PAGANS: Would You Sacrifice Your Life For Your God(s)/Belief/Faith? | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 263516 United States 07/09/2007 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we know better. Doctrine is for fools. Lip service is easy. It opens the door to opportunity. The question is such that it cannot be answered. One does not sacrifice anything for what you call belief/faith and what we call truth. There is no honor in dying for the sake of pride. After all pride is an effect of ego. Ego is a tool that helps create identity. When too much emphasis is placed on ego, we tend to place to great a value and even a misplaced understanding on pride. When you know the truth, you will realize that no sacrifice is ever necessary for the sake of spiritual growth. God will never ask you to sacrifice your life. You can accept Islam or Christianity, or Buddhism in order to satisfy the conditions of men. doing so will not alter the truth once you know it. Anyone who would choose to be put to death rather than abrogate their belief structure to another man, does not know the truth, because the truth does not constrain. It sets one free. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 263505 United States 07/09/2007 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we know better. Doctrine is for fools. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263516Lip service is easy. It opens the door to opportunity. The question is such that it cannot be answered. One does not sacrifice anything for what you call belief/faith and what we call truth. There is no honor in dying for the sake of pride. After all pride is an effect of ego. Ego is a tool that helps create identity. When too much emphasis is placed on ego, we tend to place to great a value and even a misplaced understanding on pride. When you know the truth, you will realize that no sacrifice is ever necessary for the sake of spiritual growth. God will never ask you to sacrifice your life. You can accept Islam or Christianity, or Buddhism in order to satisfy the conditions of men. doing so will not alter the truth once you know it. Anyone who would choose to be put to death rather than abrogate their belief structure to another man, does not know the truth, because the truth does not constrain. It sets one free. Thanks for your reply. That's very interesting. If I understand you correctly, a Pagan would submit, deny their God(s)/belief/faith, accept the imposed God(s)/belief/faith, and retain their life in return - as opposed to dying a martyr. Thanks again, I hope I understood you correctly. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 263169 United Kingdom 07/09/2007 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When you know the truth, you will realize that no sacrifice is ever necessary for the sake of spiritual growth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263516Not exactly true in my opinion, let's say for instance that your girlfriend, wife, husband or boyfriend is having an affair and they are pretty sure that they love each other, but the only reason you are holding on is not necessarily because you love him/her, but because you are afraid of being alone. Then it might be better to sacrifice your relationship so that they whom believe that they love each other can be together, so that you can be alone so that you can overcome your fear of being alone so that you can be a little more introspective to discover who "you" really are and so draw on your own resources both spiritual and physical. To overcome your fears is also a part of the spiritual path. |
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User ID: 256779 United States 07/09/2007 06:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When you know the truth, you will realize that no sacrifice is ever necessary for the sake of spiritual growth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263169Not exactly true in my opinion, let's say for instance that your girlfriend, wife, husband or boyfriend is having an affair and they are pretty sure that they love each other, but the only reason you are holding on is not necessarily because you love him/her, but because you are afraid of being alone. Then it might be better to sacrifice your relationship so that they whom believe that they love each other can be together, so that you can be alone so that you can overcome your fear of being alone so that you can be a little more introspective to discover who "you" really are and so draw on your own resources both spiritual and physical. To overcome your fears is also a part of the spiritual path. I really like this answer. |
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non pagan User ID: 263588 Australia 07/09/2007 06:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm just curious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263505I know there are different beliefs/faiths whose followers are willing to die for their God(s), and I am willing to die for my God. If you are a Pagan, are you willing to die for your God(s)/belief/faith? For example: If you were put into a situation where you had to accept Islam, or lose your head. What would you choose? You are a jerk OP. What are you trying to do? Feel superior to pagans? Is that how little your faith actually means that you need to puff yourself up in front of others? What would you do, you know if someone actually put it on the line with you right now, walked up put a gun to your head and said DENY CHRIST MOFO!! I seriously doubt you'd have that courage if you have to resort to such pithy little attempts to belittle others to make yourself look good in your own eyes. Too holier than thou by far. Nice little touch about the "accept Islam or die bit" too. Nicely distracts from all the pagans Christians have burned over the years. Gee I wonder what Jesus would have thought about that post of yours. I wonder what he thinks right now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 263169 United Kingdom 07/09/2007 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When you know the truth, you will realize that no sacrifice is ever necessary for the sake of spiritual growth. Quoting: ZodevaNot exactly true in my opinion, let's say for instance that your girlfriend, wife, husband or boyfriend is having an affair and they are pretty sure that they love each other, but the only reason you are holding on is not necessarily because you love him/her, but because you are afraid of being alone. Then it might be better to sacrifice your relationship so that they whom believe that they love each other can be together, so that you can be alone so that you can overcome your fear of being alone so that you can be a little more introspective to discover who "you" really are and so draw on your own resources both spiritual and physical. To overcome your fears is also a part of the spiritual path. I really like this answer. Thank you Zodeva, I believe that personal sacrifices are a part of the process of spiritual evolution, even something as simple a stopping smoking can be a part of this process. |
OP User ID: 65352 United States 07/09/2007 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The purpose for my post should be obvious. Since I am a Christian, I believe there will be a literal fullfillment of the "Mark Of The Beast" prophecy. Christians will lose their life for their God (unless they reject Him), and I was just curious what the Pagans would do in such a situation. I didn't bash anyone. Thanks for the responses. |
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Get over yourself User ID: 258484 United States 07/09/2007 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are a jerk OP. Quoting: non pagan 263588What are you trying to do? Feel superior to pagans? Is that how little your faith actually means that you need to puff yourself up in front of others? What would you do, you know if someone actually put it on the line with you right now, walked up put a gun to your head and said DENY CHRIST MOFO!! I seriously doubt you'd have that courage if you have to resort to such pithy little attempts to belittle others to make yourself look good in your own eyes. Too holier than thou by far. Nice little touch about the "accept Islam or die bit" too. Nicely distracts from all the pagans Christians have burned over the years. Gee I wonder what Jesus would have thought about that post of yours. I wonder what he thinks right now. Your insults prove how truly insecure you are. The OP must have hit home with something. glptrainer(at)yahoo.com |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 239052 Canada 07/09/2007 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm just curious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263505I know there are different beliefs/faiths whose followers are willing to die for their God(s), and I am willing to die for my God. If you are a Pagan, are you willing to die for your God(s)/belief/faith? I think you should feel lucky that most pagans would sacrifice their lives for YOU and not idols. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52612 Netherlands 07/09/2007 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you choose to die for your belief then that is ok. Your genes won't be missed in the human gene pool. Maybe those that prefer to choose death above life will have their 10 minutes of fame on the Darwin website...too bad they won't be around to enjoy it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 239052 Canada 07/09/2007 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you choose to die for your belief then that is ok. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52612Your genes won't be missed in the human gene pool. Maybe those that prefer to choose death above life will have their 10 minutes of fame on the Darwin website...too bad they won't be around to enjoy it. Not to worry, they'll be back. |
OP User ID: 67582 United States 07/09/2007 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 256901Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 160293 Canada 07/09/2007 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: OP 67582Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? So you were really trying to say 'heathen' but just didn't have the balls? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256901 United Kingdom 07/09/2007 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: OP 67582Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? Yes you are. Paganism is a beautiful spirituality all of it's own. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 160293 Canada 07/09/2007 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 256901Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? Yes you are. Paganism is a beautiful spirituality all of it's own. Agreed. Pagans follow a particular spiritual path. The OP seemed to mean 'heathen'. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67582 United States 07/09/2007 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 160293Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? So you were really trying to say 'heathen' but just didn't have the balls? If you would prefer to be called a "Heathen", then I have no problem with that - I guess I thought that "Pagan" was the correct term. I'm sorry if I offended any "Heathens" by calling them "Pagans". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 117656 United States 07/09/2007 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we know better. Doctrine is for fools. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 263516Lip service is easy. It opens the door to opportunity. The question is such that it cannot be answered. One does not sacrifice anything for what you call belief/faith and what we call truth. There is no honor in dying for the sake of pride. After all pride is an effect of ego. Ego is a tool that helps create identity. When too much emphasis is placed on ego, we tend to place to great a value and even a misplaced understanding on pride. When you know the truth, you will realize that no sacrifice is ever necessary for the sake of spiritual growth. God will never ask you to sacrifice your life. You can accept Islam or Christianity, or Buddhism in order to satisfy the conditions of men. doing so will not alter the truth once you know it. Anyone who would choose to be put to death rather than abrogate their belief structure to another man, does not know the truth, because the truth does not constrain. It sets one free. Bravo! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 256901 United Kingdom 07/09/2007 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67582Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? So you were really trying to say 'heathen' but just didn't have the balls? If you would prefer to be called a "Heathen", then I have no problem with that - I guess I thought that "Pagan" was the correct term. I'm sorry if I offended any "Heathens" by calling them "Pagans". ....I think you insulted Pagans |
OP User ID: 67582 United States 07/09/2007 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 160293Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? Yes you are. Paganism is a beautiful spirituality all of it's own. Agreed. Pagans follow a particular spiritual path. The OP seemed to mean 'heathen'. Again, I'm sorry if my terminology was wrong - I didn't mean to leave anyone out. So my question is directed to BOTH Pagans AND Heathens... |
Servant of Tlaloc User ID: 260112 Mexico 07/09/2007 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pagan=Non-abrahamist? OP, the majority of the world's population, now as in every other point in time, is non-Abrahamic. Care to specify? There are African religions, Hinduists, Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, idol-worshipers, and a million other kinds. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 263169 United Kingdom 07/09/2007 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OP doesn't even know what a pagan is. Quoting: OP 67582Well said To make myself clear: My use of the term "Pagan" was intended to include all beliefs/faiths other than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Am I wrong in this? There was a time when Pagan simply meant "country dweller" but I guess it must have been heavily distorted since then. |
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