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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77388825 United States 02/20/2019 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The theory (which is not actually a theory since it doesn't reach the level necessary to be labeled a theory) is based on the observation that the farther we look into space, the greater the "red shift" and the faster galaxies SEEM to be moving away from us. Evidence that this is bullshit is no star or galaxy has ever moved a millimeter in relation to another. This "red shift" is very simply the result of the fact that light loses energy over time and distance due to various factors including interaction with matter and gravity, and since it cannot lose energy by slowing down , it does so by decreasing in frequency. Another explanation of why the farther back in time we look the lower the average frequency of light is found in our own sun, which has gotten whiter and brighter over time. When we look at galaxies billions of light years away we are looking at them billions of years in the past, when the majority of stars were still young, and redder |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77388825 United States 02/20/2019 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution Examples in Nature: Quoting: Godless 17274221 Peppered moth - This moth had a light coloring darkened after the Industrial Revolution, due to the pollution of the time. This mutation came about because the light colored moths were seen by birds more readily, so with natural selection, the dark colored moths survived to reproduce. Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks - This lizard can either lay eggs or have live birth. Skinks that line in a coastal area usually lay eggs and those in cooler climates tend to give birth. Females secrete calcium for the live birth to make up for not having a shell. Interaction between Crabs and Mussels - Blue mussels in New England have been observed thickening their shells when they spot Asian shore crabs. This behavior only happens in mussels from a region where Asian shore crabs are endemic. Italian Wall Lizards - These lizards were taken to an island and left there to see any changes that occurred. They shifted their diet and ate more vegetation, causing a change to their head size, giving them a stronger bite. They also developed cecal valves in their intestine which gives bacteria more time to break down the vegetation. Cane Toads - There are an invasive species in Australia. When they were studied, they had developed longer legs, were more active and were bigger and hardier. Darwin's Finches - The finches on the Galapagos Islands have all developed different beaks. Originally, the finches had large beaks for cracking large nuts. A group of finches came from another island who were larger and drove those away and ate their nuts. Over time, the finches developed beaks to eat smaller nuts that the other finches did not eat. Butterflies and Parasites - The Blue Moon Butterfly on the Samoan islands was attacked by a parasite, which destroyed male embryos. This changed the balance of male and female but that was remedied within 10 generations. This is because the few male moths that were immune lived to breed. Rat Snake - The coloration of rat snakes have changed according to their location. They can be found with yellow, black, orange and green colorations, and live all over the eastern half of the United States. Pesticide-resistant Insects - Whenever a pesticide is used, certain insects will develop immunity to it and those insects will reproduce. This happens very quickly, within a few generations, since the generation length for insects is short. Peacocks - Females always choose the male with the brightest colored feathers. A few thousand years ago, not all males were brightly colored, and now these are rare. Warrior Ants - These ants have a chemical signal that identifies their colony. Some ants learned to imitate this signal from another colony, so they can attack a colony and take over. The worker ants will not even realize there has been an invasion and continue to work. Deer Mouse - These were normally dark colored and found living in the woods. The ones found in the sand hills are lighter, having evolved over about 8000 years. Nylon-eating Bacteria - The bacterium Pseudomonas has enzymes that allows it to eat nylon. Experiments took other bacteria and placed them where the only food was nylon. Every time, the bacteria changed and was able to consume the nylon. Regressive Evolution - This refers to traits disappearing that are no longer useful. Mexican cavefish once had eyes, but in the caves, eyes were no longer necessary. They have also lost their pigmentation, because they no longer need camouflage from predators. Lizards - An experiment took natural predators out of an environment. Larger lizards flourished because they had better access to food, not because the natural predators were removed. Lactose intolerance in humans - Scientists say that nine percent of our genes are undergoing evolution at the present time. This would be genes in the immune system, sensory perception, and sexual reproduction. One example of natural selection is the fact that humans are the only species that does not become lactose intolerant as we mature. Sickle hemoglobin gene - This was a gene mutation due to malaria in certain areas of Africa. The gene makes people more resistant and the mutation happened over generations because of the ongoing exposure to malaria. Whales - With fossil records, it was discovered that whales evolved on land. Their last land ancestor was Indohyus which had bones, teeth and ears that resemble whales. Guppies - When the color variation of wild guppies was adjusted, it was found that the survival rate was higher for those with unusual variants. So selection favored the rare colorations. Dinosaurs with feathers - In northern China, evidence was found of feathered dinosaurs that did not fly. The feathers may have been for insulation or looks, but not for flying. Evolution doesn't occur over night, but as things become more evolved, the jump in advancement exponentially increases. What does that have anything to do with the fact there is no superior being in the sky with a beard opening a gate for you to get in. Quoting: Masturbation_Specialist Name Just one thing that has Ever evolved lol What was it and what did it become? NO species you describe evolved into another, they adapted through a dynamic DNA that allowed for it |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77388825 United States 02/20/2019 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spoke with you last might, we have a totally different view and perspective of the chosen ones, i wonder does this effect scientific perspective, as in religious contamination of science well, i doubt that any Scientist takes the Biblical writings any more seriously than they do the Hindu writings. Not if they actually knew that where the originated. I don't see any of these jewish scientists telling us evolution and the big bang are part of the Zohar |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 02/20/2019 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spoke with you last might, we have a totally different view and perspective of the chosen ones, i wonder does this effect scientific perspective, as in religious contamination of science well, i doubt that any Scientist takes the Biblical writings any more seriously than they do the Hindu writings. Not if they actually knew that where the originated. I don't see any of these jewish scientists telling us evolution and the big bang are part of the Zohar well, i'm looking at the whole School of Science over the past 500 years. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77388825 United States 02/20/2019 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77388825 I spoke with you last might, we have a totally different view and perspective of the chosen ones, i wonder does this effect scientific perspective, as in religious contamination of science well, i doubt that any Scientist takes the Biblical writings any more seriously than they do the Hindu writings. Not if they actually knew that where the originated. I don't see any of these jewish scientists telling us evolution and the big bang are part of the Zohar well, i'm looking at the whole School of Science over the past 500 years. You lost me at Einstein. Previous to that science was convinced of intelligent design, and followed laws of science |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 02/20/2019 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Low Earth Orbit well, i doubt that any Scientist takes the Biblical writings any more seriously than they do the Hindu writings. Not if they actually knew that where the originated. I don't see any of these jewish scientists telling us evolution and the big bang are part of the Zohar well, i'm looking at the whole School of Science over the past 500 years. You lost me at Einstein. Previous to that science was convinced of intelligent design, and followed laws of science everybody supports Intelligent Design. it's just not a "God". that's all. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77083844 Netherlands 02/20/2019 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77388825 Not if they actually knew that where the originated. I don't see any of these jewish scientists telling us evolution and the big bang are part of the Zohar well, i'm looking at the whole School of Science over the past 500 years. You lost me at Einstein. Previous to that science was convinced of intelligent design, and followed laws of science everybody supports Intelligent Design. it's just not a "God". that's all. So what is it, what dictated our design? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 02/20/2019 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Low Earth Orbit well, i'm looking at the whole School of Science over the past 500 years. You lost me at Einstein. Previous to that science was convinced of intelligent design, and followed laws of science everybody supports Intelligent Design. it's just not a "God". that's all. So what is it, what dictated our design? it's complicated |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77083844 Netherlands 02/20/2019 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77388825 You lost me at Einstein. Previous to that science was convinced of intelligent design, and followed laws of science everybody supports Intelligent Design. it's just not a "God". that's all. So what is it, what dictated our design? it's complicated Try me or if it's really complicated make a thread about i'd read it. Here's my opinion on it 6You alone are the L-rd; You made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens and all their host, the earth and all that is upon it, the seas and all that is in them, and You give life to them all, and the heavenly host bow down before You. |
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Godless User ID: 17274221 United States 02/20/2019 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution Examples in Nature: Quoting: Godless 17274221 Peppered moth - This moth had a light coloring darkened after the Industrial Revolution, due to the pollution of the time. This mutation came about because the light colored moths were seen by birds more readily, so with natural selection, the dark colored moths survived to reproduce. Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks - This lizard can either lay eggs or have live birth. Skinks that line in a coastal area usually lay eggs and those in cooler climates tend to give birth. Females secrete calcium for the live birth to make up for not having a shell. Interaction between Crabs and Mussels - Blue mussels in New England have been observed thickening their shells when they spot Asian shore crabs. This behavior only happens in mussels from a region where Asian shore crabs are endemic. Italian Wall Lizards - These lizards were taken to an island and left there to see any changes that occurred. They shifted their diet and ate more vegetation, causing a change to their head size, giving them a stronger bite. They also developed cecal valves in their intestine which gives bacteria more time to break down the vegetation. Cane Toads - There are an invasive species in Australia. When they were studied, they had developed longer legs, were more active and were bigger and hardier. Darwin's Finches - The finches on the Galapagos Islands have all developed different beaks. Originally, the finches had large beaks for cracking large nuts. A group of finches came from another island who were larger and drove those away and ate their nuts. Over time, the finches developed beaks to eat smaller nuts that the other finches did not eat. Butterflies and Parasites - The Blue Moon Butterfly on the Samoan islands was attacked by a parasite, which destroyed male embryos. This changed the balance of male and female but that was remedied within 10 generations. This is because the few male moths that were immune lived to breed. Rat Snake - The coloration of rat snakes have changed according to their location. They can be found with yellow, black, orange and green colorations, and live all over the eastern half of the United States. Pesticide-resistant Insects - Whenever a pesticide is used, certain insects will develop immunity to it and those insects will reproduce. This happens very quickly, within a few generations, since the generation length for insects is short. Peacocks - Females always choose the male with the brightest colored feathers. A few thousand years ago, not all males were brightly colored, and now these are rare. Warrior Ants - These ants have a chemical signal that identifies their colony. Some ants learned to imitate this signal from another colony, so they can attack a colony and take over. The worker ants will not even realize there has been an invasion and continue to work. Deer Mouse - These were normally dark colored and found living in the woods. The ones found in the sand hills are lighter, having evolved over about 8000 years. Nylon-eating Bacteria - The bacterium Pseudomonas has enzymes that allows it to eat nylon. Experiments took other bacteria and placed them where the only food was nylon. Every time, the bacteria changed and was able to consume the nylon. Regressive Evolution - This refers to traits disappearing that are no longer useful. Mexican cavefish once had eyes, but in the caves, eyes were no longer necessary. They have also lost their pigmentation, because they no longer need camouflage from predators. Lizards - An experiment took natural predators out of an environment. Larger lizards flourished because they had better access to food, not because the natural predators were removed. Lactose intolerance in humans - Scientists say that nine percent of our genes are undergoing evolution at the present time. This would be genes in the immune system, sensory perception, and sexual reproduction. One example of natural selection is the fact that humans are the only species that does not become lactose intolerant as we mature. Sickle hemoglobin gene - This was a gene mutation due to malaria in certain areas of Africa. The gene makes people more resistant and the mutation happened over generations because of the ongoing exposure to malaria. Whales - With fossil records, it was discovered that whales evolved on land. Their last land ancestor was Indohyus which had bones, teeth and ears that resemble whales. Guppies - When the color variation of wild guppies was adjusted, it was found that the survival rate was higher for those with unusual variants. So selection favored the rare colorations. Dinosaurs with feathers - In northern China, evidence was found of feathered dinosaurs that did not fly. The feathers may have been for insulation or looks, but not for flying. Evolution doesn't occur over night, but as things become more evolved, the jump in advancement exponentially increases. What does that have anything to do with the fact there is no superior being in the sky with a beard opening a gate for you to get in. Quoting: Masturbation_Specialist Name Just one thing that has Ever evolved lol What was it and what did it become? NO species you describe evolved into another, they adapted through a dynamic DNA that allowed for it Whales - With fossil records, it was discovered that whales evolved on land. Their last land ancestor was Indohyus which had bones, teeth and ears that resemble whales. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77083844 Netherlands 02/20/2019 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 589 History and civilization. But i'm not specifically saying that the earth is 6000 years old. they began making big piles of dirt, and stuff like that. They began farming, keeping cattle, hunting, like Nimrod yer right. Yes civilization begat literature, math, astronomy rather quickly. From the first moment civilization started actually |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77083844 Netherlands 02/20/2019 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes civilization begat literature, math, astronomy rather quickly. From the first moment civilization started actually yes. almost as astounding as The Big Bang itself. Well it's not my fault you don't know history. You know your prior to civilization fairy tales that's all |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 02/20/2019 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes civilization begat literature, math, astronomy rather quickly. From the first moment civilization started actually yes. almost as astounding as The Big Bang itself. Well it's not my fault you don't know history. You know your prior to civilization fairy tales that's all sorry. i was beginning with 5,000 years ago. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77083844 Netherlands 02/20/2019 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 589 Yes civilization begat literature, math, astronomy rather quickly. From the first moment civilization started actually yes. almost as astounding as The Big Bang itself. Well it's not my fault you don't know history. You know your prior to civilization fairy tales that's all sorry. i was beginning with 5,000 years ago. Yes they had agriculture, literature, math etc. These are called the early bronze ages. It's where Abraham was born |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62716963 Canada 02/20/2019 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 589 So you're saying that for the last 200.000 years sapiens lived, and logically in 200.000 years time they would have populated the entire planet. They hardly left no trace? That means you would agree with a recent catastrophe like that of Noah? And if not the flood of Noah in the book of Genesis, what other catastrophes could there have been or do you think have happened? The first 175000 years humans travelled from place to place they never setteled. When the food was gone they moved. First farming started around 20000-25000 years ago then it is wehn the first cities were build and started to develop. If humans started building cities 20000 years ago, why did we surpass them x1000 in 6000 years? Obviously if humans were smart enough to build cities, in 25000 years. They would have accomplished something. If otherwise what changed so drastically? Religion kept them stupid. This is part of the reason. But when theres no Illiteracy and Indoor plumbing you tend to move around alot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62716963 Canada 02/20/2019 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians: please explain why no one has ever sailed off the edge of the flat earth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52055181 This isn't a christian thread but they'd probably benefit. So far though atheists haven't really provided an argument but got rekt and ran scared. My point is that being an Atheist has absolutely nothing to do with ones beliefs of the age of the earth. Just as being a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with ones beliefs that the earth is flat or round. Being an atheist merely means one does not believe in god. What is so difficult about this that you just can't seem to get it trough your thick skull? I am curious why atheists don't believe in god or the supernatrual when there are numerous reports of OBE's, NDE's, spirits-souls, and high probability of an after life. Science today cannot explain everything, but there are numerous reports from people about such things... are all of them lying? Christians: please explain why no one has ever sailed off the edge of the flat earth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52055181 This isn't a christian thread but they'd probably benefit. So far though atheists haven't really provided an argument but got rekt and ran scared. My point is that being an Atheist has absolutely nothing to do with ones beliefs of the age of the earth. Just as being a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with ones beliefs that the earth is flat or round. Being an atheist merely means one does not believe in god. What is so difficult about this that you just can't seem to get it trough your thick skull? I am curious why atheists don't believe in god or the supernatrual when there are numerous reports of OBE's, NDE's, spirits-souls, and high probability of an after life. Science today cannot explain everything, but there are numerous reports from people about such things... are all of them lying? No, all of them are not lying, all of them are dying. And afraid of dying. Which is understandable, I too regret that I will have to die a stinky mess. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77083844 Netherlands 02/20/2019 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well it's not my fault you don't know history. You know your prior to civilization fairy tales that's all sorry. i was beginning with 5,000 years ago. Yes they had agriculture, literature, math etc. These are called the early bronze ages. It's where Abraham was born Start learning some history man, stop reading that science fiction darwin tales |
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User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 02/20/2019 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many people have. Yes. Who said animal? Even you can learn how to do it. Human beings are curious and like to learn. Are you a human being? Blatant denialism is not a rational approach, it's just another iteration of flateartherism, the denial of reality for whatever cognitive or psychological dysfunction. If life and sapiens already walked the earth for millions of years why is it that there is only a few thousand years of civilization and history? Seems strange. That means in 6000 years we went to the moon, and for millions of years we were retarded? Quoting: 589 There are buildings in south america 12,000 years old. The pyramids are at least 8,000, probably older. Pseudo-scientific fringe memes are not facts. Interesting tidbit here, scientists and engineers agree if we decided to build the great pyramid tomorrow it would take hundreds of years with today's technology, IF it could be done at all. There's some doubt as to what country or group could amass the wealth and labor to do it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77388825 And this is pure fabrication. The volume of the Great Pyramid is comparable to that of the Hoover Dam which is more complex and only took 5 years to build. [link to www.livescience.com (secure)] Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 02/20/2019 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just admit that you don't know anything about prehistory and are just talking out of your patute. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Any opinion based on ignorance is worth exactly as much as we paid for it. If there would be sapiens 500.000 years ago that would have used tools that means just like my original post entails: that we have been retarded for millions(500.000) of years. Not yet as developed. Actual brains have been around for only half a billion years. The first ones were very simple, some grew ever more complex, acquiring more capacity. This of course takes a lot of time. We know this, so what's your point? If any sapien was evolved enough to use any form of tool, it would be smart enough to produce. Quoting: 589 Microbiotica reproduce, no intelligence required. If this sapien would have lived for 500.000 years that means it would of have reproduced billions of these sapiens in 500.000 years. Quoting: 589 This is a confuddled mess. What are you trying to say? So you don't know? Than what are you basing your "opinion" on other than ignorance? A shell which supposedly was used for a tool? LOL Yeah, big advancement for 500.000 years Rub your ignorance in some more. Hominids have been making tools for millions of years. From shells, yes, but also from wood, ivory, bones, sinews, and stone, and what ever else was useful. Acting like an idjit on the internet won't make people take you serious. Well since dinosaur remains in museums are 99% produced plastics and arts. And the real bones are supposedly hid in a vault. And there were two american artists who sketched all the supposed dinosaurs using their imagination. Who's to tell really. Quoting: 589 Argument from fiction. I look at those animated hollywood movies like jurassic park, i think it would be absolutely retarded and out of the ordinairy if those creatures would have actually walked on the planet. It would make 0 sense. Quoting: 589 A T-rex would be fucking huge, with chicken hands with retarded body features. It's bs. These creatures would consume the entire earths vegetation in 1 year. It makes zero sense Argument from personal incredulity and ridicule. Do you have any actual FACTS, any actual RATIONAL thoughts about this or are you just jabbering? You would guess all their bodies and remains would be all over the face of the earth if they had been walking around for 100.000 years. You would find remains under every rock after millions of years Quoting: 589 Oh, THAT'S your problem? You failed to encounter the fact that fossilisation is an extremely rare process? See, that happens when you try to pontificate about a subject you couldn't be bothered to study. 6You alone are the L-rd; You made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens and all their host, the earth and all that is upon it, the seas and all that is in them, and You give life to them all, and the heavenly host bow down before You. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77083844 You are fetishising scripture while ignoring the Book of Creation. Your creator-god allegedly gave you eyes and a brain. You closed them both. You might as well be a heretic. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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User ID: 74912760 Australia 02/21/2019 01:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The idea is that civilizations rise and then are wiped out in a cycle by catastrophe. So of course, we don't remember those previously destroyed. There are echoes of this in many world religions. Noah's flood is one example. Quoting: gmigriff Noah's flood.. another beautiful story. Another bearded guy who managed to build a boat out of wood and fit 2 of every single animal on it, and manage to have enough food to feed them for 40 days and nights.... smh Guess he had invented turbine engines also so that he could get from continent to continent in time to save the animals before the flood You may have missed his point. The flood story isn't a one off thing and intended focus isn't about a dude and a boat with animals. It exists in many cultures and varies somewhat but 'echos' a common theme. Humans were almost wiped out by a great flood. [link to youtu.be (secure)] and this may not have been the only ELE over the years....... something very bad happened in India a long tome ago....... tech used to create structures all over this planet we today can not reproduce.....even with all our tech....... now the one thing evolution does not include......outside intervention...... some will call them gods...other just aliens......but the outcomes was the same. Aren't some of events you describe that happened in India written in Bhagavad Gita? I recall hearing something to that effect, have a copy but not read it yet. As for other ELE's, agreed. There have been several and 5 or 6 quite large ones. End of the Permian Age (250Ma) saw 96% of life wiped out. [link to cosmosmagazine.com (secure)] . Is reality based on geometry? [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] The Fingerspitzengefühl is strong with you, but you are not a Jedi yet. |
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