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The book of JOB - so god and satan were just chillin having a talk?

 
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what am I missing here? god and satan are just chillin over a few drinks and satan starts busting god’s chops about JOB? I think I understand what this is all about - my intention is not to be a blasphemer. Curious to hear what GLP has to say about this.
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The Bible, in lifting the veil to give a glimpse into heavenly affairs, reveals that Satan later as a rival god appeared before Jehovah in heaven, challenging Jehovah to His face, saying that he could turn God’s servant Job, and by implication any servant of God, away from Him.

He charged God, in effect, with unrighteously giving Job everything, along with full protection, so that he, Satan, could not test Job and show what was really in his heart, which, Satan intimated, was bad.

He implied that Job served God primarily for selfish considerations.

Satan made this point of his argument clear when he said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul.

For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh and see whether he will not curse you to your very face.”—Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7

In this special case, Jehovah allowed Satan to bring calamity upon Job by not interfering when Satan brought about a raid from Sabean marauders as well as destruction of flocks and shepherds by what Job’s messenger called “the very fire of God” from the heavens; whether this was lightning or other fire is not stated.

Satan also brought a raid by three bands of Chaldeans, as well as a windstorm.

These things caused the death of all of Job’s children and destroyed his property.

Finally, Satan inflicted a loathsome disease upon Job himself.—Job 1:13-19; 2:7, 8.

These things reveal the might and power of the spirit creature Satan, as well as his vicious, murderous attitude.

It is important to note, however, that Satan recognized his impotence in the face of God’s express command, for he did not challenge God’s power and authority when God restricted him from taking Job’s life.—Job 2:6.
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Satan and demons not "confined to vicinity of the earth" until expelled from heaven in 1914.

Satan : "the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them continually
before our God", just like he accused God before Eve, and before every human since.
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what am I missing here? god and satan are just chillin over a few drinks and satan starts busting god’s chops about JOB? I think I understand what this is all about - my intention is not to be a blasphemer. Curious to hear what GLP has to say about this.
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not exactly

more like he crashed the "party" looking to stir / start something
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what am I missing here? god and satan are just chillin over a few drinks and satan starts busting god’s chops about JOB? I think I understand what this is all about - my intention is not to be a blasphemer. Curious to hear what GLP has to say about this.
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Don't ever let anyone tell you to give up when the police force you to forfeit all of your assets when they commit a crime?

Don't let your wife convince you to be dragged to the Underworld by Shadows over dumb shit?

I don't know. I do know people are being led to a ditch I want nothing to do with. You can have it Ditches.
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Job 23:10
But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
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The book of Job is a rare treasure. It lets the wise one in on the state of the heavens. Satan, removed from his position, marched right in on a Sunday morning (for lack of a better term)& laid out his terms before God & country.

God placed his bet with an imperfect human, who DID NOT KNOW the ultimate good vs. evil at state. Satan bet everything against him with all abilities at his disposal, save one thing: Job's life.

It's epic! One of the best accounts in the Bible and it's told in the form of an old Jewish poem.

Job suffered, but Job's wife suffered more! (2x the kids!) I look forward to meeting my brother in paradise.
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1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ

Revelation 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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Job was a turning point in man’s relationship with God

Satan broke his curse, returned to heaven and came before the presence of God. Something that last happened before the fall. That’s pretty incredible to think about and something Catholicism denies as made up by the author. Nah, it’s real and that conversation scares many. Satan got back to heaven as an angel after the fall.

Yes, demons can be redeemed.

Long secret short, Satan got back to heaven because of what he didn’t do to Job. So in an effort to bind Satan back to earth, God let him grow in new efforts— causing harm to someone blameless. Which was a spiritual stepping stone that led us to the covenant God made with man through Christ.
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Job 23:10
But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
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Damn. I wish I could paint a picture.
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Job was a turning point in man’s relationship with God

Satan broke his curse, returned to heaven and came before the presence of God. Something that last happened before the fall. That’s pretty incredible to think about and something Catholicism denies as made up by the author. Nah, it’s real and that conversation scares many. Satan got back to heaven as an angel after the fall.

Yes, demons can be redeemed.

Long secret short, Satan got back to heaven because of what he didn’t do to Job. So in an effort to bind Satan back to earth, God let him grow in new efforts— causing harm to someone blameless. Which was a spiritual stepping stone that led us to the covenant God made with man through Christ.
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That looks like an ugly picture. It is what it is I suppose.
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Don't even get me started.. You don't want to go down that rabbit hole before turn off time.
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The book of Job is a rare treasure. It lets the wise one in on the state of the heavens. Satan, removed from his position, marched right in on a Sunday morning (for lack of a better term)& laid out his terms before God & country.

God placed his bet with an imperfect human, who DID NOT KNOW the ultimate good vs. evil at state. Satan bet everything against him with all abilities at his disposal, save one thing: Job's life.

It's epic! One of the best accounts in the Bible and it's told in the form of an old Jewish poem.

Job suffered, but Job's wife suffered more! (2x the kids!) I look forward to meeting my brother in paradise.
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Take my kids and you'll write a book about it.
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The book of Job is a rare treasure. It lets the wise one in on the state of the heavens. Satan, removed from his position, marched right in on a Sunday morning (for lack of a better term)& laid out his terms before God & country.

God placed his bet with an imperfect human, who DID NOT KNOW the ultimate good vs. evil at state. Satan bet everything against him with all abilities at his disposal, save one thing: Job's life.

It's epic! One of the best accounts in the Bible and it's told in the form of an old Jewish poem.

Job suffered, but Job's wife suffered more! (2x the kids!) I look forward to meeting my brother in paradise.
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Take my kids and you'll write a book about it.
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Don't even get me started.. You don't want to go down that rabbit hole before turn off time.
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Come with it.
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The book of Job is a rare treasure. It lets the wise one in on the state of the heavens. Satan, removed from his position, marched right in on a Sunday morning (for lack of a better term)& laid out his terms before God & country.

God placed his bet with an imperfect human, who DID NOT KNOW the ultimate good vs. evil at state. Satan bet everything against him with all abilities at his disposal, save one thing: Job's life.

It's epic! One of the best accounts in the Bible and it's told in the form of an old Jewish poem.

Job suffered, but Job's wife suffered more! (2x the kids!) I look forward to meeting my brother in paradise.
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Take my kids and you'll write a book about it.
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It's been a minute. Ready up Shadows. My bad....
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The book of Job is a rare treasure. It lets the wise one in on the state of the heavens. Satan, removed from his position, marched right in on a Sunday morning (for lack of a better term)& laid out his terms before God & country.

God placed his bet with an imperfect human, who DID NOT KNOW the ultimate good vs. evil at state. Satan bet everything against him with all abilities at his disposal, save one thing: Job's life.

It's epic! One of the best accounts in the Bible and it's told in the form of an old Jewish poem.

Job suffered, but Job's wife suffered more! (2x the kids!) I look forward to meeting my brother in paradise.
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Take my kids and you'll write a book about it.
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It's been a minute. Ready up Shadows. My bad....
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Yeah. Game over I suppose....
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Yeah...

And
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Job was a turning point in man’s relationship with God

Satan broke his curse, returned to heaven and came before the presence of God. Something that last happened before the fall. That’s pretty incredible to think about and something Catholicism denies as made up by the author. Nah, it’s real and that conversation scares many. Satan got back to heaven as an angel after the fall.

Yes, demons can be redeemed.

Long secret short, Satan got back to heaven because of what he didn’t do to Job. So in an effort to bind Satan back to earth, God let him grow in new efforts— causing harm to someone blameless. Which was a spiritual stepping stone that led us to the covenant God made with man through Christ.
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So hold up... let me get this straight.

God screwed up before mankind was created, with Lucifer and 1/3rd of his angels not wanting to be in his company anymore, even though God was supposed to be the "bee's knees", "All Loving", "Creator of Heaven" and even the angels themselves, correct?

Then after Lucifer and the 1/3rd leave, he decides to create Adam and Eve, the first humans, and place them on which planet, in ALL of the Universe. Of ALL THE PLANETS, GALAXIES AND ANYWHERE that God could have created Eden? Oh, that's right, he places Adam and Eve where Lucifer and the 1/3rd decided to already make their new home.

Not just that, but unlike Job who was established, who was educated, married, had children and who had proven himself, Adam and Eve had the equivalent brains and social awareness of what, 8 year olds? They were likely as dumb as Brooke Shields and that guy who played her brother in the first Blue Lagoon, lol. And so what does God do? Allows Lucifer to come around them, with no protection or border or fence around the Garden of Eden.

Can't see how it's a Garden of Eden if the most wicked, evil, dangerous, demon summoning and possessing, sin inducing and number 1 enemy of God is allowed, not just to the gates so as to try and lure them both out, but, is allowed to hang out in the Garden whenever he wants too?

Wow, this God sounds like a real responsible Father figure. Really cares for his "children", sorry, "sheep".

Then after Adam and Eve bite from the forbidden fruit, which is a metaphor, they didn't really bite from a fruit, they were then condemned to the very first, brand new invention from that ahole we all love to call God... Sin.

That's right, GOD CREATED SIN, not Lucifer or Satan or The Devil or whatever you call him. How could Lucifer create sin if sin is totally permissible and accepted by Lucifer? The only one who deems it a sin is God, and possibly, the Holy Spirit (as mentioned that it was hovering over the waters in Gen. 1-2) however... why?

Did they have an education or "Bible study?" ROFLMAO! Were there any "Guardian Angels" looking out for them or was a connection to "the big guy" enough so they were like made men you needed permission to whack first. Oh wait, wasn't Job a made man and yet, God gave permission to mess him up.

Adam and Eve had no concept of anything. Personally, I think it was Lucifer who taught Eve how to f*ck and then she had Cain as a result. Then she went back and taught Adam what that thing between his legs was for and he became the first cuck in civilization.

Funny thing though, and this one gets me more than anything other thing in the world.

It's how every girl who when you are hitting it just right, ALWAYS yell out "OH GOD!" lol! Even porn stars (I love the ones who wear crosses around their neck while doing a scene, oh the irony or is it blaspheme?) Anyway... I wonder, do women all over the world yell out, "OH GOD" in their own foreign language and for that matter... Why God's name then?

Lucifer helps make people want to sin and f*ck and yet, at the end of the day, it's God's name she'll be yelling up to heaven when she's on her back with legs in the air.

Yeah... well... I used to be a Christian, even Born Again... then I started reading too many things and examining the world too closely.

Personally, I have more respect for the God of creation, of DNA, of Science, Chemistry of all the species, of Air, Water, Fire and Earth, of every known and unknown law that creates this reality and more... But I refuse to relegate him down to simplistic terms and scare tactics that MANY have used to oppress others and condemned them to hell forever by merely trying to figure out life in the scant amount of years they have here... some less than others.

Eternity in Hell for trying to figure out your life in how long?

- That poor bastard who GOD DEEMED should be born to the wrong side, and by the wrong side, I obviously mean being born to those who aren't Christian and who bought that kid an ak-47 for his 7th birthday instead of taking him to Chuck E. Cheese and Communion, right? You know, the snackbar folks. Gets his head sniped when he's 9 by an American who's only 19, in Afghanistan and what... One's righteous, it's not murder because he "had orders" and the 9 year old is burning in hell of eternity because "he never confessed his sins and asked to be saved by Jesus"? ROFLMAO!

Look at that logic... as dumb as humans are... that logic is the top of the dumb that humans believe. I can give you hundreds of situational ethics and scenarios where the Bible is a joke of a misinterpretation and control by many.

I'm done with this rant. I'm so sick of religion and fanatics who are so lost, it truly hurts.

REAL CHRISTIANS ARE WALKING THE WALK OF CHRIST, NOT QUOTING PASSAGES AND CASTING STONES. THE 11TH COMMANDMENT TRUMPS ALL OTHERS IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING. THE RULE OF "THOU SHALT NOT BLASPHEME THE HOLY SPIRIT" IS ABOUT AS VAGUE A WARNING AS THE WORDS THAT WILL GET YOU BANNED ON GLP. NOBODY HAS F*CKING CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE AND ONLY AFTER THEY USE ONE DO THEY FIND OUT IT'S TOO LATE!

Later. Hope you make it to heaven.

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I actually did freeze the real hell over in Nevada this last winter.
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satan works for god. god is satans boss. satan can only do what god orders him to. satan is gods slave and satan would be killed if he does not comply and do gods every wish.

true fact
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Yeah...

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what am I missing here? god and satan are just chillin over a few drinks and satan starts busting god’s chops about JOB? I think I understand what this is all about - my intention is not to be a blasphemer. Curious to hear what GLP has to say about this.
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God let Satan take many things away from Job, two times and then God took Job's sorrow away. Job would have known the verses apply to everybody who has died rather than he alone will be resurrected. The text points to the Great White Throne event as that is after God sends Satan to the fiery lake and that is at the end of the 1,000 year reign.

Job:14:12-15:
So man lieth down,
and riseth not:
till the heavens be no more,
they shall not awake,
nor be raised out of their sleep.
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave,
that thou wouldest keep me secret,
until thy wrath be past,
that thou wouldest appoint me a set time,
and remember me!
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

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Yeah...

And
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Does the fight ever end? Not when our children are involved.
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I'm not implying that all Shadows are bad either.
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satan works for god. god is satans boss. satan can only do what god orders him to. satan is gods slave and satan would be killed if he does not comply and do gods every wish.

true fact
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No it isn't. This is what Satan and fallen angels are about.

From the beginning of the 7th creation day until the flood there are 3 different beings on earth. Men and women that are the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve are distinguished by them having 5 fingers and 5 toes on each hand and foot. Ge:1 established their home as being from the surface of the earth to as highs as birds can fly or cloud height.
Angels are from the space above that to the farthest parts of the universe. Re:12 has the moon as being the lowest part of that 2nd heaven.
The garden area in Ge:2 is the domain of Adam and Eve until they started to have children, Angels were witnesses to creation as defined in Ge:1 and the best version is the 'old earth' version as it allows the end of day 1 to be 4B years ago. The old megaliths that are found scattered around and in ruins were built by Angels and in a world without sin those places would have been left of the 5-fingered people to find and use. Sin cause them all to be dismantled or buried by the same Angels that put the fallen angels into the Pit where they wait until released and sent to the fiery lake. Mankind inherits their 'old home' in the new earth verses as they will have been taken to their promised 'new heaven'. That place is the 3rd heaven and it is the location of the Great White Throne event. The Angels in the verse below never leave that place as it is the perfected version of the heaven they were in. They were made less than perfect as they lack the emotions that were given to Adam and Eve that makes them able to be parents and have dominion over the other flesh.

Jude is a mini version of the book of Enoch. Enoch was not part of the Bible because it was so large and it had just 1 chapter that covers the 'Son of Man' while Revelations is only about that same event.


Jude:1:1-3:
Jude,
the servant of Jesus Christ,
and brother of James,
to them that are sanctified by God the Father,
and preserved in Jesus Christ,
and called:
Mercy unto you,
and peace,
and love,
be multiplied.
Beloved,
when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation,
it was needful for me to write unto you,
and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

'Common salvation' is referencing Angels being judged when Satan and all other fallen angels arte sent to the fiery lake. That is witnessed by the people who have been alive for the 1,000 years and that makes them as immortal as Angels so if any were to be in sin they would be sent there as well because they are equal to Angels as they would have been on the first day they were created. Just like Adam was able to see creation in the Garden on the 6th day was a mirror image how life filled the whole of Eden in the days before that. Men gain the same knowledge as the new earth verses unfold as the universe is the new earth and the things built by Angels will be in working condition when men find them.

Salvation of mankind is at the GWT event as they are the last of mankind to be gathered and it is the last event before the new earth era starts with New Jerusalem leaves the 3rd heaven and lands on this earth as it will look after being melted when Satan and Co. are sent to the lake. This place will hold New Jerusalem and the rest of it will be the 'courtyard' and the building of houses in Isa:65 will be on 'other worlds'.

2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

The 'men' below are the 'sons of God' from Ge:6 and that term will also apply to mankind starting with the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign and all through the new earth era. Part of that involves having a glorified body like the one Jesus had during the 40 days He was here after being resurrected. That is the 2nd birth and sin from that point on would see the person being sent to the fiery lake.
The 4 fallen angels that manifest into the 200M horsemen is an indication of what the term 'brute strengths' entails. Those 4 fallen angels kill 1/3 of all the people on the earth and it is by them that the 12 tribes are reduced to the 144,000 that are protected from being killed. Being virgins indicates they are children under the age of 20 years old.

All Angels are under the Re:21 law just like men will be when they are able to live more than 120 years as determined by God in Ge:6. Moses changed the Laws and he was the first to be subject to that age limit. Isa:65 expands on that as it covers people being born into the new earth. A person is an infant until they are 20, from 20-120 they are a 'child of God' and they are eternal beings like Adam and Eve as they need food to stay live. At 120 they are judged and when found to be sinless they are made immortal and cannot die ever and they need no food to remain alive. A sinner of that 100 years would be sent to the fiery lake.

Jude:1:4:
For there are certain men crept in unawares,
who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
ungodly men,
turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God,
and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Fallen angels are in sin because they broke the Re:21 set of laws and that is what God used to determine the world before the flood. The grief God felt was over what was being done to 5-fingered people by Angels and their children, 6 fingered giants born to the daughters of Eve. Those 6 fingered people are at the GWT and that is who the Seas give up. They are saved because their mothers were 5 fingered females.

Re:21:8:
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and whoremongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

The coming down from the mountain was one event, the one being referenced is the ones killed that were 20 and over was because they balked at going to war against the giants. The giants made a comeback after the flood because the 3 wives of Noah's sons were 6-fingered females and the son that went to Canaan is how they made a return. (6 fingered people married each other in that case while in the other two they only married 5 fingered people and eventually no more were born) Noah and his wife and their 3 sons were the last 5 fingered people on earth as the program was to kill them all so a 'seed of Eve' could not be born to fulfill the Ge:3:15 bruises.

Jude:1:5:
I will therefore put you in remembrance,
though ye once knew this,
how that the Lord,
having saved the people out of the land of Egypt,
afterward destroyed them that believed not.

The destruction of fallen angels is when Satan is sent to the fiery lake. Jesus puts him in the same Pit that now holds all fallen angels as they have to come from there to be sent to the fiery lake. Prison and then execution. The grave is the prison men are sent to but because they are from the 1st birth (1st heaven beings) they can be forgiven and returned to being in good standing with God.

Estate and habitation would be the 2nd heaven and the different law that they were under. The day angels are sent to the fiery lake is the judgment being mentioned. Satan has the key to the bottomless Pit and he is allowed to let 1 fallen angel out and it is called 'the Beast from the Bottomless Pit' who has a head wound that is healed, that means he was a king on the earth before the flood that killed all his children. Immortals cannot die, let alone be drowned in water.

Jude:1:6:
And the angels which kept not their first estate,
but left their own habitation,
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Strange flesh would be the daughters of Eve and the sin was taking a wife as angels are not given in marriage (so their children do not fall into sin and have to be sent to the lake)


Jude:1:7:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication,
and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Eternal fire for men is the 1,000 years in hell, eternal fire for fallen angels is the Pit (hell is a locked cage in the Pit) followed by the fiery lake. The verse below is indicating that all 7 articles of the Re:21 law were being broken prior to the flood. The 42 months given to The Beast from the Pit starts on the day the 5th trump sounds and is over on the day the 7th trump sounds (Re:11 version) In the Book of Daniel that is the iron/clay kingdom and all references to that is only about them. Da:2, the last few verse in Da:8 and all of Da:11 plus the 4th beast from Da:7 is about that 42 months, 1260 literal days. The world surrenders on the 1st day, the two witnesses start they ministry 4 days before the 5th trump sounds and they protect Jerusalem from their rule until they die and the Satan has control for the time they are in the grave. Within 1 hour of them being resurrected the 7th trump sounds and that causes the 7 vials to be poured out in 3 1/2 hours and that is the end of angelic sinners and human sinners forever and ever. By the end of that day His Temple will be standing and all resurrections will have people being in the same condition Jesus was on the morning of His resurrection. Glorification takes place at the river in Eze:47 as the 'house' is the Temple that living water comes out of.

Jude:1:8:
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh,
despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities.

What they preached before the flood is the same thing they will be preaching right upuntil the resurrection of the two witnesses. Satan is put into chains and thrown into the Pit. The Beast and the False Prophet come from the Pit and are sent to the lake. The 200M horsemen are killed in the river of blood verse and their bones are gathered by the whole House of Israel (the 144,000 and the Eze:37 resurrected people) and put in a special graveyard called gog and they unite with Satan and are sent to the fiery lake. Eze:39 says the people are robbing them as they killed the people and putting the bones in that one location means they end up in the fiery lake which is death for an immortal being.

Jude:1:9:
Yet Michael the archangel,
when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses,
durst not bring against him a railing accusation,
but said,
The Lord rebuke thee.

Moses died at 120 so he could avoid the judgment that comes with the verse below. The dispute was over when the judgment was to take place, at the start of the day Moses turned 120 ot just before that single day ended.

Ge:6:3:
And the LORD said,
My spirit shall not always strive with man,
for that he also is flesh:
yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


Jude:1:10:
But these speak evil of those things which they know not:
but what they know naturally,
as brute beasts,
in those things they corrupt themselves.

God left angels without emotions that are required to be a good parent and a good shepherd to the flesh you have dominion over, man was given those things but less that immortal as even without sin they needed food to remain alive.

Jude:1:11:
Woe unto them!
for they have gone in the way of Cain,
and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward,
and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Murder is against the Re:21 law as is being a liar. All the articles were broken in the attempt to exterminate 5 fingered people

Jude:1:12:
These are spots in your feasts of charity,
when they feast with you,
feeding themselves without fear:
clouds they are without water,
carried about of winds;
trees whose fruit withereth,
without fruit,
twice dead,
plucked up by the roots;

Twice dead means they are destined to suffer the 2nd death which is being sent to the fiery lake where they will experience the pain they cause mankind to suffer (minus having children)

Jude:1:13:
Raging waves of the sea,
foaming out their own shame;
wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

This is a prophecy that was fulfilled by Holy Angels during the time the windows on the Ark were closed. Moses puts it as an historical event.

Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude:1:15:
To execute judgment upon all,
and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed,
and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

This is how it was before the flood and it will be the same as the 5th and 6th trumps unfold in what are called the first 2 woes on the inhabitants of the earth. Being an immortal is tyhe advantage they had over mankind in those days, in the tribulation they cause believers have prayers, sinceres prayers, ypo keep them alive so they are witnesses rather than victims as the kill a lot of people during the 6th trump verses.

Jude:1:16:
These are murmurers,
complainers,
walking after their own lusts;
and their mouth speaketh great swelling words,
having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jude:1:17:
But,
beloved,
remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude:1:18:
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.



That is a reference to 2 Peter:2 as that is also only about fallen angels rather than fallen men.

2Pe:2:1-3:
But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:
whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not,
and their damnation slumbereth not.


Jude:1:19:
These be they who separate themselves,
sensual,
having not the Spirit.

The transition goes from fallen angels to people who the NT calls the 'children of the light, as the Bible is their path to gain the wisdom to understand what is being said about Angels, holy and fallen.

Jude:1:20-25:
But ye,
beloved,
building up yourselves on your most holy faith,
praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
And of some have compassion,
making a difference:
And others save with fear,
pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,
and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour,
be glory and majesty,
dominion and power,
both now and ever.
Amen.
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Do you even realize that 99% of our problems WOULD NOT EXIST had God not created men and women as separate beings and giving us sexual organs as well?

God DID NOT MAKE US in his own image, unless God is both man and woman in some sort of union like he commands us to be in with marriage.

To that end then, I still maintain that God is therefore married to the Holy Spirit, the one who is then capable of providing Souls to human bodies which come from a continuous bonding and love between God and the Holy Spirit as a means of co-creating life and therefore, were able to conceive such a special child, one of their own, which was then made to be born inside Mary.

I believe THIS is the reason why you can't blaspheme the Holy Spirit as it is God's personal and true love, his woman, and like any real man would if someone bad talked their woman, they take them out.

It could also be for this reason, the ONLY reason, that Lucifer could EVER be jealous in Heaven. For if Lucifer was the most beautiful thing in existence at that point, then the ONLY other thing that God would have more favor and giving attention to would be, his betrothed, The Holy Spirit.

Why else would there be a sacred "Trinity", if it wasn't defining the framework of what man/woman/child is supposed to be, here on Earth, when Man and Woman then come together? In the case of the Trinity, there would only be ONE savior, and that is why it is then defined that way.

PS - Could Adam have been the first son of God and the Holy Spirit then, but not the Christ? For there was no need for a Christ to deliver anyone at that point.

For that matter, why is this whole life thing so f*cking complicated with these matters? See what religion does?
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what am I missing here? god and satan are just chillin over a few drinks and satan starts busting god’s chops about JOB? I think I understand what this is all about - my intention is not to be a blasphemer. Curious to hear what GLP has to say about this.
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The first question that any intelligent person would ask... is who wrote it?

The second question is what do critical textual scholars say about it?
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Re: The book of JOB - so god and satan were just chillin having a talk?
Do you even realize that 99% of our problems WOULD NOT EXIST had God not created men and women as separate beings and giving us sexual organs as well?

God DID NOT MAKE US in his own image, unless God is both man and woman in some sort of union like he commands us to be in with marriage.

To that end then, I still maintain that God is therefore married to the Holy Spirit, the one who is then capable of providing Souls to human bodies which come from a continuous bonding and love between God and the Holy Spirit as a means of co-creating life and therefore, were able to conceive such a special child, one of their own, which was then made to be born inside Mary.

I believe THIS is the reason why you can't blaspheme the Holy Spirit as it is God's personal and true love, his woman, and like any real man would if someone bad talked their woman, they take them out.

It could also be for this reason, the ONLY reason, that Lucifer could EVER be jealous in Heaven. For if Lucifer was the most beautiful thing in existence at that point, then the ONLY other thing that God would have more favor and giving attention to would be, his betrothed, The Holy Spirit.

Why else would there be a sacred "Trinity", if it wasn't defining the framework of what man/woman/child is supposed to be, here on Earth, when Man and Woman then come together? In the case of the Trinity, there would only be ONE savior, and that is why it is then defined that way.

PS - Could Adam have been the first son of God and the Holy Spirit then, but not the Christ? For there was no need for a Christ to deliver anyone at that point.

For that matter, why is this whole life thing so f*cking complicated with these matters? See what religion does?
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It's the Prime Creator's fault you're not able to reproduce because you're here to not have the ability to reproduce because you choose not to and bitch that things are complicated? Please don't ask me to explain further.
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Re: The book of JOB - so god and satan were just chillin having a talk?
Do you even realize that 99% of our problems WOULD NOT EXIST had God not created men and women as separate beings and giving us sexual organs as well?

God DID NOT MAKE US in his own image, unless God is both man and woman in some sort of union like he commands us to be in with marriage.

To that end then, I still maintain that God is therefore married to the Holy Spirit, the one who is then capable of providing Souls to human bodies which come from a continuous bonding and love between God and the Holy Spirit as a means of co-creating life and therefore, were able to conceive such a special child, one of their own, which was then made to be born inside Mary.

I believe THIS is the reason why you can't blaspheme the Holy Spirit as it is God's personal and true love, his woman, and like any real man would if someone bad talked their woman, they take them out.

It could also be for this reason, the ONLY reason, that Lucifer could EVER be jealous in Heaven. For if Lucifer was the most beautiful thing in existence at that point, then the ONLY other thing that God would have more favor and giving attention to would be, his betrothed, The Holy Spirit.

Why else would there be a sacred "Trinity", if it wasn't defining the framework of what man/woman/child is supposed to be, here on Earth, when Man and Woman then come together? In the case of the Trinity, there would only be ONE savior, and that is why it is then defined that way.

PS - Could Adam have been the first son of God and the Holy Spirit then, but not the Christ? For there was no need for a Christ to deliver anyone at that point.

For that matter, why is this whole life thing so f*cking complicated with these matters? See what religion does?
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It's the Prime Creator's fault you're not able to reproduce because you're here to not have the ability to reproduce because you choose not to and bitch that things are complicated? Please don't ask me to explain further.
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I won't, because you sound like a moron.

I have a child, lol. Who said not being able to reproduce?

Get a clue... here it is... go to bed, you're done for today.
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Re: The book of JOB - so god and satan were just chillin having a talk?
Job was a turning point in man’s relationship with God

Satan broke his curse, returned to heaven and came before the presence of God. Something that last happened before the fall. That’s pretty incredible to think about and something Catholicism denies as made up by the author. Nah, it’s real and that conversation scares many. Satan got back to heaven as an angel after the fall.

Yes, demons can be redeemed.

Long secret short, Satan got back to heaven because of what he didn’t do to Job. So in an effort to bind Satan back to earth, God let him grow in new efforts— causing harm to someone blameless. Which was a spiritual stepping stone that led us to the covenant God made with man through Christ.
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So hold up... let me get this straight.

God screwed up before mankind was created, with Lucifer and 1/3rd of his angels not wanting to be in his company anymore, even though God was supposed to be the "bee's knees", "All Loving", "Creator of Heaven" and even the angels themselves, correct?

Then after Lucifer and the 1/3rd leave, he decides to create Adam and Eve, the first humans, and place them on which planet, in ALL of the Universe. Of ALL THE PLANETS, GALAXIES AND ANYWHERE that God could have created Eden? Oh, that's right, he places Adam and Eve where Lucifer and the 1/3rd decided to already make their new home.


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Your reading Genesis wrong. Read it with Strong's Concordance, looking up all the meanings of the words used. It is shocking the secret that is hidden:

6th Day humanoids, where made by the Elohim(plural), female and male, at the same time.

Adam, was formed, by the Lord of the Elohim, some time after the 7th Day.

Eve was not formed at the same time, and was made from Adam's genetic material(kind of female clone of Adam).

The War in Heaven, was over worship. The Angel's, made the 6th Day humanoids in their image/likeness, and thought they deserved worship from them, as they made them.

Heavenly Father thought differently, as illustrated by Christ's final rebuke when Satan was tempting him, and what Satan wanted: To be worshiped.

After the early stage of the War was over, Adam was created to be a "Priest King", to rule over the 6th Day humanoids and show them how to worship the Heavenly Father.

The rest, well is more or less history.





GLP