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The $20 million Build the Wall GoFundMe campaign is getting REFUNDED.

 
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THE TRUMP WALL IS RETARDED
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With an Avatar named Bill Gates, who's really retarded??
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THE TRUMP WALL IS RETARDED
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With an Avatar named Bill Gates, who's really retarded??
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The Trump Wall is
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THE TRUMP WALL IS RETARDED
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Not as congenitally as who its trying to keep out?
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Read carefully. This time there is no claim that any of the money will actually go for wall construction - only to his new non-profit.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


no read the article again he says the funds will be spent building a wall.
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All the money money will be funneled into a 501(c)(4) corporation, which is defined as a "social welfare organization" - a charity. That means that money will be spent on overhead, expenses and salaries.

Be careful.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


But it will only be the same costs (less) than it would be anyway? The job will cost the same and the money is now on PUBLIC DISCLOSURE BOOKS that donors can view by appt?
Its gotten more money
Been formalized as a corporate project
Who's numbers are on public books
So people can see what contractors wanted what to do it and how true blue they are

Maybe a nonprofit that is small enough to hide it or "exempt" like red cross....but this one is too big and too public to do much cheating?

Communists use nonprofits, that is true

But nonprofits are how we have libraries, care centers, museums....they're a pillar of public life quality. Especially for the not so swift who really need them. Humans are a dumb wild animal. They have to be developed or just be kind of a dud. In this country its what ya pick.
 Quoting: Timur2020


A lot of people get some very nice salaries and expense accounts with 501(c)(4) charity corporations.
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Grrrrr - Very misleading headline on this thread!

From the op link:
unless they choose to donate their contribution to the campaign creator's new venture, GoFundMe said in an email to the campaign's participants.

Having read the creator's "New Venture", it sounds like a very well thought out plan and endeavor, which could conceivably cost a lot less. (as like all projects government run vs. privately constructed. )

Has anyone examined the list of advisors? From a cursory glance, they appear to be people of integrity and substance.

I already agreed to the new usage and waived the automatic refund, myself. This is happening exactly as it was initially promised when the campaign started - automatic refund if not accepted by the government, unless we chose to participate in an alternative plan.

(beware the massive shilling of this whole thread, MSM, and misleading headline!)
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THE TRUMP WALL IS RETARDED
 Quoting: Bill Gates


With an Avatar named Bill Gates, who's really retarded??
 Quoting: PiccoloGal


The Trump Wall is
 Quoting: Bill Gates


Be thankful we don't make the wall out of liberals.
I lost my apathy.
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Grrrrr - Very misleading headline on this thread!

From the op link:
unless they choose to donate their contribution to the campaign creator's new venture, GoFundMe said in an email to the campaign's participants.

Having read the creator's "New Venture", it sounds like a very well thought out plan and endeavor, which could conceivably cost a lot less. (as like all projects government run vs. privately constructed. )

Has anyone examined the list of advisors? From a cursory glance, they appear to be people of integrity and substance.

I already agreed to the new usage and waived the automatic refund, myself. This is happening exactly as it was initially promised when the campaign started - automatic refund if not accepted by the government, unless we chose to participate in an alternative plan.

(beware the massive shilling of this whole thread, MSM, and misleading headline!)
 Quoting: Ladedah


Unbelievable the extent of MSM shillery going on with this!
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I said in the beginning that the campaign was a scam. I looked into it and seen that him and his "wife" had pulled off other scams. No one wanted to listen "they were all like wall wall wall, trump trump trump, USA USA USA!".
Had it been anything else you all would have investigated it to the point of calling him a fake alien or whatever. But because he's a Trump supporter he gets a pass.

Trump has an opportunity here to do whatever he wants. He could ban guns, and you would all be like "yeahhhh! If Trump says it than it must be a good idea! USA! USA!".
Y'all screwed.
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Just saw on Twitter...

EDIT:

GoFundMe border wall campaign to refund all donors after falling short of $1 billion goal

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they know that $20 million dollars is pretty much chump change, these days.
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Looks like the libs own the fund site too.
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They did not break any rules.

NoFundMe simply said they fell short of their goal and canceled it.

But they did not fall short of their goal, because they did not set a deadline.

Pure F***ERY.
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I said in the beginning that the campaign was a scam. I looked into it and seen that him and his "wife" had pulled off other scams. No one wanted to listen "they were all like wall wall wall, trump trump trump, USA USA USA!".
Had it been anything else you all would have investigated it to the point of calling him a fake alien or whatever. But because he's a Trump supporter he gets a pass.

Trump has an opportunity here to do whatever he wants. He could ban guns, and you would all be like "yeahhhh! If Trump says it than it must be a good idea! USA! USA!".
Y'all screwed.
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PROVE IT. DOUBT IT.
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I said in the beginning that the campaign was a scam. I looked into it and seen that him and his "wife" had pulled off other scams. No one wanted to listen "they were all like wall wall wall, trump trump trump, USA USA USA!".
Had it been anything else you all would have investigated it to the point of calling him a fake alien or whatever. But because he's a Trump supporter he gets a pass.

Trump has an opportunity here to do whatever he wants. He could ban guns, and you would all be like "yeahhhh! If Trump says it than it must be a good idea! USA! USA!".
Y'all screwed.
 Quoting: Fishticon


PROVE IT. DOUBT IT.
 Quoting: crustalfailure


This entire site is proof, tard.
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They did not break any rules.

NoFundMe simply said they fell short of their goal and canceled it.

But they did not fall short of their goal, because they did not set a deadline.

Pure F***ERY.
 Quoting: crustalfailure


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I don't really need the $20 back but OK.
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Fake news - they fail to mention his new non-profit.

Basically, he will refund your money and you can donate it to him directly - giving GoFundMe the middle finger.

Do you realize how much $ in interest GFM has earned off of this campaign?
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“When the campaign was created, the campaign organizer specifically stated on the campaign page, ‘If we don’t reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny,’ ” GoFundMe spokesperson Bobby Whithorne told The Hill on Friday. “He also stated on the campaign page, ‘100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall. If for ANY reason we don't reach our goal we will refund your donation.’ ”

“However, that did not happen. This means all donors will receive a refund,” Whithorne continued. “If a donor does not want a refund, and they want their donation to go to the new organization, they must proactively elect to redirect their donation to that organization. If they do not take that step, they will automatically receive a full refund.”

Whithorne confirmed that Kolfage in 2015 launched a GoFundMe that raised $16,246 under the premise that the money would go to a veteran mentorship program. Whitorne said the money went directly to Kolfage

Kolfage claimed in now-deleted Facebook posts that he was working with Walter Reed, Brooke Army Medical Center and Landstuhl Regional Medical Center to turn over the donated money.

“We do not have a record of Mr. Kolfage visiting Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in any official capacity after 2012,” Gia Oney, chief of public affairs at Landstuhl, told the online outlet. “We have no record of a donation made in his name to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.”

Lindsay Lowery, an employee at one of Kolfage's largest conservative news websites in 2017, told the outlet that her former boss appeared to be aiming to boost his public persona.

“After I started challenging some of his business decisions that I felt were reckless for the company and for my career, the real Brian emerged,” Lowery said. “Everything is only about his ‘war hero’ persona and money. If there’s a perceived slight on his part, he viciously attacks people ... and, in my case, tries to destroy their life and livelihood.”

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“When the campaign was created, the campaign organizer specifically stated on the campaign page, ‘If we don’t reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny,’ ” GoFundMe spokesperson Bobby Whithorne told The Hill on Friday. “He also stated on the campaign page, ‘100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall. If for ANY reason we don't reach our goal we will refund your donation.’ ”

“However, that did not happen. This means all donors will receive a refund,” Whithorne continued. “If a donor does not want a refund, and they want their donation to go to the new organization, they must proactively elect to redirect their donation to that organization. If they do not take that step, they will automatically receive a full refund.”

Whithorne confirmed that Kolfage in 2015 launched a GoFundMe that raised $16,246 under the premise that the money would go to a veteran mentorship program. Whitorne said the money went directly to Kolfage

Kolfage claimed in now-deleted Facebook posts that he was working with Walter Reed, Brooke Army Medical Center and Landstuhl Regional Medical Center to turn over the donated money.

“We do not have a record of Mr. Kolfage visiting Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in any official capacity after 2012,” Gia Oney, chief of public affairs at Landstuhl, told the online outlet. “We have no record of a donation made in his name to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.”

Lindsay Lowery, an employee at one of Kolfage's largest conservative news websites in 2017, told the outlet that her former boss appeared to be aiming to boost his public persona.

“After I started challenging some of his business decisions that I felt were reckless for the company and for my career, the real Brian emerged,” Lowery said. “Everything is only about his ‘war hero’ persona and money. If there’s a perceived slight on his part, he viciously attacks people ... and, in my case, tries to destroy their life and livelihood.”

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Yeah, I pointed this out as well. The dude is a dirtbag. But, you are talking to deaf ears. Some of these dudes will ultimately give this dude even more of their money in the end.
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Some are saying this guy has done other fundraisers and not spent the money in an intended way..........
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“When the campaign was created, the campaign organizer specifically stated on the campaign page, ‘If we don’t reach our goal or come significantly close we will refund every single penny,’ ” GoFundMe spokesperson Bobby Whithorne told The Hill on Friday. “He also stated on the campaign page, ‘100% of your donations will go to the Trump Wall. If for ANY reason we don't reach our goal we will refund your donation.’ ”

“However, that did not happen. This means all donors will receive a refund,” Whithorne continued. “If a donor does not want a refund, and they want their donation to go to the new organization, they must proactively elect to redirect their donation to that organization. If they do not take that step, they will automatically receive a full refund.”

Whithorne confirmed that Kolfage in 2015 launched a GoFundMe that raised $16,246 under the premise that the money would go to a veteran mentorship program. Whitorne said the money went directly to Kolfage

Kolfage claimed in now-deleted Facebook posts that he was working with Walter Reed, Brooke Army Medical Center and Landstuhl Regional Medical Center to turn over the donated money.

“We do not have a record of Mr. Kolfage visiting Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in any official capacity after 2012,” Gia Oney, chief of public affairs at Landstuhl, told the online outlet. “We have no record of a donation made in his name to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center.”

Lindsay Lowery, an employee at one of Kolfage's largest conservative news websites in 2017, told the outlet that her former boss appeared to be aiming to boost his public persona.

“After I started challenging some of his business decisions that I felt were reckless for the company and for my career, the real Brian emerged,” Lowery said. “Everything is only about his ‘war hero’ persona and money. If there’s a perceived slight on his part, he viciously attacks people ... and, in my case, tries to destroy their life and livelihood.”

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 Quoting: Uncle Cleatus


Yeah, I pointed this out as well. The dude is a dirtbag. But, you are talking to deaf ears. Some of these dudes will ultimately give this dude even more of their money in the end.
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We're still getting the wall without you! I hope that pisses you off to no end!
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Impressive list on the wall commitee
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I bet they're not volunteering their time though. How much of the money will end up in their pockets?
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"The earnings of a section 501(c)(4) organization may not inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual."

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So it's all Volunteer
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Contributions to civic leagues or other section 501(c)(4) organizations generally are not deductible as charitable contributions for federal income tax purposes. They may be deductible as trade or business expenses, if ordinary and necessary in the conduct of the taxpayer's business.Apr 2, 2018 [link to www.google.com (secure)]

Can a Nonprofit Pay Its Staff?
Yes. State law (which governs the nonprofit incorporation) and the IRS (which regulates the tax-exempt status) allow a nonprofit to pay reasonable salaries to officers, employees, or agents for services rendered to further the nonprofit corporation's tax-exempt purposes.
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THE TRUMP WALL IS RETARDED
 Quoting: Bill Gates


Not as congenitally as who its trying to keep out?
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no read the article again he says the funds will be spent building a wall.
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All the money money will be funneled into a 501(c)(4) corporation, which is defined as a "social welfare organization" - a charity. That means that money will be spent on overhead, expenses and salaries.

Be careful.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


But it will only be the same costs (less) than it would be anyway? The job will cost the same and the money is now on PUBLIC DISCLOSURE BOOKS that donors can view by appt?
Its gotten more money
Been formalized as a corporate project
Who's numbers are on public books
So people can see what contractors wanted what to do it and how true blue they are

Maybe a nonprofit that is small enough to hide it or "exempt" like red cross....but this one is too big and too public to do much cheating?

Communists use nonprofits, that is true

But nonprofits are how we have libraries, care centers, museums....they're a pillar of public life quality. Especially for the not so swift who really need them. Humans are a dumb wild animal. They have to be developed or just be kind of a dud. In this country its what ya pick.
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A lot of people get some very nice salaries and expense accounts with 501(c)(4) charity corporations.
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You are just trolling. Its been explained repeatedly. If he fks it up? He was not supposed to and people are watching.

The negative troll and shill posts are whats best on this thread - we KNOW we burnt monkey tonight!
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Impressive list on the wall commitee
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I cant confirm this, so take it as that. But there are some rumors that a Major Player has made a 1 billion dollar donation to the new 501 already.

Keep in mind a 501 donations are Tax deductible, so it may be true. Ill look to see if I can find more.
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And it's that tax deductible donation thing that probably held the GOFUNDME from getting the big donations.
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Impressive list on the wall commitee
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I cant confirm this, so take it as that. But there are some rumors that a Major Player has made a 1 billion dollar donation to the new 501 already.

Keep in mind a 501 donations are Tax deductible, so it may be true. Ill look to see if I can find more.
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And it's that tax deductible donation thing that probably held the GOFUNDME from getting the big donations.
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or the lack of suckers?
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THE TRUMP WALL IS RETARDED
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Not as congenitally as who its trying to keep out?
This is your coconut head:
explosion

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All the money money will be funneled into a 501(c)(4) corporation, which is defined as a "social welfare organization" - a charity. That means that money will be spent on overhead, expenses and salaries.

Be careful.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


But it will only be the same costs (less) than it would be anyway? The job will cost the same and the money is now on PUBLIC DISCLOSURE BOOKS that donors can view by appt?
Its gotten more money
Been formalized as a corporate project
Who's numbers are on public books
So people can see what contractors wanted what to do it and how true blue they are

Maybe a nonprofit that is small enough to hide it or "exempt" like red cross....but this one is too big and too public to do much cheating?

Communists use nonprofits, that is true

But nonprofits are how we have libraries, care centers, museums....they're a pillar of public life quality. Especially for the not so swift who really need them. Humans are a dumb wild animal. They have to be developed or just be kind of a dud. In this country its what ya pick.
 Quoting: Timur2020


A lot of people get some very nice salaries and expense accounts with 501(c)(4) charity corporations.
 Quoting: Sardonicus Landshark


You are just trolling. Its been explained repeatedly. If he fks it up? He was not supposed to and people are watching.

The negative troll and shill posts are whats best on this thread - we KNOW we burnt monkey tonight!
 Quoting: Timur2020


is it not true that a lot of people get some very nice salaries and expense accounts with 501(c)(4) charity corporations?

plus the "charity's" income is all exempt from corporate tax.
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Hmmm. I'm on the fence now (pun intended) whether I should ask for my money back or not. I hate it when I contribute to something and then there's a substantial pivot in plans.

The real question is, why hasn't anyone started a gofundme campaign going for abolishing the IRS? Or, at the very least, completely redoing our tax system so that it's fair and no longer unrelenting.
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The Wall Campaign is still there at gofundme, and is still actively drawing donations. It is now at $20,230,128.
[link to www.gofundme.com (secure)]

If you check out the above link, you can see exactly what is stated that will happen with the funds collected. You can also read the names of the individuals who are on the advisory board of the new endeavor.

"The following individuals serve on the on the advisory board, and construction, finance, and or audit committees, operations, administration, PR, Media and ongoing fundraising:"
[link to www.gofundme.com (secure)]
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Sounds like a banker conspiracy to make a killing off the transfer fees.
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Does someone hear a butthurt troll?
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Yes. He calls himself:
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Here's another news source about the subject:

War Hero, Triple-Amputee Veteran behind “Fund the Wall” GoFundMe Announces New Organization to Build U.S. Southern Border Wall

Team pledges to build portions of the wall, cut U.S. government costs in half

WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Heartened by the overwhelming support of fellow Americans who have donated over $20 million to the viral GoFundMe campaign “We the People Will Fund the Wall,” war hero and triple-amputee veteran Brian Kolfage announced the launch of a 501(c)4 called “We Build the Wall, Inc.” which will fund the private construction of a wall along the United States’ Southern Border.
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“We Build the Wall” has assembled a board of directors led by Kolfage and engaged an impressive team of advisors to provide critical guidance on the project’s legal, engineering, contracting, environmental, accounting, maintenance, and real estate issues and serve on the advisory board and or the construction, finance and or audit committees"
<followed by list and a bit about each member>
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Big difference between the announcement put out by the various sources, huh?
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Hmmm. I'm on the fence now (pun intended) whether I should ask for my money back or not. I hate it when I contribute to something and then there's a substantial pivot in plans.

The real question is, why hasn't anyone started a gofundme campaign going for abolishing the IRS? Or, at the very least, completely redoing our tax system so that it's fair and no longer unrelenting.
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if you decide to pull it, i have a money maker bridge you can use your money to invest in. trust me.
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