....why?

understanding gives knowledge the burst of power she requires to become once more WISDOM.....these 3, the blood of knowledge, the gain of understanding and the beauty of wisdom...together 'FORM' TRUTH.....

as it is written: I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

this changes existence.....the desire of The WORD that was in the beginning......

If that is their justification then how can they explain this?

Joh 17:21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

okay.....BUT .....it is a parable for the purpose of teaching and our growth.....

Exactly!

They don't make the connection.

I sometimes wonder if the "Jesus IS the Father Himself" group is a deception by Satan to "disavow" / discredit the Father...God Himself...Yahuah Jehovah.



John 17

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Those verses give greater understanding of what Jesus said previously in John....

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

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They miss this verse also.

Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

God will also grant us his mind/will and guide us as was told in the Old Testament.

Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

This is what Paul called the law of the Spirit. Not that the law no longer applies but that God will instruct us in all manner of the law.

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you must realize that when you say "group" that the believers that "Jesus is God" is the majority... and then you mis describe the reality of it... its like this

God is God
Jesus is God
The Holy Ghost/spirit is God

No one is your mis_described group denies the Father or the Son or the Holy Ghost as being God himself.

Because you limit your understanding to the created function of procreation through seed, or DNA, you put the same limitations on God...

Sorry but you're wrong.

That's just the trinitarians.

IF you pay close attention to some folks posts...there IS a group that proclaim that Jesus IS the Father Himself.

They are the "Oneness" folks.

[link to www.amatteroftruth.com]

Check this search

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They also like to say that "God Himself" came to earth.

He didn't. He SENT His SON.

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Thats because like you... rather than taken what God actually said in ALL its context, you attempt to clarify what he really meant to say... in other words the things that NO MAN can know about the nature and being of God, you claim to know...

Scripture tells us what we need to know.

1. Jesus NEVER proclaims to be the Father.

2. Jesus NEVER tells anyone to pray to Himself NOR the Holy Spirit.

3. Neither Jesus Nor the Holy Spirit are equal to God Himself. Jesus CLEARLY states there is ONE God...the Father, AND declares God as HIS God AND Father.

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

"no man can know" is simply an argument folks use when they run out of scripture to back up what they are promoting.

Right

We disagree :)

Why is there a need to make a good man into a God?

instead of religious disagreement over scripture the TRUTH seekers should work to see the unity in all scriptures.

it is written:


Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,

this what i explained above repeated here:

Jesus said: "i and my father are one" AND 'i go to the father'..... he sits at the 'right hand of the father'

we/US are on a journey .....after rewards...NO!

back to Our Father....Jesus said that was his purpose.

BACK WHERE?

back to THOUGHT.....creative thought.....expanding thought....living thought.

THOUGHT resides on the left hand hemisphere of our brain....

Speech resides on the right hand hemisphere......where Jesus SITS DOWN....

You cant have continual creative expanding SPEECH without first there is THOUGHT.

The Father is THOUGHT....divine revelatory thought.....

The Son is SPEECH.....divine revelatory thought reverberating in existence as LOGOS creating and forming existence...

speech in existence always falls to a lower position as it looses its correctness/accuracy because of the construct of existence itself.....

speech/son is not the Father.....and IS only because of the Father/thought....speech always returns to thought to be honed into a more accurate vessel .....

This is why only the WORD deserves to be saved..... and will be saved and is able to save. In this ALL ARE SAVED. NOT ALL FILTH....ALL WORD WORTH OF CONFORMING TO THE PREDESTINATION OF THE WORD......that became/becomes flesh and walks with men....

The SPIRIT of THE FATHER....fashioned in the SON is TRUTH....

The SPIRIT is our MOTHER always the NEW JERUSALEM from above....BUT SHE fell into existence to her lowest form as KNOWLEDGE.... laying with all men....

We/US struggles to raise her up.... up through understanding the greatest of all to be sought....why?

understanding gives knowledge the burst of power she requires to become once more WISDOM.....these 3, the blood of knowledge, the gain of understanding and the beauty of wisdom...together 'FORM' TRUTH.....

as it is written: I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

this changes existence.....the desire of The WORD that was in the beginning......

Father/thought and Son/speech is the MIND that Jesus had that we are to have. We get that at our appointed hour when JESUS'S MIND .....sits on our right side brain. This turns our BRAIN into the proper MIND.

This all is a/the parabolic teaching in our uni-verse showing how the greater verse works.

think + speak + proper righteous intention = existence with real life

This changes the world as Jesus showed US by doing.

YEP
GOD OF VENGEANCE

he's going to woop all our asses

Peter not telling the truth.

And if he was telling the truth, be sure he would had known the Law of the Sun which is the Law of God concerning Son of Man not to mingled with Son of Ape from this world.

Peter did not understand what Jesus taught to his disciples is the reason he had taught in parables.

From that time, Jesus began to reveal to his disciples that it was necessary for him to go to Jerusalem, and to suffer much from the elders and the scribes and the leaders of the priests, and to be killed, and to rise again on the third day.

And Peter, taking him aside, began to rebuke him, saying, “Lord, may it be far from you; this shall not happen to you.”

And turning away, Jesus said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan; you are an obstacle to me. For you are not behaving according to what is of God, but according to what is of men.”

Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone is willing to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

For whoever would save his life, will lose it. But whoever will have lost his life for my sake, shall find it.

For how does it benefit a man, if he gains the whole world, yet truly suffers damage to his soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?.

For the Son of man will arrive in the glory of his Father, with his Angels. And then he will repay each one according to his behaviour.

Amen, there are some here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” - Matthew 16:21-28 Vulgate Bible

Francis is Peter the last pope, now get behind me again Satan.

You are the one that negates His perfect and holy law. You wickedly lower it's perfection to a standard you think you can keep. Your sinful attempts to keep it are a mockery to Him. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

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20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5

The problem with what i just wrote about thought + speech + proper righteous intention is this......

most Christians are not capable of comprehending this as it appears to put MAN"S LOGIC above our Father.

It does not .....

it is impossible for logic and logically juggling Bible scriptures to be the unified MIND that Jesus had....that we MUST also have.

So something is wrong with most Christians......what is this problem that will cause each one of US to cry LORD, LORD and still not be known.

You can not know a child that has not been born. The child is known as being in the womb but not known as one actually born.

ALL Christians are 'seeded from above' ....placed into the womb of the church....these exist by their soulish nature built upon their 5 senses, logic.

the parable of this is....'Abraham's bosom' and that the church is the bride/wife and Jesus and John leaping for joy in their mother's WOMB......Mother container womb for those who will one day live.

the christians see everything upside down and backwards even more prior to their birthing.....think fetUS position.

We as Christians in TRUTH know of the great experience that we were mistakenly told was our birthing, this seeding experience changed us from being in the world.

i can tell you the true birthing is a far greater experience than our seeding from above.....think of the natural parabolic event as preparing the mind by example.

The word you seek is called Christ conscious.

They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. - Romans 1:25

God may be the same, but man is different. As things change and progress only an idiot would respond and react to things exactly the same. Do you not think God understands this?

Nonsense.

Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Romans 8

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by]/u] Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

i was asked for a specific scripture that Moses 'formed' a body he brought out of Egypt.

Exo 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.

a body of about 600,000 able bodied men......

a number of 600 + (000)


The Jews count 613 commandments...

248 positive for bodily organs and 365 negative for bodily sinews.....613 about 600 +(000)

Actually, I see that you have had many comments and now I will add to that list!

The God of Moses, aka the God of Abraham, aka the Hebrew God, was by BIBLICAL definition, a Sumerian God because Abraham was Sumerian! Therefore, this same God was a flesh and blood Annunaki wanna be a god!

Sorry, I don't wish to offend you or your worship of the god you adore but in my eyes, this being is little more than a warlord - lording it over we - the human race!

As I said, THIS being, unless what has been written about him in the scriptures is wrong, I have no love nor respect for, but this is my problem an not yours!

Now don't bother damning me to hell because you'll have to stand in line and the line is VERY long!

So with that said, I pray for your peace, prosperity, and blessings for the New Year!

Creature = demiurge.

And... where is the argument that it is not Christ conscious?..

.. even Archangels and Angels are also Christ conscious.

Now try Christ sub and super conscious.

Did you get it?, try thought, word and action.

Consider these scriptural facts

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People in the Bible who say the Holy Spirit IS God Himself.

None.
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People in the Bible who say Jesus is "my God".

Thomas
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People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.
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Here is a list of the people who claim that Jesus is the Son of God. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7,Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Matthew 26:63, Luke 22:70, John 5:25, 10:36, 19:7

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28

The Centurion says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39

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Humans are creatures yet we are not "demiurges".

Father God is not a demiurge.



"Christ concious" is not what it should be called.

The Holy Spirit is sent BY THE FATHER to Believers who accept His Son Jesus.

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.