The Rapture and the Coming Darkness.

Correct!
We are the Bride of Christ, Jesus is NOT a wife beater!

agreed.

Its really so simple a child can understand it.

Those who accepted the free gift of salvation through Christ go up in the rapture/resurrection even....both living and dead.

Those who rejected it, were fence sitting, or who mocked it with new-age junk like urantia will be left behind.

Those left behind will still have the opportunity to come to Christ, but it will be much harder, and many will end up marytrs as satan's antichrist comes to power for the tribulation period.

Last Edited by Baloney on 05/21/2019 02:23 PM

Wrong, you have no idea who Paul is or what he taught.

Still waiting for you to show the supposed "7 year bondage to satan" after the rapture (resurrection) in Scripture.

That sure is one whacky belief.

The people that heard that sermon are all on the grave at the moment.

1Th:4:14:
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

2Th:1:6-7:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

we don't need "the devil" to recognize mental retardation.

Daniel's 70th Week
The Time of Jacob's Troubles
The first 3.5 yrs + the 2nd 3.5 yrs
...

There is no rapture
None
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Its called wishful thinking
X....

The simulation ends on 12.21.19. Tribulation started 12.21.12
By 2020 all 144,000 will see with 20/20 vision

Notre Dame = Our lady of the north

N14
D4
144,000

1 day after 4.14 it burned

The matrix is coming to an end and the 144,000 will be returned to eden. Psalm 91

The word 'rapture' is not listed in the English bible. But it is listed in the Latin Vulgate bible, written by Jerome in the early 400's AD. The word there is ‘rapiemur‘, 'raeptius' or 'rapturo' , which translated into English means 'rapture'. It is found here in the English bible:

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be *caught up* together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

In English bibles, 'raeptius' or 'rapturo' is transliterated into 'caught up'. That happens sometimes during the translation process to try to communicate the point more familiarly.

The original Thessalonian manuscripts however were written in Greek. There were actually no 'English' words at all in the original bibles, including the word 'bible' itself. And the original Greek word for 'rapture' is listed in English script as 'harpazo', which means 'to rapture up into the air', or to 'snatch away'.

It was this original Greek term 'harpazo' that Jerome later translated into Latin as 'raptus' or 'raeptius', which was later translated into English as 'rapture'. These terms all mean the same thing: 'to be caught up'.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
[link to www.raptureready.com]

Of course there's a rapture, for the bible clearly states that there will be one in:

"13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words." - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17,

among other places.

Elijah was raptured.
Ezekial was raptured.
Yahshua(Jesus) was raptured.
Those who rose from their graves on the same day as Yahshua were probably raptured.
Both the apostles John & Paul went up to or saw heaven, either spiritually or physically.

Raptures have happened in the past, and they will happen again in the future.

The million dollar question then is "When will the next one, the one for all true Christians, happen?" And therein lies the most speculation and controversy.

Not a single scripture reference was shown that day.


You need to show Scriptural proof of this so-called "seven year period of bondage to Satan", which, supposedly takes place AFTER the resurrection at the end of the world.

The Tribulation is not about to be completed because certain events have not happened yet:

1. The pre-trib rapture of true Christians.
2. The antichrist is revealed.
3. The antichrist confirms a 7 yr covenant, thought to be the signing of a 7 yr peace treaty, with Israel.
4. The 7 seal judgments have not happened yet.
5. The 7 trumpet judgments have not happened yet.
6. The 7 vial/bowl judgments have not happened yet.
7. The 3rd Temple has not been built yet.
8. The Abomination of Desolation has not happened yet.
9. The Mark of the Beast has not been instituted yet.
10. The Battle of Gog/Magog has not happened yet.
...

There is much to transpire before the Tribulation ends.

And there is a rapture to happen before it begins.

The only rupture going on is in ma shorts after some soft tacos from the border.

Stop quoting me.

There ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone.

The Scripture you posted IN YOUR OWN POST reveals that it takes place at the last trumpet (at the end of the world).

Pre-trib rapture-tards conveniently overlook it.

".... we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord,
.... the Lord Himself will descend from heaven..... with the trumpet of God,
..... will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17,

“ Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:30-31

“Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.” First Corinthians 15:51-53





AT THE LAST TRUMPET. AT THE END OF THE WORLD.

Concerning the 7 years of the Tribulation:

Here are some references:

Trouble or Tribulation- Zephaniah 1:1
Day of the Lord- Isaiah 2:12
The Great Tribulation- (2nd half of the 7 yrs) Matthew 24:21
Time/Day of Trouble- Daniel 12:1
Time of Jacob's Trouble- Jeremiah 30:7
Daniel's 70th Week- Daniel 9:24-27
1st 3.5 yrs- Daniel 9:27
2nd 3.5 yrs- Revelation 13:5, Daniel 7:25
7 yrs- Revelation 11:2-3
Midpoint of the 7 yr Tribulation- Daniel 12:11-12
Extra time at the end:
-Time for the judgement of the nations- Daniel 12:12, Matthew 25:31-46
-Time to set up the Millennial Kingdom- Revelation 20: 4-6

www dot gotquestions dot org slash tribulation dot html

It's common for some people to think that all the trumpets of the End Times happen all at once, but that's simply not the case.

The trumpet at the rapture is not the same as the trumpet at the 2nd Coming, and neither of those are the same as the 7 trumpet judgments. And none of those are the same as the annual trumpet blasts that will take place annually during Christ's Millennial Kingdom afterward. You see, the "End of the World" as you seem to perceive it is not REALLY the End of the World. There is more yet to come.

More at this link: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)]

Too much error to respond to.

I can't wait for the lies to stop...

Liar. "The rapture" (the resurrection) happens at the last trumpet, at the end of the world.

There are not "multiple last trumpets".

LIAR! How much longer will God suffer you to SPEAK?

The Apostle Paul, who wrote the books of Thessalonians and Corinthians, wrote them (which speak of the 'Last Trump' resurrection, translation & rapture) wrote them about 40 years before Yahshua(Jesus) revealed the book of Revelation to the Apostle John in exile on Patmos.

Neither Paul nor his churches at the time of his letters were even aware of the 7 trumpet judgments of Revelation, including the "Last Trump" of Revelation that would come much later. That's was John's late prophecy, not Paul's.

How could Paul be speaking of something that was not revealed to man for another 4 decades? In fact, Paul was martyred about 20-23 or so years before Yahshua revealed the 7 trumpet judgments to John. Paul couldn't have been talking about the 7th trumpet because he had no knowledge of it.

Yes as in you will soon enough be wishing and thinking that you where such a fool to stand there mocking and jeering while all the time disaster was hurtling down upon you...and you could have escaped it all.

And wont YOU feel the fool...cause you ARE a fool...when tshtf and you will have to..shock horror...suffer and perhaps die for your faith.

Like thousands and thousands of christians around the world are doing RIGHT NOW.

You have never suffered for anything yet...let alone your faith.

And you spend all your fat lazy unlersecuted time spreading LIES.

Sux to be you on that day.

You evil wicked person.

Stop

Do you contest the fact that the Apostle Paul wrote the books of Thessalonians?

Here is another perspective on the understanding that the rapture trumpet in Corinthians & Thessalonians was not the 7th trumpet of Revelation:

beginningandend.com/the-last-trump-of-the-rapture-explained/​

It should help with understanding the differences.

Please continue.

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture View

When dealing with doctrinal issues, sometimes some truths are right there in the Bible in front of our noses, and it's easy for us to understand them. Other truths are more challenging and require us to look at the whole chapter, book, or bible in order to fully grasp the concepts. When any one verse dealing with a particular doctrinal issue appears to stand apart from other similar truths, we should suspect that there may be an interpretive or possibly a translational issue involved that needs further research. I believe the doctrine of the rapture is one such difficult truth.

The word 'rapture' is not listed in the English bible. But it is listed in the Latin Vulgate bible, written by Jerome in the early 400's AD. The word there is ‘rapiemur‘, 'raeptius' or 'rapturo' , which translated into English means 'rapture'. It is found here in the English bible:

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be *caught up* together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

In English bibles, ‘rapiemur‘,'raeptius' or 'rapturo' is transliterated into 'caught up'. That happens sometimes during the translation process to try to communicate the point more familiarly.

The original Thessalonian manuscripts however were written in Greek. There were actually no 'English' words at all in the original bibles, including the word 'bible' itself. And the original Greek word for 'rapture' is listed in English script as 'harpazo', which means 'to rapture up into the air', or to 'snatch away'.

It was this original Greek term 'harpazo' that Jerome later translated into Latin as 'raptus' or 'raeptius', which was later translated into English as 'rapture'. These terms all mean the same thing: 'to be caught up'.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
[link to www.raptureready.com]

Below are some reasons I believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine is likely to be the most Biblically accurate view:

1. Imminency. We're supposed to look, watch, and wait for Yahshua(Jesus') imminent return. Nothing has to happen before Yahshua(Jesus) returns for us. (1 Thes. 5: 4-6, 2 Thes. 3:5, 1 Cor. 1:7; Phil. 3:20-21; 1 Thes. 1:10; Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; 1 Peter 1:13; Jude 21) The non-Pre-Trib positions ALL require certain things to happen 1st before Yahshua(Jesus) can return. Things like the Antichrist's 7 yr peace treaty with Israel, the rebuilding of the Hebrew Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount right on or next to the Muslim Dome of the Rock, the 7 Seals of Judgment, etc. These things destroy imminency. 

[link to www.sequenceofprophecy.com]

2. Dispensation of the Tribulation. The Bible states that Daniel's 70th Week/Tribulation/Great Tribulation/Time of Jacob's Trouble/Day of the Lord/Wrath of God are all things related to God's dealing with Israel getting ready to restore it back to His grace. (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11; Ezek. 20:22-44; 22:13-22) This is not a time for the Church, but a time for "those who dwell on the earth"- meaning non-Christians. (Rev. 3:10; 6:10; 8:13; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14; 17:2, 8)

3. Dispensation of the Church. The Church is promised to be taken up to the Father's House. (John 14:1-3 Compare this verse with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) How can that be if the Church remains here on earth thru the 2nd Coming? Going up to meet Yahshua(Jesus) in the air at the moment He's coming down to finish off the Antichrist and his armies is not the same as the Church going up to heaven. There is no mention of Yahshua(Jesus) going back to heaven in the Bible after His 2nd Coming. And I don't think He's going to open heaven and come down with all His angels just to pick up the Church in the air, then do a mid-flight U-turn & go back up to heaven. Then grab some horses and linens for the Church. Then do another U-turn and come back immediately to finish off the Antichrist. The Bible doesn't say that.

Also the Church is a Mystery. (Eph. 3:1-13; 2:11-22) That means a new Truth has just been revealed. The Old Testament prophets knew nothing about it or it's role in God's plan. But they did know a lot about the Tribulation period. This is further evidence that the two ages: the Old Testament Israel era & the New Testament Church era will not overlap. Right now, the Hebrews and Gentiles are co-mingled in the Church, (Eph. 2-3) but this can't be when you look at God's 70 Weeks program for Israel in Daniel. The two must be separated prior to the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week, which is the beginning of the 7 year Tribulation.

The Church has also been promised deliverance from the TIME of God's wrath. That means, "out of the time period" of the Tribulation. (1 Thes. 1:9-10; 5:9; Rev. 3:10)

4. Time Gap Needed. A time period is needed in heaven to handle some things that will take place with the Church after the rapture.

The Judgment Seat of Christ (or 'Bema' in Greek) needs to happen to Christians in the Church in heaven before they return with Yahshua(Jesus) to the Battle of Armageddon. (2 Corinthians 5:10) This is when they get their rewards for good Christian service (or not)

The Bride of Christ (the true Assembly(Church) has to be in heaven to get ready for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb(Revelation 19:7-10) as I mentioned earlier. They can't do this if they don't go up to heaven before the 2nd Coming.

The 24 Elders around the Throne in heaven appear to be very representative of the Church. If this is so, the Church must be in heaven prior to the opening of the 1st Seal of the Scroll of the Tribulation- the opening kick-off if you will. (Revelation 4:1-5:14) In the New Testament, the elders represent the Church. (Acts 15:6; 20:28) In the Old Testament, the elders were always 24 in number, and appointed by King David to represent the entire priesthood. In Yahshua(Jesus') new Millennial Kingdom, Christians will assume the title of the Priesthood. (Revelation 20:6)

Where are all the mortals? If all the Christians are raptured up at the 2nd Coming of Christ, who will be left to re-populate the earth during the Millennial Kingdom? All the bad guys will be gone because of the Battle of Armageddon and the Wheat & Tares/Sheep & Goats Judgment. Raptured Christians will have immortal bodies and will no longer pro-create. (sorry) But the Bible clearly states that there will be mortal Christians who survived the cataclysm and who would carry on mortal life on earth. (Isa. 65:20-25). And, the Wheat & Tares/Sheep & Goats Judgment would also be impossible if all the good guys were already raptured. There would be no need for a separation of the two groups of mortals. This is an impossible situation for the Post-Tribulation Rapture proponents.

5. The Presence of the Holy Spirit. The 'man of lawlessness'/Antichrist/beast is said to be held back for now. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12) The 'restrainer of evil'/Holy Spirit (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8) is at work in the Church right now and will leave with it in the Pre-Trib rapture. This will then free the Antichrist to unleash his demonic power on the world soon after, which is the first Seal of Judgment to be opened in heaven after the rapture. The Pre-Trib view is the only view that can work here.

first only those in Oklachomah :racist5:

A huge number of Christians have died in the Lord over the last nearly 2,000 years. Many of them have suffered awful persecution, but also a great many have only suffered a little, or perhaps hardly at all. Excepting the temptations of life that the devil throws at us. Obviously no one knows the future, but persecution unto death is not actually a prerequisite for salvation.

Apart from that (1) who are you to say what I have or have not suffered, you do not know me personally. (2) So what's with all the spiteful comments. You sound like a Satanist to me.