Gun owners - What is the best way to fight gun crime/mass shootings? - Let's hear it..!!

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Last Edited by NeverEver on 08/05/2019 06:02 PM

In large stores, offer a 5% discount for those carrying.

Make it mandatory that everyone is armed.

For regular gun crime, declare war on gangs, deploy the National Guard to every major city, and kill every single gangbanger.

For mass shootings, legal open carry everywhere. Let every would-be mass shooter see a hundred guys with guns on their hips, and shotguns in gun racks in the back of every truck, everywhere they go.

No solution needed it's the price of liberty. I'm fully prepaired to allow all the antigun tards and their own to pay the price as they choose. I have no respect or regard for anyone who thinks they can put personal safety on autopilot at the cost of my ability to participate in keeping myself and mine safe as I choose.

I was at Walmart and a guy next to me was carrying.

It made me feel safer standing next to him. He looked like a hillbilly or from the woods. Tatoos and all, pants in the boots.

You know from a county without a Walmart.

This.

Going unarmed in this world is retarded and irresponsible.

I disagree. You seem to think there is 'no problem'

But there clearly is a gun crime problem in America...and it's getting worse.

And it's Your problem. By 'your'...I mean the problem of every responsible gun owner who wishes to keep their guns in the face of growing criticism of private ownership of firearms. By thinking there is no problem, seems to me you are just sitting back and letting things happen 'to' you, rather than proposing a working solution. And I suspect that things happening 'to' you won't exactly go in the direction that you want, if gun crime keeps on rising.

I think I'm more in agreement with the people who replied 'Arm Everybody' That sounds potentionally like a working idea/solution to the problem.

Whatever the solution is, rather than sitting at home seething and going 'Grrrrr...they want to take my legally owned guns away...." I think you all need to come to some kind of consensus that would actually work in practical terms, because the problem is only going to grow and become more pressing for you, as time goes on.

Arming everybody...maybe that's the best so far...

First, ban violent video games to anyone younger than age 21.

Second, fine parents who break the rules and allow the children to play them anyway.

Third, put all violent criminals on an island someplace and let them play Survivor with each other. Give them all a gun and same amount of ammo.

Child rapists and pedos get no ammo.

Death penalty in all states for murder.

Keep Trump in office forever.

Last Edited by Buffalo_Gal_13 on 08/05/2019 03:07 PM

I have no agenda...it's not my problem....it's yours.

It's your problem if you want to keep your guns, while mass shootings keep occuring...whether they be false flags or whatever they are. It's your guns that are at stake.

I get that you want to own guns...I get it. Like I said in my OP. America is not like England. You have a unique problem...gun crime/and how to keep your guns in the face of this gun crime.

I'm wondering if anybody has the Solution.

Last Edited by Brit Perspective on 08/05/2019 03:08 PM

One does. But He was killed on a cross long ago.

This going to sound wild and poorly thought out, because it is, but hear me out:

We take every city with a murder rate higher than 2 per 100,000 and cut all federal funding and isolate them. Make them address the issues causing the problems, and then we let them back in. When those cities murder rates by firearms arent counted, we have some of the lowest worldwide.

Fun Fact: You will quickly find that these cities are largely democrat cities causing the rest of us to look like we live in the wild wild west due to numbers sometimes twenty times higher than their republican neighbors.

Last Edited by GTB on 08/05/2019 03:16 PM

The Swiss already found the solution long ago.

Everyone is in the military.

Everyone has a full auto weapon at home in a gun safe.

Full auto and trained to use it.

I would be interested to see something like this implemented.

Democrat run cities tend to be the biggest cesspools in the US.

Remove all of the gun crime stats associated with these hellholes would change the statistical dynamic considerably.

guns are better than machetes and swords. Better than acid attacks and mass arson events


they are clean, quick tools. Would you rather put down a suffering animal with a fast bullet or a machete?

go back to kindergarten, where solutions will be found between snacktime and naps

1) Understand that what we are dealing with is not Normal behavior. It is planned and carried out by the Left and others who want to see the USA removed from its position of power. Understand that the mass shootings can an will occur everywhere until the Right submits to their rule. You are just a pawn in their game of dominations.
2) Never go anywhere unarmed. This includes 30.06, 30.07 and Gun free zones. Have a practiced weapon and know how to hit your target. Carry a spare mag or two, and a strobing LED super bright flashlight. The flashlight disorients the mass shooter, and he fires where you used to be.
3)Have an exit strategy wherever you go. Know the fastest way out. Stay away from events where a lot of people congregate. If your not there, you cannot be a victim.
4) Understand cover vs concealment. Stay off of the floor and do not hug a wall. Bullets tend to travel along hallway walls and floors.
5) Wait to ambush the mass shooter. Wait for proximity or pause for reload.
6) Take careful aim and continue to fire until the threat stops.

If you do all of these, you will live, they will not.

Constitutional carry is federalized.

We the People have allowed our employees to dictate terms to us that are 180 degrees in opposition to the document to which they swear an Oath to defend.

Politicians and bureaucrats are our problem.

Well, in a perfect world, we decide that we can live with out them and we get all the ARs, AKs, HKs, FNFALs, all the high capacity weapons off the streets and make the criminals use Nerf guns.

Now, reality, even as much as I hate to say it, Chip's probably dead on. I still support some better background checks for weapons like ARs, AKs, but hell, a half-ass chemist or chemical engineer with publicly available materials could kill one hundred times the number of people that a wackadoo with a carbine can kill.

The best defense is deterrence. An armed populace and getting law enforcement to focus on actual bad people and not nonsense.

I see troopers sitting roadside waiting to snag speeders to generate revenue. And we still got assholes spending millions to fly Blackhawks all over Oklahoma looking for pot fields.

America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a wackado problem.

Firearm related crime plummets with firearm ownership and bearing them. Have you looked at the fall in violent crime?

Only desperate criminals attack or think about robberies when others are around as the civilians might be armed.

Maybe you should try actually reading the thread before you reply?

Like I said, it's not MY problem...nor am I comparing America to England, or saying that England's way is better.

What I'm asking is....what workable, practical solutions do Americans (gun owners) have to the 'gun grab' agenda.

In reply to Chip who posted above you...

If 'they' really wanted to take your guns...they probably could.
It's not a matter of sending in armed SWAT teams to search every ranch for hidden guns or gun making equipment. They obviously have other means of doing it, if they really wanted.

Things such as legislation to 'criminalize' gun owners, so that they might be locked out of certain jobs, benefits, etc. Financial sanctions/hefty fines, etc.

And if they really want to push for gun confiscation, it's not a matter of looking at the general crime stats...which you said are going down (maybe they are)...it just takes one or two 'strategic' mass shootings to give the movers and shakers the powers they need to make the final push for the gun grab.

I agree...so what's the solution to all the illegal guns in circulation..and which is also the driving force behind crime....and consequently the driving force behind the gun grab?

express lane to execution for mass murders is a must. we dont need to house the Colorado shooter for the rest of his life (right down the road from me).

I dont care if he is nuts ~ no reason to house him for 50 years to die a natural death. he wont be reformed, cant get out ever, and will add no value to earth.

Express lane to execution wont stop those willing or intending to die during or as a result of their massacre. these are the "suicide bombers" (just by gun). You seldom cant stop a suicide bomber once they are strapped up and walking down a street to find a target.

How did Israel do it?

Basically, Red Flag Laws. A kid with rape and murder lists needs to be dealt with moreso than the attitude of ....."he's graduating this year, so lets just get through this with detentions and suspension" ~ That kind needs a note in his file that says no guns. Yeah, he could still procure one illegally, but we've done our legal obligation to do all we can do.

I have multiple ARs, and would be fine with 10 round magazine limits. Again, doesn't stop everything but would help.

at the same time, punishment for illegal guns needs to be more severe and would help clean up the hoods.

Last Edited by Rufus Juice on 08/05/2019 03:47 PM

This is a far more complex issue than just"gun crime". What needs to be addressed is "violent crime" perpetrators in all places. To use your analogy England suffers from extreme "knife crime" or the Middle East suffers from "bomb crime". It just a matter of fact that firearms are an integral part of U.S. Culture ( you go with what works for you) and the contemporary item of preference for whack jobs in the U.S. that need to be seriously helped and/or dealt with. That's why there is such a knife issue in Europe. Knives are common; guns are not. Although it is generally recognized in the psychiatric circles that only 1 in 4 mass killers suffers a real diagnosable mental illness almost every mass killer has a previous history that definitely indicates a propensity to this eventuality. More work needs to be done to assist persons early in life to help prevent these issues from occurring. Solution could include things such as more "stay home parent" environment for rearing children rather than allowing complete strangers program your kids. Due to the "gotta have it" mentality we have been programmed to thrive for the intentional raising of our children has been lost. It is a PARENTS responsibility to create the next generation of people, not some paid lackey with their own delusions. We could De-escalate children's exposure to "adult socialogical indoctrination" until they have had a chance to actually mature. As example is the current drive to introduce and even diagnose children as young as five as having "gender identity issues". This is an extremely complex psychology you are expecting a little mind to wrap around. Also completely abusive (but that's another rant). One thing I did for instance is when my kids grew up watching morning cartoons they were actually watching videos I had recorded from tv and then edited out ALL THE COMMERCIALS. Time consuming yes but worth it. The problem is not and never was guns, the problem is the deliberate abandonment of our children's upbringing and the lack of support and understanding for identifying and diagnosing those with true mental issues that could devolve to these levels at a much earlier stage. The solution: stop being mindless never ending spinning happiness machines and get back to being personally involved in raising our children, building personal relationships with real people and return to being a community of people not just Facebook stats. Now if you will excuse me I need a drink...and I'm gonna hug my kid...

Your premise is not rooted in reality. They can write a law saying its illegal, but no one except a few people on MSM show and tell, will ever obey it. And they cannot do a thing about it.

Perhaps counter-intuitively, the illegal guns are not really the "driving force behind the gun grab." Most of the shooters in mass killings acquired their guns through legal channels, and new gun control would not have done anything to stop them. Universal background checks, for example, aren't going to catch a 24-year-old with no prior criminal history. Other than using the statistics to show a large number of homicides committed with guns, our media pretty much ignores where about 80% of our murders happen, in the inner cities through gang warfare. They, instead, focus on the exceedingly small number of public mass shootings that account for a very small percentage of our annual homicide rate to try and justify the gun grab. These shooters are often young white men and make excellent scapegoats for the media, whereas the myriad of black and Hispanic gangbangers shooting it out every night on our streets are the children of protected classes so their crimes are not spotlighted (except on local news where every night is a who's who of local thug life). Their guns are exclusively illegally purchased, as well, and focusing on their crimes would only strengthen the pro-gun argument that no amount of gun control is going to stop the violence.

If we want to end the vast majority of gun crimes, we have to go to war with gangs. Plain and simple. And not this cat-and-mouse game we play with them now where we hardly solve any of their murders, catch a few on lesser crimes, and send them for a 3-5 year vacation where they learn more about their trade. We have to send in the National Guard and ERADICATE THEM. It will be a bloody mess for a while, after which the non-violent people of our inner cities may finally live in peace. No living politician has the balls to do this, though, so they constantly sell the lie that removing my best means of protecting my children from violence will somehow stop the killing.

Oh, and I believe the death penalty should be in play for ANYONE who uses a gun in the commitment of ANY crime whether they killed someone or not. Think of it this way: once you threatened my life with a gun I was given only 2 possible outcomes to the situation: live or die. And I have no choice in the matter, you do. So when you face punishment you should face the same odds I did. Live or die and I decide (court, jury of peers, Yada Yada Yada ...)

There is no solution just as there is no solution to nuclear weapons.

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