The Rapture and the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

Youve been around glp awhile so dont want to be dismissive...bit you believe this??

How did you verify this info?

Ezekiel 22 hasn't been fullfilled yet has it?

Ezekiel 22 King James Version (KJV)
22 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations.
3 Then say thou, Thus saith the Lord God, The city sheddeth blood in the midst of it, that her time may come, and maketh idols against herself to defile herself.
4 Thou art become guilty in thy blood that thou hast shed; and hast defiled thyself in thine idols which thou hast made; and thou hast caused thy days to draw near, and art come even unto thy years: therefore have I made thee a reproach unto the heathen, and a mocking to all countries.
5 Those that be near, and those that be far from thee, shall mock thee, which art infamous and much vexed.
6 Behold, the princes of Israel, every one were in thee to their power to shed blood.
7 In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.
8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.
9 In thee are men that carry tales to shed blood: and in thee they eat upon the mountains: in the midst of thee they commit lewdness.
10 In thee have they discovered their fathers' nakedness: in thee have they humbled her that was set apart for pollution.
11 And one hath committed abomination with his neighbour's wife; and another hath lewdly defiled his daughter in law; and another in thee hath humbled his sister, his father's daughter.
12 In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord God.
13 Behold, therefore I have smitten mine hand at thy dishonest gain which thou hast made, and at thy blood which hath been in the midst of thee.
14 Can thine heart endure, or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee? I the Lord have spoken it, and will do it.
15 And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.
16 And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in the sight of the heathen, and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
17 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
18 Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross: all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace; they are even the dross of silver.
19 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you.
21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst therof.
22 As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the Lord have poured out my fury upon you.
23 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.
25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof.
26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.
27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain.
28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.
29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.
30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.
31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord God.

Well you have to start searching. I don't know if you have a KJV bible or not, but you should make every effort to get one. In the meantime these Chick illustrated tracts are truthful and written in an interesting way.

For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

WHERE DID THEY GO?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

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LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

Study it long enough and it will make 100% sense.

It's intentionally hard (paraphrasing Christ), so the damned won't understand.

As the bride (Church) you should try and get to know the groom (Christ) which the bible says is his Word.

You can opt to blindly believe but the irony is that those who want proof won't look for it (pride goes before the fall)

true.

elections in Israel are sept. 17th I believe with Trump to unveil the political portion of his middle east "peace" deal within a few weeks.

lots of info about how broke the PLO is these days with US support money, and now Australian and New Zealand support money drying up; as well as the push from the avg. fakestinian to make a deal in order to get the "prosperity" promsised by Kushner when he unveiled the economic portion of the "deal".

the question is who will be the next prime minister? will netanyahou win and will he sign off on this deal? will it be someone else who will willingly sign off on the deal?

It seems to have been at least partly fullfilled.

The last I heard was that Trump will wait for a couple of weeks until after the election so as to give Israel time to form a new government. And then he will announce "The Deal of the Century".

Of course I have no way of knowing if this will be the case, they have been leading us on for many months about when this will happen. But when it does you can be sure that there will be huge trouble coming upon the earth. Not just to the USA, but I think to every country that supports this evil plan to divide the land that has been promised exclusively to the Jues.

yes, a few weeks after the elections. Just speculating, but I'd imagine this peace "deal" will include Israel giving up more land.

since they have been down the road of "land for peace" in the past, and have nothing to show for it, I'm wondering if this is when they will want something tangible for giving up land....such as the go ahead to build the 3rd temple.

Not before WW3 is triggered. They are all salivating all of a space. If nothing triggers, hard financial reset will.

Seriously?

This thread AGAIN?

How many is this now, like 10,000?

Thread: For christians:The scriptural PROOF that the Rapture is AFTER the tribulation. NO "Basis" here..PROOF!

God has never pulled his people out before tribulations. He never pulled out Noah and sent him off to live someplace else while the world went to hell in a handbasket. He never did it with Lot. He left lot in Sodom and Gomorrah to the very evening it was destroyed. Same for the Israelites in Egypt, the Christians in Rome, etc. etc. etc.

We go through what everyone else does. Only the very final judgement do we escape, maybe, in some cases. That's the way he has always worked. There is no reason to expect he will do anything any different now.

There will be a rapture, but you better prepare for it being on the last day, not the first.

Same way..Israelites is a fabricated cover story for a Babilonian psychological warfare operation ...
against the poor cousin of the King of babilonia....the king of Egypt...
they have been imprinted that they are a different superior race
thru ritual sexual abuse by the sumerian/Assyrian/Babilonian priests

(king david solomon the exodus the 1st temple, the Babylonian captivity and anything before it, are an historical fake )

|There is nowhere any mention of a "rapture". "Rapture" is nowhere in the bible. There is what the bible calls being "caught up" into the clouds.


1 Thessolonians 4[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

That's just your unbiblical opinion. Quite apart from which you cannot even guarantee your next breath, so if you should die suddenly you will either be dead in Christ...or not dead in Christ. Do you really want to spend the rest of eternity blaming yourself for your foolishness?

It is at the last trump which is biblical.

1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Here is the 7 and last trumpet.

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"


Before the 5th, 6th and 7th trumpets an angel announces the last 3 trumpets.


Rev 8:13 And I looked, and I heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, "Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!"


The 7th trump is the last trump that Paul is talking about in 1Co 15:52. This is the harpazo/rapture.

You are mentally retarded.

2 Tim 3:16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What is your interpretation for last trump when Revelations explains the 7 trumpets? Do you believe the last trump is before the seven trumpets making it the first trump?

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/27/2019 09:48 AM

Harpazo (the event) is in the Bible and shows the Lord does indeed come for His own in "the clouds". Sorry agnostics and atheists.

It's hardly my fault that you ignore/dismiss/misrepresent what others and myself say.

As another poster just said..."Harpazo (the event) is in the Bible and shows the Lord does indeed come for His own in "the clouds". Sorry agnostics and atheists."

Last Edited by Judethz on 08/27/2019 09:51 AM

OP, can I persuade you to watch the Bible-based movie about the two witnesses?

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It very much addresses your subject.

My 2 cent... The rapture & "Jacob's Trouble" & God's "wrath", day of the Lord, day of Christ, are NOT all the same thing/day/event. We are not appointed unto wrath, this is correct, but Jesus himself said you'll face tribulation in this world. Tribulation - what the world does to you, Wrath - what God does to the world. Long story short, I'm a post trib rapture believer. If I'm wrong & He returns before the start of the tribulation then fantastic. Wonderful. If I'm right...

Very few dispute there is an event or harpazo. The difference is timing. The bible and Revelation says it is at the 7th trumpet or last trump. Paul says it is at the last trump. In order for there to be a last trump there must be first trump or even more than one trump like in Revelaion. Paul was not pre-trib.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/27/2019 10:18 AM

sorry but post trib is wrong. If it were true, then who would be left to go into the millennial kingdom to re-populate the Earth?

by the end of the tribulation of the few left on Earth, there will only be 2 groups:

goats---the ones who took the mark and who do not go into the millennial kingdom.

sheep--- those who did not take the mark because they came to the saving knowledge of Jesus.

we know that the Lords first order of business upon returning to Earth at the end of the tribulation period before setting up his millennial reign, is the sheep and goat judgement see Matthew 25 31-46.

the "goats" are judged and sent off to punishment, they are no longer on Earth....if the sheep are raptured at the end and the dead in christ resurrected, then who would be left to re-populate Earth for Christ's 1000 year reign?

Nobody.

we know that the resurrected and raptured will no longer procreate:


Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

if post-tribbers are correct, then who would be left to repopulate the Earth for Christ's millennial kingdom?

No the difference is that you are a servant of the devil and making out that the message that we must be ready

for the Rapture now is a thing of little importance. Well it's not and one of these days you are going to have to answer for these lies, unless you repent.


1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

1Cr 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

1Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.

1Cr 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Cr 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

The rapture is not a doctrine/belief that is salvific in and of itself. One does not lose the kingdom because of a failure to understand or believe at all in a rapture.

My concern is that there are otherwise good God fearing people on either side of the argument. So, what if there is no rapture pre or mid trib? Will those believers risk losing faith? I can certainly see that as a possibility.

I think any teaching of the rapture should include a disclaimer such as: Although we believe the Bible is clear in its teachings on this subject, there are those that believe in an alternate timing. This belief or the other (regarding timing) is not critical to your salvation. The belief in a risen Son of God is. His return is imminent, and it is certain. Our understanding of the timing is less certain.

That is pretty funny. You cannot even defend your own positions and resort to name calling. I see now, anything not from yourself is from the devil.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/27/2019 11:08 AM

In order to be changed in 1 Cr 15 you need to be resurrected. The tribulation saints go in the 1st resurrection and the whole context of 1 CR 15 is the 1st resurrection.


Rev 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/27/2019 11:09 AM

Harpazo is in the Bible, now the only real question is where do the sons and daughters of God "go with Jesus". How about to the Lamb's wedding feast in Heaven and then they return with the Lord at His second coming to Mt. Olive.