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He doesn’t look like an Ethan Kollie
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The story subtly changes, from an upper to a lower...
=but here's the scoop on the idiot.
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Look for them to change the law to serialize all parts and make you fill out the 4473 through a dealer for everything.
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Pro tip: Don't do straw purchases of firearms or equipment for satan worshipping, goon-eyed psychopaths or you can rot in prison along with this retarded mutt here.
If he knew the murderer was a psycho (and how could he not?), that leaves the responsibility for his murders right on this dildo's doorstep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5461667


Nothing illegal with what he bought him and no straw purchase.
A straw purchase is when you buy a firearm for someone else so they don't have to fill out a 4473 form.

"A longtime friend of the Dayton gunman bought the body armor, a 100-round magazine, and a gun accessory"

The illegal part is when both of them lied about not using illegal drugs on their 4473 form when they purchased the firearms.
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Yeah, think you're right.
I read so many stories, I thought the AR part was numbered.
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Can we address this, without emotion, and apply some logic for a moment here?

Long rifles, like the AR-15, belong in places where there is room to shoot it. Maybe Midwestern states, down South in some parts, Vermont and so on.

Perhaps the ban should be limited, to a zone, say within a certain radius of a major city, which can be outlined by outlaying markers on every major road, train, water way or access point to that area, which states that such weapons are then prohibited.

That way, people who hunt and own guns responsibly, are not treated like criminals, are not stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights and there's an added degree of safety from having such weapons being fired in close proximity to others.

Because, not for nothing, back when the 2nd Amendment was written, there were no suburbs and large cities like New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Las Vegas and the likes.

Within suburban areas which have homes within or under, 500 feet of each other, only a shotgun or hand pistol should be permitted and this verification, licensing and such, could be further tied to the owner or renters proof of land deed at the county office showing that property, relative to any adjacent ones.

That way, people can also still protect themselves, without shooting a round through sheet rock and accidentally killing their next door neighbor by accident.

Just an idea, don't come down too hard on me with criticism here.
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shall not be infringed upon...period

its not about hunting...
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Can we address this, without emotion, and apply some logic for a moment here?

Long rifles, like the AR-15, belong in places where there is room to shoot it. Maybe Midwestern states, down South in some parts, Vermont and so on.

Perhaps the ban should be limited, to a zone, say within a certain radius of a major city, which can be outlined by outlaying markers on every major road, train, water way or access point to that area, which states that such weapons are then prohibited.

That way, people who hunt and own guns responsibly, are not treated like criminals, are not stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights and there's an added degree of safety from having such weapons being fired in close proximity to others.

Because, not for nothing, back when the 2nd Amendment was written, there were no suburbs and large cities like New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Las Vegas and the likes.

Within suburban areas which have homes within or under, 500 feet of each other, only a shotgun or hand pistol should be permitted and this verification, licensing and such, could be further tied to the owner or renters proof of land deed at the county office showing that property, relative to any adjacent ones.

That way, people can also still protect themselves, without shooting a round through sheet rock and accidentally killing their next door neighbor by accident.

Just an idea, don't come down too hard on me with criticism here.
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ANY bullet WILL GO THROUGH SHEET ROCK.
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Can we address this, without emotion, and apply some logic for a moment here?

Long rifles, like the AR-15, belong in places where there is room to shoot it. Maybe Midwestern states, down South in some parts, Vermont and so on.

Perhaps the ban should be limited, to a zone, say within a certain radius of a major city, which can be outlined by outlaying markers on every major road, train, water way or access point to that area, which states that such weapons are then prohibited.

That way, people who hunt and own guns responsibly, are not treated like criminals, are not stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights and there's an added degree of safety from having such weapons being fired in close proximity to others.

Because, not for nothing, back when the 2nd Amendment was written, there were no suburbs and large cities like New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Las Vegas and the likes.

Within suburban areas which have homes within or under, 500 feet of each other, only a shotgun or hand pistol should be permitted and this verification, licensing and such, could be further tied to the owner or renters proof of land deed at the county office showing that property, relative to any adjacent ones.

That way, people can also still protect themselves, without shooting a round through sheet rock and accidentally killing their next door neighbor by accident.

Just an idea, don't come down too hard on me with criticism here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77908023


LOL. I live in the suburbs just 15 miles from a major Metro area. (a 5000+ home master planned community built around a nature preserve). We have numerous firing ranges around & folks hunt deer & hogs here- because they are nuisance animals that need to be hunted.

I appreciate that you are trying to reasonable but this a perfect example of people not having all the information they need to form sound opinions.
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Why did his friend have to buy the shit for him? This all seems pretty weird?
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Joke charges for an azzho show.
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Fucking feds are fuckers for charging this guy
he didn't shoot anyone
the items were not illegal
nor was buying them for the insane dead kid

I do not support what the dead dope did.
I do not support arresting his buddy for bullshit charges either.
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Where is this going to end up? Ban on body armor?

Check out the guy's photo.

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Feds: Dayton shooter's friend bought him body armor, gun accessory

DAYTON, Ohio (AP) — A friend of the Dayton gunman who killed nine people told federal agents he bought him body armor, a gun accessory and a 100-round magazine earlier this year, according to a court document unsealed Monday.

The charging document says Ethan Kollie bought the items for Connor Betts and kept them at his apartment so his friend's parents would not find them.

Prosecutors on Monday unsealed a charge against Kollie that accused him of lying about not using marijuana on federal firearms forms in the purchase of a pistol that was not used in the shooting.

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 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


He doesn’t look like an Ethan Kollie
 Quoting: ~kpm~


His great-grandmother was from Liberia:

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Fucking feds are fuckers for charging this guy
he didn't shoot anyone
the items were not illegal
nor was buying them for the insane dead kid

I do not support what the dead dope did.
I do not support arresting his buddy for bullshit charges either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77876249


Yeah this is bullshit. He gave him parts and body armor the kind of shit anyone can buy at a local gun shop or online. He didnt supply the firearm. Something stink here and its the feds. They are just seeing how far they can push these issues.
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He bought the AR15 lower, body armor and 100 rd drum.
Then he let him assemble the gun in his apartment and hid it there from his parents (who knew he was crazy).
He's an accomplice and should rot in the hoosegow.
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Where did it say he bought the lower?
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Fucking feds are fuckers for charging this guy
he didn't shoot anyone
the items were not illegal
nor was buying them for the insane dead kid

I do not support what the dead dope did.
I do not support arresting his buddy for bullshit charges either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77876249


Yeah this is bullshit. He gave him parts and body armor the kind of shit anyone can buy at a local gun shop or online. He didnt supply the firearm. Something stink here and its the feds. They are just seeing how far they can push these issues.
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Well this other guy is saying he bought a lower for the kid.
Well that is likely against the rules.
But armor, scopes, triggers, etc etc
No paperwork needed in most if not all states.
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While investigators haven’t said what motivated Betts to open fire, his Twitter feed was replete with anti-President Donald Trump and anti-Republican content, while he expressed support for socialism, gun control, and environmentalism.

Betts also pushed for violence against so-called “fascists,” a term increasingly used by leftist activists to describe average conservatives.

In one case, he replied to a Buzzfeed story and wrote: “Kill every fascist.” He shared an article from the New Republic about an alleged “global fascist movement,” and shared posts doxxing people who users said attended a pro-Ku Klux Klan rally in Dayton, writing, “Know your enemies.”

Betts shared videos from Some More News that were anti-Republican, including one from host Cody Johnston that claimed “the president wants to shoot migrants at the border.”

Betts described immigration detention centers as “concentration camps,” writing on Twitter: “Cut the fences down. Slice ICE tires. Throw bolt cutters over the fences.” The hyperbolic language, popularized by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), was also used recently by a 69-year-old Antifa member who attacked an immigration facility in Washington state before being shot dead.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


These pics were photoshopped. Like what were they doing to the Betts character image, try to erase someone elses mustache and add glasses to the image?

[link to fotoforensics.com]

This was a drill that was responded on cue by a group of cops in front of a camera in (convenient) in under 30 seconds. There is no evidence of any gunshot wounds or blood. If you are going to claim body armor then I suppose it was shots to the head. Their own photo showed no head injury no blood.

I guess they are back in distraction mode.
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Can we address this, without emotion, and apply some logic for a moment here?

Long rifles, like the AR-15, belong in places where there is room to shoot it. Maybe Midwestern states, down South in some parts, Vermont and so on.

Perhaps the ban should be limited, to a zone, say within a certain radius of a major city, which can be outlined by outlaying markers on every major road, train, water way or access point to that area, which states that such weapons are then prohibited.

That way, people who hunt and own guns responsibly, are not treated like criminals, are not stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights and there's an added degree of safety from having such weapons being fired in close proximity to others.

Because, not for nothing, back when the 2nd Amendment was written, there were no suburbs and large cities like New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Las Vegas and the likes.

Within suburban areas which have homes within or under, 500 feet of each other, only a shotgun or hand pistol should be permitted and this verification, licensing and such, could be further tied to the owner or renters proof of land deed at the county office showing that property, relative to any adjacent ones.

That way, people can also still protect themselves, without shooting a round through sheet rock and accidentally killing their next door neighbor by accident.

Just an idea, don't come down too hard on me with criticism here.
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This post proves you know nothing about firearms!
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Wow. Left and came back to find the thread pinned. Thanks!

After reading the articles and hearing about this case this is a serious stretch.

There is absolutely nothing that this guy did that was illegal related to the Dayton shooting.

The only issue was lying on the FFL form which is clearly illegal. All the other bullshit is a trial balloon.

Scary crap.
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[...]

He doesn’t look like an Ethan Kollie
 Quoting: ~kpm~


jihad
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Thank you ~kpm~ and Scorpionica!

That was my first impression too.

But the guy actually posted a lot of pro-gun stuff that sounded a lot like stuff I would post.

I think he got played by Betts who used him to become familiar with firearms.

We need to be careful about ANTIFA doing crap like that.

Last Edited by An Average American Patriot on 08/12/2019 07:49 PM
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The shooter pushed for gun control? This is Twilight Zone shit.
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Most of the gun owners I know smoke pot. They going to throw them all in jail for 10 years? Insanity.
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Where is this going to end up? Ban on body armor?

Check out the guy's photo.

Less than 50%, more at link

[link to www.10tv.com (secure)]

Feds: Dayton shooter's friend bought him body armor, gun accessory

DAYTON, Ohio (AP) — A friend of the Dayton gunman who killed nine people told federal agents he bought him body armor, a gun accessory and a 100-round magazine earlier this year, according to a court document unsealed Monday.

The charging document says Ethan Kollie bought the items for Connor Betts and kept them at his apartment so his friend's parents would not find them.

Prosecutors on Monday unsealed a charge against Kollie that accused him of lying about not using marijuana on federal firearms forms in the purchase of a pistol that was not used in the shooting.

[link to www.10tv.com (secure)]
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot

The thing about the form is why states that dont require registration should not be forced
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he's a co-conspirator, ffs. they should nail his ass.
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Does anyone know what drum magazine it was? Modern Drummer or Drummer's World? Maybe he was frustrated trying to learn one of the jazz fusion lessons?
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Does anyone know what drum magazine it was? Modern Drummer or Drummer's World? Maybe he was frustrated trying to learn one of the jazz fusion lessons?
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Can we address this, without emotion, and apply some logic for a moment here?

Long rifles, like the AR-15, belong in places where there is room to shoot it. Maybe Midwestern states, down South in some parts, Vermont and so on.

Perhaps the ban should be limited, to a zone, say within a certain radius of a major city, which can be outlined by outlaying markers on every major road, train, water way or access point to that area, which states that such weapons are then prohibited.

That way, people who hunt and own guns responsibly, are not treated like criminals, are not stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights and there's an added degree of safety from having such weapons being fired in close proximity to others.

Because, not for nothing, back when the 2nd Amendment was written, there were no suburbs and large cities like New York, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Las Vegas and the likes.

Within suburban areas which have homes within or under, 500 feet of each other, only a shotgun or hand pistol should be permitted and this verification, licensing and such, could be further tied to the owner or renters proof of land deed at the county office showing that property, relative to any adjacent ones.

That way, people can also still protect themselves, without shooting a round through sheet rock and accidentally killing their next door neighbor by accident.

Just an idea, don't come down too hard on me with criticism here.
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Maybe the Dayton shooter's friend brought him an 80% lower.
Maybe that was the "accessory" the media was talking about.
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the gun is only the receiver. not the barrel, not a shroud, not a mag. straw purchases do not apply. You dont fill out paper work for those things. Not sure on body armor laws, however.
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He was charged for lying on a form 4473 about not using drugs. That form was used to purchase a pistol - so it really had nothing to do with the drum mag or body armor. The guy was charged for whatever reason the feds decided to do so. He left himself open to it unfortunately.

He'd probably not have been charged if the feds didn't want something from him. Of course, if he gave the pistol to the real perp, he could have been charged for a straw purchase.
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More evidence that in time pot will be a crucial part of the plans to disarm.
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Sooner rather than later. The ATF Form 4473 itself disqualifies weed enthusiasts from purchasing a firearm. If a weed user lies on the yes/no question, said user has already committed a crime for lying on a Federal document.
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Maybe the Dayton shooter's friend brought him an 80% lower.
Maybe that was the "accessory" the media was talking about.
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80% lowers can be bought by anyone. The perp was such a loon that I doubt he could have done much with one though.
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While investigators haven’t said what motivated Betts to open fire, his Twitter feed was replete with anti-President Donald Trump and anti-Republican content, while he expressed support for socialism, gun control, and environmentalism.

Betts also pushed for violence against so-called “fascists,” a term increasingly used by leftist activists to describe average conservatives.

In one case, he replied to a Buzzfeed story and wrote: “Kill every fascist.” He shared an article from the New Republic about an alleged “global fascist movement,” and shared posts doxxing people who users said attended a pro-Ku Klux Klan rally in Dayton, writing, “Know your enemies.”

Betts shared videos from Some More News that were anti-Republican, including one from host Cody Johnston that claimed “the president wants to shoot migrants at the border.”

Betts described immigration detention centers as “concentration camps,” writing on Twitter: “Cut the fences down. Slice ICE tires. Throw bolt cutters over the fences.” The hyperbolic language, popularized by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), was also used recently by a 69-year-old Antifa member who attacked an immigration facility in Washington state before being shot dead.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


So this is NOT fake news this time?

It's only fake when it goes against your narrative? Got it.
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so I guess you can't buy your hunting buddy a knife, rope, or bow for his birthday.





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