Talmud and the Noahide laws! Deception?

Fuck the talmud and fuck sharia

Fuck Israel and Arabs. Keep them the fuck out of USA

Whats your take OP on how Trump would react to said laws...and his top advisory son in law and Daughter? Thoughts?

"salvation" occurs 119 times in 115 verses in the Old Testament in the KJV.

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Never once does it describe anything remotely close to the christian idea of salvation.

Your right its not remotely close... its exactly the same

^^^^^^^Count em, 2 egotistical kook jobs talking sh*t and knowing they are the only ones "getting it right"....



Sorry there is too a covenant with noah. Heathen

Thats because you are talking out of your ass.

I mean really... Do you expect just saying its the same would make it the same even though you are speaking to someone who knows the OT and the NT while you dont have a clue what the OT actually says?

Can you explain why you are so arrogant?

Salvation via faith and belief is/has always the way. I can post multitudes of examples where this is the case. In the Old and New Testament. But based on past experience you wont read them nor count them... You will only be convinced by God Himself and you will be... with respect.

Romans Chapter 14+

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

All you need to do is show in the OT(!!!) one instance wherein it describes salvation which matches christian understanding of salvation.

So we are on the same page and have the same understanding let me ask. What is your definition of what is the Christian understanding of salvation?

Additionally I can say with complete assurance that not even every Christian seems to agree what that actually means...so what would you say it actually means...for a Christian? because what a Christian says, and what Christ actually said may not be supported by scripture... Just as one might confuse the written Law with the oral tradition and extra Biblical narrative... In either case both are wrong.

In other words..what is it you think the Christian believes?

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Ill be as general as I can.

Salvation to a christian means - Soul being saved (going from bad state to good state) without any effect on one's physical life.

You will never find the term 'Salvation' in the OT used in such a way.

Lets dig deeper...what does "soul being saved" mean though specifically? Since you understand the Christian so well this should be easy yes...just so were talking apples and apples :)

When one dies, his soul goes to heaven.

Again, totally foreign to the OT.

So ok...So well just say the Individual wishes to be in the presence of God...the place (heaven) is irrelevant, what if we called it Gods Kingdom...or Gods house, the idea is that we either desire to be in the presence of God or we dont...correct? Are we in agreement so far?

Agree.
You will never see the word salvation used to mean someone accepted into the presence of G-d.

So what is the one thing that separates us from being in the presence of God?

Not a valid question.

The answer would be more like: The world is fallen from Eden, we must rectify the world - Restore it to the state of Garden of Eden.

Which is exactly what the OT says Messiah would do, which is what christians say jesus would do... But in the second coming ofcourse.

The answer is simple and you deflected...

Now your disingenuous intent is revealed yet again and we no longer have anything left to reason together about . I wish you well however and we shall see how it ends up at a later time...

What you're saying is you need a human blood sacrifice to be on G-d good side?

No you deflected!

You knew all along I was correct in my description of the christian savlation.

So you changed it and OBFUSACTED it!

Lets say the one thing is sin.

So you have jesus, you are cleansed from sin... How is your situation different from mine?
IT IS NOT!!

OT salvation is DIFFERENT form what christians understand salvation to be... And your need to obfuscate proves it!

All you had to do was so one instance wherein the OT speaks of salvation in the christian sense and you FAILED.

I Obfuscated nothing...We have to establish common ground and understandings on the meanings of words...how they are defined , otherwise everything discussed is ambiguous. I asked a simple question and you went on your accusations rant as you frequently do... its not a discussion to you its a gotcha game. I hoped we might establish the point at which we diverge, so that I might show you how salvation and the functions or mechanisms that separate us from God are the same, and the solution is also the same. You have rejected it once you have rejected it every time...

We will leave it to see how it all plays out in the end and agree to disagree

You got REKT

I can see how you believe that, as if being victorious in your own mind makes a victory , then you have your reward :)

I would have loved to continue but you got a sense we were getting close to the target so you deflected, now we will not know till we stand before the Lord...see ya then :)

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Why lie?
You purposefully had to change what christian salvation means and now you are butthurt that even after your twisting it still doesnt fit the OT.

Nothing was changed... your the winner remember.. revel in it :)

Changed or not changed.

All you have to do to show you won is present ONE OT example wherein Salvation is mentioned in the manner of how christianity understands Salvation.

Haha Christian salvation is about belief and faith alone in God...we believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, the reason the Pharasee wanted him killed.

Abraham also was saved because of his belief and faith alone in what God said...years before the law was given...

I can go on an on with Noah, Enoch, .... David... for the Christian it is clear... for the non Christian.. no so much.

I dont have time to argue with a someone who not only cannot see but willfully does not see...

Where is Jesus in your Talmud? Do tell , be honest now

or is that a misunderstanding as well....awee

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israel's backdoors are part of their talmud

At about 4:00 in this 35 minute video (which is as far as I got) the interviewer declines to discuss things in context because "I can't have a 45 minute discussion".

He's asking guys whether stuff is in the Talmud, which is thousands of pages, without even showing where it is, a few lines on either side of the quote.

Where's the part about 2800 goy slaves? I hadn't heard that one before, really.

GLP link is to a page no longer in the database. Where in that almost 2 hour video is the good part you think exposes Judaism for what it really is?