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TRUMP just RED FLAGGED CUOMO!!!

 
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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What charge?
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Seriously...

When you've got the president cracking jokes about red flagging people?

What the literal fuck is going on?
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I don't think he was joking. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. I would bet money Freddo has a carry permit.
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wow

this is very disturbing

wtf
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


Totally agree!!! His tweet shows how dangerous these laws are!! Bye bye freedom of speech if he signs these red flag laws!!
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Right?

I mean fuck Cuomo and all but what the fuck is Trump thinking with this red flag shit?
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Trump A/B Tests things on Twitter. If you haven't realised this in almost three years you must not pay much attention.
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Specifically, the red-flag laws like Indiana's linked above.

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Violation of the 4th amendment, ah ok
 Quoting: Mkjeep


'upon probable cause'

like the dui guy - can't just turn him loose.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76871995

Umm ok

DANGEROUS PERSON (IC 35-47-14-1)
- An individual who presents an imminent risk of personal injury to the individual or to another individual; or
- An individual who may present a risk of personal injury to the individual or to another individual in the future and the individual:
o Has a mental illness (as defined in IC 12-7-2-130) that may be controlled by medication, and has not demonstrated a pattern of voluntarily and consistently taking the individual's medication while not under supervision; or
o Is the subject of documented evidence that would give rise to a reasonable belief that the individual has a propensity for violent or emotionally unstable conduct.
WITH A WARRANT (IC 35-47-14-2)
- Apply to circuit or superior court with jurisdiction
- Prepare sworn affidavit that:
o States why the law enforcement officer believes that the individual is dangerous and in possession of a firearm; and
o Describes the law enforcement officer's interactions and conversations with:
 the individual who is alleged to be dangerous; or
 another individual, if the law enforcement officer believes that information
obtained from this individual is credible and reliable; o The affidavit specifically describes the location of the firearm
- If a court issued a warrant to seize a firearm, the officer must file return within forty-eight (48) hours after the warrant was served that:
o Date and time served
o The name and address of the individual named in the warrant;
o The quantity and description of any firearms seized. (IC 35-47-14-4)
WITHOUT A WARRANT (35-47-14-3)
- If weapons are seized during the normal course of law enforcement duties
- If person is believed to be dangerous (as defined above), submit a written statement to the
court of jurisdiction describing basis for belief
- Court reviews statement and may order firearms retained or released
AFTER FIREARMS ARE SEIZED
- Court holds a hearing within 14 days. (IC 35-47-14-5)
- Notification to individual from whom the firearm was seized and prosecutor
- Court determines by clear and convincing evidence if person is dangerous and firearms
should be retained (IC 35-47-14-6)
- If retained, law enforcement agency keeps firearm until further order of the court.
- Court shall also order License to carry handgun suspended. (IC 35-47-14-6(b))
o Notify ISP Firearms to insure this is completed RETURN OF FIREARMS (IC 35-47-14-8)
- Person may petition for return after at least 180 days
- If denied at that hearing, must wait at least another 180 days
- If five years have passed, hearing may be held to destroy or permanently dispose of
firearms (IC 35-47-14-9)
SALE OF FIREARM (IC 35-47-14-10)
- After order for retention, Person may petition for an order directing LE agency to sell firearm with proceeds (minus 8% administrative costs) to go to individual.


My ph is not letting me bold all I want to, but there are clear violations of rights in this law. Waaaay too much leeway in what an officer can say is probable cause.
 Quoting: Mkjeep


Additional code....

Sec. 130. “Mental illness” means the following:

(1) For purposes of IC 12-23-5, IC 12-24, and IC 12-26, a psychiatric disorder that:

(A) substantially disturbs an individual’s thinking, feeling, or behavior; and

(B) impairs the individual’s ability to function.

The term includes intellectual disability, alcoholism, and addiction to narcotics or dangerous drugs.

(2) For purposes of IC 12-28-4 and IC 12-28-5, a psychiatric disorder that:

(A) substantially disturbs an individual’s thinking, feeling, or behavior; and

(B) impairs the individual’s ability to function.

The term does not include developmental disability.



Soo.... it’s up to the officer to determine the mental health of the person red flagged for probable cause as well??? How does he do that? Med records?
Is he a psychiatrist/ psychologist?

Do you see how far this goes?
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FYI- Red Flag Laws have already been enacted in 17 states and 4 others have them in process to be voted on. Scroll down to see states listed:

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 Quoting: Blue Fairy


Yes, I am shocked at so many violations of the 2nd Amendment in various states and towns. I understand about variances in state laws vs. federal law- but our constitutional rights should not be infringed upon in any state or city. It seems these are things that could be brought before the Supreme Court.
 Quoting: Far Away


The most recent laws are not intended to infringe upon law-abiding gun owners and should not be seen as unconstitutional. When the police ticket an individual for DUI there is a legal process between the police, court and individual. Penalties increase exponentially for successive DUI's - something the public is tolerant and accepting of. These new 'red-flag' laws like Florida's and Indiana's, while somewhat different have been implemented due to the nature of increasing violent mass shootings. The public will come to accept this type of process much as MADD and all states have.

Take a few minutes to review the protocols maybe for these two states.

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Thanks for posting this.
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The stuff they have been passing is more self and foriegner serving crime and media ignores the watchdogs, the other attacks on washi and the crimes they do stories and only plays epstein and trump 24/7.

If I thought it would be a short term dictatorship that would lynch them too and was easy to get out of I would be all for it today right now. Light a witch and lets press on.
But.....back to very old family thing. Can't ever remember a dictator saying "Ok we saved ourselves! Now vote in a congress and lets get back to real life I'd like to go home." - can't remember one time.

Of course many many that began shiny ideal to the cheers of the masses and ended up pustulent and "you can have the ring back when you pry it off my cold, dead hand!" - thats probably been the majority of those?

Plenty of cases where somebody said "Ok!" and actually did too.
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Imo, it was a sarcastic post to show how ridiculous the red flag laws are. Liberals never can sense between jokes and reality.
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Seriously...

When you've got the President cracking jokes about red flagging people?

What the literal fuck is going on?
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Really! How unprofessional and disturbing.
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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Seriously...

When you've got the President cracking jokes about red flagging people?

What the literal fuck is going on?
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Really! How unprofessional and disturbing.
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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FYI- Red Flag Laws have already been enacted in 17 states and 4 others have them in process to be voted on. Scroll down to see states listed:

[link to www.thetrace.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Blue Fairy


Yes, I am shocked at so many violations of the 2nd Amendment in various states and towns. I understand about variances in state laws vs. federal law- but our constitutional rights should not be infringed upon in any state or city. It seems these are things that could be brought before the Supreme Court.
 Quoting: Far Away


The most recent laws are not intended to infringe upon law-abiding gun owners and should not be seen as unconstitutional. When the police ticket an individual for DUI there is a legal process between the police, court and individual. Penalties increase exponentially for successive DUI's - something the public is tolerant and accepting of. These new 'red-flag' laws like Florida's and Indiana's, while somewhat different have been implemented due to the nature of increasing violent mass shootings. The public will come to accept this type of process much as MADD and all states have.

Take a few minutes to review the protocols maybe for these two states.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76871995


Horseshit, all of these laws violate the 2nd amd, many the 1st and 4th and 14th aswell. Maybe you should review the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
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When life gives you a lemon, make lemonade

Thread: Immunize the US from Red Flag Laws
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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Id rather leftists like you be ripped from your home and thrown in prison.
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You fascist.
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Funny that President Trump has been stimulating conversations about issues by taking them to logical or illogical extremes now for three years, and so many still don't get it.

his is how he got elected, by the brilliant use of sarcasm that highlights the law of unintended consequences.

Problem for the left seems to be that they don't understand sarcasm or parody.

It is said that only those of higher intelligence are able to think in terms of concepts exclusively, so for someone to use the bully pulpit to force those of lower intelligence to confront concepts they would otherwise never consider is, in my opinion, quite brilliant.

Of course, even while being coerced to consider what might happen and therefore coaxed into changing their mind on an issue, the lemmings will never understand it.

Leading your opposition, who does that? LOL.
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Great comment.

yay

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Everyone keeps saying Trump is trolling the left, which normally I would agree with except for one simple fact. He has openly stated he is FOR red flag laws. He has openly stated “take the guns first, due process later”. It would alpear Trump has trolled the entire 2nd ammendment, and his supporters will call it 5d chess as they are turning their guns in.
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don't you guys get what he just did? He literally just destroyed Red Flag laws by illustrating the pitfalls of how weapons can be removed through subjectivity.

This is simply one of the best moves I've ever seen. You will now see the left admonish this as authoritarian fascism (which it is) and will have no choice but to protect 2A.
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trumpright
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I hope you all seeing his comment as pure genius are right but the lefts agenda wont be harmed by it because it will never be reported by the ministry of truth.

For me the jury is still out as to his view of rf laws as trump seemed pretty good with them eatlier. If he was acting with the plan being to let the left hang themselves then yes his tweet was brilliant!! If this is the case I will proclaim trump an an absolute tactical genius and never question him again.

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Funny that President Trump has been stimulating conversations about issues by taking them to logical or illogical extremes now for three years, and so many still don't get it.

his is how he got elected, by the brilliant use of sarcasm that highlights the law of unintended consequences.

Problem for the left seems to be that they don't understand sarcasm or parody.

It is said that only those of higher intelligence are able to think in terms of concepts exclusively, so for someone to use the bully pulpit to force those of lower intelligence to confront concepts they would otherwise never consider is, in my opinion, quite brilliant.

Of course, even while being coerced to consider what might happen and therefore coaxed into changing their mind on an issue, the lemmings will never understand it.

Leading your opposition, who does that? LOL.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77134005


Perfect analysis ^^^

Liberals cannot be coaxed into changing their "mind", because they "suffer" from EXTREME Confirmation Bias.
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Everyone keeps saying Trump is trolling the left, which normally I would agree with except for one simple fact. He has openly stated he is FOR red flag laws. He has openly stated “take the guns first, due process later”. It would alpear Trump has trolled the entire 2nd ammendment, and his supporters will call it 5d chess as they are turning their guns in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75973600


So, you are too dull to understand the difference between SAYING, and DOING?

Come back and lecture us AFTER it actually HAPPENS.

He said "take the guns first " while he was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO Diane Feinstein, as she gleefully rubbed her hands together in sheer delight.

His intention was to lay open the left's REAL intention, for those who keep clinging to the leftist delusion (or sheer dishonesty) of "We don't want to take your guns".
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Everyone keeps saying Trump is trolling the left, which normally I would agree with except for one simple fact. He has openly stated he is FOR red flag laws. He has openly stated “take the guns first, due process later”. It would alpear Trump has trolled the entire 2nd ammendment, and his supporters will call it 5d chess as they are turning their guns in.
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"Don't you guys get what he just did? He literally just destroyed Red Flag laws by illustrating the pitfalls of how weapons can be removed through subjectivity.

This is simply one of the best moves I've ever seen. You will now see the left admonish this as authoritarian fascism (which it is) and will have no choice but to protect 2A."
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I hope you all are right. I really do, but when people like Dan Crenshaw are calling for red flags, its only a matter of time. Also, what about Trump agreeing with an assault weapons ban years ago? What about bump stocks? Now he is asking about doing the same thing to braces. What part of shall not be infringed does he not understand? Any gun law is an infringment
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Nobody here gets it. What's with all of the 'They're going to take our guns' hand-wringing and Concern Trolling?

YOUR GUN IS THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY NEVER TAKE IT AWAY!!

It's not up to *them* if you get to keep your Rights - it's up to YOU.

STOP giving away YOUR GOD-GIVEN, BIRTHRIGHT, INHERITANCE OF FREEDOM and power to them.

They don't get to decide shit - We, the People, the American taxpayer and heavily-armed mob - ARE THE MOTHERFUCKING BOSS!

Stop being a bunch of fucking pussies. What are you? ARE YOU FUCKING AMERICANS - who conquered a Continent, who slung guns from 1776 to the Old West until today, who put a man in space and on the moon, who developed the most technologically and philosophically advanced Republic as the epitome of Free Will and Freedom in the entire history of existence - OR NOT?
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Nobody here gets it. What's with all of the 'They're going to take our guns' hand-wringing and Concern Trolling?

YOUR GUN IS THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY NEVER TAKE IT AWAY!!

It's not up to *them* if you get to keep your Rights - it's up to YOU.

STOP giving away YOUR GOD-GIVEN, BIRTHRIGHT, INHERITANCE OF FREEDOM and power to them.

They don't get to decide shit - We, the People, the American taxpayer and heavily-armed mob - ARE THE MOTHERFUCKING BOSS!

Stop being a bunch of fucking pussies. What are you? ARE YOU FUCKING AMERICANS - who conquered a Continent, who slung guns from 1776 to the Old West until today, who put a man in space and on the moon, who developed the most technologically and philosophically advanced Republic as the epitome of Free Will and Freedom in the entire history of existence - OR NOT?
 Quoting: Paranoid Chick


Nobody here gets it. What's with all of the 'They're going to take our guns' hand-wringing and Concern Trolling?

YOUR GUN IS THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY NEVER TAKE IT AWAY!!

It's not up to *them* if you get to keep your Rights - it's up to YOU.

STOP giving away YOUR GOD-GIVEN, BIRTHRIGHT, INHERITANCE OF FREEDOM and power to them.

They don't get to decide shit - We, the People, the American taxpayer and heavily-armed mob - ARE THE MOTHERFUCKING BOSS!

Stop being a bunch of fucking pussies. What are you? ARE YOU FUCKING AMERICANS - who conquered a Continent, who slung guns from 1776 to the Old West until today, who put a man in space and on the moon, who developed the most technologically and philosophically advanced Republic as the epitome of Free Will and Freedom in the entire history of existence - OR NOT?
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Best post on the thread
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The president should be charged for treason if we actually had a justice system.
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Hillary and Bill would be in prison if we actually had a justice system.
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The Republic is In Peril
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No. The Republic is being taken back from the usurpers...


...and Trump is showing the whole of the American Public what "government of the people, by the people, for the people" really means...by steering all of us to debate our most pressing issues on the public stage.

The Preamble of our Constitution begins with these words:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


He's showing us how WE THE PEOPLE have been usurped, and virtually silenced, by the hidden hands of those who have been TRICKING a large percentage of our Citizenry into DISSOLVING every American's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS in favor of what paid Actors (like Chris Coumo) posing as journalists, AND UNKNOWNS and Celebrities in the pockets of PACS and think-tanks who rant against our Country on social media tell them to think and believe.

Our President's warning about fake news is NOT to be taken lightly.

The process to awaken those whose minds and lives have been hijacked for the eventual dissolution of our Nation is not an easy one.

Love of Country has been torn asunder. Generations have now been subject to fuzzy education -including a vast array of divisive socialist constructs, and instant-grat thinking.
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Trump is pushing us all to ask out loud: "What's wrong with this picture?", and take back control of our own thought processes.

Only then can WE THE PEOPLE recognize what our Constitution grants us: the proper pathway to ensure a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity for every one of our Citizens.

POTUS is showing us how, and where, it's all gone wrong.

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Seriously...

When you've got the President cracking jokes about red flagging people?

What the literal fuck is going on?
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


He's not tweeting. Somebody else is behind his twitter.

Read Lynne Patton's comment:
"...it should be known that Donald Trump does not use email and never has. Nor (up until his inauguration at least) does he text. Therefore, the likelihood of some “smoking gun” email or text is slim to none.... "

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Wow, just anything to absolve Trump from responsibility, I've seen it all from his apologists now.
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Au contraire, mon cher. Read between the lines and think twice...
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Everyone keeps saying Trump is trolling the left, which normally I would agree with except for one simple fact. He has openly stated he is FOR red flag laws. He has openly stated “take the guns first, due process later”. It would alpear Trump has trolled the entire 2nd ammendment, and his supporters will call it 5d chess as they are turning their guns in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75973600


So, you are too dull to understand the difference between SAYING, and DOING?

Come back and lecture us AFTER it actually HAPPENS.

He said "take the guns first " while he was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO Diane Feinstein, as she gleefully rubbed her hands together in sheer delight.

His intention was to lay open the left's REAL intention, for those who keep clinging to the leftist delusion (or sheer dishonesty) of "We don't want to take your guns".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76630325


This retarded theory doesn't hold up for so many obvious reasons but I'll give you one of the most obvious...He's openly lobbied for gun control ever since he's been in the public eye.
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Seriously...

When you've got the President cracking jokes about red flagging people?

What the literal fuck is going on?
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hes acknowledging a double standard? about the wrong people getting red flagged. imo
 Quoting: T-Man


Bullshit, he supports these red flag laws 100%.
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No he doesn't. He trolled them again. Unconstitutional thought crime
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Seriously...

When you've got the President cracking jokes about red flagging people?

What the literal fuck is going on?
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


hes acknowledging a double standard? about the wrong people getting red flagged. imo
 Quoting: T-Man


Bullshit, he supports these red flag laws 100%.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


No he doesn't. He trolled them again. Unconstitutional thought crime
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I guess we’ll find out in a month or so.
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