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Thanks a bunch dood! You've helped me a lot and it's not just me who owes you a debt of gratitude.

There's dozens of lurkers who aren't chatty and your usual pets. Who would no doubt begrudgingly admit you've helped them if only they would get over their issues and take the time to listen to you or at least stop ranting! :D

You've saved me a lot of time by convincing me not to look into high magic. If I can't see the causality I'll never really get it.

As for low magic, as I understand it. It's more than just psychology and mind games, or even magician tricks although that is certainly part of it. I know some people with access to tools at their disposal which offers them the capacity to use the force of the state as their own power. That right there is some seriously scary stuff, which makes me wary of people using low magic because of the level of force some people possess. But I will Google Black Psychology! :D

And again you're right about developing goals and working towards them by using mountain climbing as an example. I guess I've been heavily conditioned to value adaptability over long term thinking.

For instance I may make climbing a mountain a goal and save up for it. But those sort of goals seem so distant as to be dreams as opposed to immediate objectives.

I do have a goal of one day owning a unit in regional Australia, because regional cities have amenities and are much cheaper than the capitals. First I go bankrupt and use the cost of living minimalization to save up a deposit and slowly pay off the unit. I have $400 in Ripple and who knows where that will go!

But I've started saving money and moving to a regional city that offers cheap rent is a start to building up that deposit. But it seems like an intangible dream and not something that will come to fruition any time soon so I don't focus on it.

Besides even if I do buy that unit, there's no guarantee I wont die from heart disease sometime over the next 10 years...

I think I was taught the adaptability because we're not guaranteed another day on Earth let alone 20 years to pay off a unit. There's so many different ways to die, from heart attacks to cancer to accidents to governments failing to civil war!

All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.

I Googled Black Psychology and found a lot of African American psychologists. But the words "Dark Psychology" gave me what you were talking about.

Yeah low magic confuses ppl because of how its labeled.

You could also define it as high magic being power you are requesting from a deity. (From on high)

And low magic as powers you already possess naturally and/or intuition. That could include really powerful things like all the classic supernatural gifts. Psychic, premonition, mind speak, hypnosis, clairvoyance, clairaudience etcetera etcetera...

And it's kind of funny because often thats why ppl do high magic, to try and gain those kinds of gifts.

It's the old nature vs nurture argument.

Even the term black psychology is misleading. Black does not refer to evil, it replies to being hidden and unseen. It's in the dark when used. So "black".
How you use it decides if it's good,bad or evil.

It's all a completely different way of thinking and seeing reality.

It's a specific kind of paradigm shift.

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Semantics in nomenclature

You get the gist though

Or to be light as a feather...

That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.

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Yes - but also to be caught in astonished laughter lifts one up (since you spoke of fools, and the day itself).

It's all feels very much like when you see the joke.

Any energy source will pick the path of least resistance to get from point A to B. And sometimes that path or conduit is a rusty old something we tossed out in the boneyard not knowing the value of it being used in a different capacity. Nonetheless this is how energy works, and very much provable as well.

Big n' true...

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You're talking about something being raised to the level of righteousness through laughter? Often something terrible on the surface.

If so yes that particular inside joke definitely qualifies as light as a feather too.

I've seen that joke turn wickedly on the one doing the laughing before tho.

Sounds familiar, honey.

Start slow, classy.

Then show what you've been hiding all at once when they think they have you calculated. Steal their heart with surprise.

Angels.

Yes we dance well together

Yes - it can be a vulnerability to see, and be seen.

High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.



Do you believe that high magic is real then, Merit?

I know you have referred to your magic or energy gifts in the past, so what would you call them? Or are they just a pragmatic distillation of all that works from the different paradigms, taught to people in your family and others? I suspect you did not have to go through years of Mystery School initiations and exercises to get your skills.

High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works?


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High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.





I was doing so well just acting like some guy on the internet pretending to be smart too...

I said earlier it was a version of nature vs nurture. My family believes in not picking one or the other but in nurturing nature.

Identifying natural acclamations and helping them grow. No matter what they may be. With all resources available.

My life is my mystery school. That is what I was taught. Initiation happens regardless of what organization one is associated with, or not associated with, if someone is on the path.

Being in an organization gives one an educated audience that can identify, and help protect you when, things that are happening to you are part of your initiations on the path. That can have it's advantages, but it also makes you vulnerable to the organization. You have to trust them not to take advantage of you in those trying times.

I was taught to seek out individual adepts, not to subscribe to one hierarchy.

Do i believe in high magic? Sure. I believe some ppl could not have accomplished the things they did without it.

I do not see any gift I have as any different than being able to naturally play a piano or draw/paint well. A blessing meant to be used, but not a sign of power of higher or lower magic.

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I was doing so well just acting like some guy on the internet pretending to be smart too...

I said earlier it was a version of nature vs nurture. My family believes in not picking one or the other but in nurturing nature.

Identifying natural acclamations and helping them grow. No matter what they may be. With all resources available.

My life is my mystery school. That is what I was taught. Initiation happens regardless of what organization one is associated with, or not associated with, if someone is on the path.

Being in an organization gives one an educated audience that can identify, and help protect you when, things that are happening to you are part of your initiations on the path. That can have it's advantages, but it also makes you vulnerable to the organization. You have to trust them not to take advantage of you in those trying times.

I was taught to seek out individual adepts, not to subscribe to one hierarchy.

Do i believe in high magic? Sure. I believe some ppl could not have accomplished the things they did without it.

I do not see any gift I have as any different than being able to naturally play a piano or draw/paint well. A blessing meant to be used, but not a sign of power of higher or lower magic.



I just want to say, I hope people appreciate the gold that Merit gives us (for nothing).

Thanks, Merit.

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33 days short of a year later:

Empress, World, Hanged Man

What is given freely out of nature
In origin persists throughout all time
Shadow but defines an edge and color
As repetition makes a pattern rhyme
Stillness moves within consideration
To shift a sequence does not change a goal
What will not be moved is inspiration
To push against and spring into the whole
Gather all the elements of reason
As instinct will intuitively guide
Gather all the aspects of the season
What may be seen and what must always hide
And in seeing hold true without spinning
And in being move not past beginning

:Mind blown:

I thought low magic implied a capacity for human magic as in a understanding of logic/psychology and an application of various forms of force either at a low violent level or systemic level of force.

I'll explain my reasoning...

I know some former intelligence operatives and their access to currently serving members grants them a level of systemic force not found anywhere else. By understanding the system and its capabilities I know what these people are capable of.

A millionaire uses druggies,
someone worth 5 million hires a hitman and
someone worth 100 million hires an intelligence asset... Sort of thing...

With low magic being able to do things like pattern cognition and psychology to assume a level of psychic ability. With Masons using low magic like their contacts to stack scenarios. For instance like the Mason's children before the court with judges they golf with sort of thing, like you explained in an earlier post.

In a way with low magic you can see causality and how it works if you peek behind the curtain or someone shows you.

However depending on the low magic being used it can be as devastating as being destroyed by the deity in what it can do to a person's life...

As for the dark magic you mentioned, I assumed it was not just hidden but actually similar to a form of mind control because of an audio book which promised such things as total domination of the darker aspects of psychology.

For instance using mental images to traumatize people to compel them into things they wouldn't otherwise do. Or building a false sense of rapport with someone based on sublimilal suggestion of familiarity. Or even decimating someone's sense of self esteem to better manipulate them are just some aspects of what I expected dark psychology to be based on what this audio book promised.

I don't actually plan to use the audio book to wreck people's lives, but there's a junkie who threatened me and it would be useful to convince said junkie to leave the trailer park without resorting to imprisoning them for the rest of their life...

Nurturing nature.


Easiest way to live is on the edges of the patterns. I've learned life thrives there..

Can't change what's already established.

You can, but at detriment to yourself in the environment, you're invading.

Best to hang around the edges and let the environment show you how you fit into it.

The world is a stage and all..

It makes sense you're a little confused.
There's a war within a war as old as humanity.

Those with natural gifts they didn't need to appeal to a higher power to attain and those who have no natural extrasensory abilities and used high magic to get them.
Which means it's not their power but on loan from the entity they worship or made a deal with.

Lets use the word witch just to streamline the conversation.


To a natural witch a glamour or reading someone's mind is low magic because it's their natural inborn ability that did it. They did not need to appeal to a higher power. So its no different than using psychology or slight of hand to them. It's just something they can do on their own.

To someone without natural extrasensory gifts (an unnatural witch) that had to attain them by appealing to or making a deal with a higher power the same abilities are high magic. Because it's not something they can do naturally by themselves.



You get it? It's two different worlds for naturals and unnaturrals and there is the worst kind of jealousy and hate between some sects of these two groups.

The unnaturals have to sacrifice something for their gifts. The naturals do not.

So much of the more evil intentioned high magic throughout history is unnatural witches trying to attain the power to take on or be equal to a natural witch.


Then of course a natural witch will turn around and do high magic to supercharge their natural ability to get one up on the unnatural witch using high magic. You can see the vicious circle of behavior this can create. The gods playing humans like a piano.


As far as using darkness for good? That's not a weird as it sounds on the surface. Here's a simple story that can be applied to it:

You have a 2 yr old child who escapes the house and runs into traffic constantly. They just can not grasp the very real life threatening danger they are in. They are too young to either grasp the concept or have it explained to them why they can't do this. They do it anywhere there is moving cars. They just run out in front of them like it's a game.

What to do?

You spank them hard to Physically hurt them.

They will not understand why you do this and will be very hurt by it. But they will learn a very simple concept They can understand that saves their life. That concept is:

Everytime i go out in the street I get hit and it hurts a lot. I like not being in pain even more than I like playing with moving cars. So I'm not going to play with cars in the street anymore.



You just used pain and fear to save a child's life. They don't even understand why you are hitting them. They just know it happens when they play with moving cars so stop doing it.

Thats black psychology.

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Yes the world is a stage, but we can't all play the same character or there's no plot line

Agreed, each their own circle/track

We stack, then become the seed to the flower and so on... No doubts

-enjoyed your explanation of those using gifts vs high magic. The proof is in how our environments respond. Nature gets everything done, and tight on time. Anything else, you'll see the chaos of control seeping in, as the cycles are twisted to justify the ends by whatever means..