THIS COULD BE HUGE! Reduction In Force" (RIF) can be used to reduce the federal bureaucracy.

I read elsewhere that at some point it WILL affect the dead-wood at the top because EVERYONE will have to re-apply for their job.

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It would be a start but they have a loooong ways to go.

Wake up, smell the roses, folks.

If this goes on for 6 months it won't matter one iota because somebody will sue the federal government for all that back pay and a lib judge will agree with the plaintiff.

Even if Trump somehow cuts the federal employees by half, their unions will pitch a fit and their lacky lawyers and judges will not play ball with Trump. I hope Trump has the stones to keep the government doors shut for a long time, yet I feel that eventually he will acquiesce due to the American public just tired of the news media's constant bashing with no opposing side being covered. Now, if Trump can shut down the news media and force them to be fair and balanced, then and only then will the American public stand firmly behind Trump in perpetuity.

Trump's shutdown trap?
By Thomas Lifson
Has President Trump suckered Democrats and the Deep State into a trap that will enable a radical downsizing of the federal bureaucracy? In only five more days of the already "longest government shutdown in history" (25 days and counting, as of today), a heretofore obscure threshold will be reached, enabling permanent layoffs of bureaucrats furloughed 30 days or more.

Don't believe me that federal bureaucrats can be laid off? Well, in bureaucratese, a layoff is called a RIF – a Reduction in Force – and of course, it comes with a slew of civil service protections. But, if the guidelines are followed, bureaucrats can be laid off – as in no more job. It is all explained by Michael Roberts here (updated after the beginning of the partial shutdown):

A reduction in force is a thoughtful and systematic elimination of positions. For all practical purposes, a government RIF is the same thing as a layoff. ...

Organizations must stick to predetermined criteria when sorting out what happens to each employee. They must communicate with employees how and why decisions are made. ...

In deciding who stays and who goes, federal agencies must take four factors into account:

1. Tenure

2. Veteran status

3. Total federal civilian and military service

4. Performance

Agencies cannot use RIF procedures to fire bad employees.

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And don't forget about the Paper Reduction aspect as well - - the pressure will be on to streamline all of the endless paperwork so fewer people can handle the same number of jobs.

There will be no one good left in the govt after this.
The corrupt are in positions of power and will not be losing their jobs. They will be the ones deciding who goes.
It will be the honest workers.
If destroying the country is the goal. Trump is winning. Doing way better job than Obama.

If the dems discover this they will be like ok ok here's your 5 billion with a b, and Potus should be like, veto

Not sure when it changed, but when the Country first started Congress would only meet once a year for a few weeks. They were very careful about the laws which they passed, because they knew that they would be returning home again soon and HAD TO LIVE UNDER THE SAME LAWS THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAD TO!!!!

I wonder how many of these people were rewarded with position for "favors" and how many will be pissed off and become whistle blowers when the easy ride falls through.

I misunderstood. You are 100% correct.

I have been thinking this was a 2 bird with one stone example, that Trump was using.

Good riddance to the bloated bureaucracy.

He knew they wouldn't compromise on the border wall which is a definite security issue.

He also knew why they wouldn't compromise.
The reasons they say aren't the real reasons.

Now they will try to compromise to avoid this scenario. He doesn't have to accept any deal.

They are #FUCKED

I hadn't thought about this but probably a lot of them.

All that got in this way are probably dirty anyway.

This is HISTORIC.

Hopefully the government unions are blowing up Nasty Pelosi's phones telling her to pay the 5 billion before this seriously kicks in.

Ditto...and

God Bless our President Trump!

I wonder if this dovetails with this executive order... [link to www.whitehouse.gov (secure)]

Could be a few Dembiciles looking for work!

yep, yep. this is so interesting. enjoy the 5D show!

We were just talking about this one Friday. I think it one hell of a brilliant move!. Once Crying Chuck and Nancy understand what is going on, I have a feeling they will be back to the White House to cut a deal.

The last time this was discussed was the shutdown in the mid 1990s. At that time, they were worried that 2 to 5% of the lowest seniority would be cut from the entire government / all agencies. This would be a wonderful thing!

NOT QUITE! I'm retired USPS and RIF was used sporadically during my career to reduce the workforce - but it was always offered only to senior employees who were already nearing retirement. And, an RIF may -or may not- include financial "incentives".

Usually, in order to qualify you had to have a minimum of 20 years of service already on the books, and be over the age of 55. I saw incentives offered as much as $15,000 per employee who qualified and left the agency, but normally they would be around $5,000 or so.

The kicker was that many of those people had to wait up to two years for those incentives to fully show up in their bank accounts because they would usually be paid in multiple installments seperated by several months. Still, that was extra money they got on top of their TSP and other retirement bennies such as continued federal healthcare at a reduced rate.

The concept behind RIF's is to liquidate the employees that are already making top-dollars through their tenure to make room for cheaper, new hires.

There is another program designed to do exactly the same thing and that is called "Early Outs" - again, this option would be offered to senior employees who were already near/at/past retirement age. Early outs could also carry those cash incentives but were more rare.

I'm intrigued by this new use of RIF's - and it sounds like a great way to lighten the load - as long as they get rid of the younger employees as well! The trouble with any RIF is that you are getting rid of the people who already know how to their jobs [and usually several others as well] - they know the ropes and how to tie knots in them... whereas they are replaced by a bunch of newbies who frequently are really lousy employees as they foul up even the simplest of tasks due to their lack of experience; they also usually have a much lower productivity due to their self-entitled attitudes. Similarly, those older employees also know how to work the system for all it's worth and won't hesitate to do so. It's a double-edged sword!

Ideally, there would be a widespread RIF that got rid of all non-essential employees, regardless of tenure and fully eliminate those jobs... but that's where the very strong [and Democratically controlled] federal unions will get into the mix and fight it tooth and nail.

If you thought the fights over Obamacare or a Supreme Court nominee was something - you ain't seen nothin' yet!

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On many levels.... truth is, there is no money, only debt. Wait till we hit the debt ceiling. We are in new territory. Trump is salvaging all that he can for the US. I'm impressed.

Geez, they'll simply increase the debt ceiling as they have ALWAYS done.

Nope - that's not the way an RIF works... or at least has in the past.

This ^^^^

If it goes 31 days, all of them have to go through a rehiring process at which time they will have a new 90 probationary period. After that, they will be evaluated and either be cut or fully hired.

From link:

"(i)  A probationary period should be used as the final step in the hiring process of a new employee.  Supervisors should use that period to assess how well an employee can perform the duties of a job.  A probationary period can be a highly effective tool to evaluate a candidate’s potential to be an asset to an agency before the candidate’s appointment becomes final."

As someday it might just may happen
That a patsy must be found
Trump has a little list
Trump a little list
Of bureaucrat offenders
We wish would simply not be found
And surely not be missed
They sure would not be missed

There's EPA inspectors
People of that kind
And Motor vehicle clerks who make you stand in line
Those zoning board officials who are always on the take
And parking ticket Casa Nova's hunting on the make
All the hacks who host the chat shows
And their guests who get us pis't
And TSA men who fumbling through your underwear insist
I don't think they'd be missed
I'd bet they'd not be missed

Let's HOPE this is what happens! It's not only fair to everyone -even the slackers- but it's also legal! Trump is a fucking genius and he deserves all the support we can give him!

Thanks that's well worth reading!