The Rapture and the Coming Darkness.

I make their denial and deception undeniable even to themselves first...

Can I be any clearer Aussie?

To what end?

Its the Holy Sprits job to convict...not ours.

His word cannot return void.

So...speak THE word...and let the power OF that word do the hard work FOR you.

This is your True belief system?!

What God do you think this is of?

It is not the God of The Bible.

3643297, Why did Jesus Christ die?

He died for you.

Why?

Hey, um, George HW Bush is dead. How can he be the antichrist if he's in the grave pushing up daisies?

Do you think his death and funeral were faked by some conspiracy?

Or do you think he will come back from the dead and claw his way out of his grave?

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I see you are using the catholic bible to quote from. And you are quoting the Kybalion too? That's not very catholic of you. Are you an anti-Semite gnostic? Which secret societies do you belong to? Are you a jesuit?

Cute

Maranatha!

There is one thing I know to be true for me at least, that I cannot stay in the Holy Presence of Almighty God and the Holy Spirit if I whine and complain about how evil this world is..

No it is not.

Sadly, that's what most people think.

And they have the audacity to compare themselves against others "Well, I'm better than that person...", as if that is an accurate measure of "good" to a holy, divine and perfect God. That is how a child would behave with a sibling when they are both in trouble.

No one is worthy to go to heaven. And no one can earn their way there either.

Sin even once and we are disqualified, as we are no longer perfect. Only God, His Son Yahshua(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit is perfect. We cannot hide or overcome our imperfection.

But we can repent, ask forgiveness, and have faith that God found a way for us to rejoin His immortal family, through His saving grace and sacrifice of His Son Yahshua to pay the price for our sins, so that we may be saved.

It's a faith question. It always has been.

Careful, someone might accuse you of 'escapism', lol.

Maranatha!

Thanks

As the Mexican's say: "Things happen when they happen."

And many Christians have seen plenty of War, Chaos, Famine and destruction. What do you think the words "Thy Kingdom come" in the Lord's prayer mean? The Tribulation is for those who disobey the Lord. It seems to me that what it really comes down to: is that you know that your own fate does not look good, as long as you continue to follow your own wicked ways. And what really bothers you is that we will not be here to share the hell on earth that you and many millions of other people have helped to bring about. Even now you still have a little time left to accept the Lord...don't waste it.

Mark my words, when you're dying you'll see how nonsense was all that drivel about religion. How many wasted words, energy. I hope all you poor misguided by dogma souls will see then... go on wait for your rapture, it will be a fruitless time. Might as well go live in a convent :)
I doubt God would even let you in to your heaven since you support murder and war no?
Hypocrites never cease to amaze me..... holy moly I am so holy heh God must be face-palming the shit out of his forehead looking at religions

I don't deny such a doctrine exists and that it has many followers. As I read more on that theme the less it used references from the Bible, let alone whole passages. When something is examined closely the 'conclusion' can be quite long and involve many references. The 1st verse in 2Thess:2 is referencing a 'gathering' which is also the term used earlier so that passage also has to be taken into account before that term can even be defined properly. That passage says the people in the grave will be resurrected to life before anybody alive is gathered. Resurrection from the grave is not something the NWO pushes, let alone it being the cornerstone of a doctrine.
The NWO version is something men can put together, the Bible's version includes immortals who cannot be killed by any means. This would the 'NWO' in that version. Their rise to power is the day the 5th trump sounds, they are destroyed 3 1/2 years later just after the two witnesses are resurrected from the literal grave.

Re:17:12:
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Re:18:19:
And they cast dust on their heads,
and cried,
weeping and wailing,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city,
wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness!
for in one hour is she made desolate.

'That city' is from the 2Thess:2 prophecy about Satan (the original sinner) and it is Jerusalem during the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses are resurrected


When the whole passage is considered it would seem that it is 2 prophecies that have to unfold, falling away from the truth and Satan sitting on a throne that is standing on holy ground in Jerusalem. The 'falling away was completed before Rome lost control of Jerusalem in 450AD. The original Bible had been translated into Latin. The 2nd prophecy can only take place during the time the two witnesses are in the grave as they would have prevented that act from taking place when they were alive. The start 4 days before Satan is given 42 months to change the world back into what it was like on the day the flood began. It killed the children of fallen angels, the fallen angels were put into the same location we call call hell. They will all be released to test mankind at the end of the 1,000 year reign.


'Anti-christ' would be the 10 men given kingdoms and the people that were loyal to them. The 7 vials sorts the good from the bad, even after 3 1/2 years of the two witnesses 'doing things' the ratio of sinners too believers is 2/3. The vision in Da:7 suggests that 1/10 kings conquerors 3 of the 10 kingdoms so that man would be the most powerful man on earth on the day Jesus returns. He would also still be a servant to the Beast from the Bottomless Pit as that is a fallen angel that was put there during the flood. The 10,000 saints in Jude and referenced by Moses are the same holy angels that put the fallen angels into the Pit in the first place. Getting to reign again is how the head wound is healed. All the heads are taken when Jesus sends it to the fiery lake. The False Prophet is also sent there at the same time. The 200M angelic horsemen are killed by Jesus and their bones are gathered and buried and their destruction is at the same time Satan's. The leader of the 200M would be promoted as 'Jesus with the armies of heaven behind him'. That is who the fallen angel known as 'the False Prophet' and it's fate is the same as all fallen angels, the fiery lake. The closest any men come to that fate is being in hell with fallen angels until they are taken away to be executed by God.

How does your version differ from the mine?


There is an explanation for all of that, it references a few long passages so it is long which means it is very detailed about what does and what does not happen, in the real version.


No, on a lot of levels, lol.

If these two verses are companion verse there is a lot of text that applies to what was said in the past.

2Th:2:5:
Remember ye not,
that,
when I was yet with you,
I told you these things?
Lu:24:27:
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
De:4:29-31:
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.


Being gathered is the start of something that is changed. It is based in this being a starting point and if that become real what is said about what comes after is also real. Sleep means death is the blink of an eye for most people. Job is comforted by knowing that all that Satan took from him would be replaced by resurrection rather that a substitute is supplied.

Ti:2:13:
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Job:14:14-15:
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

I don't see anything that says if you die a sinner you suffer a different fate. It means you remain in the grave until the Great White Throne event at the end of the 1,000 year reign rather than being woken up at the start of it. That 'small gap' is the difference in who will be a shepherd and who will belong to 'the flock', both are in the 'Kingdom of God'.

Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.

Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

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The Bible is a book of prophecy and some of them have been fulfilled in literal ways. How does a believer, such as yourself' expect to overcome something that prophecy has put into place.
Some people are destined to die from the 7 vials and be sent to the grave whole still awake. Dying any other way means you go to sleep and wake up at the start or end of the 1,000 year reign.
The ratio is even given, so is why they were sent there. God is known to harden a heart so His will is done, as Pharaoh knows all too well. During their time in hell they witness some thing no other person will and they still have a place with the living after the new earth starts. You can be correct to say somebody is 'not yet gathered', you cannot say some person 'will never be gathered' without making yourself the last person to be gathered.

The delusion from 2Thess:2 would be why they are children of the darkness rather than children of the light.

Isa:65:1-3:
I am sought of them that asked not for me;
I am found of them that sought me not:
I said,
Behold me,
behold me,
unto a nation that was not called by my name.
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people,
which walketh in a way that was not good,
after their own thoughts;
A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face;
that sacrificeth in gardens,
and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Isa:65:11-14:
But ye are they that forsake the LORD,
that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for that troop,
and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
Isa:65:21-25: And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

The 'servants' will live in Jerusalem as this is New Jerusalem from Re:21 that is in this passage. The Flock are given in marriage and they have many children, the 'shepherds' are like angels, they are not given in marriage so their population remains static in the new earth era.

Do I lose points with God if my net comes up empty all the time??

Ephesians 2:6 "God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus"

Colossians 3:1 "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory"

Revelation 11:11-13
11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rapture never exist before America was found, and it was from Evangelicalism, another Romans Catholic breakaway schism via Protestant.

They was trying to replace great Tribulation, and when found out that there was two great Tribulations..

.. guess what they did?.. they called it pre-tribulation.

Yep, they are mankind for there is commom sense in them who wanted to TAKE THEIRS BODY WITH THEM IN THE RAPTURE!.

When "judeth" whoever they are are forced to acknowledge the trouble they put us through all these YEARS of rapture lies... I don't even want to be there to see that! Repent Judeth! Wash your robes in the blood of the Lamb.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

1 Cor 8:6
And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.








There is no "third person" called "the Holy Spirit" who is not Jesus.

Here's an interesting Chick illustrated tract about how some believers in the 19th Century west tried to understand these days that you are referring to.

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There is no rapture beloved... two things were possible for this world by the celestial government.. removal of the good guys or removed of the dark brotherhood. The dark brotherhood will be fully removed and there will never be a dark brother on this world again. Only folks who are sons of God.. being at least 5d consciousness will be here...

During the removal there will a time of stasis.. during which life will SLEEP for a couple weeks or so which everything is being done...

Rev 11:11-13

Is the end of the world. The second resurrection. "The rapture" of all the saints to Jesus.


When we are separated from the wicked forever and they are destroyed.

FALSE.

there is no rapture event for crprantians.... but there is a rapture/resurrection event for those who belong to GOD's only begotten son Jesus.

The "dark shits" in service to satan of nebadon are not removed. They stay here and serve satan of nebadon's antichrist during the 7 year tribulation period.

no "stasis" that is made up junk.

Here is "the rapture" in Rev 11:12 in red:

Revelation 11:11-13
11 But after the three and a half days the breath[a] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.



Now please show where this supposed "7 year bondage to Satan" occurs (which I underlined in your post), after the rapture.

Ni such thing as rupture. Nowhere to be found in the bible. It is false teaching. Our salvation lies in redirection the bible teaches. No one other than Jesus had ever gone to heaven.
Look up Unlearn the lie’ this guy breaks it down very well.

Hi Boloney, funnily enough I was just wondering what the heck that poster was on about. There sure are some weird beliefs floating around nowadays.