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Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

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Did they think it would??!

The stupidity of the Left knows no bounds.
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HOW was it supposed to work?
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Did they think it would??!

The stupidity of the Left knows no bounds.
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All the lazy socialists were hoping it would work so they could say "look, it's ok that we live on wellfare to fart around all the day long"

It was dead from the start.
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HOW was it supposed to work?
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It wasn't, it was just another pipe dream dreamed up by lazy people that want to live on the expense of the working man, just another socialist scam.
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this is obvious and expected it but their kids can have a break with the fact that papi and mami at least have an income . This phycological is very good for the kids and keep them in school that is what's really important educated the people raise their IQ.
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Why would you work if you don't have to?

If the intention is not to destroy a country's economy, it sure is an interesting side effect.
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"Finland’s Universal Basic Income Experiment Failed To Put More People Back To Work"

Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

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 Quoting: KOS-MOS


Because they did it wrong.

Honestly .

They didn't give EVERYONE a basic income.

Give EVERYONE a basic income... Including Bill Gates..Warren Buffett. Etc... Then people will have an incentive to earn MORE money while always collecting the basic income.

Of course some will not work anyway.. Some. But most people have passions and dreams and will not nicer things.

Giving motivate people a security net and extra capital that's always there will work.

Plus you solve homelessness and people bitching about inequality. It would be 100% motivation issue.
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Thread: Chicago will start giving one thousand families $1000 a month...

behold the demonrat insanity, is there not a definition of insanity which goes as paraphrase, that if you do it will be different this time
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Thread: Chicago will start giving one thousand families $1000 a month...

behold the demonrat insanity, is there not a definition of insanity which goes as paraphrase, that if you do it will be different this time
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You have to give 100% of the people a basic income or it will fail.
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HOW was it supposed to work?
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It wasn't, it was just another pipe dream dreamed up by lazy people that want to live on the expense of the working man, just another socialist scam.
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They did it wrong. You have to give EVERYBODY even rich and wealthy a basic income or it fails.

It's a safety net and capital for motivated people. Some will not work anyway. Society has that already. Immigration control is ESSENTIAL. People will work to have nicer things and follow their passions. You have to ALWAYS give the basic income no matter how much they earn.
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I get free $$$$ per month. Gee, i think I will go scrub some toilets and do some cleaning up. Oh wait the robots will do it for me. I don't even have to wipe my own bum anymore. Gee, robots sure a nice. And they are sexy too. I think I will marry one and end the human race, we were so boring anyway.
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WTF it's not supposed to put you back to fucking work lmao
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The experiment succeeded and showed that unemployment did not RISE.

Critics say it would make people stop working. It did not. Basic income is the future when robots will make most of the work.

What do you think people will live of if robots does 80-90% of the work? Everything from factories to McDonald's will be self service and robots.


So Finland experiment was a success and did close the big mouth of critics who said it will increase unemployment
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^

That all depends on how you look at it, I agree people

didn't drop out of work, but how many unemployed ended up

with jobs?

How many unemployed used the opportunity to better

themselves, that's where you should look.

I bet none, not one of them.

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"Finland’s Universal Basic Income Experiment Failed To Put More People Back To Work"

Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

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 Quoting: KOS-MOS


Because they did it wrong.

Honestly .

They didn't give EVERYONE a basic income.

Give EVERYONE a basic income... Including Bill Gates..Warren Buffett. Etc... Then people will have an incentive to earn MORE money while always collecting the basic income.

Of course some will not work anyway.. Some. But most people have passions and dreams and will not nicer things.

Giving motivate people a security net and extra capital that's always there will work.

Plus you solve homelessness and people bitching about inequality. It would be 100% motivation issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1719697


Homeless people will spend their allowance on booze and dope and some groups will say they need more because of past injustices such as slavery. Sorry SJW, you are going to have to work your ass off for the next 40 yrs while being discriminated against by the very system that you helped to create. Corn rows, tie dyed shirts and wearing makeup isnt going to help you get anywhere in a work environment that places white guys at the very very bottom; ditto for college.
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"Finland’s Universal Basic Income Experiment Failed To Put More People Back To Work"

Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

[link to hotair.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KOS-MOS


Because they did it wrong.

Honestly .

They didn't give EVERYONE a basic income.

Give EVERYONE a basic income... Including Bill Gates..Warren Buffett. Etc... Then people will have an incentive to earn MORE money while always collecting the basic income.

Of course some will not work anyway.. Some. But most people have passions and dreams and will not nicer things.

Giving motivate people a security net and extra capital that's always there will work.

Plus you solve homelessness and people bitching about inequality. It would be 100% motivation issue.
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10 children participate in an Easter egg hunt. Everyone gets 12, no matter how many they find in the field. When "ready set go" is announced, 6 never leave their seat.
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"Finland’s Universal Basic Income Experiment Failed To Put More People Back To Work"

Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

[link to hotair.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KOS-MOS


Because they did it wrong.

Honestly .

They didn't give EVERYONE a basic income.

Give EVERYONE a basic income... Including Bill Gates..Warren Buffett. Etc... Then people will have an incentive to earn MORE money while always collecting the basic income.

Of course some will not work anyway.. Some. But most people have passions and dreams and will not nicer things.

Giving motivate people a security net and extra capital that's always there will work.

Plus you solve homelessness and people bitching about inequality. It would be 100% motivation issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1719697


No, if that was the case your ghettos would be massive work creating hubs. Same thing over here, all I see where people get money for doing nothing is people start doing crime for extra cash or do nothing at all.

Great example are the brown immigrants to Europe.
They've been given apartments, free money, free education, free everything (at the expense of the Europeans) and all they do is either nothing or they do crime. Horrible people they are.
Free hand outs increases procrastination.

Same thing you can see in Africa where you pour in millions to help them, instead it makes them passive, they do not work.

The ideas have been tried already and they're utter failures.

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It’s a shame people don’t put value into mental health... sad really

‘The recipients of a basic income had less stress symptoms as well as less difficulties to concentrate and less health problems than the control group. They were also more confident in their future and in their ability to influence societal issues’, says Minna Ylikännö, Lead Researcher at Kela.

The recipients of a basic income were also more confident in their possibilities of finding employment. In addition, they felt that there is less bureaucracy involved when claiming social security benefits and they were more often than the control group of the opinion that a basic income makes it easier to accept a job offer or set up a business.

‘The results of the register analysis and the survey are not contradictory. The basic income may have a positive effect on the wellbeing of the recipient even though it does not in the short term improve the person’s employment prospects’, says Ylikännö
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The experiment succeeded and showed that unemployment did not RISE.

Critics say it would make people stop working. It did not. Basic income is the future when robots will make most of the work.

What do you think people will live of if robots does 80-90% of the work? Everything from factories to McDonald's will be self service and robots.


So Finland experiment was a success and did close the big mouth of critics who said it will increase unemployment
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If you were employed and understood you were getting a TEMPORARY infusion of cash, would you quit your job? I wouldn’t.

Likewise if you were broke and unemployed already.

All this experiment showed is that people will take temporary free money from some idealist marxist moron and keep trucking on as is until it stopped.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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It’s a shame people don’t put value into mental health... sad really

‘The recipients of a basic income had less stress symptoms as well as less difficulties to concentrate and less health problems than the control group. They were also more confident in their future and in their ability to influence societal issues’, says Minna Ylikännö, Lead Researcher at Kela.

The recipients of a basic income were also more confident in their possibilities of finding employment. In addition, they felt that there is less bureaucracy involved when claiming social security benefits and they were more often than the control group of the opinion that a basic income makes it easier to accept a job offer or set up a business.

‘The results of the register analysis and the survey are not contradictory. The basic income may have a positive effect on the wellbeing of the recipient even though it does not in the short term improve the person’s employment prospects’, says Ylikännö
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What a heaping load of shit.

Feel, felt, confident, blah blah blah.

If they didnt do anything with it, then it didn’t happen. I could care less that they “felt” confident. They didn’t do it. Comfort doesn’t motivate entrepreneurship, the desperate need for money does.
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this is obvious and expected it but their kids can have a break with the fact that papi and mami at least have an income . This phycological is very good for the kids and keep them in school that is what's really important educated the people raise their IQ.
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IQ has nothing to do with it. Many socialist are highly educated. Look at the socialist ignorance of today’s Universities.

It is wisdom and love that they lack.
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I thought it was to make the unemployed less depressed by having some money so they could go out more often an that keeps some businesses operating that would close down due to lack of customers. The money is not meant to 'be saved' for a 'rainy day', it is already that kind of a day, . . . globably.
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this is obvious and expected it but their kids can have a break with the fact that papi and mami at least have an income . This phycological is very good for the kids and keep them in school that is what's really important educated the people raise their IQ.
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IQ has nothing to do with it. Many socialist are highly educated. Look at the socialist ignorance of today’s Universities.

It is wisdom and love that they lack.
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Having a big student loan to pay off and no job will do that to a person.
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"Finland’s Universal Basic Income Experiment Failed To Put More People Back To Work"

Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

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 Quoting: KOS-MOS


People don't wnat to WORK! They want a cushy career job where they feel they are part of something or they have purpose... You cannot find a purpose in packing dried noodles into boxes by the millions to meet targets in a warehouse!
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A member of Don's club at Mara Lago introducing herself: "I live in Palm Beach,....and I don't work."
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Finland’s Social Insurance Institution just released results from a two-year experiment with Universal Basic Income.

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The only thing that will put a lot to work is complete risk of starvation or the bayonet.
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Did they think it would??!

The stupidity of the Left knows no bounds.
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All the lazy socialists were hoping it would work so they could say "look, it's ok that we live on wellfare to fart around all the day long"

It was dead from the start.
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They didn't even think it through that far. They just wanted free shit.
I lost my apathy.
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HOW was it supposed to work?
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It wasn't, it was just another pipe dream dreamed up by lazy people that want to live on the expense of the working man, just another socialist scam.
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The real question exactly which segment of their ruling class keeps pushing this shit?





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