Energy in a tsunami vs. energy in a hydrogen bomb | |
AWESOME User ID: 77589697 Estonia 04/25/2019 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A popular CT says that Russia has built nuclear torpedos for devastating coastal areas by generating a man-made tsunami with an underwater fusion device. Quoting: Tainted Meat Is it possible? Let's compare the energies. [link to www.scrivial.com (secure)] "...huge tsunamis like the Sumatra tsunami,2004 has energy of order 10^17 Joules. Several including National Geographic [Link] and USGS websites states that it is about 20x10^17 Joules, an equivalent of 23,000 bombs, the one that was dropped on Hiroshima. That’s huge! To verify ourselves, we contacted the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and asked them. B.Kelly, from USGS said that there is a slight mistake - it is equivalent to 23,000 bombs that was dropped on Nagasaki (20KiloTNT) not Hiroshima (15kiloTNT)." So, in order to generate a tsunami the size of 2007 Sumatra tsunami, the nuclear device would have to have a yield of 23,000 * 20 kT = 460 MT. The largest fusion device ever detonated was the Tsar bomba with a yield of 50 MT, and a designed maximum yield of 100 MT, and it was bulky as hell. Fusion devices can be scaled up indefinitely by adding more fuel (=hydrogen or its isotopes), but it will increase the size of the device. The yield does not increase in a linear proportion to the amount of fuel, but if we assume that it did, the size of a tsunami generating torpedo would be about ten times the size of the Tsar bomba. That would make it about the size of a modern boomer. Ok, so the size becomes impractical, but of course the "crazy Russians" could have converted their old boomers into remotely controlled tsunami bombs. However, it is not obvious that a nuclear detonation would actually generate a tsunami. Tsunami waveform is special, because it is created by the sea floor lifting up and pushing water up in a linear fashion. Tsunami is not just a surface wave, but it extends from the bottom of the sea to the surface. An underwater nuclear detonation, on the other hand, will create a superhot bubble of vaporized water (the vaporization will actually eat up a lot of bomb's energy, but let's ignore it), which will then burst to the surface while the bubble will collapse on itself. Yes, it will generate a wave, but since the initial pressure wave will be radial instead of a linear, followed by a rush of water filling the bubble, the waveform will certainly be different. as a nerd who used to calculate Tjoules for things like asteroid impacts (when I believed in outer space) or crust displacement (the Great Aus Bight displacement would be like a 11.0 mag EQ) this is a great read thank you and 5 stars |
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User ID: 76948143 United States 04/25/2019 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A popular CT says that Russia has built nuclear torpedos for devastating coastal areas by generating a man-made tsunami with an underwater fusion device. Quoting: Tainted Meat Is it possible? Let's compare the energies. [link to www.scrivial.com (secure)] "...huge tsunamis like the Sumatra tsunami,2004 has energy of order 10^17 Joules. Several including National Geographic [Link] and USGS websites states that it is about 20x10^17 Joules, an equivalent of 23,000 bombs, the one that was dropped on Hiroshima. That’s huge! To verify ourselves, we contacted the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and asked them. B.Kelly, from USGS said that there is a slight mistake - it is equivalent to 23,000 bombs that was dropped on Nagasaki (20KiloTNT) not Hiroshima (15kiloTNT)." So, in order to generate a tsunami the size of 2007 Sumatra tsunami, the nuclear device would have to have a yield of 23,000 * 20 kT = 460 MT. The largest fusion device ever detonated was the Tsar bomba with a yield of 50 MT, and a designed maximum yield of 100 MT, and it was bulky as hell. Fusion devices can be scaled up indefinitely by adding more fuel (=hydrogen or its isotopes), but it will increase the size of the device. The yield does not increase in a linear proportion to the amount of fuel, but if we assume that it did, the size of a tsunami generating torpedo would be about ten times the size of the Tsar bomba. That would make it about the size of a modern boomer. Ok, so the size becomes impractical, but of course the "crazy Russians" could have converted their old boomers into remotely controlled tsunami bombs. However, it is not obvious that a nuclear detonation would actually generate a tsunami. Tsunami waveform is special, because it is created by the sea floor lifting up and pushing water up in a linear fashion. Tsunami is not just a surface wave, but it extends from the bottom of the sea to the surface. An underwater nuclear detonation, on the other hand, will create a superhot bubble of vaporized water (the vaporization will actually eat up a lot of bomb's energy, but let's ignore it), which will then burst to the surface while the bubble will collapse on itself. Yes, it will generate a wave, but since the initial pressure wave will be radial instead of a linear, followed by a rush of water filling the bubble, the waveform will certainly be different. Easy way to fix the size problem is to NUKE a target that can CAUSE an undersea landslide...the Gulf of Mexico has several huge cliff faces that could be hit to create a sizeable wave. It would take out the Gulf coasts as well as create a huge pollution problem due to the number of oil rigs there. I'm sure they have thought of the volcano in the Canary Islands that people worry will slide from just natural causes. Let's hope they don't get that wreckless. O'sCookie "Know ONE thing absolutely...and you will UNDERSTAND everything. Walt Whitman "Leaves of Grass" "...Buckle up buttercups cuz this shit is going to go biblical." GLP'er Thread: Update Pg14 2 Trees of Genesis! Alien Covenant Ridley Scott's new Movie: Carries Message on DNA and Ark of the Covenant! Video Thread: Updated: The Radcliffe WAVE Discovered along Milky Way's Dark Rift! Is this LaViolette's Super Wave? Thread: "Founder of Analytical Psychology," Carl Jung Called "Disturbed" Due to His "Red Book!" Video Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, Thread: 2-23-2020 pg. 8 Big Update: The DAVINCI EQUINOX CODE: Ancient Equinox temples were WARNINGS not "celebrations" of the sun." Thread: Disney's TV Series "LOST" MARATHON! Numbers/Script Match Future News! 2018-2020 Target Years. |
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User ID: 76948143 United States 05/27/2019 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A popular CT says that Russia has built nuclear torpedos for devastating coastal areas by generating a man-made tsunami with an underwater fusion device. Quoting: Tainted Meat Is it possible? Let's compare the energies. [link to www.scrivial.com (secure)] "...huge tsunamis like the Sumatra tsunami,2004 has energy of order 10^17 Joules. Several including National Geographic [Link] and USGS websites states that it is about 20x10^17 Joules, an equivalent of 23,000 bombs, the one that was dropped on Hiroshima. That’s huge! To verify ourselves, we contacted the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and asked them. B.Kelly, from USGS said that there is a slight mistake - it is equivalent to 23,000 bombs that was dropped on Nagasaki (20KiloTNT) not Hiroshima (15kiloTNT)." So, in order to generate a tsunami the size of 2007 Sumatra tsunami, the nuclear device would have to have a yield of 23,000 * 20 kT = 460 MT. The largest fusion device ever detonated was the Tsar bomba with a yield of 50 MT, and a designed maximum yield of 100 MT, and it was bulky as hell. Fusion devices can be scaled up indefinitely by adding more fuel (=hydrogen or its isotopes), but it will increase the size of the device. The yield does not increase in a linear proportion to the amount of fuel, but if we assume that it did, the size of a tsunami generating torpedo would be about ten times the size of the Tsar bomba. That would make it about the size of a modern boomer. Ok, so the size becomes impractical, but of course the "crazy Russians" could have converted their old boomers into remotely controlled tsunami bombs. However, it is not obvious that a nuclear detonation would actually generate a tsunami. Tsunami waveform is special, because it is created by the sea floor lifting up and pushing water up in a linear fashion. Tsunami is not just a surface wave, but it extends from the bottom of the sea to the surface. An underwater nuclear detonation, on the other hand, will create a superhot bubble of vaporized water (the vaporization will actually eat up a lot of bomb's energy, but let's ignore it), which will then burst to the surface while the bubble will collapse on itself. Yes, it will generate a wave, but since the initial pressure wave will be radial instead of a linear, followed by a rush of water filling the bubble, the waveform will certainly be different. Not to be a "buzz-kill" but the images below are from sat photos "before" and "after" the 2004 Sumatra Quake/Tsunami. You can check this out at the link below: The cause of the 2004 was a "space-weather-related record-breaking GAMMA RAY BURST." [link to www.etheric.com] This is one really good reason to stay abreast of space weather and the newest info coming out about the space-weather that can have cause-and-effect like the picture from Banda Ache (Sumatra Quake/tsunami 2004.) Just sayin... O'sCookie "Know ONE thing absolutely...and you will UNDERSTAND everything. Walt Whitman "Leaves of Grass" "...Buckle up buttercups cuz this shit is going to go biblical." GLP'er Thread: Update Pg14 2 Trees of Genesis! Alien Covenant Ridley Scott's new Movie: Carries Message on DNA and Ark of the Covenant! Video Thread: Updated: The Radcliffe WAVE Discovered along Milky Way's Dark Rift! Is this LaViolette's Super Wave? Thread: "Founder of Analytical Psychology," Carl Jung Called "Disturbed" Due to His "Red Book!" Video Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, Thread: 2-23-2020 pg. 8 Big Update: The DAVINCI EQUINOX CODE: Ancient Equinox temples were WARNINGS not "celebrations" of the sun." Thread: Disney's TV Series "LOST" MARATHON! Numbers/Script Match Future News! 2018-2020 Target Years. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599717 Mexico 05/27/2019 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, somehow, somewhere you are FULL OF IT. TOTALLY. BECAUSE: Earthquakes are measured for their seismic yield, and nukes are also rated for their seismic yield. <b>Seismic yield is a perfect, immutable reference, that bypasses whatever crap math you did.</b></p><p> Tsar Bomba, the reduced power version that was set off, at 45 megatons, was worth an 8.7 earthquake. <b>If an earthquake is what sets off a tsunami, the net energy in the tsunami cannot exceed that of the quake that caused it.</b></p><p> Add losses such as ground shaking and harmonics, and no earthquake can trigger a tsunami that has more than a few percent of the total seismic yield in it's energy. The ultimate for making tsunamis would be a nuke, which can drop ALL of it's energy directly into the water with few losses. So why this backhanded effort to debunk nuclear tsunamis? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599717 Mexico 05/27/2019 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, somehow, somewhere you are FULL OF IT. TOTALLY. BECAUSE: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599717 Earthquakes are measured for their seismic yield, and nukes are also rated for their seismic yield. <b>Seismic yield is a perfect, immutable reference, that bypasses whatever crap math you did.</b></p><p> Tsar Bomba, the reduced power version that was set off, at 45 megatons, was worth an 8.7 earthquake. <b>If an earthquake is what sets off a tsunami, the net energy in the tsunami cannot exceed that of the quake that caused it.</b></p><p> Add losses such as ground shaking and harmonics, and no earthquake can trigger a tsunami that has more than a few percent of the total seismic yield in it's energy. The ultimate for making tsunamis would be a nuke, which can drop ALL of it's energy directly into the water with few losses. So why this backhanded effort to debunk nuclear tsunamis? THE ABOVE IS WHY "THEY" WANT COMMON CORE, WITH TRADITIONAL EDUCATION ERASED, BECAUSE ANYONE WITH A REAL EDUCATION CAN CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE CRAP. |
Hermit 48
User ID: 38339478 Canada 05/27/2019 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Operation Hartack Umbrela, 1958, test 150 ft underwater, 8 kT yield caused a small tsunami. This test was performed with 8kt bomb, mosquito bite comparing with 200 megatons Russian Poseidon termonuclear cobalt enriched warhead/ 25,000 times more powerful. 1 megaton=1000 kt , 200,000KT divide by 8= 25,000 Last Edited by Hermit 48 on 05/27/2019 10:53 AM |
Otter Woodman
User ID: 75550334 United States 05/27/2019 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if a high yield weapon is dropped in an active fault line, like a hot spot in the ring of fire. They could expect the blast to possibly excite the displacement energy of the fault an trigger an actual crust displacement. Ive heard this was being worked from Direct Energy Weapons as well. With a DEW there is no finger print other than a bright Green, Purple, even Red beam of light from the sky. Like what was observed in the California "Wild" Fires Otter Woodman |