Pre-Tribulation Church Rapture 101

Judethz has let topics go off on tangents in the past.

I'm not derailing anything.

You made a claim about Biblical definitions.

I refuted it.

And here we are.

You don't get to dictate what is discussed in the thread.

AND...I already spoke my mind concerning "rapture".

Nope. You didn't refute anything, Heretic. The fact of the matter is you are so befuddled on the topic of the TRINITY which occurs in the first book of the Torah in the very first chapter, that I'm incredulous you even embarrass yourself in this way.

I'm not a member of any manmade group.

I read - cover to cover - 3 different translations of the Bible incl a Red Letter King James.

Then I stepped out to compare what I had learned versus what "mainstream" Christianity is.

"trinity" is church doctrine.

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The first of the early church fathers to be recorded using the word "Trinity" was Theophilus of Antioch writing in the late 2nd century.

He defines the Trinity as God, His Word (Logos) and His Wisdom (Sophia) in the context of a discussion of the first three days of creation, following the early Christian practice of identifying the Holy Spirit as the Wisdom of God.

The first defense of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian. He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended his theology against "Praxeas",[47] though he noted that the majority of the believers in his day found issue with his doctrine.


Then there's this....

Thread: Over 70% of Churches Reject Basic Biblical Teachings

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I love the ignore feature as why bother arguing about heresies in Christianity? I loathe posers who are not Christian whatsoever yet pretend they are devout.

You are not in the position to declare me a heretic.

You "trinity" folks spend more time teaching this pagan concept than you do leading folks to salvation.

THAT in itself says a LOT.

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Let's compare scriptural differences of the Father to the SON.

The Father states that "I am God".
Jesus constantly uses the terms "the Father" and "My Father".

The Father prays to NO one.
Jesus prays TO the Father and teaches the same via the Lord's Prayer - "OUR Father".

The Father is NOT humble - and has no reason to be humble.
Jesus humbles Himself TO the Father.

The Father sits on the throne in Heaven.
Jesus sits at the Father's Right Hand.

The Father (in the OT prophecies) states that He will SEND / "raise up" someone.
Jesus SAID He was SENT.

The Father is in Heaven.
Jesus states He will ascend TO His Father in Heaven, not to "Himself".

The Father knows when Jesus will return.
Jesus doesn't know when He will return.

The Father has Moses remove his sandals on "holy ground".
Jesus doesn' tell anyone to do such a thing.

The Father SENT Jesus.
Jesus doesn't send the Father.

The Father is the source of all power, authority and wisdom.
Jesus learned from the Father, speaks words from the Father and was "given" authority.

The Father IS God Himself.
Jesus is "the Christ", the "Messiah", the "Lamb OF God" and the "Son OF God".

The Father gives thanks to no one.
Jesus gives thanks to the Father.

The Father knows ALL.
Jesus learns from the Father.

The Father's Will is done.
Jesus doesn't do His own will.

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Exactly like I said..

When I agree with you, everything is hunky-dory...

When I disagree with you, you are nothing but contemptuous.

That is your heart truly revealed.

I believe in Jesus Christ. I don't lie. You call me liar first..

I disagree with the mere opinion of mere you.

Jesus Christ will decide between us.

Christians believe God came to us as one of us among us God with us as Jesus.

You don't believe that.

We know.

But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36

Or you are wrong and are quick to speak the worst of all that disagree with almighty you...


The Rapture. . Chuck Missler


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Postmodern J_ws have nothing to do with the Israelites. Nothing. I have proven that. They are worse than pagans because they routinely are atheists and agnostic and even say there are many ways to worship ha Shem ie YHWH.

Who has led more people to Jesus Christ and deepened the faith of so many more- you are Chuck Missler?

Who are you?

Chuck Missler is directly responsible for totally misleading his listeners concerning the parable of the wise and foolish virgins and thus many Christians will die.

How do you think Jesus will judge a heretic like Chuck Missler? He does NOT care what the Bible says. All he cares about is the doctrines of men which is the exact same error the scribes and Pharisees and every rabbi using the "so-called oral torah" ie all rabbic teachings.

What do you say is God's purpose for the Jewish people gathered together after 200 years in the land of Israel as the nation of Israel now?

Says you.

So what?

Who do you think you are?

You clearly think you have the most superior understanding of all of the things of God as compared to anyone else.

Who do you think you are?

Step up, bigshot.

Can man restore the 12 tribes of the Israelites? What a joke. Only YHWH can do that.

Why do you think there was OPPOSITION among the Hasidim? They were outraged that men were trying to restore what only YHWH can restore.

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"Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist
Groups like Neturei Karta and the Satmar Hasidim bitterly oppose the modern State of Israel.
BY DR. AVIEZER RAVITZKY
The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legitimacy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism."

I'm incredulous at the ignorance here because you don't understand there are J_ws were/are strongly anti-Zionists.

What is "salvation"

and how do YOU lead someone to salvation?

Of course... ... ... You did not answer the question.

Please answer the question I asked you.

"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.”"

Benjamin Franklin

REPENT while YOU still can!

It's against the law to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ in Israel. And to become an Israeli citizen, you have to rennounce Christianity!

Yet you Christian Zionist are apologists for this spirit of antichrists.

WhyKnot,

What do you say is God's purpose for the Jewish people gathered together after 200o years in the land of Israel as the nation of Israel now?


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