Elizabeth Holmes of THERANOS--Criminal or Crusader? And...The "Machine that goes BING!"

A little harsh...a little sad.



Well...It isn't over for the COURTS...That is
yet to play out in the public eye--and we may
be surprised to learn more than just what the NEGATIVE
PRESS wish us to know about Elizabeth and Theranos.

Just a little experiment...

Google as many ways to find out ANY MEDIA MATERIAL
ON ELIZABETH HOLMES...any way you wish to phrase it
...and SEE for yourself if there is even ONE SINGLE
VOICE that is being aired which may be POSITIVE to
Elizabeth's case. I doubt very much if you will find
even one single article. (I should know as I have been
doing my own "experiment" searching for a rebuttal to
the HBO documentary on Theranos/Holmes for at least
a MONTH!...There is NO REBUTTAL--PERIOD.

Now, there's an old phrase from the Shakespearean Era
that goes something like this:

"Thou PROTESTETH too much!"

By doing an "over kill" on a one-sided story, you will
ultimately reveal that there's "something FISHY" about
the whole story and the way it is being presented to the
masses.

I challenge anyone who thinks they have "made up their
minds about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos" to SEARCH FOR
POSITIVE ARTICLES/VIDEOS! They aren't there!


O'sCookie



Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 07/05/2019 11:58 AM

was a con from day one she was a bullshitter and there were some heavy hitters on the board who didnt do their dd and let her run wild. A complete sham and she would be inside sing sing now if it wasnt for the heavy hitters who do not want to answer questions as to what their oversight was apart from collecting a paycheck. Shrekeli didnt last 5 minutes before he was jailed and the only thing protecting this chancer Holmes is her connected board members hence why they were handpicked.

Oracle, I like you, but, don't get me started on this.

She was nothing more than a smoke and pony show and this has nothing to do with big pharma.

This is my profession. I have a BS degree in Medical Technology. Now they call us Clinical Laboratory Scientists. The big names in the field are Beckman, Dade, Ortho. Those are not Pharmacy companies. Elizabeth Holmes knew very little about Laboratory Medicine when she started her business. It is highly regulated at both the federal and state level.

She knew nothing about laboratory instruments or testing. Let's just discuss chemistry analyzers. When I was in school in the 70's, we saw the beginnings of the automated analyzers. They were monsters with hundreds of feet of tubing. We measured electrolytes with a flame photometer. To get an accurate results, you had to get a baseline of it was high or low then recalibrate the flame to more closely pinpoint the reading. We had to know how to make up chemical solutions. I had to set up and auto analyzer for just one substance in chem lab. Now, everything is all set up and all figured out.

Holmes's platform was to do hundreds of tests on one drop of blood. The biggest obstacle is that tests require different anticoagulants. Well let's say we ignore hematology and coag and just focus on chemistry. Now we are down to say 3 types of anticoagulants. That is 3 different colored stoppered tubes. Say most of the testing can be done on a lithium heparin tube in chem. Most tests only need 5 to 200 microliters of blood. A microliter is a millionth of a liter or a thousandth of an milliliter. Over time, the companies making the instruments and reagent have minimized how much sample and reagents are needed. So, what she promised, other companies had the methodology and were perfecting the instrumentation to use less resourses.

So, if I get a full tube of blood, spin it, I will get around 3 mls of plasma. So I can do almost every test a small hospital chemistry lab offers on that one tube which is about 30 or 40 tests chemistry.

Elizabeth Holmes claimed she could do what the larger companies were already working on only she had to start from scratch with the methodology. From what I read, her techs (that would be someone like me) started complaining that the QC was not coming in and they were being told to shut up or lose their jobs. Also, some tests were sent to reference labs. She never did what she claimed, offered hundreds of tests on a drop of blood. A drop is around 50 microliters by the way.

Like I said, don't get me started. She had no background in the field before making her claims.

Double post.

Last Edited by LameDame on 07/01/2019 09:14 AM

Amen.

listen, she was a fraud!

she was infatuated with and styled herself and company after Steve Jobs, going to far as to lure many Apple employees to her company. These people were the driving force of Theranos, they were the experience and innovation. when many of them told her the Edison had serious flaws and would most likely never work, she ignored their pleas, continuing to solicit investor funds lying about the true position of her invention!

all the while her and her bf at the time were lavishing themselves with the best of everything.

now she just wiggled herself into marrying a very wealthy young hotel tycooon who's family is mortified!

I know who her board was;

SHE's STILL A FRAUD AND NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL!

I am still wading through the videos, but, I still think she is a bullshitter.

In the video with the Fortune magazine, she pulls out her nanotube claiming that from a drop of blood you can get 100s of tests. I have a ton of questions there. Very little testing today is done on whole blood. For one thing, 40% of that is red blood cells. Most lab tests are done on the liquid part of the blood serum (blood that has clotted ) or plasma (anticoagulated blood). To separate the cells and plasma, you have to centrifuge the blood. She would have to devise completely new methodologies for almost every test she wanted to run to gear it to using whole blood. I am going to assume her little tube has some sort of anticoagulant in it which means it would either have to be well mixed.

There is the glucometer that can do testing on one drop of blood but it is one small machine, one test. There is one other similar platform, forgot what it is called, that uses a small drop of whole blood, but, again, it only does one test. I have seen them for Troponins, BNP, and Betahydroxy. Those test for heart attack, congestive heart failure, and keto acidosis. They are triage meters used in the ER for rapid results. The tests are then repeated by the larger instrumentation in the lab that is more accurate.

One problem with a fingerstick is that it contains tissue juice which can contaminate the sample. For an experienced phlebotomist, it is easier and faster to draw venous blood than to do a fingerstick.

Now the one platform that can run maybe up to 20 different tests on about one ml of blood is a fancy blood gas machine. That is arterial blood. It is very dangerous to stick arteries. No one has ever trained me to stick arteries though for one job I had to. I was 4 for 8. On the four that I got, the people were unconscious.

She says that she is an engineer. If you look at a chemistry analyzer, it is a lot of carefully timed robotics. The trick is in the pipetting. They pipette microliters of blood. One thing about using such small samples is that they have to be extremely precise. A small pipetting error will give a huge error in results. We are now using say 5 millionths of a liter for some tests. The next level would be billionths of a liter or nanotechnology. Has she ever uttered the word nanotechnology?

Well, I am sure the technical aspects of this, though fasinating to some of us, is quite boring for most. So let's get into my biggest objection. I have to have a doctor's order for any test that I do. I TAKE ORDERS. I also can only work under a medical director who is defined by CLIA as having a PhD in a life science. I cannot go out there and start my own lab. Well, I could, but, I have to hire a medical director. The person running the test,me, has to be certified to run the tests. I had to go to college and then pass a national certification. There may also be state requirements.

So Oracle here is the real conspiracy, when I say millions have been made off my back, I am not kidding. The lab tests are not that expensive to run. So when she says she is looking for a less expensive way to run tests, that is a lie right there. The expense is in the markup. The Lab is one of the money makers in the hospital setting. Lab, radiology, and pharmacy make the money and keep the hospitals floating.

Big pharma has nothing to do with lab testing though now that pharmacists have to have a PhD, they are qualified to be medical directors. Trust me, you would rather have an MD, more specifically a Pathologist, as a medical director of a laboratory.

Thanks O's.

Will be interesting to catch back up on this.

"I want to believe"

5* for bringing it back to our attention.

Thanks PirateMonkey! Appreciate the support...an
interesting topic that hasn't run out of reasonable
debate!


O'sCookie

Hey Pees and Ques! (Cool avatar name!) You bring up some
very good point--I can't get them all into ONE POST, so I
will start with the basics, here:

Glad you are wading through the videos I've included
in the thread...SADLY, I have had ZERO LUCK in finding
even ONE...NOT ONE...POSITIVE video to include in this
discussion on the Theranos/Holmes story. Doesn't that
seem a little odd right there? She starts out with some
of the biggest names in government and finance in 2003
...and by 2016 the only one in her "corner" so to speak
is her former boyfriend, her C.O.O. of Theranos. I find
that extremely "fishy" and so should everyone else. There's
always always TWO sides to a story--and we seeing a
HUGE cover-up and SMOKE SCREEN on this. (Hopefully, one
day--after the trial?--we will find out what happened.)

Pees, I do appreciate your comments coming in as one who has
direct experience and training in the field Elizabeth
Holmes attempted (and failed) to challenge with her "new
approach" to blood testing.

Most of the comments that I have seen (before your own)
were mainly launched off the very BAD PRESS Holmes and
her company Theranos received from just the documentaries
I've included in the thread. There is a great deal of
material to be found in ARTICLE FORM (not videos) that give
a different slant and for the most part are being ignored
(which I believe is deliberate from TPTB who are hell-bent
to have her "hide!")

What I am attempting to do, Pees, is to play what is
called "The Devil's Advocate." (At least I'm NOT the kind
of "Cookie" who claims to be an ANGEL! lol!)

For folks who are NOT familiar with the phrase "Devil's
Advocate" here is what it refers to and its ORIGINS:

dev·il's ad·vo·cate
/devəlz advəkət/
noun
unpunctuated: devils advocate; noun: devil's advocate;
plural noun: devil's advocates

1. Person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke
debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments.

EXAMPLE: "The interviewer will need to play devil's advocate,
to put the other side's case forward"

Historical:
[In religion:]
The popular title of the person appointed by the Roman Catholic Church
to challenge a proposed beatification or canonization, or the actual
verification of a miracle.

The Advocatus Diaboli is the popular name for a former official position
within the Catholic Church, the Promoter of the Faith: one who "argued
against the canonization of a candidate in order to uncover any character
flaws or misrepresentation of the evidence favoring canonization".
Wiki

I'm bringing this up mainly because I have seen so very
little rebuttal on behalf of Elizabeth Holmes--and there
is ALWAYS 2...maybe 3 or 4...VERSIONS to any story. And
when you have such "high rollers" IN THE CENTER OF THE
THERANOS STORY (like Elizabeth's amazing Board of Directors
not to mention the heavy-hitters who invested millions
like Murdoch, Walmart/Waldens, Walgreens etc.)
INVESTORS:
[link to www.refinery29.com (secure)] published March 2019

:TheranosBoard201:
These men put their own reputations (AND
CREDIBILITY) on-the-line as backers for
Holmes's new computer/mini-lab "The Edison."
Do you really think that they could have their
"heads turned" by just a pretty smile and a low
voice? There WAS SUBSTANCE to the technology and her
invention...so something much BIGGER was going on
behind the scenes than simply a "boggus machine" IMHO.

There is at least a HAYSTACK below that NEEDLE
Elizabeth is using as her nano-tainer! Maybe if we can
get even a pin-prick's worth of TRUTH out of all of this,
we'll all come away much wiser. But that will take the TRIAL before
it comes to light!



Thanks for your interesting summary, Pees and Ques...feel
free to add whatever more insight as a technician in the
field.


O'sCookie

Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 07/01/2019 03:01 PM

Thanks to BBQ Boy for this smilie...really says it all
about Holmes, Theranos and the CRIMINAL TRIAL:

Thread UP-DATE 7-02-2019:

Just found this article this A.M. for anyone who wishes
to follow the Elizabeth Holmes continuing Saga:

[link to www.statnews.com (secure)]
QUOTE:
[Less than 50%]
In a pretrial hearing in federal court in San Jose, Calif., on Friday [June 28,2019],
federal prosecutors and defense attorneys agreed to begin jury selection
the week of July 28, 2020, and start opening arguments on Aug. 4, 2020,
a spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office confirmed. The trial is
expected to last for about three months.

Holmes and her former No. 2 Sunny Balwani are accused of defrauding
investors, patients, and doctors in a blood-testing scandal that
brought down health care’s richest venture-backed startup.
END QUOTE

From another (another NEGATIVE TAKE, of course:)
[link to www.refinery29.com (secure)]

Also, for those who BELIEVE ELIZABETH HOLMES IS A CHAMELION
you will want to examine this article which shows not
only a video of Holmes's "nerdy-self" back in 2010....but
ALSO her gradual transformation and the success of Theranos
became full-blown to a $10 billion company with wild stock
trading on Wall Street...her OWN transformation to highlighting
her "beauty." (Was this something Holmes herself wanted or
was it her UNFORTUNATE secret union with boyfriend/C.O.O.
of her company, Sunny Balwani. Balwani is a Pakistan national
with ties to other "high rollers" Elizabeth seemed to "court"
for the success of her company. WAS THAT A STRATEGIC MISTAKE
for Holmes? Was it actually at Balwani's encouragement...even
his "direction" that by 2014/15 Holmes was exaggerating the
staggering gains Theranos had made in perfecting their
"Edison Machine" (...the machine that goes BING!) SUGGESTING
TO THEIR INVESTORS that from one finger-stick-of-blood over
200 tests for diseases could almost instantly be diagnosed?
THIS MAY (OR MAY NOT) CONE OUT IN THEIR TRIAL IN 2020.
[link to people.com (secure)]

REMEMBER: A person is considered innocent until found
guilty. The EXTREMELY ONE-SIDED media coverage (try to find
even ONE video or article that presents Holmes fairly--it
doesn't exist!) of the originally "wide-eyed, idealistic
and non-material young self-claimed inventor"--you will
come up empty handed.

We'll see!


O'sCookie

Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 07/03/2019 03:12 AM

July 3, 2019--MORE ON ELIZABETH...

SHE'S EITHER ENGAGED OR HAS MARRIED HOTEL-HEIR,
BILLY EVANS IN SAN FRANCISCO.


Here are some articles. It would appear that Holmes
has been busy "reinventing" herself. (Good for her!)
Maybe after a contentious trial and the dust settles
from
losing her "life's dream" (her invention and company
Theranos)...she may have a chance at being "normal and
happy."

[link to www.insideedition.com (secure)]

[Less than 50%]

Sporting a new curly blowout, the disgraced Theranos founder appeared in court Friday, where a judge ruled the case against her will go to trial Aug. 4, 2020, with jury selection beginning just a few days before on July 28.

Theranos, a company once valued at more than $9 billion with Holmes at its helm, was once hailed as innovative for its breakthrough technology that claimed it could perform hundreds of lab tests using only a couple drops of blood.

and...

Holmes is thought to have only recently tied the knot with Evans, a hotel heir. The relationship is reportedly baffling to Evans' family and friends, who, according to the New York Post, tried to warn him away from her.
END QUOTE

This young woman seems to be able to "reinvent herself" at a drop of a hat
and even her appearance has changed since the days at Theranos where she
took on a "Steve Jobs persona" with black outfits and a deep voice.

We haven't seen the end of Ms. Holmes by a long shot! Next year should
be very revealing with her trial on fraud charges.

[link to www.insideedition.com (secure)]
Video included

Since Theranos imploded I've felt badly for her. Can't explain why. I hope she is innocent. The McMartin case was a slam dunk case too and that blew up in the prosecutors' faces. We'll see next year.

I totally agree.

She just got mixed up with the "wrong crowd" with her
beautiful dream to help people who don't wish to "SAY
GOODBYE TO THOSE THEY LOVE TOO SOON."

She was idealistic and gullible...I'm thinking they
will hang boyfriend (and "gaslighter" if you know what
that means) OUT TO DRY with this trial. She'll get off
with probation (hopefully)--I may be wrong, she just
does NOT appear to have the face and demeanor of a clever
or evil enough person to perpetrate a $9 billion fraud.
If she DID...then she is a "changling" and a good one!


O'sCookie

Just read her Wikipedia biography.

She was a Chemical Engineer major at Stanford who dropped out after 3 years in 2004. I thought she had a PhD. She did not even have her Bachelor's. She worked one summer at the Genome Institute of Singapore testing for SARS. In 2003, she filed her first patent for a wearable drug delivery patch. I would like to know more about that.

She pitched her idea of performing up to 200 tests on a small amount of blood to her medical professor as well as other medical professors who told her that it would not work before her advisor and Dean of the School of Engineering finally backed her idea. She then began her venture imitating a Steve Jobs persona, thus the deep voice.

By the end of 2014 her name was on 18 US patents and 66 foreign patents. In 2015 Carreyrou published a bombshell article exposing her Edison device. In Jan 2016, CMS stepped in and by July, they shut her down. The FDA ordered the company to cease using its Capillary Tube nanotainer device.

I would like to know more about her patents, her blood collection device, and the "Edison" blood analyzer. I have never seen her blood collection device. Was she a BS artist, a mad genius, or ahead of her time? I think she had a good idea, but, she had a monumental task before her in trying to implement it. She had to devise a platform for testing and the chemical reactions necessary to be used in the testing. I just don't see how she had the background for that. Every other company in the field has had a big headstart on her.

Oh, her limited experience in the lab was at the Genome lab. Though I am not familar with that type of testing, there are some molecular diagnostics platforms that can test for several organisms on a small amounts of sample. I have never used them. This is probably where she got the idea from. My knowledge of them is limited, but, they are looking for specific organisms or isolating specific biomarkers. Hospitals labs are testing Chemistry, Hematology, Coag, Urines. Those are all different departments with different intruments and different anticoagulants. She was claiming her instrument could be used on a battlefield. No.

Bill Frist was on her Board of Directors. He should have known better.

Last Edited by LameDame on 07/04/2019 02:34 AM

I think she is a diabolical genius who could outsmart me. I would be scared of her!

Next thing you know....there will be a thread about
Elizabeth being the antichrist! :lol1:

It sure is an interesting story, though. I also think
it is very interesting that through all these documentaries
and biops...we haven't heard from Elizabeth's parents.

Wonder what they think about all of this?


O'sCookie

Just to answer your question here, Pees and Q's:

I would like to know more about her patents, her blood collection device, and the "Edison" blood analyzer. I have never seen her blood collection device. Was she a BS artist, a mad genius, or ahead of her time? I think she had a good idea, but, she had a monumental task before her in trying to implement it. She had to devise a platform for testing and the chemical reactions necessary to be used in the testing. I just don't see how she had the background for that. Every other company in the field has had a big headstart on her.

Really great questions, Pees and Q's--and these are all
things most people (including me) would like to get to
the bottom of--hopefully, with the upcoming Trial Aug/2020.

The 2 questions that "pop out at me" you include in your
list, Pees, involve Elizabeth's:

1. "Entitled" attitude of a child of wealthy, well-
connected (politically) parents--with the pressure of
"changing the world" as well as succeeding to THE TOP
--with years of programming behind that MINDSET.

2. ...ABILITY to be able to achieve the technological
and scientific expertice necessary to make Theranos a
going concern.

These ARE REALLY BIG ISSUES and tie in to her whole
evolution from "brilliant college student at Stanford"
all the way to "disgraced scientist/entrepreneur of a
Silicon Valley start-up valued at over $10 billion by
the time the "scandal" hit and dissolved Theranos stock
to BELOW ZERO DOLLARS per share!

Question #1 is EASY...Elizabeth Holmes was "gifted" with
a $1 million STAKE from a family friend at the beginning
of her company. If you throw enough MONEY at an idea (and
have the people around you with the technical know-how to
put the "Edison Machine" into production)...you DO NOT NEED
to be able to everything yourself! That takes care of #1!

I do believe she was some kind of "savant." When I watch
her "between the lines"...I see a very young, brilliant
and "entitled" 19 year old as she first starts out. She
has a serious "daddy" issue, I believe...which made her
gravitate to Sunny Balwani and most likely allowed him to
dominate this whole Theranos drama behind the scenes. She
was the young pretty thing--even with her attempts to
create an artifical "affect" to be more masculine and hide
that fact...it was still very obvious. She was a type
of SAVANT (IMHO) and what happened to her is really tragic
since she obviously has extraordinary "gifts."

-----------------------

DEFINITION:

What is a "savant" by definition:

A savant is a person affected with a developmental disorder, like autism,
who shows exceptional ability in areas such as art, math or music. Savant
skills are observed from six categories that represent the ability of the
individual. The six areas are memorization, lightening calculation, calendar
calculating, musical ability, artistic ability and language ability.


Read more on Brainly.com - [link to brainly.com (secure)]

Also: a true savant may be "brilliant" in some areas in their skill-sets,
however, they are notoriously socially inept and are often taken
advantage of due to their inability to make "social calls"--such as
who does or DOES NOT have their best interests at heart. Savants can
be extemely gullible and they are often confused with the autism spectrum
called "Asperger's Syndrome."
-----------------------------

If you will take the time (I know, everyone is so busy)
but if you wish to get a good visual of the EDISON MACHINE
the (very negative) HBO documentary gives the best inside
look. They make it is look really CHAOTIC in the HBO
documentary, but actually, they had done some amazing
innovations into the miniaturization process of the blood
lab even with its many failures. Remember--tho--this was
an ORIGINAL IDEA that is way ahead of its time, so there
are going to be lots of "false starts" in getting this thing
operational.

In the very end of the documentary, you need to realize
that dispite all the "negative spins" we are seeing in
the MEDIA the Theranos machine was able to give a correct
analysis of the HIV/AIDES. So the reports that the device
was a total HOAX is NOT correct. (I would hope, though,
if you have UNLIMITED CAPITAL to invest in an invention
and the company is worth $10 billion...there would be
SOME level of success with at least ONE TEST they could
point to.)


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

WORTH THE WATCH! Holmes comes up for criminal
trial (fraud) August 2020.

What the bottom-line for me, personally, is the LESSON
BIG MEDICINE GIVES THE WORLD from the Theranos disaster
is: "Don't MESS WITH THE STATUS QUO in Medicine...or
this could happen to you!"

It's a big jumble out there, and good people with
good ideas--even with 9 members of the Board--you just
can't challenge GOLIATH!



Good questions, Pees!


O'sCookie

Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 07/05/2019 11:38 AM

UPDATE TO THREAD: 7-05-2019

COULD THIS BE THE ICEBERG THAT SUNK THE TITANIC
COMPANY OF THERANOS? DID A $10 BILLION COMPANY THAT
CHALLENGED BIG MEDICINE FALL PRAY TO SOMETHING AS
SIMPLE AS "GASLIGHTING?" UDECIDE!
[link to goodmenproject.com (secure)]


I believe I have just had an "epiphany" about what
may have been going on behind the scenes at Theranos
and the "secret" relationship Elizabeth Holmes kept
with x-boyfriend Sunny Balwani. I think this could be IT!
ELIZABETH HOLMES WAS THE UNWITTING "VICTIM" OF GASLIGHTING
MY ONE OR MORE OLDER MALES IN HER LIFE (PRIMARILY SUNNY BALWANI--a narcissist and Master Manipulator!)



THIS...is the "real face" of Elizabeth (a couple of years
free of her "gaslighting partner, sunny Balwani.) This
photo of Elizabeth Holmes says to me (maybe I am being
naive)...THIS IS WHO I AM. I WAS "GAS-LIGHTED" BY MY
BOYFRIEND INTO THIS CHARADE--OTHERS USED ME AS THEIR "PITCH"
BUT IT ISN'T WHO I WAS OR WHAT I HAD ENVISIONED FOR
THERANOS! (She is innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, you guys!)

From Wiki's own outline of Ramesh Balwani ("Sunny") we
see that Holmes met him at a very "delicate and naive"
stage in her life. Read this:
Quote:
While enrolled at Berkeley, Balwani met Elizabeth Holmes, who was
in her senior year of high school.[8] Holmes then went on to Stanford
University to pursue an undergraduate degree in chemical engineering,[8]
but later dropped out to focus full-time on Theranos.
End Quote

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So...what is a college student (Balwani)--deeply involved in the
workings of Microsoft corp and much older than Holmes
doing with a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT? Doesn't anyone find that
rather odd? Did he realize how "well-connected" Elizabeth's
family was and that he could "use those connections" for
his own VISION? Did Balwani actually "sculpt" Holme's
copy-cat appearance from his own Marketing experience?
And...even more "telling" in this story is the STARK
ABSENCE OF ELIZABETH'S PARENTS? Why haven't we heard from
them at all?


"Evolution of Elizabeth Holmes's appearance over the
past 6 years IS REMARKABLE!...AND...something's FISHY!

Are we looking at a possible "Gaslighting" relationship
between Holmes and her "X" Sunny Balwani? I think there's
a good chance Elizabeth is playing "Ingrid Bergman's part
in her classic movie "Gaslight" behind the scenes and
she may NOT have been that "well-put-together self-made
businesswoman as was presented." Could this be a line
of DEFENSE AGAISNT HER FRAUD CHARGES in the coming
criminal trial? UDECIDE:


This is the slowly changing appearance of Elizabeth Holmes
from 2013- 2019, from Fortune Magazine "Faux Personality" (which
may have been forced on her by her overbearing boyfriend
Sunny Balwani in his diabolical fraud including "gaslighting"
manipulation of a 19 year old "savant")...to last month's
court appearance. THEY LOOK LIKE 2 DIFFERENT PEOPLE!

Elizabeth in 2013:


Elizabeth Holmes on the cover of Fortune Magazine
predicted to "challenge BIG MEDICINE" like David
vs. Goliath!

Elizabeth in 2019:

[link to www.refinery29.com (secure)]
NOW...SCROLL DOWN 1/2 WAY in this long article
showing the "evolution" of the "look" Elizabeth
was after as she went through the various stages
of success and failure of her company, Theranos.
FOR JUNE 2019...you will see a young woman who
appears to have returned to sanity from some deep
abyss by her more "normal" appearance.

IMHO we are looking at a young lady who has unfortunately
been mixed up in a very diabolical scenario orchestrated
by "rich white men" and one especially dominating
"gaslighting mastermind" her x-boyfriend Sunny Balwani
--who pulled the strings behind this so-called "self-made
young entrepreneur female billionaire" but who played
as similar part to the actress in the 1940's classic
"Gaslight"...only she was a business woman held captive.


TRAILER of "GASLIGHT" with Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

2 minute duration. Ingrid Bergman and Joseph Cotton
gets to the bottom of a narcissist's plan to gain
control of a wife's wealth and position.

Ingrid Bergman ("Casablanca," "Anastasia") as a newlywed
unaware that her seemingly charming husband, Charles Boyer,
a classic Narcissist attempting to drive his wealthy
wife slowly INSANE.

We'll see how it plays out!


O'sCookie

Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 07/22/2019 10:39 PM

I continue to think "something is fishy in Denmark" in
the initial reports of the Holmes/Balwani collaboration.



Check this out:


Just found this next confirmation of the wiki report that Holmes
was only in HIGH SCHOOL when meeting (and possibly starting the
"gaslighting relationship with her") back in 2002. Balwani was
37 and Holmes was only 18! (Ask yourself what a 37 year old
successful softwear engineer for Microsoft find appealing in a
high school senior? It almost borders on pedophilia!) Where were
Holme's parents--wouldn't careful upper income parents "step in"
if a 37 year old man took an interest in an 18 year old?
[link to www.refinery29.com (secure)]

How & When Holmes & Balwani Got Together
Holmes and Balwani met, according to the latter’s divorce filings, in 2002, while on a trip to Bejing with Stanford. Balwani was at Berkeley for his MBA and Holmes was a senior in high school. They were 37 and 18, respectively, but didn’t start a romantic relationship until — some reporting suggests — Holmes dropped out of Stanford in March 2004.



UDECIDE! But I think it very ODD that there is not a
single voice supporting Elizabeth's whole involvement
with this massive stock fraud--I don't believe a "high
school kid" could develop and swindle 1,000s of people
to the tune of $9 billion ALONE. She's got "puppet masters"
behind all of this--even if eventually she lost her
"little girl image" and was corrupted by being in a "trapped"
position--classic gaslighting victim...or maybe even
"The Stockholm Syndrome?"

Won't SOMEONE please "champion" this kid, Elizabeth Holmes?


O'sCookie



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I can't help but feel that Elizabeth Holmes in this
"Ted Talk"--explaining her "vision" for a blood-testing
company that could "re-shape" the medical "tradition" of
torturous blood draws" (not changed since the 1950's!) shows
that she seems almost "under a dream-like spell....re-PLAYING
a carefully orchestrated character!"

And...especially in the video link below this becomes
fairly obvious.

Often times, women who are either psychologically battered
or physically battered (or both)--the darkest part of
"Gaslighting"--move through their days like "robots" with
a deadened "affect" and a "rehearsed" backstory.

Doesn't Elizabeth sound like that in this presentation?
People accuse her of being a "pathological liar"...however,
as a victim of abuse she could actually be a "pathological
SURVIVOR" doing what her "handlers" demanded of her. Watch
this video again!


[link to youtu.be (secure)]

(The use of the "deep voice" may not so much
be an effort to "manipulate" as we heard in the
documentary by her accusers...so much as it is
her effort to "distance her REAL IDENTITY" away
from the "pseudo-personality" Sunny Balwani and
her other "handlers" wished her to take on.

This aspect of the THERANOS STORY has never been fully
examined.

I would START WITH HER PARENTS...THEY WOULD KNOW
THE "REAL" ELIZABETH HOLMES! (Where are their public
statements of support--and if NOT, why not?)


O'sCookie

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Last Edited by TheOracle'sCookie on 07/24/2019 12:44 PM

She is just a fall girl. That East Indian guy Sunny Balwani is the brain.

Blue-eyed blonde females are usually honest. She watched too much movies, tv...got hooked to that East Indian conman, and he is responsible for the whole scam.

Extremely naive, female's cant run such complex frauds. There is usually a man or a group pf men behind it.

Females usually commit simple scams like...you give me $$$ and I give you sex.

East Indian origin guy Sanjay Balwani guy responsible. Most mega-frauds are done by Eastern origin guys like Jevvs (Bernie Maddoff), East Indians (Rajat Gupta, Raj Rajaratnam), Chicoms etc.

Exactly! Its just following the typical TV and Hollywood movie narrative.

Pretty blue-eyed blonde girl meets handsome and intelligent young Black or non-White guy. They fall in love, marry and live happily ever after!

In reality the non-White either beats her to pulp, does a scam and makes her the fall girl, or pimps her out to a brothel.

only to find out it was the exact opposite!

Dont be fooled; she was very calculated in affiliating and surrounding herself with much older financially affluent men.

with these types of women, its always someone else's fault! BS- she knew exactly what she was doing and could have at least changed course but chose not to.

Rubbish, that Sunny Balwani con-guy was with her right from the start, when she was not even an adult. He only molded her into his front for a scam, with him running it from behind her.

And why are the largest frauds in the world done by Eastern origin guys? Like Bernie Maddof off Middle-Eastern Jevvish origins and Rajat Gupta/Raj Rajaratnam from East India. Arabs, Pakis and Chicoms also do huge and complex scams.

If Balwani was not her lover and mentor, from the time she was very young, it might have been possible, but that's not the case....so sorry!

If Balwani was not her lover and mentor, from the time she was very young, your theory have been possible, but that's not the case....so sorry!

If Balwani was not her lover and mentor, from the time she was very young, your theory may have been possible, but that's not the case....so sorry!

She has the cray cray in her eyes.....