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BREAKING: BILL BARR Says he sees "Nothing That Undercuts ME's Finding of Epstein SUICIDE" UPDATE: BARR COVERED UP RUBY RIDGE TOO

 
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
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why is trump picking these people.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
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Barr, like mueller, seems to be a clean-up guy.

As far as why trump can't seem to find better supporters, look at what mueller did to his first crop.

The night-time arrest of roger stone while the cnn cams were rolling was particularly ugly, as was raiding cohen's files. No attorney-client privilege for trump?

Barr is the rich republican wing of the party; but both the rich left and right are running scared of the new dems.

That's why they are helping trump.
His support for the religious disneyland also probably helps.

What happened to the guy who said that the iraq invasion was a mistake and that great nations are not continually at war?

Trump's not deep state, but. for the above reasons, they may be laying off him.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
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Barr, like mueller, seems to be a clean-up guy.

As far as why trump can't seem to find better supporters, look at what mueller did to his first crop.

The night-time arrest of roger stone while the cnn cams were rolling was particularly ugly, as was raiding cohen's files. No attorney-client privilege for trump?

Barr is the rich republican wing of the party; but both the rich left and right are running scared of the new dems.

That's why they are helping trump.
His support for the religious disneyland also probably helps.

What happened to the guy who said that the iraq invasion was a mistake and that great nations are not continually at war?

Trump's not deep state, but. for the above reasons, they may be laying off him.
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Trump may not be DeepState because he doesn't have a personal political background but he's certainly been in bed with them for the past 3 years. Everyone he's picked, literally from the start, has been a Deep State piece of shit like Barr or Wray. NONE of them have been his supporters. As for the people who've been convicted, most of them are low level nobodies like Papadopolos. Even Manafort had only been with his campaign for a few months. Roger Stone never even worked with him.

There is no excuse for Trump not hiring people who actually supported his position right from the start. He should STILL be appointing only supporters of his agenda. But even before he got to that point, he should have been firing people left and right - all the Obama/Clinton people should have been fired his first month in office, and the ones who couldn't be fired should have been moved to jobs with NO RESPONSIBILITY.

Trump has obviously been controlled since Day 1. They give him names and he rubber stamps them. Look at the TERRIBLE SCOTUS picks of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. These are not real conservatives. They're just more Harvard/Georgetown, whatever, DeepState Status quo shit. Two wasted opportunities, esp Kavanaugh when Trump had the opportunity to remake America. I have no doubt his other judicial appointments have been as lackluster at best.

Really really really disappointed in Trump but I guess it's true you can't put your faith in man.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
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Barr, like mueller, seems to be a clean-up guy.


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I completely agree with this about Barr, it's been my opinion of him since Day 1. Looks like he has a long track record of covering up government sponsored murder.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
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why is trump picking these people.
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He's working with the OTHER faction of DeepState - probably NSA led - that didn't want Hillary. They tell him what to do, who to hire, and he rubber stamps it. You note he does not hire any supporters at all.
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So Epstein put HIMSELF in a cell with a guy who's accused of killing FOUR MEN.

He attacked HIMSELF a week before his "death" despite telling his attorneys that his cell mate did it.

He changed the guards schedules and put them to sleep magically.

He caused cameras to malfunction.

He put things in his cell he could kill himself with.

He broke his one hyoid bone - almost impossible.

He put a fake picture of his dead self on a gurney in the NY POST.

Man, Epstein was truly an AMAZING guy!!!!
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I'll bet this is what happened:

Epstein's July "suicide attempt" was a murder attempt to silence him because Epstein had already agreed to "sing."

On Aug. 10 he was put on a gurney, supposedly dead from a final suicide attempt, and taken into protective custody, probably to Gitmo where he can testify against those who want him dead.

Another already-dead body with the same features was placed in Epstein's cell with a slight resemblance to Epstein (gray hair, approximate age, etc.).

An autopsy was performed and whoever did it was most likely highly-paid to keep quiet that the body wasn't Epstein's.

A fake will was filed putting Epstein's wealth into millions instead of billions so when Epstein is released for giving testimony to convict the elite (worldwide) pedos/traitor globalists, etc., he will have money to live in obscurity the rest of his life, probably after some plastic surgery to further protect him.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


why is trump picking these people.
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He's working with the OTHER faction of DeepState - probably NSA led - that didn't want Hillary. They tell him what to do, who to hire, and he rubber stamps it. You note he does not hire any supporters at all.
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You could be right.

But the opposition to trump has been so organized, from the doj to the media.

Who would you suggest trump hire?
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


why is trump picking these people.
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He's working with the OTHER faction of DeepState - probably NSA led - that didn't want Hillary. They tell him what to do, who to hire, and he rubber stamps it. You note he does not hire any supporters at all.
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You could be right.

But the opposition to trump has been so organized, from the doj to the media.

Who would you suggest trump hire?
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I would suggest he should have started off by firing or moving all the Obama/Clinton people - fire them if he could, or move them to jobs with no responsibilities if he couldn't. GET THEM OUT OF THE WAY.

Then he fill those positions with all the people during the campaign who supported him. How many Americans voted for him? 62 million? Surely he could have staffed SOME of his positions with actual SUPPORTERS, esp people from OUTSIDE the government. Instead, he's just hired Swamp creatures and non-supporters over and over and over again. I can't give you specific names but dammit...there WERE 62 million of us. I would guess a lot of people he put in these jobs didn't even vote for him.
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This is interesting - I just realized that Barr was working at the CIA 1973-1977, during the SAME TIME his father Donald, hired Epstein, with no college degree or qualifications, at the exclusive Manhattan Dalton School, in 1974.

Obvious that Epstein was a CIA recruit being placed.
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So Epstein put HIMSELF in a cell with a guy who's accused of killing FOUR MEN.

He attacked HIMSELF a week before his "death" despite telling his attorneys that his cell mate did it.

He changed the guards schedules and put them to sleep magically.

He caused cameras to malfunction.

He put things in his cell he could kill himself with.

He broke his one hyoid bone - almost impossible.

He put a fake picture of his dead self on a gurney in the NY POST.

Man, Epstein was truly an AMAZING guy!!!!
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I'll bet this is what happened:

Epstein's July "suicide attempt" was a murder attempt to silence him because Epstein had already agreed to "sing."

On Aug. 10 he was put on a gurney, supposedly dead from a final suicide attempt, and taken into protective custody, probably to Gitmo where he can testify against those who want him dead.

Another already-dead body with the same features was placed in Epstein's cell with a slight resemblance to Epstein (gray hair, approximate age, etc.).

An autopsy was performed and whoever did it was most likely highly-paid to keep quiet that the body wasn't Epstein's.

A fake will was filed putting Epstein's wealth into millions instead of billions so when Epstein is released for giving testimony to convict the elite (worldwide) pedos/traitor globalists, etc., he will have money to live in obscurity the rest of his life, probably after some plastic surgery to further protect him.
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Here's the problem I have with that scenario. The people who had Epstein - headed by Barr - don't WANT him to testify against anyone because he would be testifying against members of the elites who are their friends, colleagues, allies, business associates, etc.

As there is no point to having him testify, or getting information from him, I don't see any point in keeping him alive at all. That's what I don't get. The alive option only works if they get something in return from Epstein on an ongoing basis, under the White Hat scenario. I don't think there ARE any White Hats. I think the only think they might want from an Epstein are his dead man switch info and where any caches of blackmail goods are - they might have gotten him out for a while, tortured him till they got that info and then put the corpse back in the cell.

On the other hand, if Epstein is still alive - which may well be possible - my guess would be that he was busted out by people associated with friends or allies. Perhaps Maxwell, who apparently has vast assets of her own, got him busted out, which might account for the fake In 'n Out Burger photo. Considering the book she was reading about "Honor: Secret Lives and Deaths in the CIA", might be a message to CIA to lay off them or negotiate/trade. Or maybe Mossad got him out.

This might work in with the fake will (or real will with fake intentions). If Epstein knew he was going to be broken out by Maxwell, Mossad, or other on Saturday, maybe the will is part of the plan to hide or transfer assets in advance to cover his "retirement", as you say.

I guess we'll never know, but it's interesting to speculate.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Barr, like mueller, seems to be a clean-up guy.

As far as why trump can't seem to find better supporters, look at what mueller did to his first crop.

The night-time arrest of roger stone while the cnn cams were rolling was particularly ugly, as was raiding cohen's files. No attorney-client privilege for trump?

Barr is the rich republican wing of the party; but both the rich left and right are running scared of the new dems.

That's why they are helping trump.
His support for the religious disneyland also probably helps.

What happened to the guy who said that the iraq invasion was a mistake and that great nations are not continually at war?

Trump's not deep state, but. for the above reasons, they may be laying off him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74966976




Trump may not be DeepState because he doesn't have a personal political background but he's certainly been in bed with them for the past 3 years. Everyone he's picked, literally from the start, has been a Deep State piece of shit like Barr or Wray. NONE of them have been his supporters. As for the people who've been convicted, most of them are low level nobodies like Papadopolos. Even Manafort had only been with his campaign for a few months. Roger Stone never even worked with him.

There is no excuse for Trump not hiring people who actually supported his position right from the start. He should STILL be appointing only supporters of his agenda. But even before he got to that point, he should have been firing people left and right - all the Obama/Clinton people should have been fired his first month in office, and the ones who couldn't be fired should have been moved to jobs with NO RESPONSIBILITY.

Trump has obviously been controlled since Day 1. They give him names and he rubber stamps them. Look at the TERRIBLE SCOTUS picks of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. These are not real conservatives. They're just more Harvard/Georgetown, whatever, DeepState Status quo shit. Two wasted opportunities, esp Kavanaugh when Trump had the opportunity to remake America. I have no doubt his other judicial appointments have been as lackluster at best.

Really really really disappointed in Trump but I guess it's true you can't put your faith in man.
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Yeah I am too. I'm thinking we have been duped. I want to believe but cant ignore what has been going on.
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My opinion of Trump just pretty much dropped through the floor when I saw this info about Ruby Ridge. This is what Trump supports? Or doesn't he vet any of these vicious lying ASSHOLES he hires?
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


Barr, like mueller, seems to be a clean-up guy.

As far as why trump can't seem to find better supporters, look at what mueller did to his first crop.

The night-time arrest of roger stone while the cnn cams were rolling was particularly ugly, as was raiding cohen's files. No attorney-client privilege for trump?

Barr is the rich republican wing of the party; but both the rich left and right are running scared of the new dems.

That's why they are helping trump.
His support for the religious disneyland also probably helps.

What happened to the guy who said that the iraq invasion was a mistake and that great nations are not continually at war?

Trump's not deep state, but. for the above reasons, they may be laying off him.
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Trump may not be DeepState because he doesn't have a personal political background but he's certainly been in bed with them for the past 3 years. Everyone he's picked, literally from the start, has been a Deep State piece of shit like Barr or Wray. NONE of them have been his supporters. As for the people who've been convicted, most of them are low level nobodies like Papadopolos. Even Manafort had only been with his campaign for a few months. Roger Stone never even worked with him.

There is no excuse for Trump not hiring people who actually supported his position right from the start. He should STILL be appointing only supporters of his agenda. But even before he got to that point, he should have been firing people left and right - all the Obama/Clinton people should have been fired his first month in office, and the ones who couldn't be fired should have been moved to jobs with NO RESPONSIBILITY.

Trump has obviously been controlled since Day 1. They give him names and he rubber stamps them. Look at the TERRIBLE SCOTUS picks of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. These are not real conservatives. They're just more Harvard/Georgetown, whatever, DeepState Status quo shit. Two wasted opportunities, esp Kavanaugh when Trump had the opportunity to remake America. I have no doubt his other judicial appointments have been as lackluster at best.

Really really really disappointed in Trump but I guess it's true you can't put your faith in man.
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Yeah I am too. I'm thinking we have been duped. I want to believe but cant ignore what has been going on.
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You and me both. It would be hard to find a more ardent Trump supporter than me from 2016 till probably the early part of this year when I just started losing enthusiasm. The only thing I see him doing is tweeting. He SAYS he's gonna do this or that, and he doesn't. I think the jobs stuff is a bunch of bullshit, always did think that, and the headlines today bear out that idea. The economy and trade aspects he's probably just doing for the elites, so they can make more money and have more ownership. He's doing as he's told. And the rest of it is to help Israel. I don't mind helping Israel, but not in preference of, or expense to, our own country. America IS first, or should be. I don't think that's necessarily true with Trump.
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Barr, like mueller, seems to be a clean-up guy.

As far as why trump can't seem to find better supporters, look at what mueller did to his first crop.

The night-time arrest of roger stone while the cnn cams were rolling was particularly ugly, as was raiding cohen's files. No attorney-client privilege for trump?

Barr is the rich republican wing of the party; but both the rich left and right are running scared of the new dems.

That's why they are helping trump.
His support for the religious disneyland also probably helps.

What happened to the guy who said that the iraq invasion was a mistake and that great nations are not continually at war?

Trump's not deep state, but. for the above reasons, they may be laying off him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74966976




Trump may not be DeepState because he doesn't have a personal political background but he's certainly been in bed with them for the past 3 years. Everyone he's picked, literally from the start, has been a Deep State piece of shit like Barr or Wray. NONE of them have been his supporters. As for the people who've been convicted, most of them are low level nobodies like Papadopolos. Even Manafort had only been with his campaign for a few months. Roger Stone never even worked with him.

There is no excuse for Trump not hiring people who actually supported his position right from the start. He should STILL be appointing only supporters of his agenda. But even before he got to that point, he should have been firing people left and right - all the Obama/Clinton people should have been fired his first month in office, and the ones who couldn't be fired should have been moved to jobs with NO RESPONSIBILITY.

Trump has obviously been controlled since Day 1. They give him names and he rubber stamps them. Look at the TERRIBLE SCOTUS picks of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. These are not real conservatives. They're just more Harvard/Georgetown, whatever, DeepState Status quo shit. Two wasted opportunities, esp Kavanaugh when Trump had the opportunity to remake America. I have no doubt his other judicial appointments have been as lackluster at best.

Really really really disappointed in Trump but I guess it's true you can't put your faith in man.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel



Yeah I am too. I'm thinking we have been duped. I want to believe but cant ignore what has been going on.
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You and me both. It would be hard to find a more ardent Trump supporter than me from 2016 till probably the early part of this year when I just started losing enthusiasm. The only thing I see him doing is tweeting. He SAYS he's gonna do this or that, and he doesn't. I think the jobs stuff is a bunch of bullshit, always did think that, and the headlines today bear out that idea. The economy and trade aspects he's probably just doing for the elites, so they can make more money and have more ownership. He's doing as he's told. And the rest of it is to help Israel. I don't mind helping Israel, but not in preference of, or expense to, our own country. America IS first, or should be. I don't think that's necessarily true with Trump.
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There's one small thing I can't shake... If he's "bought & paid for" or merely a "puppet", then why do the elite hate him so much? That's the one piece of this cluster-f*ck of a puzzle that I can't place. It makes no sense. And it's not just for show. These people are physically repulsed by him. Why?
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This is interesting - I just realized that Barr was working at the CIA 1973-1977, during the SAME TIME his father Donald, hired Epstein, with no college degree or qualifications, at the exclusive Manhattan Dalton School, in 1974.

Obvious that Epstein was a CIA recruit being placed.
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This is not true though. Epstein was not hired by Barrs father. He was already gone by that time.
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This is interesting - I just realized that Barr was working at the CIA 1973-1977, during the SAME TIME his father Donald, hired Epstein, with no college degree or qualifications, at the exclusive Manhattan Dalton School, in 1974.

Obvious that Epstein was a CIA recruit being placed.
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This is not true though. Epstein was not hired by Barrs father. He was already gone by that time.
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Meaning the father was gone by that time.
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One of the most evilest man Chaney ;coming out stumping for trump
Says it all
Might as well have bush up there too
Bush’s cover up man working to cover up the murders
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There's one small thing I can't shake... If he's "bought & paid for" or merely a "puppet", then why do the elite hate him so much? That's the one piece of this cluster-f*ck of a puzzle that I can't place. It makes no sense. And it's not just for show. These people are physically repulsed by him. Why?
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I could see different reasons for this but the thing I've thought for some time is that there's been a war in the government between rival factions, and I think it boils down to NSA intel faction vs. CIA intel faction. These are criminal gangs hiding under an intel facade. I think they deal in all forms of trafficking - humans, drugs, arms- and money laundering and various other criminal behaviors. Lot of power/money involved, of course. Control of the USA and ability to sell it to the highest bidder....both sides want this.

I think it came to a head with Hillary's rise in 2015 as a serious candidate and probable victor. The system watches and nurtures - and blackmails/destroys - candidates possibly for decades. Hillary thought 2008 was gonna be hers (and why should it have been, she just rode up on her husband's coattails) but Bilderberg Council and the other internationals wanted Barack so they got her to stand down till 2016.

2015 rolls around and NSA faction decides they really don't want her because she's quite crazy (which she actually IS, it's not just us mocking her, she's actually insane) like one of the worst Roman emperors and they really don't want a nuclear war, LOLOLOL, which is what she'd probably do with Russia. Plus she's physically ill, and has a lot of blackmail material that those in power might not want to see her in a position to use fully, and she can't be trusted because she doesn't play well with others. She doesn't play with them at all - she just kills them. But CIA backs her because they are VERY VERY VERY anti-American and always have been. UnAmerican, anti-American and completely evil.

So NSA needs a rival candidate. They go to Trump who has been contemplating a run for years -maybe he actually HAS some beliefs he'd like to see about the US. I don't think he's completely evil, just messed up from being in the business he was in for so long. They recruit him for the run against Hillary, he's the only one big enough to take her down.

And he does. Plus I think they rigged the election FOR HIM. She was rigging TOO, but the NSA and their allies rigging worked better. So he "won".

All the people who supported Hillary are absolutely BULLSHIT because they KNOW it was just that they got OUTRIGGED. So they think Trump DID steal the election from them, literally. Of course....they were stealing it too! but that outrage at being outmanouevred has fueled them for 3 years.

Then other people are outraged because of things he's said that they actually take seriously - esp things about the BORDER. A lot of people are making TONS of money from illegal activities - TRAFFICKING - and profit from a basically OPEN BORDER. A lot of Dems, a lot of Repubs. So there's tons of hatred based on that. They fear losing massive income. Look at how DNC chairman Tom Perez is FUNDRAISING IN MEXICO. Who the hell is he getting money from? THE CARTELS.

Then another faction are people with a LOT TO HIDE, esp people who actually know Trump and know that HE KNOWS about their activities from knowing them personally. He KNOWS who abuse kids, drugs, etc. Maybe not details but he has a lot of inside track. So they are terrified of him. And the pedos are afraid he's going to cut down on their supply and expose them. AND HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE THAT - to his credit. He hasn't done much exposure, not at the top levels, and he WON'T....but I think he has cut down on supply.

The Gay Mafia in particular, hate him because so many of them party and abuse teenage (and sometimes younger) boys. So they are fanatical against hating him because that's a major thing they do. I KNOW THIS. That's why so many gays hate him.

Then there are groups like the Satanists and Luciferians who are afraid they're going to be driven back into the broom closet and deprived of human sacrifices ala abortions.

I haven't even mentioned the actual Communists who just hate America and he's become a lightening rod for that.


Sorry to be long, but it's basically a perfect storm of the war in the DeepState/Swamp, Hillary lovers being out rigged, pedos being outed and deprived of prey, Open Border cartel backers afraid of losing money, and the assortment of nuts and sluts who are terrified of his rhetoric....which is basically meaningless because he's not going to back it up with actions.

I think there are a lot of people who hate Trump and a lot of the reasons are behind the scenes. But a lot of people are actually afraid he's GOING TO DO THE THINGS HE SAID HE'S GOING TO DO....and they want to stop that.
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This is interesting - I just realized that Barr was working at the CIA 1973-1977, during the SAME TIME his father Donald, hired Epstein, with no college degree or qualifications, at the exclusive Manhattan Dalton School, in 1974.

Obvious that Epstein was a CIA recruit being placed.
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This is not true though. Epstein was not hired by Barrs father. He was already gone by that time.
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Meaning the father was gone by that time.
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It appears that he was hired by Barr's father BEFORE he left. Epstein started work in Sept but was probably hired well in advance of that when Barr was still working there. You don't hire someone for a teaching job like that and have them start the next day....these things are done weeks, if not months in advance of a coming school year. He WAS hired by Donald Barr.
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There's one small thing I can't shake... If he's "bought & paid for" or merely a "puppet", then why do the elite hate him so much? That's the one piece of this cluster-f*ck of a puzzle that I can't place. It makes no sense. And it's not just for show. These people are physically repulsed by him. Why?
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I could see different reasons for this but the thing I've thought for some time is that there's been a war in the government between rival factions, and I think it boils down to NSA intel faction vs. CIA intel faction. These are criminal gangs hiding under an intel facade. I think they deal in all forms of trafficking - humans, drugs, arms- and money laundering and various other criminal behaviors. Lot of power/money involved, of course. Control of the USA and ability to sell it to the highest bidder....both sides want this.

I think it came to a head with Hillary's rise in 2015 as a serious candidate and probable victor. The system watches and nurtures - and blackmails/destroys - candidates possibly for decades. Hillary thought 2008 was gonna be hers (and why should it have been, she just rode up on her husband's coattails) but Bilderberg Council and the other internationals wanted Barack so they got her to stand down till 2016.

2015 rolls around and NSA faction decides they really don't want her because she's quite crazy (which she actually IS, it's not just us mocking her, she's actually insane) like one of the worst Roman emperors and they really don't want a nuclear war, LOLOLOL, which is what she'd probably do with Russia. Plus she's physically ill, and has a lot of blackmail material that those in power might not want to see her in a position to use fully, and she can't be trusted because she doesn't play well with others. She doesn't play with them at all - she just kills them. But CIA backs her because they are VERY VERY VERY anti-American and always have been. UnAmerican, anti-American and completely evil.

So NSA needs a rival candidate. They go to Trump who has been contemplating a run for years -maybe he actually HAS some beliefs he'd like to see about the US. I don't think he's completely evil, just messed up from being in the business he was in for so long. They recruit him for the run against Hillary, he's the only one big enough to take her down.

And he does. Plus I think they rigged the election FOR HIM. She was rigging TOO, but the NSA and their allies rigging worked better. So he "won".

All the people who supported Hillary are absolutely BULLSHIT because they KNOW it was just that they got OUTRIGGED. So they think Trump DID steal the election from them, literally. Of course....they were stealing it too! but that outrage at being outmanouevred has fueled them for 3 years.

Then other people are outraged because of things he's said that they actually take seriously - esp things about the BORDER. A lot of people are making TONS of money from illegal activities - TRAFFICKING - and profit from a basically OPEN BORDER. A lot of Dems, a lot of Repubs. So there's tons of hatred based on that. They fear losing massive income. Look at how DNC chairman Tom Perez is FUNDRAISING IN MEXICO. Who the hell is he getting money from? THE CARTELS.

Then another faction are people with a LOT TO HIDE, esp people who actually know Trump and know that HE KNOWS about their activities from knowing them personally. He KNOWS who abuse kids, drugs, etc. Maybe not details but he has a lot of inside track. So they are terrified of him. And the pedos are afraid he's going to cut down on their supply and expose them. AND HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE THAT - to his credit. He hasn't done much exposure, not at the top levels, and he WON'T....but I think he has cut down on supply.

The Gay Mafia in particular, hate him because so many of them party and abuse teenage (and sometimes younger) boys. So they are fanatical against hating him because that's a major thing they do. I KNOW THIS. That's why so many gays hate him.

Then there are groups like the Satanists and Luciferians who are afraid they're going to be driven back into the broom closet and deprived of human sacrifices ala abortions.

I haven't even mentioned the actual Communists who just hate America and he's become a lightening rod for that.


Sorry to be long, but it's basically a perfect storm of the war in the DeepState/Swamp, Hillary lovers being out rigged, pedos being outed and deprived of prey, Open Border cartel backers afraid of losing money, and the assortment of nuts and sluts who are terrified of his rhetoric....which is basically meaningless because he's not going to back it up with actions.

I think there are a lot of people who hate Trump and a lot of the reasons are behind the scenes. But a lot of people are actually afraid he's GOING TO DO THE THINGS HE SAID HE'S GOING TO DO....and they want to stop that.
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I have to know where/how you came up with this assessment. It's brilliant in its simplicity. I don't know why I never considered having TWO major deepstate factions vying for position. I guess after a while I just started lumping them all together as the "bad guys". I still hold out hope for Trump to be who/what he claims to be. What else is there? But unfortunately, with the revelations re Barr, I'm finding it harder & harder to swallow. Like you said, the one positive out of all of this is, Sessions included, they've taken down a lot of pedophiles. Worse case, at least there's that. Still, deserves saying again, brilliant assessment & I'd love to know how you came to such a conclusion.
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There's one small thing I can't shake... If he's "bought & paid for" or merely a "puppet", then why do the elite hate him so much? That's the one piece of this cluster-f*ck of a puzzle that I can't place. It makes no sense. And it's not just for show. These people are physically repulsed by him. Why?
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I could see different reasons for this but the thing I've thought for some time is that there's been a war in the government between rival factions, and I think it boils down to NSA intel faction vs. CIA intel faction. These are criminal gangs hiding under an intel facade. I think they deal in all forms of trafficking - humans, drugs, arms- and money laundering and various other criminal behaviors. Lot of power/money involved, of course. Control of the USA and ability to sell it to the highest bidder....both sides want this.

I think it came to a head with Hillary's rise in 2015 as a serious candidate and probable victor. The system watches and nurtures - and blackmails/destroys - candidates possibly for decades. Hillary thought 2008 was gonna be hers (and why should it have been, she just rode up on her husband's coattails) but Bilderberg Council and the other internationals wanted Barack so they got her to stand down till 2016.

2015 rolls around and NSA faction decides they really don't want her because she's quite crazy (which she actually IS, it's not just us mocking her, she's actually insane) like one of the worst Roman emperors and they really don't want a nuclear war, LOLOLOL, which is what she'd probably do with Russia. Plus she's physically ill, and has a lot of blackmail material that those in power might not want to see her in a position to use fully, and she can't be trusted because she doesn't play well with others. She doesn't play with them at all - she just kills them. But CIA backs her because they are VERY VERY VERY anti-American and always have been. UnAmerican, anti-American and completely evil.

So NSA needs a rival candidate. They go to Trump who has been contemplating a run for years -maybe he actually HAS some beliefs he'd like to see about the US. I don't think he's completely evil, just messed up from being in the business he was in for so long. They recruit him for the run against Hillary, he's the only one big enough to take her down.

And he does. Plus I think they rigged the election FOR HIM. She was rigging TOO, but the NSA and their allies rigging worked better. So he "won".

All the people who supported Hillary are absolutely BULLSHIT because they KNOW it was just that they got OUTRIGGED. So they think Trump DID steal the election from them, literally. Of course....they were stealing it too! but that outrage at being outmanouevred has fueled them for 3 years.

Then other people are outraged because of things he's said that they actually take seriously - esp things about the BORDER. A lot of people are making TONS of money from illegal activities - TRAFFICKING - and profit from a basically OPEN BORDER. A lot of Dems, a lot of Repubs. So there's tons of hatred based on that. They fear losing massive income. Look at how DNC chairman Tom Perez is FUNDRAISING IN MEXICO. Who the hell is he getting money from? THE CARTELS.

Then another faction are people with a LOT TO HIDE, esp people who actually know Trump and know that HE KNOWS about their activities from knowing them personally. He KNOWS who abuse kids, drugs, etc. Maybe not details but he has a lot of inside track. So they are terrified of him. And the pedos are afraid he's going to cut down on their supply and expose them. AND HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE THAT - to his credit. He hasn't done much exposure, not at the top levels, and he WON'T....but I think he has cut down on supply.

The Gay Mafia in particular, hate him because so many of them party and abuse teenage (and sometimes younger) boys. So they are fanatical against hating him because that's a major thing they do. I KNOW THIS. That's why so many gays hate him.

Then there are groups like the Satanists and Luciferians who are afraid they're going to be driven back into the broom closet and deprived of human sacrifices ala abortions.

I haven't even mentioned the actual Communists who just hate America and he's become a lightening rod for that.


Sorry to be long, but it's basically a perfect storm of the war in the DeepState/Swamp, Hillary lovers being out rigged, pedos being outed and deprived of prey, Open Border cartel backers afraid of losing money, and the assortment of nuts and sluts who are terrified of his rhetoric....which is basically meaningless because he's not going to back it up with actions.

I think there are a lot of people who hate Trump and a lot of the reasons are behind the scenes. But a lot of people are actually afraid he's GOING TO DO THE THINGS HE SAID HE'S GOING TO DO....and they want to stop that.
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I have to know where/how you came up with this assessment. It's brilliant in its simplicity. I don't know why I never considered having TWO major deepstate factions vying for position. I guess after a while I just started lumping them all together as the "bad guys". I still hold out hope for Trump to be who/what he claims to be. What else is there? But unfortunately, with the revelations re Barr, I'm finding it harder & harder to swallow. Like you said, the one positive out of all of this is, Sessions included, they've taken down a lot of pedophiles. Worse case, at least there's that. Still, deserves saying again, brilliant assessment & I'd love to know how you came to such a conclusion.
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Thank you so much for your kind remarks! Analysis has always been my strong point, it's what I did on projects in academia and other institutions.

Actually I think Q actually helped me to start formulating these ideas because it was obvious to me from reading his posts that he was a PRO NSA and ANTI-CIA person or team (I think it's a team). So once I started thinking about how much NSA and CIA are rivals and really kind of hate each other (and they do), it put my thoughts in that direction. The rest just grew over time as I watched Trump, and his actions along with his opponents. I may not be right, of course, or maybe part right, who knows, but it's the impression I keep getting of a war in the govt itself over spoils and I think it comes down to 2 major factions. There may be minor factions as well too.

I think the Democrat/Republican parties are mainly a facade. They probably work out scripts for themselves months, if not years, in advance, so they can pretend they're really at odds. How it works in practice is, the Democrats are the active party and the Repubs are the re-actors. They're all fake. I think most of of the news media are fake too - mostly actors reading prepared scripts and scenarios. I never listen to what they say, it's all nonsense - I watch what they ultimately DO, which is how you know what they're really about.

The real nature of the government, to me, is that these are CRIME FAMILIES, like in The Godfather (but all kinds of ethnic groups, of course) working together at times or fighting each other for control, money - just like in The Godfather. They hide under different facades, like racial identities, or SJW politics but.....they're really just another Mafia. They do have a common enemy though....which is US.





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