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Dr. Deplorable Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator  02/15/2019 10:45 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time you refresh this page an AI program generates a random portrait of someone who does not actually exist. It was trained on thousands of photos from Flickr by a team at NVIDIA and it learned how to mix and match various facial features to create nearly seamless photorealistic faces: [link to thispersondoesnotexist.com (secure)] Here's their paper describing the software: [link to arxiv.org (secure)] Just think, by uploading your portrait online to Flickr, you may have unwittingly contributed to the training of this AI and others that follow on from it. On the bright side, if you want to make a hoax conspiracy claim you can now grab a high resolution photo-realistic fake face to use as a portrait of the "source" of the story. Anyone who tries to look you up will be frustrated to no end as they go on a wild goose chase for a face and a photo that does not really exist. I expect full motion video will be next. We're entering a brave new world, folks.  |
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| The Gullible Skeptic
User ID: 77300925 United States02/15/2019 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah I have been seeing this development for a while. Very soon it will be indistinguishable from reality. Voice software is also keeping pace. Total fabrication. But a positive is that if everything is fabricated then everything can be questioned. INTP/8w9 Ennegram "You can't teach anyone anything but they can choose to learn" -Me- "To exist is to destroy"-Me- "Specialization is for insects" -Robert Heinlein- Nine Noble Virtues: ODINISM: Truth,Courage,Honor,Fidelity,Discipline,Hospitality,Self Reliance, Industriousness, Perseverance |
| 2012Portal
2012Portal - Mayan Beyond 2012 User ID: 15022013  Netherlands02/15/2019 10:52 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One word for you, Photoshop Been around for a while. Just because AI is catching up to what a graphic designer can do, is not all that alarming. Or am I missing something? From the love of power to the power of Love - My camera and video gear: [link to graphicstart.com] --- --- --- "Jesus Christ, the Son of God our Savior" |
| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One word for you, Quoting: 2012Portal Photoshop Been around for a while. Just because AI is catching up to what a graphic designer can do, is not all that alarming. Or am I missing something? Personally I can't photoshop faces that look this good. This makes photorealistic fake face generation trivially easy. And it's just the beginning, once those faces can move and talk it becomes even more powerful. It can also crank these out orders of magnitude faster than any graphics designer could ever hope to do. |
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| Boaty
User ID: 75138722 United States02/15/2019 10:59 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Makes A LOT of sense is pretty cool. I don't really exist either. None of us really do lolol Quoting: Andybanks We are the evolved version of that software.  ```````````````` ````__/\__`````` ~~~\____/~~~~ .~~..~~~....~~~ ~..~~~....~~~~ Thoughts do not come from you nor God; you do not create thoughts; you are not your thoughts; every thought is a lie. - 2 Corinthians 10:5 - [link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)] |
| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah I have been seeing this development for a while. Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic Very soon it will be indistinguishable from reality. Voice software is also keeping pace. Total fabrication. But a positive is that if everything is fabricated then everything can be questioned. I don't see inherent distrust of all forms of media as a good thing. Especially once it reaches the point that the average person can do this by themselves from their basement without much effort. At least right now, if a fake this good was made in full motion video you could reasonably assume that it took a very skilled team to pull it off. "Deep fakes" are still easy to spot from amateurs. That may change soon, and I don't think that's a good thing. |
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| Ferly
User ID: 76995802  Canada02/15/2019 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time you refresh this page an AI program generates a random portrait of someone who does not actually exist. It was trained on thousands of photos from Flickr by a team at NVIDIA and it learned how to mix and match various facial features to create nearly seamless photorealistic faces: Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut [link to thispersondoesnotexist.com (secure)] Here's their paper describing the software: [link to arxiv.org (secure)] Just think, by uploading your portrait online to Flickr, you may have unwittingly contributed to the training of this AI and others that follow on from it. On the bright side, if you want to make a hoax conspiracy claim you can now grab a high resolution photo-realistic fake face to use as a portrait of the "source" of the story. Anyone who tries to look you up will be frustrated to no end as they go on a wild goose chase for a face and a photo that does not really exist. I expect full motion video will be next. We're entering a brave new world, folks. Wow! It can create animals too! That's crazy!  |
| Trolland Dump
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669221  France02/15/2019 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One word for you, Quoting: 2012Portal Photoshop Been around for a while. Just because AI is catching up to what a graphic designer can do, is not all that alarming. Or am I missing something? Personally I can't photoshop faces that look this good. This makes photorealistic fake face generation trivially easy. And it's just the beginning, once those faces can move and talk it becomes even more powerful. It can also crank these out orders of magnitude faster than any graphics designer could ever hope to do. I can spot they are a mesh of pictures. they all display defects. |
| Novalumbrado
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| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually this is old news. This kind of rendering exists already for a while now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77377004 "6 Feb 2019" [link to arxiv.org (secure)] Just because others have done similar things doesn't mean this isn't a new step in that development. They also made the source code available on github just 10 days ago as well: [link to github.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65704234 United States02/15/2019 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time you refresh this page an AI program generates a random portrait of someone who does not actually exist. It was trained on thousands of photos from Flickr by a team at NVIDIA and it learned how to mix and match various facial features to create nearly seamless photorealistic faces: Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut [link to thispersondoesnotexist.com (secure)] Here's their paper describing the software: [link to arxiv.org (secure)] Just think, by uploading your portrait online to Flickr, you may have unwittingly contributed to the training of this AI and others that follow on from it. On the bright side, if you want to make a hoax conspiracy claim you can now grab a high resolution photo-realistic fake face to use as a portrait of the "source" of the story. Anyone who tries to look you up will be frustrated to no end as they go on a wild goose chase for a face and a photo that does not really exist. I expect full motion video will be next. We're entering a brave new world, folks. I agree on the video aspect. I think that in the not so far future the hollyweird actors will all be out of a job. If CGI can just make up pretty CGI people and pay them nothing it will be a great profit to the movie production companies. Those movies will still suck though. |
| CUB4DK
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669221 France02/15/2019 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One word for you, Quoting: 2012Portal Photoshop Been around for a while. Just because AI is catching up to what a graphic designer can do, is not all that alarming. Or am I missing something? Personally I can't photoshop faces that look this good. This makes photorealistic fake face generation trivially easy. And it's just the beginning, once those faces can move and talk it becomes even more powerful. It can also crank these out orders of magnitude faster than any graphics designer could ever hope to do. I can spot they are a mesh of pictures. they all display defects. notice that in order to look realistic they use a canavas face with quite a lot of detail and then past eyes, eyebrows, nose and mouth on them. Clearly detail do not match. |
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| DPS7
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| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One word for you, Quoting: 2012Portal Photoshop Been around for a while. Just because AI is catching up to what a graphic designer can do, is not all that alarming. Or am I missing something? Personally I can't photoshop faces that look this good. This makes photorealistic fake face generation trivially easy. And it's just the beginning, once those faces can move and talk it becomes even more powerful. It can also crank these out orders of magnitude faster than any graphics designer could ever hope to do. I can spot they are a mesh of pictures. they all display defects. notice that in order to look realistic they use a canavas face with quite a lot of detail and then past eyes, eyebrows, nose and mouth on them. Clearly detail do not match. It's not a simple copy paste operation. You can actually see video of the code morphing into various faces. It's freaky. |
| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING Quoting: DPS7 People would learn to distrust any SORT of digital evidence. Thus making live testimony the only standard for evidence. I don't see that as a good thing at all. It undermines trust even between ordinary citizens. The ability to communicate and share images and video over the internet is a powerful tool. The only good thing about is that the code is publicly available, making it possible to see the datasets it was trained on and develop adversarial AI's to rapidly detect fakes generated from this AI. |
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| DPS7
User ID: 77367186 Israel02/15/2019 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING Quoting: DPS7 People would learn to distrust any SORT of digital evidence. Thus making live testimony the only standard for evidence. I don't see that as a good thing at all. It undermines trust even between ordinary citizens. The ability to communicate and share images and video over the internet is a powerful tool. The only good thing about is that the code is publicly available, making it possible to see the datasets it was trained on and develop adversarial AI's to rapidly detect fakes generated from this AI. It undermines. But it will strengthen live testimony as the only standard of evidence. Truth is achieved quicker through live testimony method. Biblical standard. |
| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely. That will probably be one of the very first improper uses of this technology. Now catfishers don't have to rely on stealing "chad" pics, they can just generate an untraceable image and off they go. If they want to get really fancy they could employ another AI that's already out there to re-pose images to generate multiple pictures of the same fake person, though that's still too much work for the average person. Soon I expect these tools will start showing up in easy to use applications. The license for this one doesn't permit commercial use, but I doubt that's going to stop someone from selling something that uses the trained model. |
| Dr. Deplorable Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 02/15/2019 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING Quoting: DPS7 People would learn to distrust any SORT of digital evidence. Thus making live testimony the only standard for evidence. I don't see that as a good thing at all. It undermines trust even between ordinary citizens. The ability to communicate and share images and video over the internet is a powerful tool. The only good thing about is that the code is publicly available, making it possible to see the datasets it was trained on and develop adversarial AI's to rapidly detect fakes generated from this AI. It undermines. But it will strengthen live testimony as the only standard of evidence. Truth is achieved quicker through live testimony method. Biblical standard. I don't see this as a good thing. It's much harder to communicate in person. That's regressive and I don't see that as a positive. |
| DPS7
User ID: 77367186 Israel02/15/2019 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely. That will probably be one of the very first improper uses of this technology. Now catfishers don't have to rely on stealing "chad" pics, they can just generate an untraceable image and off they go. If they want to get really fancy they could employ another AI that's already out there to re-pose images to generate multiple pictures of the same fake person, though that's still too much work for the average person. Soon I expect these tools will start showing up in easy to use applications. The license for this one doesn't permit commercial use, but I doubt that's going to stop someone from selling something that uses the trained model. Another good thing!!! Complete abandonment of digital social media and back to good old days when people met face to face. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76669221 France02/15/2019 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut Personally I can't photoshop faces that look this good. This makes photorealistic fake face generation trivially easy. And it's just the beginning, once those faces can move and talk it becomes even more powerful. It can also crank these out orders of magnitude faster than any graphics designer could ever hope to do. I can spot they are a mesh of pictures. they all display defects. notice that in order to look realistic they use a canavas face with quite a lot of detail and then past eyes, eyebrows, nose and mouth on them. Clearly detail do not match. It's not a simple copy paste operation. You can actually see video of the code morphing into various faces. It's freaky. no it's not. it won't pass for real to an educate eye. it's not a simple copy and paste but is still a copy,mask, map and paste. I've sow more than 40. Only one out of those 40 wasn't showing artifacts. and in fact I believe that picture was actually real because it had heavy shadows on the face and they were all matching correctly. |
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