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Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Ahh yes... There's the Devil's Servant again. Denying the divinity of the Savior, and separating Him from the Father, even though they are ONE.

Cherry picking verses, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of the plethora of verses that make Christ's divinity clear.

Even the Father commands worship of the Son. And the Father knows better than anyone, that ONLY God is to be worshiped by His people.

You are NOT one of His people. You do not recognize who Yeshua is, and continually seek to diminish from who Christ is.
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They are ONE = they are UNITED


Not "they are the same person"
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They are united as ONE GOD.

Scripture makes clear that Christ is the Creator, and also the Judge.

And egg has three parts...

Yolk, white, and shell.

But it is still only ONE egg.

The Godhead is composed of three personages.

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

But they are ONE GOD.



Not gonna argue with you. Take it or leave it.
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Even the Father commands worship of the Son.
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The Father wants us to worship HIMSELF, IN/THROUGH/BY Jesus, who is THE SPIRIT, AND THE TRUTH.

NOT "worship Jesus, a man, as God."
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God calls Jesus 'God':
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Do you also believe in a "third person of the godhead" called "the Holy Spirit" who also is "God"?

Before we go further I want to know if you are a TRINITARIAN or not.
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"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." 1st John 5:7


Nuff said...
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cool quotes, but who did Jesus say them too?

who was witness to these words?
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Are you one of these people who expect everybody else to do your homework for you?

It would only take you about 2 minutes of research, but that's asking a lot for a hell-bound a-hole.
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Where is the love in that statement? also inferring that another would take the mark...Please sir, remove the plank from thine eye...
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Sorry... But I don't cast pearls before swine, nor give what is Holy to dogs.

Yeshua called people hostile to the truth all kinds of names, including Vipers, Dogs, Swine, Hypocrites, etc...

And the vast majority of the world will take the Mark, and wonder after the Beast, attacking, and ridiculing, and mocking Christians all along the way.

Take that plank and shove it.
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BUMP for Eternal Father from which all grace, love, all that is, comes from.

For Thy Grace is thy Nature, it was us wretched creatures in the material, both that proud angel whose job was to lay your glory on your throne, so close to you who rebelled and sold you out for his pride and selfish reasons, and who Arch Angel Michael prostrated and cast into the place then prepared for him. Then Adam and Eve who said no to you and yes to him breaking the grace of this earth and creation, then your only begotton Son who thy sent out of Love, for us, to stop atone for the sins of the world, open thy grace to all not just thy Chosen and blessed people, who again like you one of us Like Luc***, one of his closest kissed on the cheek, sold and who was mocked and shamed for our sins.

Thy Grace continues, You did nothing to us wrong, only good, Jesus Mary and the Most Holy family did nothing to us wrong, just offered their lives and all for others, forgave, and look how we and our families anscestors and relatives return it.

We are sorry, if we are not we would be on our knees in penance if we realised the true nature of it and you. Please forgive us as you have before. We Love you, and if we dont we would if we realised that you do not need our love, though are deserving of it all, have mercy, share thy grace ABBA for we do not know what we do.

The Song Amazing Grace
"Newton was born in 1725 in London to a Puritan mother who died two weeks before his seventh birthday, and a stern sea-captain father who took him to sea at age 11. After many voyages and a reckless youth of drinking, Newton was impressed into the British navy. After attempting to desert, he received eight dozen lashes and was reduced to the rank of common seaman.

While later serving on the Pegasus, a slave ship, Newton did not get along with the crew who left him in West Africa with Amos Clowe, a slave trader. Clowe gave Newton to his wife Princess Peye, an African royal who treated him vilely as she did her other slaves

He was saved by a sea captain asked by the senior Newton to look for the missing John

During the voyage home, the ship was caught in a horrendous storm off the coast of Ireland and almost sank. Newton prayed to God and the cargo miraculously shifted to fill a hole in the ship’s hull and the vessel drifted to safety. Newton took this as a sign from the Almighty and marked it as his conversion to Christianity.

After leaving it that he renounced his former slaving profession by publishing a blazing pamphlet called “Thoughts Upon the Slave Trade.” The tract described the horrific conditions on slave ships and Newton apologized for making a public statement so many years after participating in the trade: “It will always be a subject of humiliating reflection to me, that I was once an active instrument in a business at which my heart now shudders.” The pamphlet was so popular it was reprinted several times and sent to every member of Parliament. Under the leadership of MP William Wilberforce, the English civil government outlawed slavery in Great Britain in 1807 and Newton lived to see it."
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I bless you Abba, I love you Father, I adore You Father All Glory and Honor to The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit One God. Thank You.

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Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me, Jesus cried out.
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I would guess from your title you do not know that Jesus Father God is also your FATHER God.?
This is from the RETURNED CHRIST JESUS

Realize The Power Of Thinking

Through this power of thinking, you have power over all the kingdoms of the earth. If you but know it, YOU have now, this moment, only to Think and speak the word—realizing your power, and that within your merging with God, will bring about the results—and the waiting consciousness of the invisible cells of all matter upon which your will and attention become focused—which waiting consciousness is God consciousness, remember—will begin immediately to obey and do exactly according to the image or plans you have prepared by your thinking.

FOR ALL THINGS ARE MADE BY THE WORD, AND WITHOUT THE WORD WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.

When you can once realize this and can know that the I 'AM Consciousness within you is ONE with the Consciousness of all animate and inanimate matter, and that Its will is one with your will, which is "MY" Will, and that all your desires are "MY" Desires, then will you begin to know and feel "ME" within, and will acknowledge the Power and Glory of Idea, which is eternally expressing Itself impersonally through you.

All you need to do is to turn within unto GOD, and let God direct your thinking and your desires in the path of goodliness (the red path). Then will your desires be fulfilled and in that change from the evil of physical manufacture you can move into the grand harmony, your world a "heaven" and yourself one with God. In that change there is no note taken of that which once appeared to be necessity for things of the physical plane of experience take their rightful place of "things to utilize" but are left when the time is come to move on into higher wonder.

When you have begun to realize this and have glimpsed somewhat of its inner meaning, then you will be prepared to grasp the real import of what follows. But first, must come the WORD so that you can align self with the "Original THINKER", Creator.




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Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength.
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NAMES OF GOD:

ELOHIM - Genesis 1:1, Psalm 19:1
meaning "God", a reference to God's power and might.
ADONAI - Malachi 1:6
meaning "Lord", a reference to the Lordship of God.
JEHOVAH--YAHWEH - Genesis 2:4
a reference to God's divine salvation.
JEHOVAH-MACCADDESHEM - Exodus 31:13
meaning "The Lord thy sanctifier"
JEHOVAH-ROHI - Psalm 23:1
meaning "The Lord my shepherd"
JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH - Ezekiel 48:35
meaning "The Lord who is present"
JEHOVAH-RAPHA - Exodus 15:26
meaning "The Lord our healer"
JEHOVAH-TSIDKENU - eremiah 23:6
meaning "The Lord our righteousness"
JEHOVAH-JIREH - Genesis 22:13-14
meaning "The Lord will provide"
JEHOVAH-NISSI - Exodus 17:15
meaning "The Lord our banner"
JEHOVAH-SHALOM - Judges 6:24
meaning "The Lord is peace"
JEHOVAH-SABBAOTH - Isaiah 6:1-3
meaning "The Lord of Hosts"
JEHOVAH-GMOLAH - eremiah 51:6
meaning "The God of Recompense"
EL-ELYON - Genesis 14:17-20,Isaiah 14:13-14
meaning "The most high God
EL-ROI - Genesis 16:13
meaning "The strong one who sees"
EL-SHADDAI - Genesis 17:1,Psalm 91:1
meaning "The God of the mountains or God Almighty"
EL-OLAM - Isaiah 40:28-31
meaning "The everlasting God"

ABBA - Romans 8:15
ADVOCATE - I John 2:1 (kjv)
ALMIGHTY - Genesis 17:1
ALPHA - Revelation 22:13
AMEN - Revelation 3:14
ANCIENT OF DAYS - Daniel 7:9
ANOINTED ONE - Psalm 2:2
APOSTLE - Hebrews 3:1
ARM OF THE LORD - Isaiah 53:1
AUTHOR OF LIFE - Acts 3:15
AUTHOR OF OUR FAITH - Hebrews 12:2

BEGINNING - Revelation 21:6
BLESSED & HOLY RULER - 1 Timothy 6:15
BRANCH - Jeremiah 33:15
BREAD OF GOD - John 6:33
BREAD OF LIFE - John 6:35
BRIDEGROOM - Isaiah 62:56
BRIGHT MORNING STAR - Revelation 22:16

CHIEF SHEPHERD - 1 Peter 5:4
CHOSEN ONE - Isaiah 42:1
CHRIST - Matthew 22:42
CHRIST OF GOD - Luke 9:20
CHRIST THE LORD - Luke 2:11
CHRIST, SON OF LIVING GOD - Matthew 16:16
COMFORTER - John 14:26(kjv)
COMMANDER - Isaiah 55:4
CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL - Luke 2:25
CONSUMING FIRE - Deut. 4:24, Heb. 12:29
CORNERSTONE - Isaiah 28:16
COUNSELOR - Isaiah 9:6
CREATOR - 1 Peter 4:19

DELIVERER - Romans 11:26
DESIRED OF ALL NATIONS - Haggai 2:7
DOOR - John 10:7(kjv)

END - Revelation 21:6
ETERNAL GOD - Deut. 33:27
EVERLASTING FATHER - Isaiah 9:6

FAITHFUL & TRUE - Revelation 19:11
FAITHFUL WITNESS - Revelation 1:5
FATHER - Matthew 6:9
FIRSTBORN - Rom.8:29, Rev.1:5, Col.1:15
FIRSTFRUITS - 1 Cor.15:20-23
FOUNDATION - 1 Cor. 3:11
FRIEND OF TAX COLLECTORS & SINNERS - Matthew 11:19

GENTLE WHISPER - 1 Kings 19:12
GIFT OF GOD - John 4:10
GLORY OF THE LORD - Isaiah 40:5
GOD - Genesis 1:1
GOD ALMIGHTY - Genesis 17:1
GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5
GOD WHO SEES ME - Genesis 16:13
GOOD SHEPHERD - John 10:11
GREAT HIGH PRIEST - Hebrews 4:14
GREAT SHEPHERD - Hebrews 13:20
GUIDE - Psalm 48:14

HEAD OF THE BODY - Colossians 1:18
HEAD OF THE CHURCH - Ephesians 5:23
HEIR OF ALL THINGS - Hebrews 1:2
HIGH PRIEST - Hebrews 3:1
HIGH PRIEST FOREVER - Hebrews 6:20
HOLY ONE - Acts 2:27
HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL - Isaiah 49:7
HOLY SPIRIT - John 15:26
HOPE - Titus 2:13
HORN OF SALVATION - Luke 1:69

I AM - Exodus 3:14, John 8:58
IMAGE OF GOD - 2 Cor. 4:4
IMAGE OF HIS PERSON - Hebrews 1:3 (kjv)
IMMANUEL - Isaiah 7:14

JEALOUS - Exodus 34:14 (kjv)
JEHOVAH - Psalm 83:18 (kjv)
JESUS - Matthew 1:21
JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD - Romans 6:23
JUDGE - Isaiah 33:22, Acts 10:42

KING - Zechariah 9:9
KING ETERNAL - 1 Timothy 1:17
KING OF KINGS - 1 Timothy 6:15
KING OF THE AGES - Revelation 15:3

LAMB OF GOD - John 1:29
LAST ADAM - 1 Cor. 15:45
LAWGIVER - Isaiah 33:22
LEADER - Isaiah 55:4
LIFE - John 14:6
LIGHT OF THE WORLD - John 8:12
LIKE AN EAGLE - Deut. 32:11
LILY OF THE VALLEYS - Song 2:1
LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH - Revelation 5:5
LIVING STONE - 1 Peter 2:4
LIVING WATER - John 4:10
LORD - John 13:13
LORD GOD ALMIGHTY - Revelation 15:3
LORD JESUS CHRIST - 1 Cor. 15:57
LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36
LORD OF GLORY - 1 Cor. 2:8
LORD OF HOSTS - Haggai 1:5
LORD OF LORDS - 1 Tim. 6:15
LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS - Jeremiah 23:6
LOVE - 1 John 4:8

MAN OF SORROWS - Isaiah 53:3
MASTER - Luke 5:5
MEDIATOR - 1 Timothy 2:5
MERCIFUL GOD - Jeremiah 3:12
MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT - Malachi 3:1
MESSIAH - John 4:25
MIGHTY GOD - Isaiah 9:6
MIGHTY ONE - Isaiah 60:16

NAZARENE - Matthew 2:23

OFFSPRING OF DAVID - Revelation 22:16
OMEGA - Revelation 22:13
ONLY BEGOTTEN SON - John 1:18(kjv)
OUR PASSOVER LAMB - 1 Cor. 5:7
OUR PEACE - Ephesians 2:14

POTTER - Isaiah 64:8
POWER OF GOD - 1 Cor. 1:24
PRINCE OF PEACE - Isaiah 9:6
PROPHET - Acts 3:22
PURIFIER - Malachi 3:3

RABBONI/TEACHER - John 20:16
RADIANCE OF GOD'S GLORY - Heb.1:3
REDEEMER - Job 19:25
REFINER'S FIRE - Malachi 3:2
RESURRECTION - John 11:25
RIGHTEOUS ONE - 1 John 2:1
ROCK - 1 Cor.10:4
ROOT OF DAVID - Rev. 22:16
ROSE OF SHARON - Song 2:1
RULER OF GOD'S CREATION - Rev. 3:14
RULER OVER KINGS OF EARTH - Rev 1:5
RULER OVER ISRAEL - Micah 5:2

SAVIOUR - Luke 2:11
SCEPTER OUT OF ISRAEL - Numbers 24:17
SEED - Genesis 3:15
SERVANT - Isaiah 42:1
SHEPHERD OF OUR SOULS - 1Peter 2:25
SHIELD - Genesis 15:1
SON OF DAVID - Matthew 1:1
SON OF GOD - Matthew 27:54
SON OF MAN - Matthew 8:20
SON OF THE MOST HIGH - Luke 1:32
SOURCE - Hebrews 5:9
SPIRIT OF GOD - Genesis 1:2
STAR OUT OF JACOB - Numbers 24:17
STONE - 1 Peter 2:8
SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS - Malachi 4:2

TEACHER - John 13:13
TRUE LIGHT - John 1:9
TRUE WITNESS - Revelation 3:14
TRUTH - John 14:6

VINE - John 15:5

WAY - John 14:6
WISDOM OF GOD - 1 Cor. 1:24
WITNESS - Isaiah 55:4
WONDERFUL - Isaiah 9:6
WORD - John 1:1
WORD OF GOD - Revelation 19:13
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I sincerely appreciate your effort but in reality, none of those are names except Jehovah and Yahweh loosely translated from the Tetragrammaton. (There is that whole "J" issue.) Nope, not names at all but titles and descriptions.

How important is knowing his name? Does he accept incorrect names? Perhaps, I don't emphatically know but I suspect it is of great importance.

Proverbs 30:4 -- Who hath ascended up into heaven, and descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in his garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou knowest?
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Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 26:4 Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Ahh yes... There's the Devil's Servant again. Denying the divinity of the Savior, and separating Him from the Father, even though they are ONE.

Cherry picking verses, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of the plethora of verses that make Christ's divinity clear.

Even the Father commands worship of the Son. And the Father knows better than anyone, that ONLY God is to be worshiped by His people.

You are NOT one of His people. You do not recognize who Yeshua is, and continually seek to diminish from who Christ is.
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They are ONE = they are UNITED


Not "they are the same person"
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They are united as ONE GOD.
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"They" means there are plural gods which is polytheism.
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The Father wants us to worship HIMSELF, IN/THROUGH/BY Jesus, who is THE SPIRIT, AND THE TRUTH.

NOT "worship Jesus, a man, as God."
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God calls Jesus 'God':
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Do you also believe in a "third person of the godhead" called "the Holy Spirit" who also is "God"?

Before we go further I want to know if you are a TRINITARIAN or not.
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"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." 1st John 5:7


Nuff said...
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That verse was added out of thin air.

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God calls Jesus 'God':
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Do you also believe in a "third person of the godhead" called "the Holy Spirit" who also is "God"?

Before we go further I want to know if you are a TRINITARIAN or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76184831




"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." 1st John 5:7


Nuff said...
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That verse was added out of thin air.

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"Even the Scriptures themselves were profaned by their rash and sacrilegious hands. The memorable text, which asserts the unity of the three who bear witness in heaven, is condemned by the universal silence of the orthodox fathers, ancient versions, and authentic manuscripts. It was first alleged by the Catholic bishops whom Hunneric summoned to the conference of Carthage. An allegorical interpretation, in the form, perhaps, of a marginal note, invaded the text of the Latin Bibles, which were renewed and corrected in a dark period of ten centuries." Edward Gibbon, 1776
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I wonder if "the Lord's servant" still believes there are three who bear witness in heaven...
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Glory, praise, and honor to the consubstantial Trinity!

Arianism is heresy

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2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
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Glory, praise, and honor to the consubstantial Trinity!

Arianism is heresy
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Prove it.

You don't even know what Arianism is because all their writings were burned and their people devoured like grass.
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God calls Jesus 'God':
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Do you also believe in a "third person of the godhead" called "the Holy Spirit" who also is "God"?

Before we go further I want to know if you are a TRINITARIAN or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76184831




"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." 1st John 5:7


Nuff said...
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That verse was added out of thin air.

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Peake's Commentary on the Bible, “The famous interpolation after 'three witnesses' is not printed in RSV and rightly [so] . . . No respectable Greek [manuscript] contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th century Latin text, it entered the Vulgate [the 5th-century Latin version, which became the common medieval translation] and finally NT [New Testament] of Erasmus [who produced newly collated Greek texts and a new Latin version in the 16th century].” — (p. 1038)

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties, “This verse has virtually no support among the early Greek manuscripts . . . Its appearance in late Greek manuscripts is based on the fact that Erasmus was placed under ecclesiastical pressure to include it in his Greek NT of 1522, having omitted it in his two earlier editions of 1516 and 1519 because he could not find any Greek manuscripts which contained it.” — (Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, 2008, pp. 540, 541)
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Do you also believe in a "third person of the godhead" called "the Holy Spirit" who also is "God"?

Before we go further I want to know if you are a TRINITARIAN or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76184831




"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one." 1st John 5:7


Nuff said...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77656717


That verse was added out of thin air.

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Peake's Commentary on the Bible, “The famous interpolation after 'three witnesses' is not printed in RSV and rightly [so] . . . No respectable Greek [manuscript] contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th century Latin text, it entered the Vulgate [the 5th-century Latin version, which became the common medieval translation] and finally NT [New Testament] of Erasmus [who produced newly collated Greek texts and a new Latin version in the 16th century].” — (p. 1038)

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties, “This verse has virtually no support among the early Greek manuscripts . . . Its appearance in late Greek manuscripts is based on the fact that Erasmus was placed under ecclesiastical pressure to include it in his Greek NT of 1522, having omitted it in his two earlier editions of 1516 and 1519 because he could not find any Greek manuscripts which contained it.” — (Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, 2008, pp. 540, 541)
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Theology professors Anthony and Richard Hanson, in their book Reasonable Belief: A Survey of the Christian Faith, explain the unwarranted addition to the text this way, “It was added by some enterprising person or persons in the ancient Church who felt that the New Testament was sadly deficient in direct witness to the kind of doctrine of the Trinity which he favoured and who determined to remedy that defect . . . It is a waste of time to attempt to read Trinitarian doctrine directly off the pages of the New Testament.” — (1980, p. 171)

Thomas Nelson and Sons Catholic Commentary, 1951, page 1186, “It is now generally held that this passage, called the Gomma Johanneum, is a gloss that crept into the text of the Old Latin and Vulgate at an early date, but found its way into the Greek text only in the 15th and 16th centuries.”
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I wonder if "the Lord's servant" still believes there are three who bear witness in heaven...
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I wonder if "the Lord's servant" still believes there are three who bear witness in heaven...
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Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:20


GOD himself saved us, see verses below.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luke 1:68

For in him {Christ} dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:8-10

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
I John 5:20

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came to his own, and his own received him not. John 1:10-11

"When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: ‘Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.’" Rev. 1:17

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 -

“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Isaiah 43:10,11

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13

To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. Rev. 2:8,

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim 3:16

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the WORD, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1John 5:7

And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14
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Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:11-20
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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Joh 14:6-9

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

And of some have compassion, making a difference:

And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:21-25
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

"...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I John 1:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

And this is the record, that God hath given
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Glory, praise, and honor to the consubstantial Trinity!

Arianism is heresy
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Prove it.

You don't even know what Arianism is because all their writings were burned and their people devoured like grass.
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I use the label Arianism/Socinianism in the sense that the main tenents of both are the denial of the Trinity/Godhead, and the denial of Christ's divinity.

Arianism: [link to banneroftruth.org (secure)]
2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
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Glory to God in the highest!

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Well what was read and I heard in Mass Today seems fitting to Give glory to the Father of Jesus, as the Psalm

Then what was read from the Gospel in jesus Owns words seems very fitting to

Interesting lots on here are praising and giving glory to their own or others point of view and pride and interpretation rather than giving praise to the father.

"Responsorial Psalm, Psalms 145:10-11, 12-13, 21

10 All your creatures shall thank you, Yahweh, and your faithful shall bless you.

Responce by those at mass
Your friends make known, O Lord, the glorious splendor of your kingdom Alleluia


11 They shall speak of the glory of your kingship and tell of your might,
12 making known your mighty deeds to the children of Adam, the glory and majesty of your kingship.

Responce by those at mass
Your friends make known, O Lord, the glorious splendor of your kingdom Alleluia


13 Your kingship is a kingship for ever, your reign lasts from age to age. Yahweh is trustworthy in all his words, and upright in all his deeds.

Responce by those at mass
Your friends make known, O Lord, the glorious splendor of your kingdom Alleluia


21 My mouth shall always praise Yahweh, let every creature bless his holy name for ever and ever.

Responce by those at mass
Your friends make known, O Lord, the glorious splendor of your kingdom Alleluia
"


Then Our Lord jesus Christ Glorifies his father in the gospel:


Holy Gospel

Gospel Reading: John 14:27-31a

My peace I give to you.

Jesus said to his disciples:
"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you.
Not as the world gives do I give it to you.
Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid.
You heard me tell you,
'I am going away and I will come back to you.'
If you loved me,
you would rejoice that I am going to the Father;
for the Father is greater than I.
And now I have told you this before it happens,
so that when it happens you may believe.
I will no longer speak much with you,
for the ruler of the world is coming.
He has no power over me,
but the world must know that I love the Father
and that I do just as the Father has commanded me."


May GodBles you and Yours

PAX
Pray Hope & Dont Worry
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Besides The Kid and you know who, are any of the rest of those parthenogenesis kids functional?

Can they have a convention?
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Glory, praise, and honor to the consubstantial Trinity!

Arianism is heresy
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Prove it.

You don't even know what Arianism is because all their writings were burned and their people devoured like grass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76906812


I use the label Arianism/Socinianism in the sense that the main tenents of both are the denial of the Trinity/Godhead, and the denial of Christ's divinity.
 Quoting: DREADN0T


“An erroneous charge was circulated that all who were called Arians believed that Christ was a created being. [Footnote: It is doubtful if many believed Christ to be a created being. Generally, those evangelical bodies who opposed the papacy and who were branded as Arians confessed both the divinity of Christ and that He was begotten, not created, by the Father. They recoiled from other extreme deductions and speculations concerning the Godhead.]” — (Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant, p. 92)

“Whether the teachings of Arius were such as are usually represented to us or not, who can say? Phillipus Limborch doubts that Arius himself ever held that Christ was created instead of being begotten [Footnote: Limborch, The History of the Inquisition, page 95].” — (Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant, p. 142)
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Glory, praise, and honor to the consubstantial Trinity!

Arianism is heresy
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Prove it.

You don't even know what Arianism is because all their writings were burned and their people devoured like grass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76906812


I use the label Arianism/Socinianism in the sense that the main tenents of both are the denial of the Trinity/Godhead, and the denial of Christ's divinity.
 Quoting: DREADN0T


“An erroneous charge was circulated that all who were called Arians believed that Christ was a created being. [Footnote: It is doubtful if many believed Christ to be a created being. Generally, those evangelical bodies who opposed the papacy and who were branded as Arians confessed both the divinity of Christ and that He was begotten, not created, by the Father. They recoiled from other extreme deductions and speculations concerning the Godhead.]” — (Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant, p. 92)

“Whether the teachings of Arius were such as are usually represented to us or not, who can say? Phillipus Limborch doubts that Arius himself ever held that Christ was created instead of being begotten [Footnote: Limborch, The History of the Inquisition, page 95].” — (Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Truth Triumphant, p. 142)
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“The three divisions which were plucked up were the Heruli in 493, the Vandals in 534, and the Ostrogoths in 538 A.D. Justinian, the emperor, whose seat was at Constantinople, working through the general Belisarius, was the power which overthrew the three kingdoms represented by the three horns, and the reason for their overthrow was their adherence to Arianism in opposition to the orthodox Catholic faith. The details of the overthrow, and the religious controversy which was the root of the trouble, are fully given by Gibbon in the “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,” — (S.N. Haskell, The Story of Daniel the Prophet, p. 117, 1908) Further, “The contest between Arianism and the orthodox Catholicism was the means of enthroning the papacy.” — (lbid, p. 266)

“Probably more Christians were slaughtered by Christians in these two years (342-3) than by all the persecutions of Christians by pagans in the history of Rome.” — (The Story of Civilization, Vol. 4: The Age of Faith, 1950, p. 8). “...more Christians died for their faith at the hands of fellow Christians than had died before in all the persecutions.” Ramsay MacMullen

“During the middle decades of this century, from 340 to 380, the history of doctrine looks more like the history of court and church intrigues and social unrest ... The central doctrines hammered out in this period often appear to have been put through by intrigue or mob violence rather than by the common consent of Christendom led by the Holy Spirit.” (Heresies: Heresy and Orthodoxy in the History of the Church, 2003, p. 119)

"In 538 A.D, the Arian believers were completely wiped out by the Catholic Church, leaving the Papacy as the sole “Corrector of heretics.” [Heretic = Greek hairetikós (able to choose) ] Anyone opposing the Catholic teaching of the trinity was exterminated, for “The mystery of the trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church.” — (Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11)
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Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world


Thomas E. Gaston, 'The influence of Platonism on the Early Apologists' (Gaston 2009):

"There are clear instances of Platonic influence upon the second century Christian writers. Justin's pupil Tatian uses the same analogies to describe the emanation of the Logos and ascribes the role of interaction with the world to the Holy Spirit, probably because he equates the Spirit with the World-Soul. Athenagoras uses the Platonic terms 'Nous' and 'Logos' to describe the Son, and identifies the Logos with the sum of Forms. Both Athenagoras and Clement of Alexandria quote Plato's Letter to demonstrate the necessity of three principles. From the end of the second century Platonism became engrained in Christian discourse about God. (p. 576,

The influence of Middle Platonism upon the development of Christianity, particularly on the development of the doctrine of God, is undeniable. Despite Paul's warnings about the 'wisdom of the world', Christians found natural allies in the monotheistic Platonists.

However, the influence of Platonism had greater impact than the early apologists could have realised. Not only did they introduce the triadic conception of the God-head but, eventually, the Neo-Platonists would be instrumental in establishing the coequality of the members of the Trinity. (p. 578,
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I use the label Arianism/Socinianism in the sense that the main tenents of both are the denial of the Trinity/Godhead, and the denial of Christ's divinity.

Arianism: [link to banneroftruth.org (secure)]
 Quoting: DREADN0T

Jesus "divinity" is that He is the SON of God. This is stated that 47 times in the KJV.

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Neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are equal to the Father.

The Father SENT Jesus.
The Father SENDS the Holy Spirit.

Tertullian, in the early 3rd century, was the first "church leader" who mentioned the "trinity", "though he noted that the majority of the believers in his day found issue with his doctrine"

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Look up the history of these verses...

Matthew 28:19
1 John 5:7
1 Timothy 3:16
Acts 17:29
Romans 1:20
Colossians 2:9

Here is a list of the people in the Bible who claim that Jesus is the Son of God, and then those who claim that he is God the Son. I will keep it simple and not list the verses that claim that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of Man, or the king of Israel. All these titles are synonymous.

Son of God

God Himself refers to Jesus as His Son: Matthew 2:15, 3:17, 17:5, Mk 1:11, 9:7,Luke 9:35

Jesus says that he is the Son of God: Matthew 26:63, Luke 22:70, John 5:25, 10:36, 19:7

The angel Gabriel says Jesus is the Son of God: Luke 1:35

Peter says that Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 16:16

John the Apostle says Jesus is the Son of God: John 20:31, 1 John 3:23, 4:15, 5:5

All the Apostles say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 14:33, John 6:69

John the Baptist says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:34

John Mark says Jesus is the Son of God: Mark 1:1

Paul says Jesus is the Son of God: Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Hebrews 4:14

Nathanael says Jesus is the Son of God: John 1:49

Demons say Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 8:29, Mark 3:11, 5:7,Luke 4:41, 8:28

The Centurion says Jesus is the Son of God: Matthew 27:54, Mark 15:39
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People in the Bible who say Jesus IS God.

Thomas
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People in the Bible who say Jesus is "God the Son"

Nobody.

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I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name

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