Pre-Tribulation Church Rapture 101

I accept that no problem.

I debate with them all the time...

Yes, I might be wrong just as you might also be wrong.

YHWH of the TRINITY is who I worship and who richly blesses me. Who is this generic "God" you speak of?

As I said, the fact remains, you did not deny:

Then why did you begin by insisting that your opinion was not your opinion?


Perhaps you learned something right now...


See ya later.

If I am wrong,

I expect to die for Jesus Christ.

No Problem.

I do not think at any time I used the word opinion concerning myself.

He worships the TRINITY.

EVERYONE who doesn't believe EXACTLY like he does is a heretic.

2.2 billion people worship the TRINITY.

Funny how Jesus' own words tells us to pray to the Father.

Matthew 6

9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.

13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Luke 11

1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

This is the kind of heretical garbage on this corrupt topic.

You and your "heretic" nonsense.

Multi-millions believe in a rapture (I don't) and you call them heretics.

What are you - a Catholic priest or something?

"TRINITY" is a pagan concept that predates even Moses. Later Bible manuscripts were altered to support the idea.

Do the research. I have.

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I have made it crystal clear I believe in the harpazo in the order stated in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. The harpazo comes after the tribulation but before YHWH's Wrath is poured out.

No pre-tribber has proved their manmade relatively new doctrine. What they do ad nauseum is post Chuck Missler's sermons that are invariably heretical and contrary to the Bible. That is all dispensation nonsense from Scofield which are nothing more than footnotes, not Biblical.

Your talking trash. The Tribulation and the Lord's Wrath are the same thing.

Sorry - I disagree.

Notice all that happens in Luke 21 before Jesus mentions "wrath"

Luke 21

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

What you posted is HERESY. When was the last time you opened up a Bible and studied it with Bible commentary, Bible dictionaries, Greek and Hebrew references, and Bible maps?

You and your freakin' "heresy" non-sense.

Whether or not there is a rapture has NOTHING to do with a person's Salvation.

Give it a rest dude. The Inquisition was hundreds of years ago.

Our resident non-Christian who loathes the TRINITY hates the word heresy. Surprise surprise.

See
Galatians 5:20
1 Corinthians 11:19
Titus 3:10
2 Peter 2:1

When was the last time you opened up a Bible and studied it with Bible commentary, Bible dictionaries, Greek and Hebrew references, and Bible maps?


Is there some particular reason that I do all this. Either the bible speaks clearly or it doesn't. The confusion and stupidity is in your own mind.

:german7: Is there some particular reason that I do all this. Either the bible speaks clearly or it doesn't. The confusion and stupidity is in your own mind.


This coming from the person who only reads the sections they deem important. Hypocrite. Delete this one too!

The premise of this corrupt nonBiblical topic on the harpazo is that somehow judethz is qualified to be a teacher on this subject.

No teacher of the Bible would even begin to do exegesis without the tools I mentioned. To deny that a dictionary, maps, commentary, and Greek and Hebrew references are needed conclusively PROVES judethz is a fraud.

Oh, she really is though. She's admitted that she hasn't actually read let along studied the bible. She also starts a thread like this every couple months. She has been preaching the end of time since she was born.

Judethz doesn't attend church!

TRINITY isn't Biblical.

ANY numbskull who reads the Bible will see that...

Jesus....

1. Said to pray to the Father - Lord's Prayer.

2. NEVER said "pray to ME" / "worship ME".

3. NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" / "worship the Holy Spirit".

Matthew 28:19 was altered by the Catholics.

Tertullian - 3rd century - was the first to speak of a "trinity" - but admited that the view wasn't popular.

NOT Biblically SOUND doctrine.

PERIOD.

Can't blame her on that one, but you can still read read read. Lots of writing.

"Qualified to be a teacher"?

Who says YOU are? Some seminary?

The heretic who founded his own cult of gobbledegook that is contrary to the Bible is posting more anti-Christian propaganda.

Apologies that we aren't all proficient at copy and pasting the same shit like you. You are truly the only true Christian on the planet ...