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Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 07/24/2019 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First the wheat and then the tares. Quoting: janedoenut Noah was spared whilst the wicked perished. As in the days of Noe. At the last trump, first the dead and then the living. Good grief, pick up a bible and actually read it. If you get 'raptured', you're either dead or a wicked tare. can you not read? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. does that ^^^ describe taking the "wicked"?.....No. He's taking those that belong to him. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77789155 United States 07/24/2019 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ returned in 1954. His Millennial Reign has begun starting FEB 5 of this year. meat avatar while I comprehend I think what you are saying... has nothing to do with Christ returning... Now the fallen Lucifer angels.. that is what you are refering to above in a sense.... they are in flesh until they return to Nebadon and back in service... Many are.. many will not. Those who return return in their natural "suits" not of flesh the use in the realm they are from. |
Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 07/24/2019 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christ returned in 1954. His Millennial Reign has begun starting FEB 5 of this year. meat avatar while I comprehend I think what you are saying... has nothing to do with Christ returning... Now the fallen Lucifer angels.. that is what you are refering to above in a sense.... they are in flesh until they return to Nebadon and back in service... Many are.. many will not. Those who return return in their natural "suits" not of flesh the use in the realm they are from. baloney. Christ didn't return in one of your urantian spaceships in 1954. that is an evil LIE. and one you still have yet to post the proof of...where is it? you'll never post any proof because its a LIE and it never happened. and no his millennial reign didn't begin in Feb. there is far too much bible prophecy yet to play out. but when he does return and when his millenial reign begins, it will be Christians who rule with him. NOT the craprantians. Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand year[/color]s Last Edited by Baloney on 07/24/2019 02:02 PM |
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User ID: 75923721 United States 07/24/2019 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can you not read? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. does that ^^^ describe taking the "wicked"?.....No. He's taking those that belong to him. No Baloney... What happens is directly dependent on where mankind goes in his evolution. The wheat does not have to leave the planet... It is you who misunderstands.. it is not me. and we have a change in personality again Baloney.. which one of you is it today. The mistranslated purposely muched up bible also taken from those long ago who did not understand the mission of Christ.. Paul/saul included.. makes your bible definately not the word of God.. It has been USED on purpose to destroy Christ.. and if you and others who engage in "holy communion" practice blood satanism and know it not. Look at the satanism being exposed NOW... eating kids and blood and using blood for extracts by these dark shits... as LOOK at your holy communion service. There was a last supper.. the BREAD is a reminder of Christ Jesus of Nebadon being the BREAD OF LIFE IN NEBADON as its Father... and the WINE was given as a symbol of his having incarnated here on this world... The worst I have seen in Christianity on this one.. is one becomes like christ by eating a wafer said to be his actual meat suit... and the blood part is worse than that. How would the dark shits KILL OF THE INFLUENCE OF CHRIST JESUS... They would CORRUPT HIS FOLLOWERS WITH TRASH and GARBAGE. no canadace, there is no "mistranslation, just as there is no nebadon. the dark shits in service to satan of nebadon aren't removed to anywhere. they are left behind and will serve satan of nebadon's antichrist. that is YOU. and your cult people. those who belong to Jesus are taken by him, and remain with him....forever. and not one of your evi, wicked lies will ever change that FACT. the only one corrupting with trash and garbage here is YOU. with your false, new-age channeled urantia trash! Last Edited by Baloney on 07/24/2019 02:07 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75706860 United States 07/24/2019 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Apostle Paul wrote not to even get in to conversations like these as they don’t produce any fruit and do not build anyone up. And Jesus said he is coming back for those that are his, and it specifically states that those that are Christ’s have crucified their flesh. Everyone done that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76583337 :9teen: Yes to some imperfect degree, but our own messed up lives is not the problem because no matter how hard we try all we are doing is spinning our wheels. We have to be ready now for the Lords return which is literally at any moment. I believe in a catching away ye. I want you to show me in the bible of your doctrine that jesus comes in two phases? I can show you where it says jesus comes immediately after the great tribulation. you show me where it says he is coming before the great tribulation.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77789155 United States 07/24/2019 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | HE IS HERE... and his more public appearance will begin after the removal of the Dark shits... Please see my thread.. Thread: The Millennial Reign of Christ Jesus |
Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 07/24/2019 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: The Millennial Reign of Christ Jesus NOPE. He is not here and he has made no pubic appearances and again, you are the dark shits, you're not being removed to anywhere. take your lies elsewhere |
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User ID: 77052010 United States 07/24/2019 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Luke 21:36 “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." Revelation 3:10 “And he brought them out and said, 'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' So they said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.'" Acts 16:30-31 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77789155 United States 07/24/2019 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” Quoting: Zeke38 Luke 21:36 “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." Revelation 3:10 And why should any of you escape what is now.. over some stupid trib story? WE are IN THE TRIB fully.. LOOK AROUND YOU. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66472922 United States 07/24/2019 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let us look at the history of the rapture. Rapture is a popular term used by some Christians for the rising of the faithful from the dead. This belief states that the rising of the faithful from the dead will be prior to or after a period of immense trouble or tribulation. After seven years of tribulation, the belief is then that there will be 1,000 years of peace followed by the day of final judgment. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 Where did this belief come from? Until the 1830s all Christian Churches believed basically the same things about the second coming of Jesus Christ. Around this time a member of the Scottish sect the Irvingites, Margaret MacDonald, made the first claim that there would be Rapture and the faithful would be gathered to Christ before the period of persecution. From what can be gleaned from research, she was discounted by some people as being “of the Devil” and her prophesies have been discounted. John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) next picked up the belief in the Rapture and made it very popular. This belief of the Rapture made its way into the footnotes of a translation of the Bible by Cyrus Ingerson Scofiled and the Scofield Reference Bible. This version of the Bible was widely used in England and America and therefore the rapture started to become an accepted doctrine of belief. The rapture refers to a passage in First Thessalonians 4, where Christians are “caught up” in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Many Christians believe that this being “caught up” to meet the Lord will occur before the Great Tribulation sometime in the near future. Christians will simply vanish, meet Jesus somewhere in the air, and then return with Him to Heaven to await the end of time. But notice, in verse 15, Paul says that “…we who are alive, who are left,” shall be caught up. This is a very important point to stress. Those who are “left” get caught up to meet the Lord. Keep that in mind as you look at these next couple of Scripture passages. The popular Left Behind books get their name from a passage in Luke 17, and a similar passage in Matthew 24, which compares the coming of the Lord to the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Matthew 24 puts it this way: “As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man…[they ate, they drank, they married] and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Then two men will be in the field, one is taken and one is left. Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken one is left.” “One is taken, one is left” — the Rapture right? Jesus takes the Christians and leaves behind non-Christians. That’s how rapture enthusiasts interpret these passages. Well, you need to say to them: “Not so fast, folks.” Two problems with the “Left Behind” interpretation: First, in the passages from Luke 17 and Matthew 24, Jesus’ coming is compared to the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Let’s think about that for a moment. After the flood, who was left? Noah and his family — the good guys. The bad guys were taken and the good guys were left behind! After Sodom and Gomorrah went up in smoke, who was left? Lot and his daughters — the good guys. The bad guys were taken and the good guys were left behind! The second problem with the “Left Behind” interpretation, has to do with what I mentioned above: 1 Thessalonians 4 says that those who are “left” get to meet Jesus in the air. You want to be left behind. Why? Because those who are left behind get to meet Jesus on His return to earth. Again, when you put 1 Thessalonians 4 together with Matthew 24 and Luke 17, it becomes quite apparent that the good guys are the ones left behind to meet Jesus. And, if you need further proof of that, there’s a passage in Matthew 13 that pretty much seals the deal. Matthew 13:39-43, “…and the enemy who sowed them [the bad seed] is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send His angels and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” So when Scripture says that “one is taken and one is left,” as it does in Luke 17 and Matthew 24, it is not talking about the Rapture, it is talking about the harvest at the close of the age. The ones who are taken, as it says in Matthew 13, are the evildoers. The angels have taken them and tossed them into the furnace of fire. So, the Left Behind books got it exactly 180 degrees wrong. The ones taken are not the good guys, they are the evildoers. The ones who are left behind are the ones who get to be caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming, when He will bring all of the angels and saints with Him and there will be a new Heaven and a new earth. In other words, there will be no Rapture like the one the Left Behind books talk about. The Left Behind books teach the opposite of what Scripture actually says. I present this in good faith and I am not trying to change anyone’s mind or belief. I am simply presenting an opinion because many Christians do not accept the belief in a rapture as detailed above. BIG :hugs 1: for you. And it is the evil shits that are going to be removed from this world.. just as I have covered for some time now... all at once .. in one major event. Rapture as conceived by Christians believing it is not even possible... Jesus lives on no clouds in heaven... and ones cannot live in their bodies on clouds... RATIONAL THINKING would help... And regardless of the Christian beliefs.. Jesus started NO religion.. and came for all peoples of the world. So those that believe rapture is for Christian only are deluded as it gets. The spirit of Truth was bestowed... the comforter on all FLESH.. not Christian flesh and the Spirit of Truth was bestowed INTO THE GENETIC MIND OF THIS PLANET....which guides all life... including the animals ...they get their instincts from the genetic mind. All those humans who have a Fragment of God the Father.. can access the contents of the Spirit of Truth.. which is NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT. The holy spirit is MIND period and life... and it has been on this planet as 3rd person Trinity since life was initiated on this world 550 MILLION YEARS AGO. Your churches do not teach the Father Fragment... which makes everyone who is of faith.. the faith is not the religion...an ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER. YOU ACCESS YOUR FATHER THRU YOUR OWN MIND. And NO OTHER WAY. Religions are irrelevant to this process. You of Christianity who believe ONLY YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND NOBODY ELSE ARE USED AS CANNON FODDER and USED TO SUPPORT WAR against ISLAM Because somebody named SKY GOD wants it. So will all satanist be removed? What about the people who don’t think they are satanists, the ones who have been deceived? |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 75895360 United Kingdom 07/24/2019 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Apostle Paul wrote not to even get in to conversations like these as they don’t produce any fruit and do not build anyone up. And Jesus said he is coming back for those that are his, and it specifically states that those that are Christ’s have crucified their flesh. Everyone done that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76583337 Yes to some imperfect degree, but our own messed up lives is not the problem because no matter how hard we try all we are doing is spinning our wheels. We have to be ready now for the Lords return which is literally at any moment. I believe in a catching away ye. I want you to show me in the bible of your doctrine that jesus comes in two phases? I can show you where it says jesus comes immediately after the great tribulation. you show me where it says he is coming before the great tribulation.... The Lord comes twice. The first time in the Rapture, as detailed in the verses below. And the second time as you say at the climax of the Great Tribulation. But we will be sheltered in Heaven during that event, which is the wrath being poured out upon all the wicked unbelievers. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.[/b] |
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User ID: 77801149 United States 07/24/2019 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Apostle Paul wrote not to even get in to conversations like these as they don’t produce any fruit and do not build anyone up. And Jesus said he is coming back for those that are his, and it specifically states that those that are Christ’s have crucified their flesh. Everyone done that? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76583337 Yes to some imperfect degree, but our own messed up lives is not the problem because no matter how hard we try all we are doing is spinning our wheels. We have to be ready now for the Lords return which is literally at any moment. I believe in a catching away ye. I want you to show me in the bible of your doctrine that jesus comes in two phases? I can show you where it says jesus comes immediately after the great tribulation. you show me where it says he is coming before the great tribulation.... The Lord comes twice. The first time in the Rapture, as detailed in the verses below. And the second time as you say at the climax of the Great Tribulation. But we will be sheltered in Heaven during that event, which is the wrath being poured out upon all the wicked unbelievers. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.[/b] Um, nope. Not even close. A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once. Fear cuts deeper than swords. #Notmypresident. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77789155 United States 07/24/2019 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77846709 Deuteronomy 22:5 I don't know... ask him. This is not truth. OT has TONS of Bullshit in it. The Lord of the OT was mostly the anunnaki by the way.. and other ETS.. Some of them did teach some truth. God has no requirements on dress that each sex may choose to wear and makes no cultural stipulations on such. There are cultures where men wear dresses as such.. look at the arabs for example. so do some IRISH.. who wear kilts which re skirts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77846709 United States 07/24/2019 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can always tell who's researched the letter from God and who has not. Quoting: Chip Rapture is one of the main indicators of a serious biblical comprehension issue. Let me put it straight out there; If you believe in the rapture...you're telling God you absolutely despise him and desire satan over him. That's basically the entire purpose of the rapture deception. False. I believe in Jesus Christ and live for Him. |
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Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 07/24/2019 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77846709 Deuteronomy 22:5 I don't know... ask him. This is not truth. OT has TONS of Bullshit in it. The Lord of the OT was mostly the anunnaki by the way.. and other ETS.. Some of them did teach some truth. God has no requirements on dress that each sex may choose to wear and makes no cultural stipulations on such. There are cultures where men wear dresses as such.. look at the arabs for example. so do some IRISH.. who wear kilts which re skirts. your craprantia book has nothing but Bullshit in it. It is not truth. which is why your fruits are rotten to the core |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77846709 United States 07/24/2019 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True Christians are not appointed to God's wrath but are definitely appointed to tribulation. Quoting: BirdMom We will be here for the Great Tribulation, hated and persecuted by the world, but once God starts pouring out His wrath, it will not be poured out upon us. All people have tribulation in life. That does not mean all go through the Great Tribulation. You can't make even that distinction?! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77789155 United States 07/24/2019 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True Christians are not appointed to God's wrath but are definitely appointed to tribulation. Quoting: BirdMom We will be here for the Great Tribulation, hated and persecuted by the world, but once God starts pouring out His wrath, it will not be poured out upon us. All people have tribulation in life. That does not mean all go through the Great Tribulation. You can't make even that distinction?! how much more tribulation do you ones want? How about the two world wars... certainly that was tribulation. How about the destrucion YOU ALLOWED DEAR CHRISTIANS to the MIDDLE EAST just since 911.. certainly it was plenty of tribulation for them. YOU HAVE BEEN MIND CONTROLLED SO BADLY YOU CANNOT REASON.. IT IS TIME TO PUT ON YOUR GOD GIVEN MIND and USE IT. I AM NOT BEING ABUSIVE HERE> THIS IS TRUTH SHOVED IN YOUR FACES and ITS NEEDED. WAKE THE RUCK UP for God's sake.:Sparkly Heart::hugs 1::Keep Calm.. Ask : |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77846709 United States 07/24/2019 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True Christians are not appointed to God's wrath but are definitely appointed to tribulation. Quoting: BirdMom We will be here for the Great Tribulation, hated and persecuted by the world, but once God starts pouring out His wrath, it will not be poured out upon us. All people have tribulation in life. That does not mean all go through the Great Tribulation. You can't make even that distinction?! how much more tribulation do you ones want? How about the two world wars... certainly that was tribulation. How about the destrucion YOU ALLOWED DEAR CHRISTIANS to the MIDDLE EAST just since 911.. certainly it was plenty of tribulation for them. YOU HAVE BEEN MIND CONTROLLED SO BADLY YOU CANNOT REASON.. IT IS TIME TO PUT ON YOUR GOD GIVEN MIND and USE IT. I AM NOT BEING ABUSIVE HERE> THIS IS TRUTH SHOVED IN YOUR FACES and ITS NEEDED. WAKE THE RUCK UP for God's sake.:Sparkly Heart::hugs 1::Keep Calm.. Ask : What does your spazzing post have to do with what I said? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77846709 United States 07/24/2019 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nah, I could show you all the quotes (as others have done) about how wrong you are ... but you are to pig headed to change your opinion ... thinking you are wise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650411 Your words are for yourself. You cannot hear them.. most of the quotes you might show are FAKE. Have you always thought you know everything? |
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