Jesus told the evil doer "You will be with me in paradise". What did he mean, was the man going to heaven as if death is a promotion?

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Where did Jesus really go that day?

Just because a large % of people believe what you do doesn't make it correct.

WHY was Jesus humble? Because He isn't God - the Father - Himself.

He's the Son OF God. Scriptural fact.




Nope. Not a chance.

There's a reason that Jesus is quoted about the end times in...

Matthew 13 & 24
Mark 13
Luke 17 & 21

...and if you read those...you will notice that He doesn't say anything about a "rapture". We, if still alive at that point, WILL see tribulation.



Here is a list of the people who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and then those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7,Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Matthew 26:63, Luke 22:70, John 5:25, 10:36, 19:7

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28

The Centurion says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39
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People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas
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People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.

John 5:24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. 25Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself 27And He has given Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment

Seems the hour in verse 25 came

Mat 27…51At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people


The dead will hear? but how can this be?

43After Jesus had said this, He called out in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44The man who had been dead came out with his hands and feet bound in strips of linen, and his face wrapped in a headcloth. “Unwrap him and let him go,” Jesus told them.…


this man had been in the tomb for 4 days Did he hear the words Jesus called out?

Its funny how you go around in the same circles, add nothing new and yet still verify my points from scripture...

No not literally it was a miracle displaying the power of the resurrection by which everyone will be given a second chance during the 1,000 year reign.

What kind of “evil-doer” was it? A serial killer? Rapist/murderer? Child killer? Or just someone who stole a few things or didn’t pay his taxes?

And how would you feel about that if you were one of the victim(s)’s family or friends?

The question is was his death a promotion to serve as assistant king with Jesus in heaven, that day?

This is the basis of Christian doctrine, forgiveness.
Jesus forgave the thief because he truly repented ...
Yes, this is the teaching, who dies forgiven by Jesus, meets him in paradise ...

" For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin." Ro6:1
"For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man. 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment" Jo5:28

Suppose the evil doer was promoted/rewarded with heavenly life for his sins, what was his assignment upon arrival?

Funny how you claim that Jesus is equal to God when He clearly states that He is NOT equal.

On second thought...it's not funny. It's trinitarian hogwash that's being taught to distance folks from the Father.

Actually...I do have something "new" - verses where Jesus mentions the Father that I had inadvertantly overlooked with previous searches for "the Father" and "my Father".



"your Father" occurs 23 times in 21 verses in the New Testament in the KJV.

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These 15 are relevant to Jesus' declaration of the Father.

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Matthew 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Luke 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Luke 12:30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.

Rewards in Heaven aren't based on our sins per se, but our "enduring temptation".

They are also based on doing the Father's Will, and the fruits that come from such.

Rewards in Heaven - KJV

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JW's may be right on this one. There is no mention of a heaven or hell in the OT (the words are used but it is REALLY reaching to ascribe the connotation we give the words today.) Lazarus, Samuel's ghost/demon pretender (depending on your opinion on the scripture), NO ONE describes heaven or hell. Instead there are constant references of returning to dust/nothingness/etc. The NT isn't as cut & dry but unless they were invented then...

In the bible there are references to paradise on earth, which makes sense as Jesus/Yashua paid for Adam's sin & eventually the paradise on earth God started will finally be realized. So we die & go to nothing, then righteous & unrighteous get resurrected (we probably won't even realize we were nothing for a while), then paradise. Basically same thing as "heaven" just no one is there yet. Eternal damnation seems harsh for all but maybe baby-killing NY Dem's & a handful of others anyways.

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5, 6. How was Paradise lost, leading to what question?

5 God put Adam and Eve in such a paradise, but they did not remain in it. Why? They disqualified themselves by disobeying God. Thus, Paradise was lost for them and their offspring. (Gen. 3:23, 24) Though without human occupants, that garden apparently remained until the Deluge of Noah’s day.

The theory of afterlife, who invented it and why contradict God?

It has probably become part of the Christian religion because of people’s actual experiences since pagan times with spirits of the dead appearing to them, seeing ghosts, hearing voices of loved ones who have passed on, having near death experiences.
The Catholic Church since its development could not ignore all that and had to create a religious explanation for it.
Many Christian denominations have incorporated the heaven and hell view of the afterlife, whereas others used the dead in the grave until Jesus returns and Resurrection.
Interesting that during funerals I have attended, it’s all about the deceased being in Heaven with the Lord inside the church, but outside at the graveside service, it’s all ‘ashes to ashes, dust to dust, the dead will someday arise to live again.’