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Achduke7
 User ID: 77727871  United States08/18/2019 08:39 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where does it say the tribulation saints are lacking? Quoting: Achduke7 Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. These people follow God's commandments and have the testimony of Christ. You are falsely accusing them.  Well if they where not called up to meet the Lord in the air during the Rapture then obviously they where not right with the Lord at that moment in time.And it's where lacking, not lacking. Because when the shock of being left behind caused them to sincerely repent then obviously as you say "These people follow God's commandments and have the testimony of Christ." And that state of being unsaved is something that I and all other Christians have been in at some stage of our lives. So please quit with the unfounded accusations. The tribulation saints are called up at the same time as everyone. Like you said earlier there is only one rapture. If you miss the boat then you are left behind but we know the tribulation saints are not left behind because they have their robes in heaven. There is only one rapture and the tribulation saints are a part of it. Achduke |
| Judethz
(OP) User ID: 75895360  United Kingdom08/18/2019 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pretribbers invent an imaginary group that gets whisked away before the Beast even shows up. This group is purely fictional. Exist only in pretribber imaginations. ………………………………….. Quoting: JWP   There is only so much that you can say to people who just pretend that parts of the bible which directly contradict their pet theory's don't exist. We are literally in the twilight of the Age of Grace and at any moment the world will be plunged into the Great Tribulation. Remember that there is no guarantee that you will even get a chance to repent and become a Tribulation Saint. Nuclear weapons can and will wipe out millions of lives in just a few seconds.[b]Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish. Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. |
| Achduke7
User ID: 77727871 United States08/18/2019 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are literally in the twilight of the Age of Grace and at any moment the world will be plunged into the Great Tribulation. Remember that there is no guarantee that you will even get a chance to repent and become a Tribulation Saint. Nuclear weapons can and will wipe out millions of lives in just a few seconds. Quoting: Judethz Anyone can die at any time. We all need to believe in Christ and be right with God. Everyone dies. More just die at onetime during the tribulation. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/18/2019 09:23 AM Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77929745 United States08/18/2019 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Judethz :german3: Not filled with hate, yet you give thanks that this thread about warning people to save their souls is dying! Boy you sure could have fooled me. As for this thread dying as you so ineloquently put it, this is the internet after all, and 36 pages and over 10,000 views isn't all that bad. If the Rapture hasn't happened in a few weeks then I'll probably start another thread. It would seem there would be a consensus on what scripture says. Does scripture offer a consensus where everyone is in agreement? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all offer witness to the testimony of Jesus Christ on what HE says will occur. The consensus EVERY SINGLE Apostle writes about in scripture states that Jesus returns AFTER the tribulation. THEY BEAR WITNESS TO THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS AND WRITE IT OUT FOR US TO READ. Paul alludes to those exact scriptures when speaking. Anything other than what Jesus says and people attribute to Paul saying about a Rapture even is in fact just as Jesus lays out Himself in scripture and which they attest and witness to, THAT HE HIMSELF SAYS HE RETURNS AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Why you seek to put words into Jesus' mouth He doesn't say baffles me. :bridec: Indeed he does return at the end of the Great Tribulation. :bridea: But as the bible states quite clearly: before that the Lord calls those of us who believe in Him, to meet Him in the clouds. The Tribulation Saints IE: those who for whatever reason where found lacking at the time of the Rapture, but later came to salvation during the Great Tribulation will obviously be here at that time. The problem with people like you is that you ignore the fact that there is no guarantee that anyone will even get a chance to be a Tribulation Saint. Where does it say the tribulation saints are lacking? Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. These people follow God's commandments and have the testimony of Christ. You are falsely accusing them.  There we go. All the evidence anyone needs to know the truth. |
| Judethz
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| Achduke7
User ID: 77727871 United States08/18/2019 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone can die at any time. We all need to believe in Christ and be right with God. Everyone dies. More just die at onetime during the tribulation. Quoting: Achduke7  You seem to be very casual about unprepared souls heading for hell.I pray all are saved. Just the same not all are saved. Can you personally reach all 7 to 8 billion people in the world? Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, Achduke |
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| Truth 123 User ID: 77747381 United States08/18/2019 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that some people think they will escape the end times is strange. They are human, like the rest of us. They are in need of Gods’ mercy, just like the rest of us. But they think they are better than the rest of us. They are not better than the rest of us, they are just like us. They have their faults, they have their sins. When tribulation comes all will suffer, no one will escape it. Those that persevere to the end will be refined, will truly be Gods glory. Those that fall away will be cast into the fire. True faith is following Christ, even if it means following Him to suffering or death. |
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| Judethz
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77932344 United States08/18/2019 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that some people think they will escape the end times is strange. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. Luke 21:34-36 Do you pray so? |
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| Truth 123 User ID: 77747381 United States08/18/2019 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no rapture. We will all be here and go through it. Some will fall away, some will be refined. Christ will return and the final judgement will occur. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 In your opinion. It is not up to you. Jesus may disagree with your command.. The Jesus I know, the Paul that I know do not teach rapture. So this is not my opinion, it is their opinion. I did not issue a command, simply a statement. |
| Truth 123 User ID: 77747381 United States08/18/2019 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would Jesus Rapture those that rail incessantly against the Rapture? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77932344 My salvation depends on me admitting I am a sinner (I am and have admitted this to my fellow man and to God.) My salvation depends on accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior (I have.) My salvation depends on living a Godly life. My salvation does not depend on what I believe about the end times. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77932344 United States08/18/2019 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no rapture. We will all be here and go through it. Some will fall away, some will be refined. Christ will return and the final judgement will occur. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 In your opinion. It is not up to you. Jesus may disagree with your command.. The Jesus I know, the Paul that I know do not teach rapture. So this is not my opinion, it is their opinion. I did not issue a command, simply a statement. I Believe Jesus and Paul and that is why I believe the Rapture to be True. That is my opinion. Your Pride will not allow you to admit that your opinion is merely your opinion. |
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| Truth 123 User ID: 77747381 United States08/18/2019 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no rapture. We will all be here and go through it. Some will fall away, some will be refined. Christ will return and the final judgement will occur. Quoting: Truth 123 77747381 In your opinion. It is not up to you. Jesus may disagree with your command.. The Jesus I know, the Paul that I know do not teach rapture. So this is not my opinion, it is their opinion. I did not issue a command, simply a statement. I Believe Jesus and Paul and that is why I believe the Rapture to be True. That is my opinion. Your Pride will not allow you to admit that your opinion is merely your opinion. And your pride will not allow you to accept that no everyone believes as you believe. That your belief is the only belief and everyone else is wrong. You interpret scripture one way, others interpret it a different way. I do not care what you believe- believe what you want. But don't dare think you have the right to tell me what to beleive. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77932344 United States08/18/2019 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. Luke 21:34-36 |
Good grief, you sound like the Pope or something.
