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User ID: 77727871 United States 07/02/2019 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No such thing as the rapture. It was invented in Scotland about 300 years ago. Before that, the Christian Church did not preach this dogma. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 Yes, there is a rapture, it's in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, among other places. [link to biblehub.com (secure)] The English word there is 'caught up' into the air. The story of it being a recent teaching is false. There are recorded teachings of it back through time. Even the Apostle Paul believed it was 'imminent'. And the only rapture theory that supports imminence is the Pre-Millennial, Pre-Tribulation rapture theory. The Catholic church and many of the Protestant churches did not preach the rapture. But they are mistaken about it. Yahshua(Jesus) was teaching the Kingdom gospel to the Jevvish nation. His focus was on their redemption, as He is their Messiah. About 30 or so years later, Yahshua revealed the mystery (secret) of the rapture to the Apostle Paul, as he was the primary apostle to the Gentiles of the Church Age, the Age of Grace. The rapture is for the Gentiles and the remnant of the Jevvish people who believe in Yahshua. It is not for the Jevvish nation as a whole, for they have a different destiny. Israel will go through the Time of Jacob's Trouble, the Time of Troubles, also known as Daniel's 70th Week, and the Tribulation. And all others who do not believe, and don't have faith in Yahshua's sacrifice for us, they will go through it with them. No worries though, Yahshua(Jesus) will return when our Father wills it. And nothing we believe or disbelieve will change that fact. God is in control. Maranatha! The word caught up or harpazo is used many times in the NT. It is not a doctrine of theology. It is one word used many times. We will be caught up. It is the end times process for the 1st resurrection, not a seperate theology. Here is harpazo in a different sentence. Joh 10:12 "But he who is a hireling and not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. Achduke |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76732178 United States 07/02/2019 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No such thing as the rapture. It was invented in Scotland about 300 years ago. Before that, the Christian Church did not preach this dogma. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 Yes, there is a rapture, it's in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, among other places. [link to biblehub.com (secure)] The English word there is 'caught up' into the air. The story of it being a recent teaching is false. There are recorded teachings of it back through time. Even the Apostle Paul believed it was 'imminent'. And the only rapture theory that supports imminence is the Pre-Millennial, Pre-Tribulation rapture theory. The Catholic church and many of the Protestant churches did not preach the rapture. But they are mistaken about it. Yahshua(Jesus) was teaching the Kingdom gospel to the Jevvish nation. His focus was on their redemption, as He is their Messiah. About 30 or so years later, Yahshua revealed the mystery (secret) of the rapture to the Apostle Paul, as he was the primary apostle to the Gentiles of the Church Age, the Age of Grace. The rapture is for the Gentiles and the remnant of the Jevvish people who believe in Yahshua. It is not for the Jevvish nation as a whole, for they have a different destiny. Israel will go through the Time of Jacob's Trouble, the Time of Troubles, also known as Daniel's 70th Week, and the Tribulation. And all others who do not believe, and don't have faith in Yahshua's sacrifice for us, they will go through it with them. No worries though, Yahshua(Jesus) will return when our Father wills it. And nothing we believe or disbelieve will change that fact. God is in control. Maranatha! The word caught up or harpazo is used many times in the NT. It is not a doctrine of theology. It is one word used many times. We will be caught up. It is the end times process for the 1st resurrection, not a seperate theology. Here is harpazo in a different sentence. Joh 10:12 "But he who is a hireling and not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. "Caught up in the air" is the actual phrase in question, not just 'caught'. That is pretty specific since being 'in the air' was so unique to the human experience at that time. And look at the context: resurrection and translation when looking at the parallel verse in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53. This return of our Lord-resurrection-translation/changing into immortal bodies-going up into the air to be with our Lord forever. This is a really big deal, and so it becomes a valid doctrine. The resurrection & rapture is at one event, and happening in the blink of an eye, and so is one theology, it's not a separate theology. |
Achduke7
User ID: 77727871 United States 07/02/2019 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No such thing as the rapture. It was invented in Scotland about 300 years ago. Before that, the Christian Church did not preach this dogma. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 Yes, there is a rapture, it's in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, among other places. [link to biblehub.com (secure)] The English word there is 'caught up' into the air. The story of it being a recent teaching is false. There are recorded teachings of it back through time. Even the Apostle Paul believed it was 'imminent'. And the only rapture theory that supports imminence is the Pre-Millennial, Pre-Tribulation rapture theory. The Catholic church and many of the Protestant churches did not preach the rapture. But they are mistaken about it. Yahshua(Jesus) was teaching the Kingdom gospel to the Jevvish nation. His focus was on their redemption, as He is their Messiah. About 30 or so years later, Yahshua revealed the mystery (secret) of the rapture to the Apostle Paul, as he was the primary apostle to the Gentiles of the Church Age, the Age of Grace. The rapture is for the Gentiles and the remnant of the Jevvish people who believe in Yahshua. It is not for the Jevvish nation as a whole, for they have a different destiny. Israel will go through the Time of Jacob's Trouble, the Time of Troubles, also known as Daniel's 70th Week, and the Tribulation. And all others who do not believe, and don't have faith in Yahshua's sacrifice for us, they will go through it with them. No worries though, Yahshua(Jesus) will return when our Father wills it. And nothing we believe or disbelieve will change that fact. God is in control. Maranatha! The word caught up or harpazo is used many times in the NT. It is not a doctrine of theology. It is one word used many times. We will be caught up. It is the end times process for the 1st resurrection, not a seperate theology. Here is harpazo in a different sentence. Joh 10:12 "But he who is a hireling and not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. "Caught up in the air" is the actual phrase in question, not just 'caught'. That is pretty specific since being 'in the air' was so unique to the human experience at that time. And look at the context: resurrection and translation when looking at the parallel verse in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53. This return of our Lord-resurrection-translation/changing into immortal bodies-going up into the air to be with our Lord forever. This is a really big deal, and so it becomes a valid doctrine. The resurrection & rapture is at one event, and happening in the blink of an eye, and so is one theology, it's not a separate theology. Yes but the pre-trib seperates being caught up. There is only one 1st ressurrection. The 1st resurrection is after the 2 witnesses and tribulation saints are caught up. Not before they are caught up. If being caught up and the resurrection happen at the same time then it is after the tribulation. Revelation actually shows the 2 witnesses being caught up. Rev 11:12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 07/02/2019 10:53 AM Achduke |
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(OP) User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 07/02/2019 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately that is probably so, but the task of us Christians is to spread the word and help save as many as can be saved. Last Edited by Judethz on 07/02/2019 02:08 PM |
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User ID: 77750899 Australia 07/02/2019 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This was the end of the jews in jerusalem,except for those believers who escaped. now we wait for the lord to come. In flaming fire yet. please read the relevant passages again in this context. |
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User ID: 77778635 United States 07/02/2019 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is Paulinism. Quoting: TheLordsServant Jesus spoke a great deal about the end times in the Gospels and Revelation. WHERE does He tell us that we miss out on tribulation? He doesn't. ----------------------- Yeshua "came" for the Jevvs but NEVER refused anyone. The "crumbs" / Caananite woman. The centurion. The Samaritans. And no matter where Paul went - it was always a synagogue FIRST. Damascus Acts 9:20 Salamis Acts 13:5 Antioch Acts 13:14 Iconium Acts 14:1 Thessalonica Acts 17:1 Berea Acts 17:10 Athens Acts 17:16 Corinth Acts 18:4 Ephesus Acts 18:19 Yahshua was speaking to the Jevvish people about their tribe and their nation, not to the Gentiles. Yahshua's teachings about the End-Times was for his Jevvish audience and for their nation and what it will go through at that time. He never once sat down and preached to a group of Gentiles, although on rare occasion a few did speak to Him. Fortunately for us Gentiles, He did not forget about us, and we should thank Him every day that He did remember us. Yahshua was still teaching during the Old Testament (Tanakh) times with the Old Testament understanding to an audience the Old Testament was written for. It was no longer valid in it's entirety after His death & resurrection, as Yahshua completed the Law. It wasn't until Yahshua's death that the New Testament era began, and the transition from the Age of Law to the Age of Grace happened. Those are two different dispensations with two different plans of salvation. Yes, Christ tried to correct the errors that had evolved in Judaism, but He was rejected by and large for His efforts. Yes, Paul did attempt to convert the Jevvish people to belief in Christ. And he was very frustrated at his failure to reach many of them. You can clearly see toward the latter years of his ministry, his work was mostly to the Gentiles, after the continual rejections by the Jevvish people at large. But that was to be expected, as their eyes are were veiled to the truth of Messiah, and are still veiled even today. The Apostle Paul and his teachings were accepted by ALL the apostles at the Council of Jerusalem. Attempting to carve Paul and his teachings out of the bible is a grave error, and is often the sign of a Judaizer, Ebionite or others who reject the final work of Christ on the cross by requiring continued observance of all the Levitical laws, which happens to be an impossible feat today since there is no Temple (yet). After the rapture, the Age (Dispensation) of Grace will be over, and the world will revert back to the Age of Law that ruled during the Old Testament times. This will last for 7 years as the Tribulation will take place at that time. During the Tribulation, salvation will once more become a matter of faith + works, as it was in the time before Christ. But fortunately for us, for now until the rapture comes, we live in the Age of Grace where we are saved by faith in Christ alone for our salvation. But time is short, so people need to get ready for His soon return. Maranatha! Paul was accepted because he was taught the SAME things by Jesus as the Apostles were. The NONSENSE that Paul preached a "different Gospel" for the gentiles is idiotic. Paul got no "special teachings" only meant for gentiles. And it's ironic that you folks blather on about Jesus only teaching to the Jevvs but yet the Bible NEVER says that the crowds were only Hebrews. Even more damning, Jesus' own words are recorded for us via the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, and easily seen in a Red Letter Bible. [link to archive.org (secure)] Jesus didn't do away with the Torah (you KNOW what verse I'm talking about). You speak like some quasi-scholar, using unnecesary labels and terminology. Bart Ehrman's cousin? Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 07/02/2019 08:23 PM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77286179 United States 07/03/2019 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That which Jesus taught got squashed when the Vatican created the church and you ones are horribly horribly uneducated… NOPE. the one who is horribly, horribly uneducated here is YOU. let me educate YOU on some truth here. Christianity began with GOD's only begotten son Jesus Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. get educated on the FACT that Jesus has already declared that you, craprantia cult, and satan of nebdon DO NOT PREVAIL!!! It’s better than the ops comic flick and spamming cult |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72581155 United States 07/04/2019 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :takeheed: :blackcat: For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject. Quoting: Judethz WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] I'm waiting for the end of the pre-trib age, the church has been choking on the fumes of false prophecy for quite a while |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72581155 United States 07/04/2019 06:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think you are in for a very big surprise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70689949 And not in a good way. yeah, cause everyone knows if you don't have faith in the pre-tribbers false prophecy spoutings you will be left behind in the apocalyptic house of horrors -- salvation through Jack van Impe and Hal Lindsey alone, we get it. |
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Truth 123 User ID: 77747381 United States 07/04/2019 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The entire rapture notion is antithetical to traditional Christian theology. While proponents claim the rapture is based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, they employ a highly selective pick-and-choose literalism. This theology was invented less than 200 years ago, but it has gained prominence in American culture through televangelists and radio preachers. Rapture theology raises questions about the Bible’s view of prophecy, violence and even Middle East policy. This theology should be challenged and replaced with a more biblical understanding of Christian hope for the future of the world and of Jesus’ coming again. The notion of the rapture, or a sudden snatching of Christians up into the air, was invented in the 1830s by British preacher John Nelson Darby, founder of the Plymouth Brethren. Darby took the traditional understanding of Jesus’ second coming and divided it into two parts: first the so-called rapture, when he said Jesus would hover above the earth and snatch born-again Christians up to heaven for seven years. Then, according to Darby, after the rapture God would inflict seven years of tribulation upon the earth while Christians watch from heaven. At the end of that seven-year period of death and destruction, rapture proponents believe Jesus will return to earth again for the third time to fight the battle of Armageddon and set up an earthly kingdom. Proponents come up with their rapture chronology by cobbling together a reference in the Latin translation of Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians, with three verses in Daniel and a verse from Revelation. Such pieced-together timelines aren’t biblical. The New Testament describes Jesus’ coming in a great variety of ways. Some biblical texts focus on heaven, some on earth. Some verses focus on judgment and others on salvation. The bottom line is- you believe what you want and I will believe what I want. What I don't like about your post is that you are saying that it is "your way or the highway" and I am showing you that most Christians do not believe what you are saying. Everyone in this country has a right to his/her opinion but your right ends where my right begins. Don't try and shove something down our throats. We get enough of that bs from our government! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77435717 United States 07/04/2019 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :bridec: Christanity could have been squashed like a bug a long time ago, :bridea: Quoting: Judethz except that the enemy has been stayed by the Lord's Almighty Hand. He is not willing that any should perish, but has never the less warned us that the time of the Great Tribulation will soon be upon us. Many also forget that the Lord is also The King of the Jews, and this will also be known as the time of Jacob's Trouble. Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein. Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God. After we are gone many millions will die in a few moments in nuclear war, by chemical attack and by other means. It might be possible that you can be saved as one of the Tribulation Saint's, but don't count upon it. If you die in your sins then you will finish up in Hell. So wake up and get right with the Lord while you have still been blessed with a little time. But don't take all day about it, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be? Radium Turing Test, Phosphorus RAP TURE I am not yours. I knew you not. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77786184 Ireland 07/04/2019 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No such thing as the rapture. It was invented in Scotland about 300 years ago. Before that, the Christian Church did not preach this dogma. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 :watergirls: The Rapture has always been in the bible but your pride is blinding you to the truth. And it has always been a part of the churches teaching despite being suppressed by the Catholic 'church' and others. The bible was written & printed & still is shoved down our throats by the Jewish Freemasons. The only ones being raptured are traditional really old skool Catholics trying to stay alive and keep the faith alive who tend to be baptised correctly-a requirement to miss the devils fireworks & NWO!!! Bill Moyers tackles the insanity of the Protestant Zionist movement: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Mr. Nobody Editorial: The Path to World War III STOPPING THE DOOM & UNDERSTANDING THE PATH TO WORLD WAR III Editorial by Mr. Nobody, February 24, 2013 [link to www.ourladyisgod.com] |
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